Chapter Tower of God Chapter 530 Spoilers & Discussion

[Cinera]

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Tower Of God Chapter 530 - Alpha Scans

Bam, who was alone all his life has entered the tower to chase after his only friend, Rachel, but how will he survive without having any special strength or power?“What do you desire? Money and wealth? Honor and pride? Authority and power? Revenge? Or something that transcends them all? Whatever...

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[PGT]

Welp, playing devil's advocate here but we don't know what growth looked like for the family heads post hidden floor. We know that the family heads were also more skilled than even post hidden floor bam... I'd make the point that bam sort of overcame zahard because he could keep growing stronger even during the fight, unlike data zahard who was frozen. And there's a good chance that they just picked up stuff as they climbed the tower as well. Hana at least picked up the power of a fire native one... And we don't know what zahard's red tentacles are about.

Add to that it sounds pretty improbable that bam could strike at traumerei right now even if he collects the power within the suspendium Assuming this ominous looking thing is something bam even sticks with. It's also worth noting that while traumerei couldn't subjugate whatever this thing is, it doesn't mean it actually has the power to stand up to a family head. WW could also resist domination and he was still worthless to one. There's a lot of wiggle room in there of course but this thing ended up sealed within traumerei's warehouse for however many reasons and at least one of them is probably that it lost to at least one family head. And as absurd as bam is he will probably need at least some time to attain any degree of competency with this new power. Also, knowing how SIU handles bam I'd guess that what we can look forward to for bam this arc is for him to vaguely stall traumerei at the most. A baby step which story wise can be played as the adamantium thrones upon which the great warriors sit being shaken for the first time in the tower's history. Of course, SIU could do a line of cocaine and have bam straight up meaningfully injure traumerei but that still sounds a bit too much for me. The family heads aren't just unfathomably powerful, they are unfathomably skilled in all fields of shinsoo... And bam usually suffers from his skill not matching up to his power.

I'll play God's advocate and argue that Eduan and Zahard represent the top of the GW strength/combat, they sit on the stronger end of the spectrum, Zahard obviously being the strongest of all of them (not factoring V here) and Eduan not falling much behind. I think Baam would do better against a HF Rei or Gustang simply because they're not on the top of the FH strength list. So, more or less firepower and/or skill, him matching a Jahad that can't grow during the battle and isn't even using his entire arsenal* (he didn't use that red tentacles thing) is still a strong indicator that he's matched with the GW as a whole, even if below their top dogs

*: Zahard is probably the strongest of them even without those hax, that's what makes him be the wielder of those haxes in the first place, so he not using them would make his strength be more similar to that of his companions, thus giving us a fairer view of how a GW at that point would perform

And also argue that although they certainly picked stuff along their journey they probably didn't pick as much as Baam did, does and will, both in quantity and quality. Thorns, Thryssas, souls, sealed creature, transformation, we almost can't have a plot point with Baam without him getting a power up

About him duking out with Rei in the Nest is another matter entirely and although I think it's too soon for that to happen the entire narrative is pushing towards it happening and being more than just barely surviving a sparring with Rei

 

[Arjuna]

But... my post didn't say that bam wouldn't fight traumerei. My post was more about how much bam could potentially achieve here. Context wise bam lasting a non zero amount of time against traumerei should pretty much clear whatever expectations the trifles could imagine. Since the trifles can't conceivably achieve more than that.

Baam has huge foreshadowing literally for a quite few chapters.He should at least deal considerable damage to shock Traumerai.

Aso Maschenny herself probably doesn't understand the true extent of Baam's power.I think she is trying to figure it out.

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I don't think he found his true self now but his potential and growth is solidly above that of the GW

His growth per year and per floor is probably unmatched. He started as weak as one can be on floor 1 and reached somewhat parity with the GW on floor 43. Now his highest floor reached is below 55 (I'm using loose numbers because I don't remember them exactly and am too lazy to search it) and since Last Station it has been less than three years. He can definitely fight at ~CC level and in the next chapters probably even higher with the extremely powerful creature he's unsealing

No way the GW reached anywhere close that strength on the mid fifties floors, they probably not even climbed that fast, so even that isn't weighing on their side. Had they climbed faster than Baam it could be argued that Baam's superior growth is partially because he's taking more time at each floor to build his strength while the GW rushed more to the top. But that's probably not the case, Urek is known for speedrunning the Tower in 50 years and Baam's speedrun is at that order of magnitude

We are in 50th Floor where Nest is located.

 

[kkck]

No it wouldn't.

The Voice explicitly wants Traumerei to defeat Baam. Not stall Baam, but to "drag Traumerei down into the abyss".

Maschenny wants Baam to become a vast wave of anger like the Tower has never seen before:

What she expects of him is something unprecedented in the Tower. Something that no one has ever done before.

But the trifles aren't measuring Baam by their standards. Maschenny is comparing Baam to her Father (not herself):

So this argument doesn't work at all.

Both Maschenny and the Voice are fully aware that Baam is in fact an Irregular.

The voice definitely wants traumerei dead but the plot, it or mascheny do not necessarily require that this happen immediately. Setting aside that we don't have a clue regarding what traumerei wants with bam (which might be anything in between wanting a new friend and killing bam) and that bam wanting to kill traumerei as of now is a stretch regardless of what mascheny or the voice want (though this could change), pretty much everyone's needs are satisfied by bam showing any sign whatsoever that that the adamantium thrones upon which the great warriors seat can be threatened.

 

[Aliblack]

There is another reason that the voice does not give Bam a great chance to take down Tra-O. If it’s too powerful at first, it will be a hindrance to the growth of other powers inside Bam. Bam won’t use them much because it has a greater weapon in his arsenal. They should grow together gradually.

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So does that mean Baam didn't go through true evolution this whole time and just find his true self now ?

If I remember rightly, SIU said in one of his blogs that thorns burst in power in some situations. You saw it when he saw Rachel. Whenever he's in unstable and dangerous conditions, powers inside help him.

 

[Arjuna]

There is another reason that the voice does not give Bam a great chance to take down Tra-O. If it’s too powerful at first, it will be a hindrance to the growth of other powers inside Bam. Bam won’t use them much because it has a greater weapon in his arsenal. They should grow together gradually.

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If I remember rightly, SIU said in one of his blogs that thorns burst in power in some situations. You saw it when he saw Rachel. Whenever he's in unstable and dangerous conditions, powers inside him help him.

Or maybe in this situation only he uses it fully but in other situations in future he will use it sparingly.

 

[Aliblack]

Or maybe in this situation only he uses it fully but in other situations in future he will use it sparingly.

It looks like there is a factor of unconscious having a role here. Not saying he doesn't have any control here but some of it is unconscious. Bam keeps saying that he can't take down opponents much stronger than him and suddenly he turns the tables on them. So there should be at least two factors involved here: 1- he doesn't realize his potential and 2- he doesn't know much about those powers. I think this is the reason his power is hard to measure. Depending on the situation, he can vastly change.

 

[Cinera]

The voice definitely wants traumerei dead but the plot, it or mascheny do not necessarily require that this happen immediately. Setting aside that we don't have a clue regarding what traumerei wants with bam (which might be anything in between wanting a new friend and killing bam) and that bam wanting to kill traumerei as of now is a stretch regardless of what mascheny or the voice want (though this could change), pretty much everyone's needs are satisfied by bam showing any sign whatsoever that that the adamantium thrones upon which the great warriors seat can be threatened.

Have you not asked yourself why Maschenny sent Jinsung in particular to fight against the Lo Po Bia?

My best guess is that she's setting up a scenario where Jinsung may have to face Traumerei when he comes for Baam. Traumerei killing or mortally wounding Jinsung would give Baam ample motivation to want him dead.

There is another reason that the voice does not give Bam a great chance to take down Tra-O. If it’s too powerful at first, it will be a hindrance to the growth of other powers inside Bam. Bam won’t use them much because it has a greater weapon in his arsenal. They should grow together gradually.

The Voice wants to drag Traumerei down into the Abyss. So it may grant Baam all of its power in this one situation.

Think of how the Kyubi was for Naruto. It was a considerable power he had, but not one that he could fully wield at any time he pleased.

So, more or less firepower and/or skill, him matching a Jahad that can't grow during the battle and isn't even using his entire arsenal* (he didn't use that red tentacles thing) is still a strong indicator that he's matched with the GW as a whole, even if below their top dogs

*: Zahard is probably the strongest of them even without those hax, that's what makes him be the wielder of those haxes in the first place, so he not using them would make his strength be more similar to that of his companions, thus giving us a fairer view of how a GW at that point would perform

Data Zahard may simply not have been capable of using the Red Tentacles.

Furthermore, Adult Zahard's Red Tentacles were negged by the Buggy Urek (who was weaker than Data Zahard and Data Eduan), so I am very unimpressed by them.

 

[Arjuna]

It looks like there is a factor of unconscious having a role here. Not saying he doesn't have any control here but some of it is unconscious. Bam keeps saying that he can't take down opponents much stronger than him and suddenly he turns the tables on them. So there should be at least two factors involved here: 1- he doesn't realize his potential and 2- he doesn't know much about those powers. I think this is the reason his power is hard to measure. Depending on the situation, he can vastly change.

Agreed neither Baam is aware of his potential nor does he know about those powers fully.But this situation is different.He is facing a Family Head,he not only needs to save himself but also his friends from being killed by Traumerai.So i think the logical thing is he should get full power of the being in the suspendium.

 

[sazon]

Oh just another thing I am curious is how strong will Baam become after this powerup,there are three possibilities


1) He becomes strong enough to escape from the nest.

2)He actually gives a good fight heavily injures Traumerai and escapes.


3) He kills Traumerai.

Now if either of 2 or 3 happens then yeah there will be very few tower born individuals who can even give a good fight to Baam after the best arc.Maybe he will only fight Family Heads then in a serious fight.

After the fight with White, there shouldn't be anyone in the nest besides Rei who could fight Baam.

Add that to a possible monstrous shinheuh that not even the biggest anima in the tower can tame.

And maybe we have the 3rd thorn fragment here.

Traumerei might actually end up seeing the abyss at the end of this arc.

 

[Aliblack]

The Voice wants to drag Traumerei down into the Abyss. So it may grant Baam all of its power in this one situation.

Think of how the Kyubi was for Naruto. It was a considerable power he had, but not one that he could fully wield at any time he pleased.

I'm saying that like ancient powers, it might not be able to give its full power to Bam. I think it will help him greatly in escaping but taking down Tra-O is unlikely to me. It won't disrupt the balance of Bam's powers. Whenever Bam has gained a new power, he hasn't used them to their maximum potential. Unless proved otherwise, I expect that this will be true in this case, too.

There is another factor that we don't know yet. The real identity of that voice. What kind of power is it exactly? Shinheuh or something else?

 

[Arjuna]

After the fight with White, there shouldn't be anyone in the nest besides Rei who could fight Baam.

Add that to a possible monstrous shinheuh that not even the biggest anima in the tower can tame.

And maybe we have the 3rd thorn fragment here.

Traumerei might actually end up seeing the abyss at the end of this arc.

I was actually talking about post Nest Arc though.About what kind of opponents he will face in future.

 

[sazon]

The topic that people really debate recently has been about if non irregular can reach irregular height but what is funny is that before it was about Baam power level .

People before this arc used to believe Baam wasn't even a bottom tier HR and there were those who also believe Baam wouldn't beat Kallavan .

What is funny is that the power in this arc has been so ridiculous , that someone who can fight Kallavan was nearly foderrize and that now people are confortable speaking about Baam injuring or defeating someone in the top 20 - 30 .

But wasn't that the reason for the whole rotten "dark change" arc?

 

[Aliblack]

So i think the logical thing is he should get full power of the being in the suspendium.

The question is he can wield the whole power? It will have irreversible consequences for the story. Whenever he and his friends are in great danger, even they are against, for example, Eduan he will use the full potential of his powers. And you know how broken his powers are.

 

[Arjuna]

The question is he can wield the whole power? It will have irreversible consequences for the story. Whenever he and his friends are in great danger, even they are against, for example, Eduan he will use the full potential of his powers. And you know how broken his powers are.

He may use it like how Gilgamesh uses Enuma Elish in Fate Series,only against worthy opponents.

 

[sazon]

In a single arc he went from beating a a weak ranker , from foderizing a top 100 ranker , and there may even be something with Rei .

That is some power creep .

But what do you expect? The moment Baam came out of the revolution his whole scale of power got out of control, so it's not absurd.

With the help of EVK, he revamped his base, learned to use his best form of shinsoo properly, and even gained battlefield experience. With Doom he gained the mimesis that helped him better understand his inner powers, the only thing Baam lacked was potency, which he got when he learned to burn souls and maybe that even influenced the way he draws power from " Sun".

All he needed was balls.

 

[kkck]

I'll play God's advocate and argue that Eduan and Zahard represent the top of the GW strength/combat, they sit on the stronger end of the spectrum, Zahard obviously being the strongest of all of them (not factoring V here) and Eduan not falling much behind. I think Baam would do better against a HF Rei or Gustang simply because they're not on the top of the FH strength list. So, more or less firepower and/or skill, him matching a Jahad that can't grow during the battle and isn't even using his entire arsenal* (he didn't use that red tentacles thing) is still a strong indicator that he's matched with the GW as a whole, even if below their top dogs

*: Zahard is probably the strongest of them even without those hax, that's what makes him be the wielder of those haxes in the first place, so he not using them would make his strength be more similar to that of his companions, thus giving us a fairer view of how a GW at that point would perform

And also argue that although they certainly picked stuff along their journey they probably didn't pick as much as Baam did, does and will, both in quantity and quality. Thorns, Thryssas, souls, sealed creature, transformation, we almost can't have a plot point with Baam without him getting a power up

About him duking out with Rei in the Nest is another matter entirely and although I think it's too soon for that to happen the entire narrative is pushing towards it happening and being more than just barely surviving a sparring with Rei

Welp, hon is probably but stronger than eduan. Arie swordsmanship is still the strongest style in the tower. Regarding bam vs HF traumerei... Who knows? matchups do matter a bit and it really depends on which pokemon traumerei has and how many he can release on bam. To me it feels like traumerei is among the mightier family heads mostly because his skills seem to concern combat. Anima, an apparent green needle shinsoo attribute... His descendants also exhibit high degrees of competency in a multitude of areas just in general.

Oh, bam and traumerei are definitely meeting.

 

[Aliblack]

He may use it like how Gilgamesh uses Enuma Elish in Fate Series,only against worthy opponents.

Well, where would be the role of his training and his efforts to improve himself? Wouldn't that make it a boring journey? Bam might even do not need new powers but how to use them.

 

[kkck]

Have you not asked yourself why Maschenny sent Jinsung in particular to fight against the Lo Po Bia?

My best guess is that she's setting up a scenario where Jinsung may have to face Traumerei when he comes for Baam. Traumerei killing or mortally wounding Jinsung would give Baam ample motivation to want him dead.

Agreed, if that happens bam will definitely want his revenge. Though that has little bearing on my previous posts. Even if bam picks up whichever reason to want revenge on traumerei that's still a far cry from the plot requiring bam to end or maim a family head right now.

 

[sazon]

There is another reason that the voice does not give Bam a great chance to take down Tra-O. If it’s too powerful at first, it will be a hindrance to the growth of other powers inside Bam. Bam won’t use them much because it has a greater weapon in his arsenal. They should grow together gradually

This would make sense if baam's PUs weren't forgotten after an arc or two.

 

[Arjuna]

Well, where would be the role of his training and his efforts to improve himself? Wouldn't that make it a boring journey? Bam might even do not need new powers but how to use them.

Look this may happen that this power may have certain side-effects, let's say he becomes Berserk and loses control of himself or he suffers from injuries at first etc etc.We don't know what SIU has planned.


But let's say it happens i doubt the author will focus much on actually climbing the Tower and more on all the events happening.


Let's be honest Baam has been hyped about bringing Traumerai down to the abyss,it must lead to something.