Chapter Tower of God Chapter 539 Spoilers & Discussion

[shaheer]

Alpha scans released the latest.. perhaps pin it if it's not already posted
https://alpha-scans.org/tower-of-god-chapter-539/

 

[nivoxtc]

Hwa Ryun

In FUG, there are those who have a grudge against 10 Great Families and Zahard, those who envy what they possess, and those who want to change the Tower. A Slayer is a god who fulfills their wishes... hang in there, my god.Hwa Ryun to Viole Hwa Ryun (화련, Hwaryeon; or "Hwaryun") is Viole's Guide...

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She even call Bam "my stupid god".

For me it's equal as if she called him ''My stupid King''.

''God'' is not a sobriquet for sure, it's a status. Like a FH, King of the Tower and so on.

 

[Jubei_Kibagami]

Sooooo, the posted trans says Rei WILL BE taking Baam's loved ones hostage, not that he HAS. Also, it is pluralized. I guess we'll see more of what the more official trans says later, but it seems Rei has this all planned out and will be holding EVEN FUCKING MORE hostages over Baam's head here.

I was thinking about it. Does Traumerei even know that Baam is a FUG member? I doubt it. Or he probably forgot. Baam is probaby going to mention it, it'll be interesting to see Traumerei's reaction. Maybe we'll learn more about Luslec this way.

I really think it's possible that he didn't even consider it because of his egoism. Not to mention that Luslec isn't an Irregular himself.

He had to think a bit to even remember Baam's name. Someone can also help FUG without being a member like A.A. and co who are only here for Baam, Evankhell too.

Of course he knows (or what else does he think the fighting is about that he references?) - as does Zahard, who is in on this offer apparently - he just doesn't care. The political marriage as an arrangement takes care of that, and he knows it.

The bigger questions is - does Rei know of Baam's lineage (or does this even matter to him)?

Traumerei is basically holding a gun to Baam's head with this offer. If Baam says no he'll annihilate him and everyone else with his Shinwonryu.

Exactly. How coercive and toxic is that? It's like 'you can sleep with me, your choice' while holding a gun to a girl's head. Sure, sure, her 'choice'. Imagine coming home from an unexpected, completely blind date for the father to be waiting with ALL HIS GUNS out, pointed out you (SIU would call this "all guns") saying you have to marry his daughter... but just if you want to. Oh, and he's also saying he'll kidnap your family. But, it's still up to you...

Tra-o probably has the killer whale as a shinheuh. You can see the picture of a whale on his shinwonryu.

I just looked again. I see what looks like a water beetle and a salamander actually. Can you post where you see the whale?

Plus there is YHS's link with Bloodmadder.

You know, someone should make a thread about that.

 

[Lumini]

Yup, I don't understand how FUG works unless their realistic goal wasn't to kill the heads. Now all the higher-ups in FUG know that this shit just isn't possible, some are probably traumatized like Kellehm(not sure of the spelling), so how were they delusional enough to exist.

Even right from the start of it, unless Arlene had a spell that could make the contracts of the family heads void or smth, although that doesn't make sense either. There has to be something major we readers don't know that justifies the rebellion of Arlene and V. Because even if there are grievances, they had no chance. Gustang for example waited for Baam.

Arlene having the means to nullify the immortality contract indeed doesn’t make sense. Because if her affinity for spells allowed her to cancel it, why couldn’t she kill herself when she so desperately wanted to die? So yeah, that doesn’t seem to work.

I don’t believe their aim was necessarily to kill the other Great Warriors, though. Garam said that V and Arlene “formed an organization which opposed Zahard and started a war in order to steal the key which Zahard had”. Killing their friends wouldn’t have done anything good. Given that they were conflicts among the Family Heads, some of them probably didn’t even consider V and Arlene as enemies. Besides, V’s suicide note says “return to your companions”, so their relationship couldn’t have been too bad. I think a lot of it can be boiled down to being a political conflict between the whole group - like we see it happening right now.

My assumption is that FUG as we know it is mainly influenced by how big it’s gotten. It’s a cult, a religion, not an organization led by two Irregulars. The Slayer system is probably something Luslec established, since its FUG’s core, but it’s very weird that he created it. Was it simply his idiocy after everything that went down the line, a wish for revenge? Giving people false hopes? Does he have a master plan like Bam killing the Guardian and thus making the contracts void?

 

[Enryuu]

IDK, If it guaranties his friends safety, he might do it.

They are only in danger now, because they are at the nest. Once they escape and they are back in the only regular zone not even the FH can touch them and interfere there. They would have to use regulars to get to them. And no regular can compete with Baam anymore. Heck not even with Androssi, AA and Rak.

 

[Jubei_Kibagami]

Arlene having the means to nullify the immortality contract indeed doesn’t make sense. Because if her affinity for spells allowed her to cancel it, why couldn’t she kill herself when she so desperately wanted to die? So yeah, that doesn’t seem to work.

I don’t believe their aim was necessarily to kill the other Great Warriors, though. Garam said that V and Arlene “formed an organization which opposed Zahard and started a war in order to steal the key which Zahard had”. Killing their friends wouldn’t have done anything good. Given that they were conflicts among the Family Heads, some of them probably didn’t even consider V and Arlene as enemies. Besides, V’s suicide note says “return to your companions”, so their relationship couldn’t have been too bad. I think a lot of it can be boiled down to being a political conflict between the whole group - like we see it happening right now.

My assumption is that FUG as we know it is mainly influenced by how big it’s gotten. It’s a cult, a religion, not an organization led by two Irregulars. The Slayer system is probably something Luslec established, since its FUG’s core, but it’s very weird that he created it. Was it simply his idiocy after everything that went down the line, a wish for revenge? Giving people false hopes? Does he have a master plan like Bam killing the Guardian and thus making the contracts void?

And yet, she found a method, item, or spell that allowed her to 'escape'... which may actually be harder (leaving the tower) than killing herself. Seeing as she was able to leave her pocket with information about her destination (but it was still in the tower, sooooo....) I think she didn't actually 'leave' the tower or escape it but 'escaped' life by means of suicide, something she was already determined to do. That's one way to 'escape' as a euphemism after all, or 'meet god' (or maybe she just talked to his herald [angel], Enryu, while still in the tower), and it explains how her pocket could still be in the tower if she were outside the tower, writing in her pocket about being outside (that's nonsensical).

 

[Jubei_Kibagami]

V’s suicide note says “return to your companions”, so their relationship couldn’t have been too bad.

btw, welcome, good first post.

But I'm also going to have to call the above into question. Her 'companions' waged war against her, while pregnant at one point, killing her own comrades/subordinates (and those of V as well) and attempting to take the life of her husband, resulting in his suicide anyways, then rallied around the man that ***murdered her newborn***. On top of that they were ideologically opposed to the biggest decision they can make in the tower.

I think that the relationship was about as collapsed as one could be. V was being really naive or something (most likely out of his mind or faking his death), but that suggestion was NEVER an option for Arlen (nor should it have been), and we see this play out.

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The question is how they escape? All of the comrade of baam is scatter around the nest, and the shinwonryu made by traum manage to threaten the whole nest.

Karaka's power.
Or Baam's thorn.
Or whatever Maschenny has in mind.
Or whatever Sophia can do with the exit plan (they have their own teleporter after all)
Or a mix thereof.


The problem is neutralizing Cobalt's powers, and of course Rei himself. Looks like YHS is doing god's work with that.

 

[Yelnats]

There has to be something major we readers don't know that justifies the rebellion of Arlene and V. Because even if there are grievances, they had no chance.

V is not a signatory to the immortality contract. He is an irregular. In both case, just like Baam and Urek, it might be possible for him to kill those who signed the immortality contract, unlike Arlene who can't kill herself.

 

[Enryuu]

The question is how they escape? All of the comrade of baam is scatter around the nest, and the shinwonryu made by traum manage to threaten the whole nest.

The power of plot armor is even stronger then shinwonryu. They’ll figure something out

 

[Jubei_Kibagami]

V is not a signatory to the immortality contract. He is an irregular. In both case, just like Baam and Urek, it might be possible for him to kill those who signed the immortality contract, unlike Arlene who can't kill herself.

While risking his own, mortal life. They couldn't even kill him although mortal, he had to do it himself (or so it is said). What a chad.

 

[Yelnats]

The answer is simple for me, maybe she is come back to tower (she requests that to the god from outside) and hide (because how she can witness the downfall of zahard kingdom if she is outside) after leave behind baam with the god from outside.

Or maybe she left behind her pocket as last message before she took the way to the outside that she discovered.

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While risking his own, mortal life. They couldn't even kill him although mortal, he had to do it himself (or so it is said). What a chad.

Maybe the FH did not personally engage him in combat. Won't risk their life against irregular who doesn't sign the immortality contract.

 

[Jubei_Kibagami]

Or maybe she left behind her pocket as last message before she took the way to the outside that she discovered.

didn't she describe 'outside' though?

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Maybe the FH did not personally engage him in combat.

That still means he was successful from a tower-wide war with a lot of firepower against him.

 

[lazybum]

Or she got excited to be finally free from the Tower that she abandoned all unimportant stuff to her and run away. Still, Rachel got Arlene diary of sort somehow, did Arlene keep multiple diaries???

 

[Jubei_Kibagami]

How would she explain all the stuff happening with Baam... on the outside... while the diary was left inside the tower?

 

[Jubei_Kibagami]

The answer is simple for me, maybe she is comeback to tower and enryu is who protected her.

She left just to come back? The diary reads like it's the last thing she does before she's ever heard of again.

 

[Yelnats]

didn't she describe 'outside' though?

I forget about that detail.

She could have take a look from afar or maybe she got the information from 3rd party. She can also momentarily return after went outside just to leave the last message on her pocket. Or maybe she gave it to Enryu who was about to enter the tower.

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That still means he was successful from a tower-wide war with a lot of firepower against him.

Yes, afterall he was an irregular who made it into the 134th floor. It is hard to kill him unless his equal (the FH) fight him directly.

 

[Jubei_Kibagami]

IMO she certainly met with the agent that was helping her escape (by whatever means), and that had to be Enryu, who is called a 'herald' but acts as an angel to a 'god' (that's what a herald does), and is clearly mobile in and out of the tower, and knows of the events both in and out of the tower (such as Arlen's desecration). He obviously is partial to her, so he knows her in some fashion, and as she 'met up' with the outside god he has met her in some way at some point. If anyone had the ability to cancel her contract and/or take her out of the tower it would be Enryu and/or an entity called a god. So, he ushered her to a more heavenly (stars!) place... which to me just makes it seem like her passing but oh well.

 

[aidkim]

Arlene having the means to nullify the immortality contract indeed doesn’t make sense. Because if her affinity for spells allowed her to cancel it, why couldn’t she kill herself when she so desperately wanted to die? So yeah, that doesn’t seem to work.

I don’t believe their aim was necessarily to kill the other Great Warriors, though. Garam said that V and Arlene “formed an organization which opposed Zahard and started a war in order to steal the key which Zahard had”. Killing their friends wouldn’t have done anything good. Given that they were conflicts among the Family Heads, some of them probably didn’t even consider V and Arlene as enemies. Besides, V’s suicide note says “return to your companions”, so their relationship couldn’t have been too bad. I think a lot of it can be boiled down to being a political conflict between the whole group - like we see it happening right now.

My assumption is that FUG as we know it is mainly influenced by how big it’s gotten. It’s a cult, a religion, not an organization led by two Irregulars. The Slayer system is probably something Luslec established, since its FUG’s core, but it’s very weird that he created it. Was it simply his idiocy after everything that went down the line, a wish for revenge? Giving people false hopes? Does he have a master plan like Bam killing the Guardian and thus making the contracts void?

What I specifically mean is the king contract of Jahad. If it was signed before their little rebellion kicked off, how would they get the key if Jahad just hid it on himself and defended himself when they tried to steal it. Unless V risked himself?

 

[Jubei_Kibagami]

Yes, afterall he was an irregular who made it into the 134th floor. It is hard to kill him unless his equal (the FH) fight him directly.

Genesis was a long, long period and it seems like so was the infighting. I can't imagine he had lots of options and V was described as a 'warlord' which makes me think he was on the front lines. Now, maybe the other FH's didn't get directly involved but I certainly picture V as having been involved in the fighting. Arlen was pregnant for a time as well, and is more a spellcaster type we don't know if she's a war-witch type or avoided war and let her man do it. So, that's a lot of weight on V's shoulders and he still did OK in my book.

 

[aidkim]

They are only in danger now, because they are at the nest. Once they escape and they are back in the only regular zone not even the FH can touch them and interfere there. They would have to use regulars to get to them. And no regular can compete with Baam anymore. Heck not even with Androssi, AA and Rak.

No regular could compete with Baam since he 1v1oned Data Jahad. Wasn't the "If I show hostility I die thing" to signal that everyone in the nest could get killed if Rei wills it? Thats why he is in a position to 'ask' Baam to become a part of his family.

 

[Yelnats]

IMO she certainly met with the agent that was helping her escape (by whatever means), and that had to be Enryu, who is called a 'herald' but acts as an angel to a 'god' (that's what a herald does), and is clearly mobile in and out of the tower, and knows of the events both in and out of the tower (such as Arlen's desecration). He obviously is partial to her, so he knows her in some fashion, and as she 'met up' with the outside god he has met her in some way at some point. If anyone had the ability to cancel her contract and/or take her out of the tower it would be Enryu and/or an entity called a god. So, he ushered her to a more heavenly (stars!) place... which to me just makes it seem like her passing but oh well.

I just reread the chapter.

Arlene: I have finally found a way to get out of this place. A place without Zahard or the administrator. I don't know where that place will be.

Based on those diary, it seems Arlene write it before she went outside. She only know the information about a way out but had not use it firsthand. It means help from other entity/party is highly probable.