Discussion This is how both BM & Kaido survived.

[Windfall Island]

Don't read this post unless you have read up till chapter 1056.


So i have a theory as to how BM & Kaido both of them MIGHT have survived. Hear me out.

1) Firstly they were in the lava chamber & I cant think of anyone who could go there & save them which is why the volcanic explosion happened immediately afterwards. Potentially that explosion threw them off back onto mainland Wano. After that lets go to chapter 1052.

2)In Chapter 1052, when Gorosei ask CP-0 who had now returned to his WG ship as to atleast if they can have Robin...at that point the communication between Gorosei & Cp-0 on Wg ship starts to be hijacked. See this page:-
https://cdn.onepiecechapters.com/file/CDN-M-A-N/op_tcb_1052morning_003.png
Gorosei : "CP-0 come in" interrupted by Bzzzt Bzzzt.
WG guy on WG ship : "Someone is hijacking our signal"
Mystery figure : "Listen up. Stay where you are i am on my way"
WG guy on WG ship :" who is this ?"
This Mystery figure was Smoothie & BMP (as we will see later in chapter 1053) & with her saying "Listen up . Stay where you are i am on my way". That sure sounds like she is on her way to rescue atleast BM.

3)But how do we know for sure that it was BMP ? See chapter 1053 this panel :-
https://cdn.onepiecechapters.com/file/CDN-M-A-N/op_tcb_1053_new_001.png
Morgans : "Cipher Pol's transmission from Wano broke off right after they spotted Big Mom's ship."

So there you have it. Smoothie finally being useful & quite possibly Oda setting things up in a way to explain how BM & Kaido got rescued.
Oda has said this in his sbs/interview once that he generally doesnt like to kill his characters so that he could bring them back whenever he feels like it later.
And also with BM saying at the end to Kidd & Law that dont they think that this is the last of her...I am sure BM might be on elbaf as well.
BM's df powers allow for a unique possibility of sacrificing her remaining lifespan to temporarily powerup to someone beyond yonko lvl strength & 1v1 Luffy if you think her appearing would be boring from power lvl POV, oda can fix things via this route as well.

 

[Sefirosu]

I don't know if Kaido survived or not, but BM definitely did. Otherwise, it make no sense for Oda to kill her off right after she said "don't think this will be the last of her" before getting blasted away by Kidd.

Edit: Yes, just read the last part of your post =))

 

[Windfall Island]

I don't know if Kaido survived or not, but BM definitely did. Otherwise, it make no sense for Oda to kill her off right after she said "don't think this will be the last of her" before getting blasted away by Kidd.

Edit: Yes, just read the last part of your post =))

yup agreed. Actually i thought that since the alliance between BM & Kaido is still intact & both were lying in the magma chamber right next to each other so it would be pretty odd if smoothie & BMPs just saved BM while Kaido would be right next to her. (This is assuming both were thrown out onto the main wano land due to volcanic eruption).

 

[Fox666]

Kaido and Big Mom were launched out of Wano by the eruption. I'm sure they survived.

The question is their state... is it possible their bodies lost its hardness after bathing in lava?

 

[grey matter]

The question is their state... is it possible their bodies lost its hardness after bathing in lava?

Yes, definitely IMO, if they survived.

At least for BM, the hardness is specifically haki related, implied to be advanced conqueror's haki.
Because when Caramel's picture broke, BM could be damaged by regular attacks

As for Kaido, he is an oni, and a mythical dragon zoan. So he is hard even without haki.
But bulk of his hardness still is implied to be haki related

Now, we have seen that haki and power level wanes, when one loses their will.
Like for example, Gecko Moria. Moria was very strong in the past, being able to at least give Kaido some entertainment. But after he lost hiss crew, his will was shattered and got fat. And he became fodder relative to what he once was.

IF these defeats shattered Kaido's and BM's will, then they will undoubtedly lose a chunk of their haki and hence lose hardless as a result of this. I doubt lava alone will do anything to their hardness

 

[Fox666]

At least for BM, the hardness is specifically haki related, implied to be advanced conqueror's haki.
Because when Caramel's picture broke, BM could be damaged by regular attacks

I think it has been implied Big Mom has a natural durability

In One Piece world, a person can make ramen from their nose, completely change their appearance because of their emotions..... someone loosing their durability because of a tantrum? Not a big deal

 

[M3J]

They likely survived just because durability but probably suffered burns.

 

[Australopithecus]

I thought so too, when that volcanic eruption happened. It most likely ejected them outta the lava chamber. BM must be alive at the very least; otherwise, it makes no sense for Zeus to be alive as well. If a person dies, their ability disappears as well. What I believe is even more fascinating is that in the One Piece World, once you lose consciousness, your ability disappears as well, similar to what happened after Doffy was KOed. With that logic, BM should have retained her consciousness if Zeus was to be present as well. Otherwise, it doesn't make sense.

 

[kkck]

I think it has been implied Big Mom has a natural durability

In One Piece world, a person can make ramen from their nose, completely change their appearance because of their emotions..... someone loosing their durability because of a tantrum? Not a big deal

But then, this is a phenomenon that through haki that through haki gets a reasonable in universe explanation that covers pretty much every angle and simply works better than "shenanigans". Haki in this case is too convenient to ignore.

 

[Demonspeed]

I don't even need to read theories there is no way Oda would kill them like that .

 

[kkck]

I don't even need to read theories there is no way Oda would kill them like that .

Welp, I don't see how an unconscious, beaten and exploded big mom would survive this tbh. We are talking about someone who under the right circumstances can get injured by merely falling on her knees. Kaido is a bit different though, he is a dragon. Him surviving a volcano is not THAT big a stretch considering one of his dragon forms is him basically being as hot as magma.

 

[john ellis]

BM and kaido might return for the end game, but they have lost there status as yonko. As such they have no meaning plot wise. At least for straw hats. BM and kaido were important plot wise because they were yonko. Now they're not, so they're not important. Also because they have no use plot wise, and they're still ultra powerful beings who could just take over wano again very easily if there alive and the SH need to be else where. It's easy to just kill them off. Also your entering the end game so u can kill people off. Kaido and Bm are very likely just dead.

 

[M3J]

They can still be important because if they do want to fight the Marines, then they provide power that would help the Straw Hat fleet, as I'm pretty sure the war will happen one way or another. They might not try to retake Wano, especially if they want revenge or want to focus on other things.

 

[wing_gundam]

Don't read this post unless you have read up till chapter 1056.


So i have a theory as to how BM & Kaido both of them MIGHT have survived. Hear me out.

1) Firstly they were in the lava chamber & I cant think of anyone who could go there & save them which is why the volcanic explosion happened immediately afterwards. Potentially that explosion threw them off back onto mainland Wano. After that lets go to chapter 1052.

2)In Chapter 1052, when Gorosei ask CP-0 who had now returned to his WG ship as to atleast if they can have Robin...at that point the communication between Gorosei & Cp-0 on Wg ship starts to be hijacked. See this page:-
https://cdn.onepiecechapters.com/file/CDN-M-A-N/op_tcb_1052morning_003.png
Gorosei : "CP-0 come in" interrupted by Bzzzt Bzzzt.
WG guy on WG ship : "Someone is hijacking our signal"
Mystery figure : "Listen up. Stay where you are i am on my way"
WG guy on WG ship :" who is this ?"
This Mystery figure was Smoothie & BMP (as we will see later in chapter 1053) & with her saying "Listen up . Stay where you are i am on my way". That sure sounds like she is on her way to rescue atleast BM.

3)But how do we know for sure that it was BMP ? See chapter 1053 this panel :-
https://cdn.onepiecechapters.com/file/CDN-M-A-N/op_tcb_1053_new_001.png
Morgans : "Cipher Pol's transmission from Wano broke off right after they spotted Big Mom's ship."

So there you have it. Smoothie finally being useful & quite possibly Oda setting things up in a way to explain how BM & Kaido got rescued.
Oda has said this in his sbs/interview once that he generally doesnt like to kill his characters so that he could bring them back whenever he feels like it later.
And also with BM saying at the end to Kidd & Law that dont they think that this is the last of her...I am sure BM might be on elbaf as well.
BM's df powers allow for a unique possibility of sacrificing her remaining lifespan to temporarily powerup to someone beyond yonko lvl strength & 1v1 Luffy if you think her appearing would be boring from power lvl POV, oda can fix things via this route as well.

This is unrelated but I would like to see a kid from Kaido and BM. May be a crazy powerful like Weevil. And I'm thinking Yamato is kinda useless at this point not that they're not coming.

 

[ShinobiWrath]

BM and kaido might return for the end game, but they have lost there status as yonko. As such they have no meaning plot wise. At least for straw hats. BM and kaido were important plot wise because they were yonko. Now they're not, so they're not important. .

They may have lost their status as Yonko but they're still Kaido and BM. If they survived and were to come back in some way, it'd be a big deal, but I agree with you, as far as the plot going forward, they would have almost no relevence.

 

[grey matter]

I thought so too, when that volcanic eruption happened. It most likely ejected them outta the lava chamber. BM must be alive at the very least; otherwise, it makes no sense for Zeus to be alive as well. If a person dies, their ability disappears as well. What I believe is even more fascinating is that in the One Piece World, once you lose consciousness, your ability disappears as well, similar to what happened after Doffy was KOed. With that logic, BM should have retained her consciousness if Zeus was to be present as well. Otherwise, it doesn't make sense.

Depends on the DF really. Especially with awakened DF users (which BM may very well be), the effects tend to be permanent regardless.
Yes, Doflamingo was an awakened DF user, so I'd ultimately say it depends and that there is no all encompassing rule.

Also, BM isn't conscious when she is sleeping.
All her homies are functional even when she is sleeping. So......

 

[Vanshrimp]

i don't think they need to survive they r too tough

 

[Lord Rayleigh]

Big Mom and Kaido were beaten, lost consciousness and were thrown into hot lava. I don’t see how they would be able to survive the lava destruction without using their DF or Haki and I don’t even see how they would survive the lava without breathing.

When Oden stayed 1h in the burning oil pot he was conscious, had Haki and could breathe, and Kaido said afterwards that his body was already dead meaning that he wouldn’t be able to recover and survive the execution.

Considering the return of Kaido and Big Mom would pose huge issues for the plotline (like Wano protection), why would we need the Pell treatment applied to Big Mom and Kaido? Of course, Oda could do it but what’s the point?

 

[FetherMan]

Kaido was already submerging in the lava before the volcanic eruption. And Big Mom exploded into that big hole made by Law. If anything, she could’ve survived and most likely could return for the final battle.

Kaido is done though.