Chapter Tower of God Chapter 537 Spoilers & Discussion

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The translated chapter is out!


From Shiin ^_^
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Im waiting for it too cause I did a quick skim with the last pages and can't find any except snippets from here and someone's mobile translation in Twitter. Though it should be sometime soon within the week (I don't know much what happened to the usual translator but I hope they're doing fine)
@axolotl sorry for the delay
 

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Translated chapter[by alpha scans]----
@Demonspeed @Lady pompom please pin
 

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Which probably would have been the better outcome, all things considered.
Holan talking about being the greatest LPB talent, helps to support Baam’s growth!

Who exactly is going to manage that, unless he turns on Zahard?
My theory is he’s supporting Gustang! And he’ll be facing Eduan. Remember Gustang’s interaction with White on FoD, he said White had another purpose! Vicente is definitely up to something and his flashbacks make it seem like he’s been planning something for a long time!
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Immortality is not invincibility.
 

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Baam was fairly stupid to leave his friends with Maschenny. They should have left in their own ship that they brought to the Nest. Having them stay with her allows for them to be used as leverage against him. You'd think he'd learn after about eight billion instances of hostages being used to his detriment.
 

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Who exactly is going to manage that, unless he turns on Zahard?
Even Zahard can't kill him; excluding Bloodmadder, the other Family Leaders all have the immortality contract.
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Baam was fairly stupid to leave his friends with Maschenny. They should have left in their own ship that they brought to the Nest. Having them stay with her allows for them to be used as leverage against him. You'd think he'd learn after about eight billion instances of hostages being used to his detriment.
This doesn't matter since Maschenny is stronger than him and doesn't need hostages to get him to do what she wants.

Baam and Co will be leaving the Nest aboard Maschenny's ship, so it's not like he's not coming back for them. Maschenny wouldn't be going anywhere with them either. There's no real opportunity for them to be used as hostages in the 20 minutes before she activates the Warp Drive. If there's any stupidity in this action, it's trusting Maschenny to take them where they want to go. But leaving his friends on Maschenny's ship after already deciding to trust his safety to her isn't any more stupid.
 

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Baam and Co will be leaving the Nest aboard Maschenny's ship
That might be 'the plan' but I'll believe it when it actually happens. Baam has too many independent means of cutting his own escape between the Second Thorn and the soul burning arrow. I don't think he's leaving with Maschenny. Traumerei isn't going to just let him go. It might be a useful way of splitting him away from that group though, and then reintroducing Koon and Maria without Baam being around to act as a counterbalance to any shifting loyalties.

But if they do end up split, then it will still have been a bad choice on Baam's part to leave them with the witch.
 

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Seems like Traumerei is using the shineuh as bait and trap.
My theory is he’s supporting Gustang! And he’ll be facing Eduan. Remember Gustang’s interaction with White on FoD, he said White had another purpose! Vicente is definitely up to something and his flashbacks make it seem like he’s been planning something for a long time!
I think Eduan is on Gustang side, even data Gustang only trust data Eduan.

Looks like Vicente/White is the one who will setup Baam vs Arie Hon.

Remember that Zahard turned Arie Hon into his follower by defeating him 10 times? I think Baam will defeat Arie Hon following Zahard's footstep, though not necessarily 10 times.
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If there's any stupidity in this action, it's trusting Maschenny to take them where they want to go. But leaving his friends on Maschenny's ship after already deciding to trust his safety to her isn't any more stupid.
I wonder what is AA thinking about the situation.
 

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Seems like there's a lot of controversy regarding Traumerei's strength this chapter...
In my opinion, this chapter's display does feel underwhelming and makes Traumerei's summons look weak, but I don't think that necessarily means Traumerei himself is weak. Though, if his summons account for, let's say, 50% of his battle power, then that would be really disappointing regarding Irregular lore so far. If his summons can't even take a CC 1 on 1 and they really are a significant part of his power, then the "regulars are bugs" narrative really is just an arrogant bravado.

Now, this is just my baseless opinion, but I think eventually some regulars will match the FH's in the war against the empire, that's what the Acrynak and the ancients, Phantafish, Ancient hack instakill GG spear and all the regulars'/towerborn asspulls makes me believe. Also, Urek fighting Karaka and Hell Joe didn't make me feel like there's this bug level of difference between them. Based on his used power percentage, Urek seems to be equal to 100~200 Karakas or 10 Hell Joes. That doesn't seem much bug like to me, and taking that into consideration, it would seem fair to assume that Traumerei's summons and himself would be around 50~80 times stronger than a CC.
I believe Traumerei's anima thing is much more a personality trait, like he gets some kick out of controlling people and monsters and making them fight while he watches, than the summons being an integral part of his own fighting capabilities. But I don't think he is so superior and unreachable on the long run.
 
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I wonder what is AA thinking about the situation.
AA thought that he could rely on Baam of all people to lie to Maschenny:


Baam is sweating and can't even look Maschenny in the eyes while lying to her (SIU even outright says that he is incapable of lying).

AA must be high on hopium. He seems to expect Maschenny to keep her promise of letting them escape. I'm guessing that he believes they successfully deceived her.


That might be 'the plan' but I'll believe it when it actually happens. Baam has too many independent means of cutting his own escape between the Second Thorn and the soul burning arrow. I don't think he's leaving with Maschenny. Traumerei isn't going to just let him go. It might be a useful way of splitting him away from that group though, and then reintroducing Koon and Maria without Baam being around to act as a counterbalance to any shifting loyalties.

But if they do end up split, then it will still have been a bad choice on Baam's part to leave them with the witch.
That's a nice turn of events. Though Baam thought that he would have been leading his friends into danger. Maschenny told him that there was a serious situation going on, but that she recommended that only him go and check it out:
 

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I really doubt Maschenny even believed a single thing Baam and Khun said.Now her rescue plan whether it becomes a help for Baam or create a new problem for him remains to be seen.


Though i believe Maschenny from the very first intended for Baam to have whatever was inside the Suspendium.
 

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Though i believe Maschenny from the very first intended for Baam to have whatever was inside the Suspendium.
She probably believes that she will have the leisure to grab and squeeze his fruit about it once they've gotten out of the current mess.

It remains to be seen whether he'll leaving with her or if she even has the power to coerce him when he's not preoccupied with bigger problems. She would be far from the first person to completely misread the strength of her hand when it comes to dealing with Baam.
 

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Which probably would have been the better outcome, all things considered.
Even if it's Bam he's facing, as long as Bam isn't serious, then Holan shouldn't go down like a bitch.
 

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Traumerei beast's handling the light work. Feelsbadman
 

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SIU already said that one Fang Yama was as strong as Evankhell, and that same version of Yama was not Corps Commander tier (see him getting wrecked by Yasratcha). Even with Two Fangs, he hasn't shown himself to be stronger than Yasratcha.
I think there's some sort of misunderstanding here. The version of Yama that was compared to Evankhell and Khel Hellam (who you never address as someone weaker than CCs despite him also being compared to 1 Fang Yama) was a version we haven't seen and that we'll never see due to him acquiring the 2nd Fang and growing somewhat stronger than when he had 1 Fang. That is, we don't have any clue as to how strong is that version of Yama.

Also, let's not act as if the main reason Yasratcha was able to wreck Yama like that wasn't the Fear Hax. The fight looked fairly even before it started to kick in substantially (of course, Yas is well more skilled than him but as far as overall stats go I'd argue he isn't really superior to 1 Fang Yama).

Let's not forget that Evankhell challenged Kallavan 3 on 1 at the Last Station.
Evankhell initially showed up and faced him alone without any fear at all of him. This was an Evankhell that:
  • Had yet to Decompress.
  • Had yet to use Multiple Orbs. She can summon up to four but was only using one.
And it's also not even 100% sure that she was using the Primeval Flame. There was no name drop of that in the Last Station either. Even if she was (which I think is most likely the case), the above two points should both be significant power-ups she still had in reserve and in spite of not using them:
  • She quite easily blocked all of EoV Kallavan's enraged punches and Backlash Bomber. This Kallavan still had the power to wreck both of Jinsung's arms as if they were made of butter.
  • Her Death Sentence stopped Kallavan in his tracks, making him scream and forcing him to use Atomic Explosion to get the Regulars.
  • After this, she stopped him yet again with her flames and Festival of Flames was able to make Kallavan get on his knees panting heavily.
Was Kallavan weakened and tired from his fight against Jinsung? Most likely yes, he should have been substantially weakened (I mean, look at that hole and SIU emphasizing High Rankers getting tired after 1/2 good fights in this Nest Arc), although him still being in good shape enough to completely destroy Jinsung's arms as if they were made of butter suggests that at least his firepower alone didn't decrease all that much, if at all. It's worth noting that Evankhell wasn't even remotely close to going all-out too.

And also, let's not kid ourselves. Yuri and Karaka didn't do squat in that fight. Evankhell never asked for their assistance, they just butted in. Karaka can't harm Kallavan at all and he was getting overwhelmed just by the shockwaves of Kalla and Evankhell clashing. By the level of that fight, he was the definition of canon fodder. Yuri could perhaps be able to tickle him if she used Rose Shower or Kranos, but she just used nameless Ignited GA strikes, the same strikes that Karaka can block without much trouble using his Steel Tree. She wasn't going to damage Kallavan at all with that either.

Basically, Evankhell could have done the exact same things as she did even if Yuri and Karaka never showed up. It's true that SIU made it sound like they were significant when he made Evankehll say: "You think you can handle the three of us together?", but at the end of the day what we were shown was Evankhell doing 99% of the work by herself.

Evankhell herself admitted that there were several people who were stronger than her in the Zahard Army and Great Families:
She definitely believes herself to be capable of killing Yasratcha, knowing fully well he's a Corps Commander of Zahard's Army. So, whoever she believes to be inferior to in Zahard's Army, it's not Yasratcha. Neither Kallavan judging by her interactions with him and how good she already performed without being remotely close to going all-out (granted, Kallavan was most likely considerably weakened as well).

Though this statement is a good precedent for the Corps Commanders of the lower number Squadrons being well beyond the Corps Commanders we're seeing right now. That, or Adori has other subordinates that are monsters on their own without being assigned the role of Corps Commander (like Lyborick, but even better).

As for the Great Families, so far the Family Head and the 2 (?, we don't know if other Great Families have more or less) Regents seem to be the most likely choices. This doesn't put her beneath CCs at all, since all these people are supposed to be unreachable for CC Tier threats (which is what current Evankhell more or less is, at least without the hypothetical Full Release if she's able to do it).

This is basically admitting that Corps Commanders and Top 5 of the Great Families are above her.
Kek. That's just your own interpretation. An interpretation that makes little sense with what we've seen so far btw. Her feats against EoV Kallavan at the LS without coming remotely close to going all-out, her confidence in handling him or Yas, her being regarded as the most dangerous from FUG's side (despite Prime White being there as a CC Tier threat), Khel Hellam seemingly putting her on a higher pedestal than 1 Fang Yama (who Jinsung believes to be "so strong") all point in one direction: her being at least on the CC Tier (and since so far we haven't heard of people that are well beyond CCs and that aren't the 2 Regents and the FH in a Great Family, that's why the interpretation of only the FH and the 2 Regents being the only ones above her is the most sensible with the info we have so far).

And she was again compared to the likes of Pudidy, Haland and Perseus (all people weaker than CC tier) by Hansung Yu. Evankhell is simply not CC tier.
Hansung's statement is dubious for a couple of reasons:

1. It's based on his initial perception of them. Note that he used "might" or "even" (depending on the translation it's both), which indicates that at best they might be on her level. It's not meant to be taken as: "they're all on par with Evankhell" but that they could perhaps (even) be on her level. It's not a certain statement. Hansung is just making guesses after seeing them for the first time in his life.

2. This is actually the most important: it's at least a not fully accurate statement. It's not fully accurate because it strongly portrays Haland on the same level as Pudidy and Perseus, while that is not the case as we see later on.

Haland can't handle CCs, that much is clear from what we've seen and what we've been told so far. From where are you getting Pudidy, Perseus and Whitegarment being clearly weaker than CCs though? Pudidy told Haland to stay back as support because he can't handle Jinsung. That suggests Pudidy believes himself as someone capable of handling Jinsung. Judging by all his feats so far, he's doing a pretty good job against him. I wouldn't say he's exactly CC Tier yet with what he's shown, but considering he's missing what appears to be his main asset (the Eagle Owl), it's not at all far-fetched him being at CC Tier (even more so if he can make Dobo help him) if he's not nerfed. Perseus and Whitegarment still are lacking in feats, but they haven't had bad starts (especially Whitegarment).

Evankhell was neg diffed by someone that's in all likelihood weaker than Pudidy. She's crazy overrated on this forum and the fandom, no matter how many times SIU drives in to us that she's not all that.

You can say that she's tired, but Kallavan was even more tired, and while Lyborick slapped him a bit, he didn't deal any critical damage.
Kallavan is a tanking machine. His body is made to take hits, even if he's weakened. In contrast, how many hits have you seen Evankhell take directly with her own body? Right, only the super bullet. It's clear she's not even remotely close to being as much of a tank as Kallavan is. Her fighting style is simply different and she excels in other things. So it's pretty much obvious a direct hit on her body is going to affect her much more than Kallavan.

It's also worth noting that the tired Kallavan was going with everything he had on Lyborick. This isn't the case for Evankhell, who still had to use Partial Release and use more than one Orb when she was stabbed by Whitegarment (on top of being tired ofc).

Whitegarment can literally start one-sidedly overwhelming Partial Release Decompressed Evankhell with multiple Orbs in the next chapter and not even that would prove she's stronger than her, in the same way Lyborick one-sidedly overwhelming a tired EoV Kallavan doesn't necessarily prove he's stronger than Kallavan on his optimal conditions.

So yeah, your Evankhell disrespect is pretty unwarranted. There's a lot more of evidence in her favour rather than the opposite IMO.
 
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Seems like there's a lot of controversy regarding Traumerei's strength this chapter...
In my opinion, this chapter's display does feel underwhelming and makes Traumerei's summons look weak, but I don't think that necessarily means Traumerei himself is weak. Though, if his summons account for, let's say, 50% of his battle power, then that would be really disappointing regarding Irregular lore so far. If his summons can't even take a CC 1 on 1 and they really are a significant part of his power, then the "regulars are bugs" narrative really is just an arrogant bravado.

Now, this is just my baseless opinion, but I think eventually some regulars will match the FH's in the war against the empire, that's what the Acrynak and the ancients, Phantafish, Ancient hack instakill GG spear and all the regulars'/towerborn asspulls makes me believe. Also, Urek fighting Karaka and Hell Joe didn't make me feel like there's this bug level of difference between them. Based on his used power percentage, Urek seems to be equal to 100~200 Karakas or 10 Hell Joes. That doesn't seem much bug like to me, and taking that into consideration, it would seem fair to assume that Traumerei's summons and himself would be around 50~80 times stronger than a CC.
I believe Traumerei's anima thing is much more a personality trait, like he gets some kick out of controlling people and monsters and making them fight while he watches, than the summons being an integral part of his own fighting capabilities. But I don't think he is so superior and unreachable on the long run.
i want all of this to be true except for the power scaling, the moment Urek doesn’t dwarf anyone under his ranking is when i’ll scream power imbalance. we don’t know but Traumerei could be the weakest of all the family heads.
 

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It appears that the 'Leviathan tint' in Baam's eyes is gone now. I wonder if that's intentional or if SIU just forgot to keep drawing it?
 

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I don't think it means he has or control the three Sea Dragons. But SIU suddenly introduced a class of Shinheuh. I doubt among his seven he has 3 dragons.
No, I think you have it wrong.
There are 23 Beasts of Lo Po Bia.
Of those 23, there are 7 that Traumerei personally wields.
Of those 7, 3 of them are dragons.

This forms the hierarchy of the Kaiju; 3 > 7 > 23.

All 23 Beasts belong to Traumerei.
 
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