Chapter Tower of God Chapter 530 Spoilers & Discussion

[Cinera]

@Demonspeed, @Lady pompom: please pin.

 

[Jyu viole grace]

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Translated chapter (by alpha scans)---

Tower Of God Chapter 530 - Alpha Scans

Bam, who was alone all his life has entered the tower to chase after his only friend, Rachel, but how will he survive without having any special strength or power?“What do you desire? Money and wealth? Honor and pride? Authority and power? Revenge? Or something that transcends them all? Whatever...

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[sazon]

I was actually talking about post Nest Arc though.About what kind of opponents he will face in future.

In the past SIU said that at some point there would be big time skips, probably after the nest we will have that.

We may be getting closer to fighting Zahard than we think.

 

[Arjuna]

In the past SIU said that at some point there would be big time skips, probably after the nest we will have that.

We may be getting closer to fighting Zahard than we think.

I also expect some big timeskips too.

 

[sazon]

Without a shadow of a doubt, Baam's growth rate is higher than that of 13GW, even because him needs to compensate for the millennium difference here.

 

[Aliblack]

This would make sense if baam's PUs weren't forgotten after an arc or two.

I wonder how many he will have at the end of the story.

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Let's be honest Baam has been hyped about bringing Traumerai down to the abyss,it must lead to something.

I expect, too, he will show something against Tra-O but I don't think it would on the level of taking him down. And let's not forget the role of Sufia here. They will barely escape death. If SIU is not afraid of killing characters, many of them should die in this arc.

 

[Cinera]

After the fight with White, there shouldn't be anyone in the nest besides Rei who could fight Baam.

This is overrating White.

And Maschenny (who) by all indications should have seen Baam's fight with White told Baam that as he was too weak to join hands with her.

I'm saying that like ancient powers, it might not be able to give its full power to Bam. I think it will help him greatly in escaping but taking down Tra-O is unlikely to me. It won't disrupt the balance of Bam's powers. Whenever Bam has gained a new power, he hasn't used them to their maximum potential. Unless proved otherwise, I expect that this will be true in this case, too.

There is another factor that we don't know yet. The real identity of that voice. What kind of power is it exactly? Shinheuh or something else?

But the Voice wants to take down Traumerei. It would do its best to help Baam in that venture.

Though I also think that it's too early for Traumerei to fall.

 

[Aliblack]

Saving Jinsung and escaping will be a huge blow on the Zahard empire and 10 families. A family head and Zahard army couldn't capture the main culprit and lose to their old enemy.

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But the Voice wants to take down Traumerei. It would do its best to help Baam in that venture.

Yeah, I agree that he will help him as best as he can. Acrinak will show himself, too.

 

[Arjuna]

I wonder how many he will have at the end of the story.

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I expect, too, he will show something against Tra-O but I don't think it would on the level of taking him down. And let's not forget the role of Sufia here. They will barely escape death. If SIU is not afraid of killing characters, many of them should die in this arc.

I am expecting him to damage Rei and escape with Sofia's help.

Though SIU may have something else in store.

 

[Aliblack]

I am expecting him to damage Rei and escape with Sofia's help.

Though SIU may have something else in store.

In theory, damaging should not be a problem, honestly. When he was weak as fk, he injured Urek.

 

[Jubei_Kibagami]

Beast≠creature
these are 2 different terms

According to who exactly? Beasts are in fact creatures.

BEAST Definition & Meaning | Dictionary.com

BEAST definition: any nonhuman animal, especially a large, four-footed mammal. See examples of beast used in a sentence.

www.dictionary.com

"1. any nonhuman animal, especially a large, four-footed mammal.
2. the crude animal nature common to humans and the lower animals:Hunger brought out the beast in him.
3. a cruel, coarse, filthy, or otherwise beastlike person.
4. a live creature, as distinguished from a plant:What manner of beast is this?"

Not off to a good start, and semantics' games are exceedingly boring.

=The wikis don't classify them that way they classify them in "Species in Tower" they are in a different category from shinheuh which are in the subcategory "Shinheuh"

Wrong again. BTW, why are you arguing against this anyways? Are you in such denial that you can't accept the 'thing' in the seal can't possibly be a native or other ancient - which, by the way, present as beastly creatures(!). What exactly do you think "species" is in reference to anyways! It is the KIND or SORT of beast or creature in referencing format. A giant cat shinheuh is a different SPECIES from a giant fish shinheuh, and yet both are shinheuh as creatures or beasts of the tower. FFS, man.

Shinheuh

Shinheuh (신해어 (神海魚) sinhaeeo,[1] literally "Divine Sea Fish" or "Divine Sea Aquatic Animal") refers to the various creatures encountered in the Tower. While the literal translation does mean "aquatic animal", because shinsu itself means "divine water", the term actually refers to any animal that...

towerofgod.fandom.com

"Shinheuh (신해어 (神海魚) sinhaeeo[1], literally "Divine Sea Fish" or "Divine Sea Aquatic Animal") refers to the various creatures encountered in the Tower."

Fiery Elephant

Fiery Elephant (name unknown) is a giant ancient creature that chose Evankhell as it's host. The ancient creature has a form that resembles a giant red humanoid elephant with two hands. It looks like a fiery Ganesha. It is sentient, it has personality and can talk to its host, Evankhell. The...

towerofgod.fandom.com

"Fiery Elephant (name unknown) is a giant ancient creature[2] that chose Evankhell as it's host.[1]" (the same definition is listed in the Wood Minotaur wiki as well, referencing it as an ancient creature)

So, yes in fact, right or wrong the wiki does in fact classify the ancient beasts as CREATURES - the same as shinheuh are called, CREATURES. Because, they are, very obviously both just that - CREATURES.

Further, listed and shown in the "known shinheuhs" section of the wiki are, among others:

- Fiery Elephant (an ancient, Native One power)
- Wood Minotaur (same as above)
- "Legendary Giant of the Tower" (i.e., the OG Native One, a literal giant. Here's an excerpt from the Cambridge definition of a 'giant': "an imaginary creature like a man but extremely tall, strong, and usually very cruel, appearing especially in children's stories"
- "Unnamed Ancient Monster" (one of the ancient monsters shown to have the ability to respawn unless sealed. BTW, 'monster' definition: "an imaginary creature that is typically large, ugly, and frightening."

Again, at least the wiki has classified them as TYPES of shinheuh (being tower creatures). And further, defines all the following as creatures: from the generic shinheuh definition (posted above) to the ancient powers (posted above) to the Native One itself to the ancient reincarnating monster. All creatures and/or beasts in the tower.

End of story.

The only time this is contradicted is when EVK's elephant is classified as a shinheuh (which seems to be a mistake as they call the elephant a creature when their own sources classify it as an ancient species) for no reason

LOL, a "species" as you put it references what KIND of beast/creature. Saying something is a species doesn't mean it isn't a beast or a creature, it's merely a reference to a classification of such kind/type of creature. You're trying to force an arbitrary distinction using semantics but that doesn't even match up with the given definitions of each, and so doesn't even work from a semantics' perspective.

Not only that, but as shown above this isn't "the only time" - and it isn't a contradiction definitively either. The classifications have been extremely consistent, as have the definitions of each.

and there is also this:

that comparison comes out of nowhere. The ancients are not shinneuh and conversely the shinheuh are not ancients. they are two different things.

- all squares are rectangles (by definition), not all rectangles are squares
- all ancients are shinheuh (by definition), not all shinheuh are ancients

One is a subset of the other. That doesn't make them definitively incompatible. Get it?

You keep talking about him when he hasn't done anything impressive against an FH, talking about him is useless

I 'keep talking about him' because it was painfully, obviously shown that he wasn't "impressive" only due to his host, and not his own inherent capabilities, which are in fact impossible for you or I or anyone but what is in SIU's head to know at this point. As such, talking about him in relation to other ancients that may or may not have similar handicaps is pertinent. There is NO takeaway from a power-leveling perspective with his fight against Rei. The only fact we can glean from it is that a stronger host would mean, per Acrinak, he'd be able to have a stronger showing. How much stronger, well we don't know!




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uh no a fact, did you forget about EVK's flashabck when she was talking to her elephant.It's not debatable they can die they can be killed

Acrinak is not a shinheuh, the ancient monster is a shinheuh, invalid comparison, example rejected


that's why we make assumptions and dispute

Have you played any pokemon games lately?
This is serious. I'm going to put pokemon arceus aside for now, and concentrate on the old games.
What you are proposing is normally not possible.
- You can't be beaten for not being strong enough, especially when your pokemon levels are normally higher than the average pokemon in the area (from the start your starter is at level 5 so stronger than the overwhelming majority of the pokemon in the area at the beginning of the game). You can have special areas where there are pokemon that are massively stronger than the average of your team (but even then you can beat them and capture them if you play correctly).
example:
The player comes across a gyrados lvl 96. I'll tell you right now he could have beaten it without losing the lucario if he had the right attacks and he still lost one pokemon out of 6, it's nothing

-If you do your best against the opposing pokemon and still lose you suck (sorry but if a wild pokemon succeeds in 1v6 your team then you just suck there is no other word)

- "tell that to someone just starting the game and going after one that's fully-evolved, GTFOOH" this is not possible in any old game (the only thing that comes "close" to this is sword and shield where you run into the legendaries at the beginning of the game and get beaten up but it's normal, it's scripted)
The only game where this is possible is in Arceus and the player doesn't just stumble upon them by chance, he decides to go there and fight his pokemon on his own (who are clearly above him) so he deserves what happens to him.
So again, it's the indulgence that makes you fail to capture a pokemon: the indulgence of not doing XP your pokemon when you're supposed to. If you're struggling, it's your fault and your fault alone.

We' re not arguing for the sake of arguing, you' re making an inaccurate analogy and I' m explaining why your analogy is wrong.


Proof? You haven't provided any of this.

every time i make a statement i base it on a piece of information
I extrapolate from what I've been told or shown.
Yes with that I think my assumptions are valid by default and have priority over hypotheses that are not based on anything(I don't aim at you, for you everything seems to be an attack for you so I repeat I don't aim at you) . as any hypothesis with more proof than mine will have priority over mine (isn't that how it works?)

- yes I said "possible" not "probable" they are 2 different terms. something probable is necessarily possible something possible is not necessarily probable.



Dude, that was just a comment on Kallavan vs Jinsung. Chill was not an argument

Okay, and you have proof that he is wrong?
I know sometimes that words and deeds don't add up, but I don't remember that applying to Traum. there has to be a contradiction, the reason why the bug is locked up and not killed is unknown, so there is no contradiction yet with his statement.

1: acrinak dissipated like a fog Traum had no way to check.
2: why would he check if he could? If you want to confirm a death, you really want to make sure it's a death. Traum doesn't care about Acrinak he would have no reason to check even if he could.
3: We still don't know who took the initiative to capture Acrinak

1: Is it supposed to be impressive?
2: we don't even know why Zahard wanted to go there (he didn't even bother to come in person)
Yeah he's a common trifle
It is you who think that the FH say this to humiliate the Towerborn.

you know that the perception of value does not work that way.
just because you can't get the value of something doesn't mean it has no value. this doesn't contradict what i said

Okay, so what? I'm talking specifically about his line about the value of things.
the example you gave is proven wrong
the sentence about value is still not proven false.
So it is still valid. Until proven otherwise

-we know that beings like Acrinak can die
-Acrinak was getting intidimated and cut to pieces by the fandore
- he pretended to be dead
If you want to claim that Acrinak was not going to die if he had continued to fight then you are going to have to prove it. and not with words of real proof that implies that he would not have died, when everything points in that direction.

Chill man, I didn't imply anything I would have told you directly if you were aiming, you're paranoid.
- Right, her or the proof of that:
I'm waiting, because last I heard it was based on the idea that the Ancients can reincarnate because something else completely different can. What do they have in common? They're old. 'There's nothing probable that can do the same =not a proof

The second time you pull out proof is here:


I never said he wanted to use it later.
I said that something that has value will always have value even if you can't extract that value, hence the diamond example = yeah, your proof just made me repeat myself

3rd proof:
You just showed that Traum was not an omniscient narrator and that not everything he says can be taken as absolute fact. I never said the opposite, you have to show me that his statement about value is unfounded, but you don't, a counter example that totally refutes his sentence doesn't exist yet. So I have no reason to question his word. again not a proof at all

Jesus man, it's fiction, don't take it like that, take a coockie

Placeholder for the rest when I can get to it. Needless to say the rest is just as bad.

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This would make sense if baam's PUs weren't forgotten after an arc or two.

In before something that could PU Baam to the level of dragging Rei into the abyss gets forgotten in the very next arc.

 

[Ignorant]

Bring back the FB...

 

[lazybum]

In before something that could PU Baam to the level of dragging Rei into the abyss gets forgotten in the very next arc.

He forgot Black March, he forgot his black shinsu ("his power") until he pulled it post death against White. If the sealed beast is in someway black ....

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Bring back the FB...

Nuh huh. Wait until SIU focus on Yama again

 

[DeadCosmos]

screw the flashback

 

[Ignorant]

@DeadCosmos @lazybum chapter was boring As fuck..

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This chapter has 17 pages thanks to cinera who always try to put us on maschenny side

 

[Jubei_Kibagami]

I could talk about WW being a piece of shit and Yas being a good friend to him?

That seemed to get everyone wet.

 

[Sky is blue]

This is overrating White.

Not really , white was stronger than kallavan who is probably the strongest cc we have met (siu confirms yastracha can't win against kallavan ) and for lybrock i think even before his new power up come up , kallavan was strong enough to defeat him , and cc are higher than lo po bia branch leaders ( or maybe a bit weaker than only top 3 branch leaders at the best) so yeah kallavan was the strongest guy from jahad army in nest before lo po bia main army came ( not counting maschenny ) (i personally think kallavan is stronger than owl or rest since they aren't doing much against jinsung even if owl didn't have his eagle bird he still has holand who is a high ranker by his side and he still can't do much) and since baam defeated white and gain his soul power on top of that , Baam should be more than twice as strong as post power up kallavan
I highly doubt maschenny is 2 times or more stronger than kallavan

So yeah only rei is stronger than baam in the nest at the moment right now

 

[paulbee]

If by chance Traumeiri dies or is defeated (totally outclassed and trounced) at the hands of Bam, how would the other FH's respond? More significantly, How would Zahard respond?

I can see where this would create a huge lore/furor, many people might flock toward Bam/Fug (My Brand New Fug-God Bam, ism). This could reveal that even among the Jadadist FH's, Traumeri may not be much liked.

 

[Jubei_Kibagami]

and for lybrock i think even before his new power up come up , kallavan was strong enough to defeat him

Man, what a disappointment he ended up being. Granted, he had the worst opponent imaginable for the skill-set he has, so the match-up wasn't a good one for him, but damn.

I'm still hoping he has more up his sleeve. Maybe he even is sandbagging a bit.

All that shit-talking for nothing though. Him and his stupid-ass divcos.

As it is, Sly was more right about him (and the divcos) than he was wrong. And that shouldn't sit well with people. As different and varied as we all are, as our opinions vary, we should all be on the same page in not wanting Sly to be right about things. I think we can all at least find common-ground there.

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If by chance Traumeiri dies or is defeated (totally outclassed and trounced) at the hands of Bam, how would the other FH's respond? More significantly, How would Zahard respond?

I can see where this would create a huge lore/furor, many people might flock toward Bam/Fug (My Brand New Fug-God Bam, ism). This could reveal that even among the Jadadist FH's, Traumeri may not be much liked.

Even without a defeat of Rei, Zahard loses face if they don't outright win (like Baam runs away). I could see forces (FUG splinter groups primarily, as they already have started) rallying around him if Baam does nothing more than survives. Bonus for succeeded at the Nest.

 

[Turtle hunter]

After the fight with White, there shouldn't be anyone in the nest besides Rei who could fight Baam.

Add that to a possible monstrous shinheuh that not even the biggest anima in the tower can tame.

And maybe we have the 3rd thorn fragment here.

Traumerei might actually end up seeing the abyss at the end of this arc.

You guys are seriously underestimating irregular .

As for Baam power rapid progress it was justified before now . But this arc , Baam just got berserk and he went from bottom HR to top 70 .

 

[Sky is blue]

Man, what a disappointment he ended up being. Granted

It still makes me laugh that this guy is right hand man of adori............

 

[Jubei_Kibagami]

It still makes me laugh that this guy is right hand man of adori............

There HAS to be more to it than that.

Adori would have to know the powers of each, yet she set them on a collision course?

Adori is such a poor strategist or supervisor to appoint someone vastly underqualified for the task at hand? (she has a bad 'picker'?)

I don't see those as likely scenarios. But... umm, I guess?

Also, Lyb seemed SUPER confident his divcos would kick ass, and they just shot themselves in the face from the start. SIU didn't even feel like on-screening most of the battles. Hell, he just walked away from the story with Uub. We went on to White, to Yama and Yas, to the FB, to Rei arriving and his hatchlings, to the crystal, to the stuff with Mas, Asenscio's arrival, hijinks with a LPB HR being knocked into the ship, the seal, hell - we even got an update on the giant fucking crab's thoughts about Cat Tower blowing up.

And not a thing about Uub.