Chapter Tower of God Chapter 537 Spoilers & Discussion

[EternalWinter]

@Demonspeed @Lady pompom @kkck

The translated chapter is out!


From Shiin ^_^

--- Double Post Merged, Apr 4, 2022, Original Post Date: Apr 4, 2022 ---

Im waiting for it too cause I did a quick skim with the last pages and can't find any except snippets from here and someone's mobile translation in Twitter. Though it should be sometime soon within the week (I don't know much what happened to the usual translator but I hope they're doing fine)

@axolotl sorry for the delay

 

[Jyu viole grace]

Translated chapter[by alpha scans]----

Tower of God Chapter 537 - Alpha Scans

Bam, who was alone all his life has entered the tower to chase after his only friend, Rachel, but how will he survive without having any special strength or power?“What do you desire? Money and wealth? Honor and pride? Authority and power? Revenge? Or something that transcends them all? Whatever...

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@Demonspeed @Lady pompom please pin

 

[JustJosh]

They are not because they have different trajectories. Urek is stronger than most of them and doesn't even need Shinwonryuu, the only thing equal between them is their irregular status.

Rachel an Irregular. Gustang still considered her trivial.

 

[PlotArmouredTitan]

They are not because they have different trajectories. Urek is stronger than most of them and doesn't even need Shinwonryuu, the only thing equal between them is their irregular status.

I don't know how to feel about this man

A part of me wants to believe he already uses a similar technique because Siu said Urek's control over shinsu was like using his limbs

 

[sazon]

That argument falls aprat because of two reasons. First, yes, we are talking about potential but do you believe that Elaine now has the same potential as she had before her exile? There's an analogy here to human learning capabilities and their age. Young people learn faster, are more flexible and can adapt more easily than older people. That's a fact and i believe the same applies to ToG world. The fact that she quite literally lost a thousand years doing nothing means her potential deteriorated and she won't ever be able to reach the peak she could've if not exiled.

1000 years in the tower is nothing.

You know the empire alone is tens of thousands of years old, right? Not to mention hundreds.

Also it's not like the Kaiser stood still, of course, she was limited but honed her fishiman skills.

That's my point precisely. They've been longer in the Tower climbing, gaining experience, getting stronger while she's a newcomer. If they had more talent than Androssi they've obliterated her. It's clear she's more talented than them becasue she managed to catch up to them (assuming they entered the Tower with similar strength). There are a few other arguments for Androssi here, like being the first from the gang to manifest her shinso quality/shape on the Hidden Floor.

But my point was never that they were more talented than Androssi.

I'm talking specifically about the talents within the LPB family.

My point has always been: it's hard to believe that Hollam is the biggest talent in the family because he's never encountered any diversity on his own level and for the existence of the 3 I mentioned.

I'm sorry but you act like all princesses or GF members are so talented which obviously is not the case. You seem to have forgotten that even Moontari supposedly killed some Khuns in the Hell Train. It seems to me that it's now you who equates potential with power.

Yes, but Koon is not Aries.

Maschenny's line to Han is for all families, even if you're talented, princesses and Arie are trouble.

 

[Cinera]

"I've never seen a talent greater than mine"

Yuri, YHS and Karaka:

He may well be greater than Karaka and Yu Hansung though. He's probably comparable to or younger than them in age, and he's stronger than them.

Yu Hansung himself compared Haland to Evankhell.

@Turtle hunter: I wouldn't be surprised if Haland is already a Top 300 High Ranker. He wouldn't be compared to Evankhell otherwise.

But that's just the point, Maschenny and Asensio's data was saved after they left, do you really think Eduan never trained them or even hinted at them?

There is a difference between a princess trained by the data of an FH or at least by her own family and a princess who was taken by a failed branch.

It is obvious that their growth rates will be different.

The people we saw on the Hidden Floor were their data as at the time they entered the Hidden Floor. They weren't growing for thousands of years on the Hidden Floor.

Hell, Data Asensio wasn't forming Lightning Spears, so Eduan clearly didn't train him. Furthermore, it makes no sense for Asensio and others to repeatedly comment on how young Data Maschenny was if she was actually several thousand years old as Data (her childish personality (getting flustered and embarrassed when she's complimented/praised) doesn't fit someone who's been Data for several thousand years either).

The Data versions are effectively frozen copies of them taken at a particular point in their life. They were no stronger as at the point their Data was deleted compared to when they entered the Hidden Floor.

 

[King Dryst]

It's looking really unlikely that we see Maschenny in a serious fight at the Nest (it's even more unlikely after this chapter when we realise that she already has an escape route planned).

She'd better not be planning to bring Baam along on her ride if she's going to escape. Otherwise it's doomed to fail. This arc isn't ending without some sort of direct meeting between the Irregulars.

 

[sazon]

top 100 talent is actually crazy like i said , in normal case you won't meet more than 1 to 4 top 100 in 1000 years they are than rare .

We just saw 4 jahad princess and thinking the 4 off them will reach top 100 sound crazy to me .

I mean after them , they family will create other jahad princess , by you logic in a thousand years they would be only jahad princess in the top 100 and if you look at 10000 they would kick out most HR and the ranking off HR will be only filled with jahad princess , i am exagerating a little bit but if being a jahad princess mans you can to top 100 , most HR would jahad princess given the quantity of jahad princess .

The reality is that even among jahad pirncess there are difference , it is why 13 month EXIST , they are the most talented even among other jahad princess and are likely to reach top 100 .

For me the jahad princess gifted with 13 months are the most talented . Yuri is said to be the most talented among her family AND her family had the hope of yuri gathering every 13 months , which mean in her family and even in history , like 10000 Yuri talent is unmatched or close to it ( excluding the twin daughter of Yuri who have blood of pure irregular )

In MOST case jahad princess are unique in they family , but you think guy like Jinsung , White or the Lyborick don't surpass jahad princess ?

I repeat again top 100 is a extremely rare position , and what people don't understand is that the older you and the higher you get in the ranking the more you face previous generation genius .

If Androssi was that much off a genius she would be higher than most other jahad pirncess and she would have never struglled against those mad dogs .

But here it is, throughout history, do you think there were 70,000 princesses? They were always few and lived in a bloody war, it's not like they all have the same potential as Yuri, that's not the point.

It's not the easiest thing in the world to create a princess, the selection is difficult and time consuming and as I said there is a war between them.

How many died at the hands of 13 months? How many were killed by other families and/or princesses?

Anyway, this is dragging on too long, the point is that yes, I believe that all princesses have the potential to reach the top 100, now whether x will be better than y is another story.

 

[Jack Van Burace]

He told them to kill, not entertain him

I don't mean Traumerei. I mean SIU/Phanta. They are in charge of fate here. XD

 

[sazon]

I don't know how to feel about this man

A part of me wants to believe he already uses a similar technique because Siu said Urek's control over shinsu was like using his limbs

It just goes to show that he doesn't need it to wield his power as an irregular.

 

[Cinera]

That's my point precisely. They've been longer in the Tower climbing, gaining experience, getting stronger while she's a newcomer. If they had more talent than Androssi they'd have obliterated her. It's clear she's more talented than them becasue she managed to catch up to them (assuming they entered the Tower with similar strength). There are a few other arguments for Androssi here, like being the first from the gang to manifest her shinso quality/shape on the Hidden Floor.

Lilial and Shilial were toying with Endorsi and Hatsu. They were far stronger than her and even Baam. SIU himself said that they were "ahead of the power curve".

Ahead of the Power Curve

Season 2 Chapter 212 Blog Post

Lilial and Shilial hold the key to one of the two big upcoming story arcs so they appeared ahead of the power curve.

The specifics will be revealed in the later stories.

There isn't really anything placing Endorsi as more talented than them.

I'm sorry but you act like all princesses or GF members are so talented which obviously is not the case. You seem to have forgotten that even Moontari supposedly killed some Khuns in the Hell Train. It seems to me that it's now you who equates potential with power.

Great Family Princesses are specifically the most talented members of their Families. SIU has said that they will become the "central power" of that Family in future:

Season 2 Chapter 105 Blog Post

A Princess who is a direct descendent of one of the 10 House Heads is especially influential and powerful.

If a Princess is from one of the 10 Families, she will become the central power of that Family in the future

Source

There are some weak Khuns because Eduan has tens of thousands of sons.

 

[sazon]

The people we saw on the Hidden Floor were their data as at the time they entered the Hidden Floor. They weren't growing for thousands of years on the Hidden Floor.

Hell, Data Asensio wasn't forming Lightning Spears, so Eduan clearly didn't train him. Furthermore, it makes no sense for Asensio and others to repeatedly comment on how young Data Maschenny was if she was actually several thousand years old as Data (her childish personality (getting flustered and embarrassed when she's complimented/praised) doesn't fit someone who's been Data for several thousand years either).

The Data versions are effectively frozen copies of them taken at a particular point in their life. They were no stronger as at the point their Data was deleted compared to when they entered the Hidden Floor.

No it's not, the data that remains is the ones saved after leaving the floor.

Did Asensio have time to fight it all?

Or do you really think that seeing Maschenny Eduan's talent didn't teach her anything?

Oh, I forgot, she manipulated fate.

 

[lazybum]

Yu Hansung himself compared Haland to Evankhell.

I went back and read this part, YHS made a conjecture that they might be Evankhell tier, so he wasn't affirming anything. Later Purdidy says that Holan is not up to task against Jinsung, so if he was at least Evankhell tier, Purdidy wouldn't be so against leaving it to Holan. So I'd say he is at least a tier below Evankhell IMO.

 

[Turtle hunter]

Man, you always find an excuse to belittle regulars, just like you're doing now.

It's not even the plot issue here.


But that's just the point, Maschenny and Asensio's data was saved after they left, do you really think Eduan never trained them or even hinted at them?

There is a difference between a princess trained by the data of an FH or at least by her own family and a princess who was taken by a failed branch.

It is obvious that their growth rates will be different.



And how many princesses would it take for you to think of a pattern?

As I said, apart from Yuri who is very young and Garam who we don't know anything about, all the other princess rankers are in the top 100.

Princesses are the biggest business in the 10 families, the SIU itself says that, if you are a woman, you are more likely to be successful because you can become a princess.

The problem isn't hollam being the most talented of his generation in the LPB family, it's him claiming that in terms of talent no one surpasses him and him being so arrogant when he hasn't seen the world.

Is that you only argument ? Being talented as a regular is different from being talented as a HR .

You just underestimate how hard it is to get to top 100 .

I am sorry even being a princess doesn't mean you can automatically get to top 100 at you peak .

There is a reason 13 months are not awarded to every princess , because jahad family consider there are difference in talent among jahad princess .

top 100 means you are among the 100 strongest and most influential people that are currently alive in more than 10000 years .

This is just crazy to think that among the 100 most talented person in history that are currently alive , 4 appeared in the span off 50 to 100 years .

If you think this is just crazy , i am sorry , but i don't want to be delusionnal , all HR are considered but not HR will reach top 100 even YHS know he will never reach Evankhell level .

At this point you are making stuff up , there is no indication that Edhuan trained , not only that we know data can't progress so even if that were the case it would be whortless .

At best he could made them discover they shinsoo affinity .

In fact anyone who look at Edhuan personallity will see he is not the type of guy to train , if you are not like Baam .

20 to 30 would be enough to form a idea .

So i ask do you think most people off Evankhell race who have a ancient one can be top 100 right ? Given most off them are top 100 ?

Can i also say that most people of Po bidau family are HR , given most off those we saw were HR ?

Can i say most LPB are HR too ? Given most off those we saw were HR ?

Do you see the flaw with you argument ?

The author only show us a certain perspective and not a global view , so it skew how logic .

The same jubei kagami despite the fact that he is intelligent made a argument that in the end implyed that people of evankell could produce a 1000 top 100 in history when even the great family should have no more than 100 people who made it to top 100 , but why did he made his appoint ?

Because lastly we saw more and more ancient one and they were mostly top 100 .

I mean with little logic it is easy to understand that most jahad prinncess won't reach top 100 , you mean to tell by chance LPB family got 2 top 100 in the same generation ?

 

[Cinera]

I went back and read this part, YHS made a conjecture that they might be Evankhell tier, so he wasn't affirming anything. Later Purdidy says that Holan is not up to task against Jinsung, so if he was at least Evankhell tier, Purdidy wouldn't be so against leaving it to Holan. So I'd say he is at least a tier below Evankhell IMO.

No, Evankhell just isn't that strong. She's matched up against someone that's at best on Pudidy's level and is likely even weaker.

There's a reason that Evankhell was booted out of the Top 100 without her Ruler title while Jinsung remains in it without any such title or special influence.

 

[aidkim]

Is AA ever going to get any backclash for lying to Baam about his dead friends?

 

[Cinera]

No it's not, the data that remains is the ones saved after leaving the floor.

Did Asensio have time to fight it all?

Or do you really think that seeing Maschenny Eduan's talent didn't teach her anything?

Oh, I forgot, she manipulated fate.

We saw Data Asensio go all out.

I simply do not think it is possible for the Data versions to go stronger. They were static versions. Eduan thought that Redan was dangerous and not a good skill to use. If he had trained Maschenny, she wouldn't be using it.

Beyond that it doesn't fit the story telling. The Hidden Floor was supposed to show us what these characters were like as D Rank Regulars when they had completed the Hell Train. Postulating that they had actually grown for thousands or tens of thousands of years makes negative sense. It distorts the entire purpose of the Hidden Floor.

And again, the characters acted like children. Data Maschenny literally acted like a teenage/preteen girl with the associated insecurities. Your hypothesis that she was actually several thousand years old just doesn't make sense.


Honestly, this is just cope to get around the fact that Baam's friends were shitter compared to the D Rank Khuns.

 

[PlotArmouredTitan]

ut didn't Yasratcha get destroyed this chapter by ONE attack. Still don't understand.

...and how many other attacks has he breezed through since last chapter?

Inb4 Yas does an hybrider-style, 'Tis but a scratch'-tier ressurection.
Maybe LPB will add two more summons to the equation next week

 

[Ignorant]

He may well be greater than Karaka and Yu Hansung though. He's probably comparable to or younger than them in age, and he's stronger than them.

Yu Hansung himself compared Haland to Evankhell.

@Turtle hunter: I wouldn't be surprised if Haland is already a Top 300 High Ranker. He wouldn't be compared to Evankhell otherwise.



The people we saw on the Hidden Floor were their data as at the time they entered the Hidden Floor. They weren't growing for thousands of years on the Hidden Floor.

Hell, Data Asensio wasn't forming Lightning Spears, so Eduan clearly didn't train him. Furthermore, it makes no sense for Asensio and others to repeatedly comment on how young Data Maschenny was if she was actually several thousand years old as Data (her childish personality (getting flustered and embarrassed when she's complimented/praised) doesn't fit someone who's been Data for several thousand years either).

The Data versions are effectively frozen copies of them taken at a particular point in their life. They were no stronger as at the point their Data was deleted compared to when they entered the Hidden Floor.

Idk about hollan being stronger than YHS or karaka
As spear bearer he maintain a long distance from JH
He probably can’t handle the rain of punches owl is taking.

 

[Cinera]

DO you realize that what you are saying is foolish ? Because no one know how strong Baam is including Baam himself ? Same only maschenny know her strength and Baam never act dominants ?

If Baam or AA thought that Baam had any hope of defeating Maschenny, they wouldn't be treading so carefully around her.

It's fine to think that Baam can beat Maschenny, just recognise that the Webtoon doesn't support that position.

She'd better not be planning to bring Baam along on her ride if she's going to escape. Otherwise it's doomed to fail. This arc isn't ending without some sort of direct meeting between the Irregulars.

Maschenny's ride is how Baam escapes from the fight with Traumerei. I think he'll still fight, but with a second escape route, makes it really unlikely that he'll win.

I don't think Maschenny is going to escape, but will rather send Baam away through the Warp Drive on her ship or leave and take him with her.

 

[Kunrin]

AA certainly did not give the impression that he thought Maschenny was nothing before Baam or that he thought that Baam was at all superior to Maschenny. He wasn't sure how she would react, so he told Baam to lie about it.

Even after Baam absorbed Leviathan, his most recent interaction with Maschenny had her treating him from a position of superior standing.

Ultimately, despite the desperate wishes of the fanbase that it was otherwise, ALL of Baam's interactions with Maschenny have not indicated any superiority and have instead indicated the opposite. Neither Baam nor his allies act as if Baam is stronger than Maschenny or capable of taking her on in a fight. They have always been conciliatory with her and willing to do what she says. Even — no especially — after Baam absorbed Leviathan, AA was cautioning him that they needed to tread carefully around her.

If Baam was superior to Maschenny, he wouldn't be walking on eggshells around her. He'd have gone to her and demanded his master back or threatened to beat her up. He wouldn't have played the role of a good boy willing to do whatever she tells him.

Even now, he's telling Jinsung that they only have 20 minutes left before Maschenny turns on the Warp Drive.


We've never seen Maschenny in a serious combat situation, so we have no basis to judge how she stands relative to other characters beyond the power dynamic between them, and the power dynamic between Baam and Maschenny has been placing Maschenny above him (contrast how she despairs that Traumerei is someone that she cannot stop even if she wanted to).


Beyond that, we just learned that there's a Warp Drive on Maschenny's ship and she's going to use it to send Baam and his friends away in twenty minutes. This is aside from the Warp Drive that Hwa Ryun prepared.

It no longer seems credible to me that Baam is going to defeat Traumerei. If at all victory was plausible, SIU wouldn't be preparing so many escape routes. If Baam is ultimately going to end up running away from Traumerei, then nothing necessitates him being above Maschenny.

Yasratcha is also fighting Traumerei right now.

AA doesn't know anything about anything

 

[Ignorant]

The chapter was good who is the carrier of the sacred TL?