Discussion Tower of God Naming Conventions are an Inconsistent Mess

[Cinera]

Introduction
There is simply no consistent and universal protocol for interpreting names in Tower of God. Instead, what we have is an inconsistent mess of different conventions applied differently across various characters.



A Simple Example
Take "Khun Marco Asensio".

"Khun" is his Family name. What's "Marco"? What's "Asensio"? The other members of his Family (Maschenny and Eduan) call him "Asensio", so it seems like Asensio is his first name (there is simply no explanation for why Maschenny or Eduan would address him by his mother's Family name or by his Branch name).

Is Marco then his Mother's Family name? Or the name of the Branch he was born into? It shouldn't be the name of the Branch he founded. Asensio was already "Khun Marco Asensio" as a Regular on the Hidden Floor.

"Khun Hynd Luch" also has his first name appear at the end of his name (Dowon, and his friends in the Hidden Grove call him "Luch" instead of "Hynd". Until we're told otherwise, it makes the most sense to assume that his name is "Luch").



More Examples
What about "Ari Bright Sharon"? Which is her first name? "Sharon" or "Bright"? What is the other? A (maternal) Family name or a Branch name?

Same for "Khun Royale Elliot"?

But "Khun Aguero Agnis" has his first name appear in the middle, and his maternal Family name appear at the end.

AA in particular is different from Asensio, Elliot, Sharon and Luch because we know that "Agnis" is his mother's Family name. While we don't know what's up with the extra names of the other Khun sons.



The Comprehensive Rulebook
As far as I can tell, this is a comprehensive list of the different naming examples/conventions in the Tower:

1. People with only one name:
   • Boro
   • Parakewl
2. People from just one Great Family always have their Family name come first:
   • Ha Jinsung
   • Yeon Yihwa
   • Lo Po Bia Elaine
   • Arie Hoaquin
3. People from a single (non Great) Family that have their Family name come last:
   • Quant Blitz
   • Quatro Blitz
   • Sachi Faker
4. People from a single (non Great) Family that have their Family name come first:
   • David Hockney
   • Baylord Yama
   • Baylord Doom
5. People from paternal Families whose maternal Family name comes last:
   • Khun Aguero Agnes
6. Are there any people for whom the maternal Family name comes second?
   • Potential Examples
     • Khun Marco Asensio?
     • Khun Hynd Luch?
7. People from a Great Family without the Family name but a Branch name:
   • Examples
     • Phonesekal Irure
     • Phonesekal Laure
     • Phonesekal Drak
8. Are there any examples where the Branch name comes last?
   • A potential example might be "Kendrick Diel"?
     • We know he was born into a Great Family, and it's not clear which of "Kendrick" or "Diel" is his first name
9. Are there any people with both a Family name and a Branch name?
   • Potential Examples
     • Ari Bright Sharon?
     • Khun Royale Elliot?
10. People from two Great Families with only one Family name:
    • Eurasia Enne
11. People from Two Great Families with their first name in the middle:
    • Po Bidau Lyborick Khun
12. People from two Great Families with their first name last:
    • Lo Po Bia Ha Satcha
13. People from a named Great Family Branch, but the Branch Family name is not part of their name:
    • Khun Ran
    • Khun Maschenny (Jr.)
    • Ha Novick
    • Arie Inieta
14. The Zahard Family name always appears last:
    • Arie Hon Zahard
    • Eurasia Enne Zahard
    • Jaina Repellista Zahard
    • Endorsi Zahard
    • Alphid Zahard

Please let me know of any other rules or conventions I missed.



Conclusions
There are at least a dozen different naming rules and conventions in the Tower. As far as I can tell, there are only two consistent naming rules across the Tower:

1. People from just one Great Family always have their Family name come first.
2. The Zahard Family name always appears last.

No other naming conventions have enough examples for us to be confident that the rules they encapsulate are enforced consistently and universally. Basing anything on them is sheer idiocy.

Is SIU even conscious about the 13 rules I listed above? Does he rigorously adhere to guidelines unbeknownst to us when naming characters? Or is he just winging it?







@sazon, @Jubei_Kibagami, @kkck, @lazybum, @Yelnats.

 

[kkck]

Kinda? I figured there was something about korean naming conventions I was missing.

 

[Demonspeed]

I think there is consistency for the Princesses at least. I am not sure about the rest.

 

[O_n_Sly]

Ha Satcha is not LPB tho! She’s was never recognized by the family! Yas kept the name out of spite!

 

[Cinera]

I think there is consistency for the Princesses at least. I am not sure about the rest.

Yeah, the Zahard name always comes last.

The only other consistent convention is that for people from only one Great Family, the Family name comes first.

Kinda? I figured there was something about korean naming conventions I was missing.

No, it's not Korean naming conventions. SIU has several wildly different protocols for naming characters.

 

[Yelnats]

Just like real world have many different cultures and naming format, the tower also have different naming format depending on their respective culture.

Btw, where do you put Arlene Grace?

"Khun" is his Family name. What's "Marco"? What's "Asensio"? The other members of his Family (Maschenny and Eduan) call him "Asensio", so it seems like Asensio is his first name (there is simply no explanation for why Maschenny or Eduan would address him by his mother's Family name or by his Branch name).

Is Marco then his Mother's Family name? Or the name of the Branch he was born into? It shouldn't be the name of the Branch he founded. Asensio was already "Khun Marco Asensio" as a Regular on the Hidden Floor.

"Khun Hynd Luch" also has his first name appear at the end of his name (Dowon, and his friends in the Hidden Grove call him "Luch" instead of "Hynd". Until we're told otherwise, it makes the most sense to assume that his name is "Luch").

Some Khun member put mother/maternal family name at the end of their name but is not mandatory, there are those not containing maternal family name, for example: Khun Ran, Khun Icardi

Khun Marco Asensio and Khun Hynd Luch might not contain maternal family name at all. Their name might be given name and middle name. Marco Asensio in particular is taken directly from one footballer (Marco Asensio who currently played at Real Madrid).

Speaking of Khun family, their naming convention is usually based on football (soccer), mostly but not limited to Argentinian (Marco Asensio is Spanish). Maschenny and Ran as sibling seems to be a pun of Mascherano name. Any idea where the name Kiseia, Royal Elliot, Lyborick might come from? Is Kiseia from Cisse (but he is not Argentinian/Spanish)? Is Royal taken from Real in Real Madrid?

 

[Cinera]

Just like real world have many different cultures and naming format, the tower also have different naming format depending on their respective culture.

Btw, where do you put Arlene Grace?

Oh, wow, she's the exception to the rule.

"Grace Mircea Luslec" and "Jue Viole Grace" are also noteworthy examples, exceptions. I'll need to edit my claims regarding Great Family naming conventions.

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Some Khun member put mother/maternal family name at the end of their name but is not mandatory, there are those not containing maternal family name, for example: Khun Ran, Khun Icardi

Ran's maternal Family name is "Khun". His mother's name is "Khun Maschenny" ("Maschenny" is her first name and "Khun" is her Family name).

Icardi and Hatchuling may also be in a similar situation. Or perhaps their mothers were people without a Family name.

Contrast with AA, where his mother's Family name is "Agnis".

So I wouldn't really say that some members of the Khun Family leave out the maternal Family name. We only know the maternal Family name of a few Khun children:

• AA
  • Maternal Family name: Agnis
  • Full name: "Khun Aguero Agnis"
• Maschenny
  • Maternal Family name: "Khun"
  • Full name: "Khun Maschenny Zahard"
• Ran
  • Maternal Family name: "Khun"
  • Full name: "Khun Ran"

 

[Theorist05]

I’m guess the point SIU is trying to make is if the mother(or father)comes from a significant family in the the tower(other than the ten great families), then the child gets both names, but if they’re any normal person in the tower than they only get that one family name e.g Ha jinsung, Ehwa Yeon, etc.

 

[Fortress of Solitude]

• Maschenny
  • Maternal Family name: "Khun"
  • Full name: "Khun Maschenny Zahard"
• Ran
  • Maternal Family name: "Khun"
  • Full name: "Khun Ran"

Khun Maschenny Zahard and Khun Ran have the same mother Khun Maschenny, it's only natural that Khun appears only once for the children since she is from the same familly than Khun Edan. But who are Khun Maschenny' parents?

 

[Yelnats]

Ran's maternal Family name is "Khun". His mother's name is "Khun Maschenny" ("Maschenny" is her first name and "Khun" is her Family name).

Wait... are you saying Khun Eduan marrying his own daughter??? Maschenny (the mother) was called as Khun Maschenny not because her family name is Khun but because her husband is Khun Eduan which bear surname Khun.

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Hatchuling

Hatchuling is not his real name.

 

[kkck]

We don't know if mascheny's mother is born khun or not. It's a possibility but it is by no means confirmed. I am inclined to thinking she married into the family since her breeding with eduan produced mascheny style lightning spear. Basically, mascheny style would be the product of a new bloodline mixing with the khun bloodline. Of course, it's possible that it originated a generation before though the incest scenario IMO remains the least likely.

 

[Fortress of Solitude]

We don't know if mascheny's mother is born khun or not.

Khun Ran always saids "Mascheny style ..." so his mother training him from his young age, means she is a Khun and a strong one.
The first time I saw "Mascheny style ..." I thought about Mascheny Zahard until I know the name of the mother.

 

[Ignorant]

He named khuns after latin and hispanic names
You don’t know but in this side of the world
We have two names and two last name
Due to use SIU soccer players names in the khun family you going to see a lot of this.. is simple culture. I got two names and two last name too.

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there’s not meaning behind these two names in khun family.. as hispanic i always understood SIU here.

 

[Jubei_Kibagami]

No idea, but I wish SIU would have a bit of fun with the names.

I'm waiting for Lo Po Bia Atch. And Arie Re. Tu Perie Winkle.

With the recent naming of the LPB summons, I feel like he's now at the point of

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Per today's chapter:

Rei's shinwonryu, full of all his creatures, is called... allcreature.

I rest my case, your honor.

 

[Cinera]

Wait... are you saying Khun Eduan marrying his own daughter??? Maschenny (the mother) was called as Khun Maschenny not because her family name is Khun but because her husband is Khun Eduan which bear surname Khun.

Yes, Eduan married his daughter. AA's Mother has the Family name "Agnis" and not the Family name "Khun". So Eduan's wives are not given the Khun Family name.

Ran's mother has the Family name "Khun" because she was born into the Khun Family. It's that simple.

Hatchuling is not his real name.

Source?

We don't know if mascheny's mother is born khun or not. It's a possibility but it is by no means confirmed. I am inclined to thinking she married into the family since her breeding with eduan produced mascheny style lightning spear. Basically, mascheny style would be the product of a new bloodline mixing with the khun bloodline. Of course, it's possible that it originated a generation before though the incest scenario IMO remains the least likely.

AA's mother married into the Khun Family and does not have the Khun Family name. Her Family name is "Agnis":


Season 1 Episode 12 Blog Post

Khun is a character I am personally attached to somewhat.
Out of the 3 main characters, perhaps he is the most human.
He acts cool and tough, but he actually sways a lot and he is sensitive.
There has been lots of questions about Khun’s bloodline,
As seen in this chapter, he is a son of the Khun Family, one of the 10 Great Families.

Agnes is his mother’s family name.

Marrying Eduan does NOT confer the Khun Family name. So no, contrary to your claims, incest is the most likely explanation.