Chapter Tower of God Chapter 537 Spoilers & Discussion

[EternalWinter]

@Demonspeed @Lady pompom @kkck

The translated chapter is out!


From Shiin ^_^

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Im waiting for it too cause I did a quick skim with the last pages and can't find any except snippets from here and someone's mobile translation in Twitter. Though it should be sometime soon within the week (I don't know much what happened to the usual translator but I hope they're doing fine)

@axolotl sorry for the delay

 

[Jyu viole grace]

Translated chapter[by alpha scans]----

Tower of God Chapter 537 - Alpha Scans

Bam, who was alone all his life has entered the tower to chase after his only friend, Rachel, but how will he survive without having any special strength or power?“What do you desire? Money and wealth? Honor and pride? Authority and power? Revenge? Or something that transcends them all? Whatever...

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@Demonspeed @Lady pompom please pin

 

[sazon]

Is that you only argument ? Being talented as a regular is different from being talented as a HR .

You just underestimate how hard it is to get to top 100 .

I am sorry even being a princess doesn't mean you can automatically get to top 100 at you peak .

There is a reason 13 months are not awarded to every princess , because jahad family consider there are difference in talent among jahad princess .

top 100 means you are among the 100 strongest and most influential people that are currently alive in more than 10000 years .

This is just crazy to think that among the 100 most talented person in history that are currently alive , 4 appeared in the span off 50 to 100 years .

If you think this is just crazy , i am sorry , but i don't want to be delusionnal , all HR are considered but not HR will reach top 100 even YHS know he will never reach Evankhell level .

At this point you are making stuff up , there is no indication that Edhuan trained , not only that we know data can't progress so even if that were the case it would be whortless .

At best he could made them discover they shinsoo affinity .

In fact anyone who look at Edhuan personallity will see he is not the type of guy to train , if you are not like Baam .

20 to 30 would be enough to form a idea .

So i ask do you think most people off Evankhell race who have a ancient one can be top 100 right ? Given most off them are top 100 ?

Can i also say that most people of Po bidau family are HR , given most off those we saw were HR ?

Can i say most LPB are HR too ? Given most off those we saw were HR ?

Do you see the flaw with you argument ?

The author only show us a certain perspective and not a global view , so it skew how logic .

The same jubei kagami despite the fact that he is intelligent made a argument that in the end implyed that people of evankell could produce a 1000 top 100 in history when even the great family should have no more than 100 people who made it to top 100 , but why did he made his appoint ?

Because lastly we saw more and more ancient one and they were mostly top 100 .

I mean with little logic it is easy to understand that most jahad prinncess won't reach top 100 , you mean to tell by chance LPB family got 2 top 100 in the same generation ?

I'm not belittling the top 100, I'm just saying that I do believe all princesses have the potential for the top 100.

You confuse potential with strength, it doesn't mean that if Lilial makes the top 100 she will be stronger than Yuri or Maschenny.

And I'm not even saying it takes 100 years for that.

Having the potential and achieving are two different things, Enne only needed 400 years (estimate) for that, while Yuri will at least need 1000 years (estimate), but that doesn't change the fact that both can achieve it.

We don't have the global situation so yes, with what little we have we can speculate.

If you want a real statistical sample, complain to SIU, not to me.

We know that the LPB and Ha family have two "regents" each, is that enough to AFFIRM that all 10 families are like that? No, but it's enough for you to create a speculation based on that.

Yes, I believe any princess has the potential for that, but I never said that was the absolute truth.

Also because the top 100 is just a parameter, there is no real thing, because there is a blue hole.

And understand, I'm not saying that every princess in history has already made it to the top 100 or that they are the strongest there, but rather that they have the potential to do so.

 

[Olly]

AA certainly did not give the impression that he thought Maschenny was nothing before Baam or that he thought that Baam was at all superior to Maschenny. He wasn't sure how she would react, so he told Baam to lie about it.

Even after Baam absorbed Leviathan, his most recent interaction with Maschenny had her treating him from a position of superior standing.

Ultimately, despite the desperate wishes of the fanbase that it was otherwise, ALL of Baam's interactions with Maschenny have not indicated any superiority and have instead indicated the opposite. Neither Baam nor his allies act as if Baam is stronger than Maschenny or capable of taking her on in a fight. They have always been conciliatory with her and willing to do what she says. Even — no especially — after Baam absorbed Leviathan, AA was cautioning him that they needed to tread carefully around her.

If Baam was superior to Maschenny, he wouldn't be walking on eggshells around her. He'd have gone to her and demanded his master back or threatened to beat her up. He wouldn't have played the role of a good boy willing to do whatever she tells him.

Even now, he's telling Jinsung that they only have 20 minutes left before Maschenny turns on the Warp Drive.


We've never seen Maschenny in a serious combat situation, so we have no basis to judge how she stands relative to other characters beyond the power dynamic between them, and the power dynamic between Baam and Maschenny has been placing Maschenny above him (contrast how she despairs that Traumerei is someone that she cannot stop even if she wanted to).


Beyond that, we just learned that there's a Warp Drive on Maschenny's ship and she's going to use it to send Baam and his friends away in twenty minutes. This is aside from the Warp Drive that Hwa Ryun prepared.

It no longer seems credible to me that Baam is going to defeat Traumerei. If at all victory was plausible, SIU wouldn't be preparing so many escape routes. If Baam is ultimately going to end up running away from Traumerei, then nothing necessitates him being above Maschenny.

Yasratcha is also fighting Traumerei right now.

I thought after bam got Levi u would atleast say that he is stronger than her but I guess when u fell for something u always try to make it look better than everything.
Bam is beating higher rankers, and talented guys with an owl saint, and the power he is using, he stated that it’s only leaking out I bet he is not even using 10% of Levi’s power and yet look what he is doing, in his base without even a named technique, I wonder how much power of Levi he would use in his base how far can he increase and if he adds the thorn to amplify it where is he ranking with just only Levi not considering other things he has at his disposal but if u were to include everything I think it’s not even worthy for him to be compared to the likes of maschenny only the strongest non irregular could be compared to him or the weakest irregular. the only thing we about maschenny is that she is top 100 but not top 50 or even 60 at that. I wonder if u could remove her influence where she would fall as what to what happened with EVK.
Maschenny acts the way she acts one cz the info and intel she has, the authority allowing her to order and change things the CC were obeying her as someone carrying the operation and the connections she has with her families and she knows bam can’t touch him cz what she holds and our bam is a little nice boy as usual and neither AA or Rak have seen the full battle of white and bam for them judge whose stronger but AA knows how influence maschenny is so what she can do from the influence and that’s why they obeyed her like that, and maschenny have never seen the fight between bam and white, if she knew what happened there would be changes. But if u go with just battle power alone bam far exceeds Her.

 

[Turtle hunter]

1000 years in the tower is nothing.

You know the empire alone is tens of thousands of years old, right? Not to mention hundreds.

Also it's not like the Kaiser stood still, of course, she was limited but honed her fishiman skills.


But my point was never that they were more talented than Androssi.

I'm talking specifically about the talents within the LPB family.

My point has always been: it's hard to believe that Hollam is the biggest talent in the family because he's never encountered any diversity on his own level and for the existence of the 3 I mentioned.


Yes, but Koon is not Aries.

Maschenny's line to Han is for all families, even if you're talented, princesses and Arie are trouble.

Those are general quote , for most great family member , even very talented one they won't be able to beat jahad pirncess , but there exception guy that only appear every 1000 thousand years .

Like Jinsung , do you think he couldn't beat a jahad princess off his generation ? Do you think Lyborick , White , Evankhell couldn't fight jahad princess ?

He may well be greater than Karaka and Yu Hansung though. He's probably comparable to or younger than them in age, and he's stronger than them.

Yu Hansung himself compared Haland to Evankhell.

@Turtle hunter: I wouldn't be surprised if Haland is already a Top 300 High Ranker. He wouldn't be compared to Evankhell otherwise.



The people we saw on the Hidden Floor were their data as at the time they entered the Hidden Floor. They weren't growing for thousands of years on the Hidden Floor.

Hell, Data Asensio wasn't forming Lightning Spears, so Eduan clearly didn't train him. Furthermore, it makes no sense for Asensio and others to repeatedly comment on how young Data Maschenny was if she was actually several thousand years old as Data (her childish personality (getting flustered and embarrassed when she's complimented/praised) doesn't fit someone who's been Data for several thousand years either).

The Data versions are effectively frozen copies of them taken at a particular point in their life. They were no stronger as at the point their Data was deleted compared to when they entered the Hidden Floor.

I honestly don't much about Holan but it seems to be a leader of a new generation even among HR with pudidy , very high talent among HR and it seems he didn't peaked yet .

But here it is, throughout history, do you think there were 70,000 princesses? They were always few and lived in a bloody war, it's not like they all have the same potential as Yuri, that's not the point.

It's not the easiest thing in the world to create a princess, the selection is difficult and time consuming and as I said there is a war between them.

How many died at the hands of 13 months? How many were killed by other families and/or princesses?

Anyway, this is dragging on too long, the point is that yes, I believe that all princesses have the potential to reach the top 100, now whether x will be better than y is another story.

I thought jahad pricess were rare , until i knew that there was shilial , lilial and maria and even yihwa would have been selected .

Sure there were war , but HR don't die that easily to begin with and most princess won't simply die .

I think given the number of princess we saw at regular level , 1000 years there may have been lot of jahad princess yes . Not 70000 but 1000 seems reasonnable and with some killing . There should be 300 at minimum still alive ?

That make it impossible for them to be all top 100 .

 

[Cinera]

Idk about hollan being stronger than YHS or karaka
As spear bearer he maintain a long distance from JH
He probably can’t handle the rain of punches owl is taking.

Yu Hansung himself compared Haland to Evankhell.

AA doesn't know anything about anything

AA knows that Baam defeated and absorbed White's power. And that he went on to absorb Leviathan. Despite all this, he still thinks Maschenny is someone that they need to tread carefully around.

 

[Jubei_Kibagami]

The frog isn't one of seven, and chill dude, traumerai is even sleeping

He's certainly NOT sleeping. We even see his open eyes in this very chapter.

 

[Big-Bird]

With the translation of Bone de Discord we finally have the names of the shineuh:
[ Out of the 23 monsters, one of the 7 Beasts that Traumerei wields himself.
Bumptious Krake ]
[ Out of the 23 monsters, one of the 3 Sea Dragons that Traumerei wields himself.
Raging Rapide]

 

[big094]

would love it if Maschenny and Asensio would come through and snipe (spear) pudidy and holan khun style after bam and jinsung run off.

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With the translation of Bone de Discord we finally have the names of the shineuh:
[ Out of the 23 monsters, one of the 7 Beasts that Traumerei wields himself.
Bumptious Krake ]
[ Out of the 23 monsters, one of the 3 Sea Dragons that Traumerei wields himself.
Raging Rapide]

bumptious krake is simply he greatest TOG name.

 

[aidkim]

AA knows that Baam defeated and absorbed White's power. And that he went on to absorb Leviathan. Despite all this, he still thinks Maschenny is someone that they need to tread carefully around.

Didn't AA only see the end of the fight even after the absorption battle began? "Baam is in trouble, I have to do something." Was his thoughts if I remember correctly. Not getting into the who is stronger and such, just saying AA can't say anything about the Baam/White fight and evaluate who is stronger.

 

[PlotArmouredTitan]

Guys Mas power is unconfimed and in the limbo. Cinera has left the way of the debate and decided to live in peace. Stop baiting the man.

Sigh... its like John Wick 2 all over again

 

[Kunrin]

Yu Hansung himself compared Haland to Evankhell.



AA knows that Baam defeated and absorbed White's power. And that he went on to absorb Leviathan. Despite all this, he still thinks Maschenny is someone that they need to tread carefully around.

AA always pampers Bam, even the characters themselves have said it, even when Bam is about to go to war with Jahad, AA will still be worrying about Bam like he's his Wife. And really, what does he know? How can he gauge a HR's strength properly when he can't even exchange blows with an Advanced Ranker?

 

[Cinera]

There should be 300 at minimum still alive ?

That make it impossible for them to be all top 100 .

SIU said there were 28 Princesses initially. A new Princess is chosen once every several hundred years. And the Princesses are in an eternal death match with each other, so many Princesses do die.

Like Jinsung , do you think he couldn't beat a jahad princess off his generation ? Do you think Lyborick , White , Evankhell couldn't fight jahad princess ?

Yes. White was originally defeated by a Zahard Princess.

Didn't AA only see the end of the fight even after the absorption battle began? "Baam is in trouble, I have to do something." Was his thoughts if I remember correctly. Not getting into the who is stronger and such, just saying AA can't say anything about the Baam/White fight and evaluate who is stronger.

He still saw Baam absorb White and become much stronger:

 

[Ignorant]

Yu Hansung himself compared Haland to Evankhell.



AA knows that Baam defeated and absorbed White's power. And that he went on to absorb Leviathan. Despite all this, he still thinks Maschenny is someone that they need to tread carefully around.

Lol assumption bro.
he get that impression.. that guy obviously is not match for EVK

 

[Jubei_Kibagami]

With the translation of Bone de Discord we finally have the names of the shineuh:
[ Out of the 23 monsters, one of the 7 Beasts that Traumerei wields himself.
Bumptious Krake ]
[ Out of the 23 monsters, one of the 3 Sea Dragons that Traumerei wields himself.
Raging Rapide]

Hmm. Literally *Kraken*.

 

[sazon]

one of the 3 Sea Dragons that Traumerei wields himself.

Maschenny is the second

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Those are general quote , for most great family member , even very talented one they won't be able to beat jahad pirncess , but there exception guy that only appear every 1000 thousand years .

Like Jinsung , do you think he couldn't beat a jahad princess off his generation ? Do you think Lyborick , White , Evankhell couldn't fight jahad princess ?

I don't really understand your point here, it's not like princesses are absolute in the tower.

 

[aidkim]

He still saw Baam absorb White and become much stronger.

There is a difference in AA seeing Baam dominate/stay in a very good position versus HR White, absorb White and him not seeing that, only seeing him struggle versus Kalawan and then seeing him absorb White.

 

[brzytki]

1000 years in the tower is nothing.

You know the empire alone is tens of thousands of years old, right? Not to mention hundreds.

Also it's not like the Kaiser stood still, of course, she was limited but honed her fishiman skills.

I wouldn't say it's nothing, especially when it comes to one's growth. If she was at her peak at that time, she could've hibernated for twice as much and she still would be ok. But the problem is she hadn't reached her peak at the time, so she lost "her best years" and as i said before i believe her potential declined. Yes, she still practiced but there were no challanges, no impulses that would push her hard to break her limits. For one, she trained in the same concentration of shinso and we all have seen Dragonball to know how crucial it can be.

But my point was never that they were more talented than Androssi.

I'm talking specifically about the talents within the LPB family.

My point has always been: it's hard to believe that Hollam is the biggest talent in the family because he's never encountered any diversity on his own level and for the existence of the 3 I mentioned.

Fair enough. I only wanted to point out that the twins weren't that talented. Sure, they were selected to be princesses which means they aren't ordinary at the very least but that alone doesn't mean they were of great talent. As for your claims about Holan not encountering any princesses or Arie, that's your assumption. We don't really know. You also said in on of your responses about him that he "hasn't seen much of the world". I mean, he has climbed the Tower, he has been living for, let's say, 1000 years, he is a(n advanced ?) ranker, he's been around some of the most powerful people. That talk about him not encountering any diveristy of his own level is headcanon. You might say you don't believe his claim and that he's arrogant but there is no basis for you to say what you said. Bacause maybe he did encounter them and maybe he did defeat them (princesses, Aries and/or anyone else with similar potentail).

Yes, but Koon is not Aries.

Maschenny's line to Han is for all families, even if you're talented, princesses and Arie are trouble.

Again, they are trouble for a) political reasons when it comes to princesses, b) strength when princesses and Arie are concerned, not for their potential. They can be strong with little room for improvements.

 

[big094]

Is AA ever going to get any backclash for lying to Baam about his dead friends?

I mean, if the plot armour doesnt protect them, surely they have a few more to die here. if all of team bam survives this nest, they may as well rap up to tower climbing phase of this story right now.

 

[Turtle hunter]

I'm not belittling the top 100, I'm just saying that I do believe all princesses have the potential for the top 100.

You confuse potential with strength, it doesn't mean that if Lilial makes the top 100 she will be stronger than Yuri or Maschenny.

And I'm not even saying it takes 100 years for that.

Having the potential and achieving are two different things, Enne only needed 400 years (estimate) for that, while Yuri will at least need 1000 years (estimate), but that doesn't change the fact that both can achieve it.

We don't have the global situation so yes, with what little we have we can speculate.

If you want a real statistical sample, complain to SIU, not to me.

We know that the LPB and Ha family have two "regents" each, is that enough to AFFIRM that all 10 families are like that? No, but it's enough for you to create a speculation based on that.

Yes, I believe any princess has the potential for that, but I never said that was the absolute truth.

Also because the top 100 is just a parameter, there is no real thing, because there is a blue hole.

And understand, I'm not saying that every princess in history has already made it to the top 100 or that they are the strongest there, but rather that they have the potential to do so.

That is fine , think we just it is just that the story is moving too fast , se understanding where one talent can get you is difficult .

Do you also think that Ran and Anak can reach that level ?

My personnal take is that top 100 is way too hard and there is no category outside of being a irregular , a axis or a guardian that allow to be top 100 with enough time and for every member off that " race " .

SII never said most princess were destined to be top 100 with enough time . In fact he even said that not all princess were gifted 13 months .

Okay if it is only a speculation , it is okay .

As for the regents , in reality we would need more info , it is like the DD thing where it depend from family to family . Sure you can make theory , but in the it is only a theory .

 

[aidkim]

I mean, if the plot armour doesnt protect them, surely they have a few more to die here. if all of team bam survives this nest, they may as well rap up to tower climbing phase of this story right now.

Someone should die yeah, but I'm just pissed that Baam is having no reaction to Khun lying to him about something so major. Maybe it will come later, though I doubt it.

 

[PlotArmouredTitan]

With the translation of Bone de Discord we finally have the names of the shineuh:
[ Out of the 23 monsters, one of the 7 Beasts that Traumerei wields himself.
Bumptious Krake ]
[ Out of the 23 monsters, one of the 3 Sea Dragons that Traumerei wields himself.
Raging Rapide]

This is even worse than I thought. So 4 out of 10 LPB's summons are struggling with CC-level characters?