Cheers to that.
Maybe good is the wrong word. I suspect Ace probably hadn't drawn out the full potential of the ability since he was only 20, and had barely had time to master that ability. He got his ability at age 17, and died at 20. So compared to characters like Luffy, Law, Kaido, etc... he had much less time to "master" his fruit beyond utilizing it in combat (awakening), where Luffy had his ability since before he even met Ace and Sabo, IIRC, and Law got his as a child as well. Same with Doflamingo (I believe he was given it as a child by Trebol?).
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At the time they didn't mention it like this, but I'm pretty sure Ace was burned simple because Akainu was a better haki user. Since that's what it takes to damage a fellow logia.
Akainu was pretty specific in using the hierarchy of Magma vs Fire. Could be haki related, but it's hard to say back then. These were the days not too far off from when Smoker somehow stalemated Ace.
You can indeed argue that the name of ton ton implies it gets heavier than the kiro kiro no mi, and that it's a property instead of a thing, but the names are just tags people attribute to the power, not the other way around. They're both fruits that allow the user to freely alter his own weight, but they're limited differently: the ton ton can get the user to become heavier than the kiro kiro can, but the ton ton didn't show the ability to make the user lighter (unlike the kiro kiro). Same power, but very different upper and lower limits to it. Transforming into fire may also have well-defined limits that make it so only normal yellowish fire can be generated.
Unless the water itself is a weakness, like with Crocodile, there's nothing stopping any DF user from using their ability with their hands submerged. Luffy did the same thing underwater while in a bubble during Fishman Island.
If I’m correct. Luffy got weak the initial time he did redhawk. But Oven is different as his heat is so hot that he melts the ground. This already puts his fruit hotter than Ace as Ace using his fruit was never shown melting things. Akainu IS magma so he isn’t producing heat but making it. Oven is producing heat and can actually materialize his heat. He can heat up a big portion of the water around whole cake island. By this logic his heat is already hot as magma. I’d argue that aside from haki. Fruit for Fruit Oven has more potential. How old is oven even? Is he the same age as the admirals?
I kinda get what you're trying to say but that's a terrible way of wording it lol. A more clear description would be that heat is a byproduct of Akainu's DF, when it's the central aspect of Oven's DF. I'm not sure what's the point of that distinction though, it's not like we know whether or not the Heat fruit can get hotter than the Magma fruit.
By what we seen his fruit is as hot as magma if not hotter. We seen Akainu magma hit the water and not really boil it. We seen oven walk and melts the ground producing molten rock. That’s the same templates volcanoes are at to heat up the earth. We also seen him BOIL the ocean with just his hand. They had to swim real deep to get out of the heat.
So let me ask you.. just for fun sakes of course lol. If you had the chance to have any of those fruits. Meta, Magma, or Fire? What would you choose? And for argument sake let’s say oven can phase into heat. (Making all the fruit the same type) would you take magma over heat or fire? I always felt that Magma wasn’t more so a unique fruit or take much imagination to use. It’s simply a deadly df. I think my imagation would allow me to do way more things with Heat than Magma
Mera Mera because it's cooler.
That’s fair. I find it hard to like fire style magics/abilities to be likable because they are all so generic. Then again Mereoleona is my favorite. But fair enough.
Yeah, I guess the difference is they affect the temperature of water which is one of the more obvious ways to show off. Luffy can stretch and sure he's moving water around when he does it, but Aokiji changing the physical state of an entire sea or Oven launching those heat waves in the water were pretty insane. Makes me wonder if Whitebeard would of been able to create earthquakes while submerged, or why can't Big Mom create a Homie to rescue herself when she's submerged?
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Dunno man. Most of the super BS abilities we see are paramecia.
Hmm I see I see. Well that makes sense. I think it’s time they give logias some love.