Im waiting for it too cause I did a quick skim with the last pages and can't find any except snippets from here and someone's mobile translation in Twitter. Though it should be sometime soon within the week (I don't know much what happened to the usual translator but I hope they're doing fine)
Bam, who was alone all his life has entered the tower to chase after his only friend, Rachel, but how will he survive without having any special strength or power?“What do you desire? Money and wealth? Honor and pride? Authority and power? Revenge? Or something that transcends them all? Whatever...
Urek had to work against Hell Joe and Karaka FFS... you can't just win without trying just coz you're an irregular... urek used his finger against Karaka which we all thought was amazing... well Traumerei is fighting a far stronger opponent and hasn't gotten out of his cozy chair and people calling him underwhelming... Y'all realize Yas is ridiculously strong right? Pretty sure Traumerei could 1 shot him like he did NenNen
That sound like bullshit , Shillial , lilial and kaiser were considered talent among they generation , but Holan talent is compared among 1000 years and with other HR off his family .
And I know you hate regulars, but it's always been clear that most of Baam's friends are top-notch talent, even among the 10 families.
Kaiser was selected as a princess, meaning both the talent and the ability to withstand Zahard's power were there. And the worst, she is not even a DD and surpasses many of them in talent.
Hollam said, simply, that in terms of potential he just isn't capable of surpassing Rei and that he's never seen anyone more talented than him.
That says more about his arrogance than facts.
As much as cinera is crazy with his fanaticism, it's a fact that princesses are a central power in families, they may not be the strongest, but they are still monsters apart in the tower.
Apart from Yuri who is barely 500 and Garam who is an Icognita, all properly established princess rankers are either top 100 or have clues that put them there.
So, it is very difficult to believe in someone who is not aware of the world.
I mean he is the leader of the new hatschling , that mean he will almsot likely become top 300 and him becoming top 100 is not out off the ordinary given how the FH treat them .
Lol why would i hate the regular ? I just find them irrelevant and they are , the author inability to find a way to properly use them without disturbing the overall story has downgraded the story quality a lot .
If you accuse you of having bias , i can also return the favor and question you ability to judge someone like Androssi and her talent .
So if they were judged to be top notch talent among they family at that time ? So ?
You think every HR isn't judged as top notch talent in they family ?
When we had look at genuine talent like Maschenny , Androssi looked honestly like trash , same for guy like Ran and Anak .
We even saw Ascencio and how strong he was compared to Baam friend , The 5 i mentionned below seem closer to Ascencio than MAschenny to be honest .
You are using the same argument as @Jubei_Kibagami , who said that most ancient holder we saw were top 100 , so they were top 100 or most likely top 100 .
Again that logic is flawed and is only a question of perspective .
Why ? because how many jahad pirncess did we saw until now that were ranker ?
3? 5? Is that enough to say most jahad princes are top 100 material ?
I mean with little logic , we can easily understand that the top 100 will be stacked with jahad princess , just think about it , in just 50 years we add 4 official princess as regular and we only saw them till the 42 ranked level , Yihwa too could have become a jahad princess with her talent . We know that it is likely to find even more jahad princess in higher level . Now we had 4 princess in like 30 years , how many are they in 1000 years ? 100 ? So no if you look at that , reaching top 100 doesn't seem possible for most princess .
Among Baam friend without any asspull how many will become HR ? Androssi , Rak , AA , Anak , Ran , who else ?
How many off them
Jinsung was implying that he already delt with jahad princess before .
I don't know if Holan can reach top 100 , but top 300 seems likely possible , so he will among guy like Doom at minimum .
So sure there are more talented , but even among HR he is talented .
You're the one insisting that she know when the proof tells us otherwise. for sure she know the thing was powerful to certain extent.
When Aguero said some certitude, I think he refers to her certainly knowing the thing at the Vault was powerful/important,
Certitude and certainty are essentially the same in this context.
Mas already knows that there's some powerful thing/item no one's denying it. Though the point that she know what was stored inside is questionable/reach at best.
the reason is:
Zahard gave the Vault to the LPB family. Under normal circumstances, only the higher up of LPB has access to that Vault.
The territory falls under LPB jurisdiction. No one can access it except the LPB higher up, and with a good reason.
We don't know how strong are the Shinheuhs which aren't among his Top 23 but you could have several lower tier ones for many reasons since they have different abilities. I don't see how it's strange for Animas not to use their strongest Shinheuhs all the time.
AA certainly did not give the impression that he thought Maschenny was nothing before Baam or that he thought that Baam was at all superior to Maschenny. He wasn't sure how she would react, so he told Baam to lie about it.
Even after Baam absorbed Leviathan, his most recent interaction with Maschenny had her treating him from a position of superior standing.
Ultimately, despite the desperate wishes of the fanbase that it was otherwise, ALL of Baam's interactions with Maschenny have not indicated any superiority and have instead indicated the opposite. Neither Baam nor his allies act as if Baam is stronger than Maschenny or capable of taking her on in a fight. They have always been conciliatory with her and willing to do what she says. Even — no especially — after Baam absorbed Leviathan, AA was cautioning him that they needed to tread carefully around her.
If Baam was superior to Maschenny, he wouldn't be walking on eggshells around her. He'd have gone to her and demanded his master back or threatened to beat her up. He wouldn't have played the role of a good boy willing to do whatever she tells him.
Even now, he's telling Jinsung that they only have 20 minutes left before Maschenny turns on the Warp Drive.
We've never seen Maschenny in a serious combat situation, so we have no basis to judge how she stands relative to other characters beyond the power dynamic between them, and the power dynamic between Baam and Maschenny has been placing Maschenny above him (contrast how she despairs that Traumerei is someone that she cannot stop even if she wanted to).
Beyond that, we just learned that there's a Warp Drive on Maschenny's ship and she's going to use it to send Baam and his friends away in twenty minutes. This is aside from the Warp Drive that Hwa Ryun prepared.
It no longer seems credible to me that Baam is going to defeat Traumerei. If at all victory was plausible, SIU wouldn't be preparing so many escape routes. If Baam is ultimately going to end up running away from Traumerei, then nothing necessitates him being above Maschenny.
We don't know how strong are the Shinheuhs which aren't among his Top 23 but you could have several lower tier ones for many reasons since they have different abilities. I don't see how it's strange for Animas not to use their strongest Shinheuhs all the time.
Isn't he using two out of the seven he possesses? This means more than a quarter of his summons are already confirmed to be useless in a fight against an FH. Those aren't good signs IMO.
It comes down to the same thing, especially since we know that the children from the families are stronger than those who are not. I think it even says in s1 that the Rankers from the 10 families are supposed to be stronger than those who are not.
The Hendok lok family based on adoption should have the same problem.
Unless every cadre of the family is a mini Adori or adopts (Kidnape) the talented regulars from the other families it should be the weakest
I'm tired of debating it when we haven't gotten any new combat information in a while, and it looks like we wouldn't get more for years. It's looking really unlikely that we see Maschenny in a serious fight at the Nest (it's even more unlikely after this chapter when we realise that she already has an escape route planned).
The only stuff we have to go on in the Nest is like her standing/stature, how characters treat her, how she treats other characters, the power dynamics and such. But such presentations aren't combat feats and many people would not be convinced by them.
So I think it's ultimately not productive to debate "how strong is Maschenny right now"? This doesn't mean that I cannot be baited into such unproductive conversations, but I would not start them myself, and aren't particularly enthused to continue them once I've been sucked in.
Kaiser was only there 1000 years ago and I didn't get his point. We're not talking about strength, but potential.
She is not Baam, she still needs to climb the tower to get stronger. The question is, can you say that if nothing had gone wrong, Hollam would be the most talented of the current generation?
That argument falls aprat because of two reasons. First, yes, we are talking about potential but do you believe that Elaine now has the same potential as she had before her exile? There's an analogy here to human learning capabilities and their age. Young people learn faster, are more flexible and can adapt more easily than older people. That's a fact and i believe the same applies to ToG world. The fact that she quite literally lost a thousand years doing nothing means her potential deteriorated and she won't ever be able to reach the peak she could've if not exiled.
As to your question, yes i believe so. Keep in mind Kaiser wasn't the most talented person either. In her flashback the boy who betrayed her is portrayed as the most talented person in their families or maybe generation. I secretly hope it's Holan btw.
That's my point precisely. They've been longer in the Tower climbing, gaining experience, getting stronger while she's a newcomer. If they had more talent than Androssi they'd have obliterated her. It's clear she's more talented than them becasue she managed to catch up to them (assuming they entered the Tower with similar strength). There are a few other arguments for Androssi here, like being the first from the gang to manifest her shinso quality/shape on the Hidden Floor.
I'm sorry but you act like all princesses or GF members are so talented which obviously is not the case. You seem to have forgotten that even Moontari supposedly killed some Khuns in the Hell Train. It seems to me that it's now you who equates potential with power.
Isn't he using two out of the seven he possesses? This means more than a quarter of his summons are already confirmed to be useless in a fight against an FH. Those aren't good signs IMO.
I'm tired of debating it when we haven't gotten any new combat information in a while, and it looks like we wouldn't get more for years. It's looking really unlikely that we see Maschenny in a serious fight at the Nest (it's even more unlikely after this chapter when we realise that she already has an escape route planned).
The only stuff we have to go on in the Nest is like her standing/stature, how characters treat her, how she treats other characters, the power dynamics and such. But such presentations aren't combat feats and many people would not be convinced by them.
So I think it's ultimately not productive to debate "how strong is Maschenny right now"? This doesn't mean that I cannot be baited into such unproductive conversations, but I would not start them myself, and aren't particularly enthused to continue them once I've been sucked in.
I mean he is the leader of the new hatschling , that mean he will almsot likely become top 300 and him becoming top 100 is not out off the ordinary given how the FH treat them .
Lol why would i hate the regular ? I just find them irrelevant and they are , the author inability to find a way to properly use them without disturbing the overall story has downgraded the story quality a lot .
If you accuse you of having bias , i can also return the favor and question you ability to judge someone like Androssi and her talent .
But that's just the point, Maschenny and Asensio's data was saved after they left, do you really think Eduan never trained them or even hinted at them?
There is a difference between a princess trained by the data of an FH or at least by her own family and a princess who was taken by a failed branch.
It is obvious that their growth rates will be different.
You are using the same argument as @Jubei_Kibagami , who said that most ancient holder we saw were top 100 , so they were top 100 or most likely top 100 .
Again that logic is flawed and is only a question of perspective .
Why ? because how many jahad pirncess did we saw until now that were ranker ?
3? 5? Is that enough to say most jahad princes are top 100 material ?
I mean with little logic , we can easily understand that the top 100 will be stacked with jahad princess , just think about it , in just 50 years we add 4 official princess as regular and we only saw them till the 42 ranked level , Yihwa too could have become a jahad princess with her talent . We know that it is likely to find even more jahad princess in higher level . Now we had 4 princess in like 30 years , how many are they in 1000 years ? 100 ? So no if you look at that , reaching top 100 doesn't seem possible for most princess .
Among Baam friend without any asspull how many will become HR ? Androssi , Rak , AA , Anak , Ran , who else ?
How many off them
Jinsung was implying that he already delt with jahad princess before .
I don't know if Holan can reach top 100 , but top 300 seems likely possible , so he will among guy like Doom at minimum .
So sure there are more talented , but even among HR he is talented .
And how many princesses would it take for you to think of a pattern?
As I said, apart from Yuri who is very young and Garam who we don't know anything about, all the other princess rankers are in the top 100.
Princesses are the biggest business in the 10 families, the SIU itself says that, if you are a woman, you are more likely to be successful because you can become a princess.
The problem isn't hollam being the most talented of his generation in the LPB family, it's him claiming that in terms of talent no one surpasses him and him being so arrogant when he hasn't seen the world.
And who said they don't have top 100 talent? They are Zahard princesses after all.
You always use the Data Maschenny argument, but there's the data saved after being approved by Eduan, it makes a lot more sense that the data taught her.
And we know that a princess from the 10 families has much more resources than a princess from outside. Entrance to the tower is different, but the climb matters.
The whole question in the end is about potential here, whether they are going to reach that potential or not is another story.
The princesses in general, ALWAYS proved to be "irregular" among the regulars and even among the rankers, that is, if you consider yourself the most talented in the whole family, you have your doubts.
Hollam clearly doesn't know the world.
And I honestly don't know why you consider it a top 100.
top 100 talent is actually crazy like i said , in normal case you won't meet more than 1 to 4 top 100 in 1000 years they are than rare .
We just saw 4 jahad princess and thinking the 4 off them will reach top 100 sound crazy to me .
I mean after them , they family will create other jahad princess , by you logic in a thousand years they would be only jahad princess in the top 100 and if you look at 10000 they would kick out most HR and the ranking off HR will be only filled with jahad princess , i am exagerating a little bit but if being a jahad princess mans you can to top 100 , most HR would jahad princess given the quantity of jahad princess .
The reality is that even among jahad pirncess there are difference , it is why 13 month EXIST , they are the most talented even among other jahad princess and are likely to reach top 100 .
For me the jahad princess gifted with 13 months are the most talented . Yuri is said to be the most talented among her family AND her family had the hope of yuri gathering every 13 months , which mean in her family and even in history , like 10000 Yuri talent is unmatched or close to it ( excluding the twin daughter of Yuri who have blood of pure irregular )
In MOST case jahad princess are unique in they family , but you think guy like Jinsung , White or the Lyborick don't surpass jahad princess ?
I repeat again top 100 is a extremely rare position , and what people don't understand is that the older you and the higher you get in the ranking the more you face previous generation genius .
If Androssi was that much off a genius she would be higher than most other jahad pirncess and she would have never struglled against those mad dogs .
Kaiser was only there 1000 years ago and I didn't get his point. We're not talking about strength, but potential.
She is not Baam, she still needs to climb the tower to get stronger. The question is, can you say that if nothing had gone wrong, Hollam would be the most talented of the current generation?
You know at that point the twins were stronger than Androssi, right?
Perseus and Pudidy say he is the greatest talent of Hatculing's current generation.
Hollam says his talent/potential/growth rate is the highest in the entire family.
He says he's never seen anyone more talented than him, that is, he's never faced a princess or an Arie, in the least.
Yes he did , he likely was better than most arie or princess off his generation that he met .
For example Ran met that Arie guy and it was clear that Ran was a lot more talented , when you are talented enough even Arie or jahad princess can be beaten .
Jinsung likely jahad eate jahad princess for breakfast .
We have Maschenny as a example and it just show that Baam friend aren't shit compared to top 100 talent . They will need other other power up to get to this level .
Damn Maschenny could probably take most Baam friend by herself .
Well given AA and Rak current progress , it may not be the case anymore .
They are not because they have different trajectories. Urek is stronger than most of them and doesn't even need Shinwonryuu, the only thing equal between them is their irregular status.
Sorry for the late respond .
I've not get pajaka's TL that'why I've not uploaded
I think you guys already get rainy's TL,I guess
so I'll wait for alpha this time
AA certainly did not give the impression that he thought Maschenny was nothing before Baam or that he thought that Baam was at all superior to Maschenny. He wasn't sure how she would react, so he told Baam to lie about it.
Even after Baam absorbed Leviathan, his most recent interaction with Maschenny had her treating him from a position of superior standing.
Ultimately, despite the desperate wishes of the fanbase that it was otherwise, ALL of Baam's interactions with Maschenny have not indicated any superiority and have instead indicated the opposite. Neither Baam nor his allies act as if Baam is stronger than Maschenny or capable of taking her on in a fight. They have always been conciliatory with her and willing to do what she says. Even — no especially — after Baam absorbed Leviathan, AA was cautioning him that they needed to tread carefully around her.
If Baam was superior to Maschenny, he wouldn't be walking on eggshells around her. He'd have gone to her and demanded his master back or threatened to beat her up. He wouldn't have played the role of a good boy willing to do whatever she tells him.
Even now, he's telling Jinsung that they only have 20 minutes left before Maschenny turns on the Warp Drive.
We've never seen Maschenny in a serious combat situation, so we have no basis to judge how she stands relative to other characters beyond the power dynamic between them, and the power dynamic between Baam and Maschenny has been placing Maschenny above him (contrast how she despairs that Traumerei is someone that she cannot stop even if she wanted to).
Beyond that, we just learned that there's a Warp Drive on Maschenny's ship and she's going to use it to send Baam and his friends away in twenty minutes. This is aside from the Warp Drive that Hwa Ryun prepared.
It no longer seems credible to me that Baam is going to defeat Traumerei. If at all victory was plausible, SIU wouldn't be preparing so many escape routes. If Baam is ultimately going to end up running away from Traumerei, then nothing necessitates him being above Maschenny.
DO you realize that what you are saying is foolish ? Because no one know how strong Baam is including Baam himself ? Same only maschenny know her strength and Baam never act dominants ?
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