Discussion Fairy Tail Power Ranking Thread

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So, cool argument, doesn’t really have anything to do with my point though does it. I said every single Slayer is a heavy hitter. Your response doesn’t refute that. The fact you have to use Mira, Erza’s rival, to compare to Wendy goes along with my point. The gap there is obvious, and Slayer magic made her more effective. Something Erza is unquestionably aware of as she stacks 2 deprecate DS enchants to challenge Laxus. An she actively chooses to stack Gray and Natsu’s slayer elements for her enchanted attack. Both arguments end up at the same conclusion, Erza stacked magic to try and gain an advantage against Laxus and make her magic more effective. Even if you ignore the tank boost and overall effectiveness of slayer magic in general, you can’t ignore the slayer effect against target creatures.
That is the thing though, Slayer magic is more effective not because of any supposed amp to their stats, it just makes it that much easier to hurt what they target, there is no boost, it is just kryptonite to what they target, whatever magic power they poor into said magic is what matter, all Erza did was enchant their magic, not their magic power, her stats are her own.
 

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That is the thing though, Slayer magic is more effective not because of any supposed amp to their stats, it just makes it that much easier to hurt what they target, there is no boost, it is just kryptonite to what they target, whatever magic power they poor into said magic is what matter, all Erza did was enchant their magic, not their magic power, her stats are her own.
If that was the case, and it didn't boost them into impressive tanks because of a stats, then it wouldn't be the coveted magic it is. You all want to ignore the way the story has portrayed slayers, because yall want to pretend it's not a boost? So now we're going to act like SLayer mages arent the tanks of the vesre? Their not melee monsters who can take a ton of punishment. Oh ok. It's a boost when Gray gets slayer magic though. IF this was how it actaully worked, since they havne't faced a demon since tartarus. Gray's slayer magic should be irrelevant, since it's only effective agaisnt the target. Lets ignore the entire battle showing off the increased stats his slayer magic grants. Erza got no boost, her using other peoples magic is a non factor, becasue she learned everybody's magic on her own, surpassing even Wendy, her teacher, who needs an outside source to enchant something into someting.

Or Slayer magic works exactly as its been described and portrayed the entire series.
 

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If that was the case, and it didn't boost them into impressive tanks because of a stats, then it wouldn't be the coveted magic it is. You all want to ignore the way the story has portrayed slayers, because yall want to pretend it's not a boost? So now we're going to act like SLayer mages arent the tanks of the vesre? Their not melee monsters who can take a ton of punishment. Oh ok. It's a boost when Gray gets slayer magic though. IF this was how it actaully worked, since they havne't faced a demon since tartarus. Gray's slayer magic should be irrelevant, since it's only effective agaisnt the target. Lets ignore the entire battle showing off the increased stats his slayer magic grants. Erza got no boost, her using other peoples magic is a non factor, becasue she learned everybody's magic on her own, surpassing even Wendy, her teacher, who needs an outside source to enchant something into someting.

Or Slayer magic works exactly as its been described and portrayed the entire series.
A minor correction, do not remember anything about it being sought after in general except for those who have awareness of lost magic, it is because it has dangerous side effects. Wendy when she was introduced said she had low attack power of her own. It’s not a boost, it’s a different ability that gray obtained that allowed him to be more effective than most mages against demons. Natsu clearly had the stat advantage with displays against Mard and still he stood, it was Gray that was the most effective with slayer hax. Ezra clearly did not surpass Wendy in enchantment magic, in short is just gives damage increase against what They target, not stat increase.
 

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Only Wendy can increase her or other people's stats in the Guild, by using Arms, Armor and Vernia (sorry I didn't remember the original name). Eileen could do as well with Berserker. These enchants give stats boost. Not DS mark who change the nature of the magic to be effective against Dragon or else. Same for Meteore Blade with Jellal's attribute and Dual Blades. The weapons have specific elemental attributes but the strike is a combinaison of Erza's strength and MP level who are still her own original stats.
 

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Only Wendy can increase her or other people's stats in the Guild, by using Arms, Armor and Vernia (sorry I didn't remember the original name). Eileen could do as well with Berserker. These enchants give stats boost. Not DS mark who change the nature of the magic to be effective against Dragon or else. Same for Meteore Blade with Jellal's attribute and Dual Blades. The weapons have specific elemental attributes but the strike is a combinaison of Erza's strength and MP level who are still her own original stats.
Well that's just blatanlty not true lol, DF, Duel Element modes, Dragon King modes, elemental drives, Slayers have a plethora of power up techniques that literally help to boost their stats. AN that's if i ignore your claim is only Wendy is capable, by virtue of using Enchantments, bc that's what enchantment magic does. Enhance things with magic. Like enhancing a regular mage into a DS by adding a dragon element to their magic and them benefiting from the boost that provides.

Elemental attributes are how her regular swords work. She, as blatanlty stated in the manga, is enchanting their MP into weapons. If it was her fire and Ice she would have states something to that effect. SHe didn't claim she learned to use their magic, she claimed she could enchant things now. So it was a mix of her MP, and the borrow MP from her friends. Each one of those attacks is essentially a Unison raid.
 

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Okay someone said on Twitter that if Irene enchants herself into Erza she's going to fight a dragon god honestly if that happens I'm going to have a serious meltdown
 

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Okay someone said on Twitter that if Irene enchants herself into Erza she's going to fight a dragon god honestly if that happens I'm going to have a serious meltdown
Here’s hoping that happens.
 

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Why y'all quiet 😂😂.... who's going to join me to make fun of gray's lackluster performance and maybe gajeel. Gray fanboys will cry if they see Mira appear again.... she's always living rent free in their heads. Gray shits his pants in front of laxus, Mira, skullion, suzaku, natsu fucking aldoron, Misaki, proceeds to fight fodder. Just look at the last chapter cover page everyone has bruises but gray looking fine asf
 

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Why y'all quiet 😂😂.... who's going to join me to make fun of gray's lackluster performance and maybe gajeel. Gray fanboys will cry if they see Mira appear again.... she's always living rent free in their heads. Gray shits his pants in front of laxus, Mira, skullion, suzaku, natsu fucking aldoron, Misaki, proceeds to fight fodder. Just look at the last chapter cover page everyone has bruises but gray looking fine asf
It’s safe to say Gray and Gajeel are lagging behind significantly in power compared to the others. If you switched Erza with Gray and Natsu with Gajeel they’d get stomped by Misaki and Suzaku handedly.
 

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I just reread Erza/Wendy vs Irene and august vs gildarts. Irene and august got so much hype in one arc and they had lackluster performance especially Irene. I know as a natsu fanboy I shouldn't bash Erza but why TF does she have so much bullshit moment atleast natsu we know how he's powers work and he trains a lot like laxus. But we don't even get statements of Erza training as hard as laxus and natsu, why can't mashima just give her a proper win. I just don't get why people like her character and over hype her. August and Irene were getting wanked like crazy and they had lackluster performance and committed suicide. I've seen people say august and Irene will nuke igneel. God forbid mashima allows his MC to defeat the villain without friends. This is why people like suzaku. He's a decent character and he doesn't really have lackluster performance, august lost his cool, Irene lost her cool, Misaki Kirin they're all started cracking once things went south even when natsu fought suzaku he still kept his composure and said he has to improve his concentration
 

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I just reread Erza/Wendy vs Irene and august vs gildarts. Irene and august got so much hype in one arc and they had lackluster performance especially Irene. I know as a natsu fanboy I shouldn't bash Erza but why TF does she have so much bullshit moment atleast natsu we know how he's powers work and he trains a lot like laxus. But we don't even get statements of Erza training as hard as laxus and natsu, why can't mashima just give her a proper win. I just don't get why people like her character and over hype her. August and Irene were getting wanked like crazy and they had lackluster performance and committed suicide. I've seen people say august and Irene will nuke igneel. God forbid mashima allows his MC to defeat the villain without friends. This is why people like suzaku. He's a decent character and he doesn't really have lackluster performance, august lost his cool, Irene lost her cool, Misaki Kirin they're all started cracking once things went south even when natsu fought suzaku he still kept his composure and said he has to improve his concentration
One of the few problems I have with Natsu training is how fast he grows now if other characters grow just as fast with the same amount of training that fine at least it’s fair but if only Natsu gets stronger it’s not
 

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One of the few problems I have with Natsu training is how fast he grows now if other characters grow just as fast with the same amount of training that fine at least it’s fair but if only Natsu gets stronger it’s not
It's not fair. Only those who work hard get stronger. Natsu and laxus dedicate a lot of their time training, mostly natsu.
 

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It's not fair. Only those who work hard get stronger. Natsu and laxus dedicate a lot of their time training, mostly natsu.
I said if they do the same amount of training they should be able to grow just as fast.
 

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Your sentences are interesting. I can add Elfman to be depiected as a hard worker in his free time as well.

For Erza,I have many time read people saying that she worked harder than Laxus himself to be on par with him. Do you disagree ?
 

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Your sentences are interesting. I can add Elfman to be depiected as a hard worker in his free time as well.

For Erza,I have many time read people saying that she worked harder than Laxus himself to be on par with him. Do you disagree ?
I don’t know if you were talking to me or not. Personally I don’t know, sorry I couldn’t think of a good answer but to me characters are as strong as Hiro wants them to be so it doesn’t really matter how hard they work at times
 

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I don’t know if you were talking to me or not. Personally I don’t know, sorry I couldn’t think of a good answer but to me characters are as strong as Hiro wants them to be so it doesn’t really matter how hard they work at times
Perfect answer. This is exactly my opinion as well.
 

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Your sentences are interesting. I can add Elfman to be depiected as a hard worker in his free time as well.

For Erza,I have many time read people saying that she worked harder than Laxus himself to be on par with him. Do you disagree ?
Yes. Elfman is a hard worker. Erza doesn't work as hard as laxus. Laxus has statement of always training and stuff like that. But we all know how mashima is hell bent on keeping the status quo so even if normally characters work harder than others once you're portrayed as equals or a certain characters are stronger than certain characters it'll hardly ever change. We've discussed this before regarding natsu
 

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Your sentences are interesting. I can add Elfman to be depiected as a hard worker in his free time as well.

For Erza,I have many time read people saying that she worked harder than Laxus himself to be on par with him. Do you disagree ?
Based on what.
 

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Yes. Elfman is a hard worker. Erza doesn't work as hard as laxus. Laxus has statement of always training and stuff like that. But we all know how mashima is hell bent on keeping the status quo so even if normally characters work harder than others once you're portrayed as equals or a certain characters are stronger than certain characters it'll hardly ever change. We've discussed this before regarding natsu
Exactly, we agree. Mashima is only base on portrayal, not hard workers than others.

Look at pre Albareth :
- Natsu, Elfman and Laxus were portrayed to work hard in the year.
- Mirajane was bartender or barmaid and trained at her free time. Grey and Erza were under cover for 6 month.

Same at 100YQ :
- Elfman was portraye by Leo to have enhance his stats by great mergin but was out of statement when people were speaking about Mirajane who shadowed him.
- Laxus was portraye for having enhance all his stats by Erza and his feats on Skullion/Mardmole. Erza who par with him was only portraye as having learnt Wendy's magic.

So training is < portrayal for Mashima. And this is why Gildarts is still the Ace. Even if he didn't have 2nde Origin and a year of training. He can only be a Casanova while the younglings are training hard, he should remain the ace (under casual situation).

You see the point ?
 
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Exactly, we agree. Mashima is only base on portrayal, not hard workers than others.

Look at pre Albareth :
- Natsu, Elfman and Laxus were portrayed to work hard in the year.
- Mirajane was bartender or barmaid and trained at her free time. Grey and Erza were under cover for 6 month.

Same at 100YQ :
- Elfman was portraye by Leo to have enhance his stats by great mergin but was out of statement when people were speaking about Mirajane who shadowed him.
- Laxus was portraye for having enhance all his stats by Erza and his feats on Skullion/Mardmole. Erza who par with him was only portraye as having learnt Wendy's magic.

So training is < portrayal for Mashima. And this is why Gildarts is still the Ace. Even if he didn't have 2nde Origin and a year of training. He can only be a Casanova while the younglings are training hard, he should remain the ace (under casual situation).

You see the point ?
I get your point. This portrayals isn't fair for certain characters like elfman. Mira is literally retired but he's still getting overshadowed to the point gray and cana considered him a non-factor. I believe mashima has a disconnect from the power scaling in the series because Erza stated that natsu was the one who beat acnologia and selene said natsu was the one who beat aldoron but he's equal to gray and gajeel maybe that's just considering base stats and no modes. But yeah the portrayals aren't fair for certain characters who train harder than others.
 
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