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Aight, here are the game infos (setup and actions):
IDAffiliationPrimary RoleSecondary RoleSanityPlayer
1TownDetectiveInsaneMadNat
2TownSpySaneBrandish
3TownDoctorSaneAsako
4TownBansheeGB
5TownNecromancerShad
6TownPsychiatristBaka Taichou
7TownProstituteEvil3ye
8TownBulletproofLambu
9TownMorticiandigital
10TownPsychiatristHolt
11TownProsecutorLady Pompom
12Third PartySanta ClausKat
13Town/MafiaPirateTraitorJames Rye
13Town/MafiaNobleTraitorCrescent
15MafiaMafia DetectiveSirSamuel
16MafiaStrongmanGrySun
17MafiaMafia EscortCopy Panda
18MafiaPirateMarmalade
GIFTS LIST

❄ Brewster's Gift "Drink it hot or give it up." (Hot Potato)
The Hot Potato explodes at the end of a day designated by the host before the start of the game, killing the player holding it. The holder of the Hot Potato doesn't know when it will explode, but he can pass it to another player at night, separately from any night ability he has. This passing can't be blocked. If the holder gets killed, the Potato explodes killing both the holder and the killer; if the holder is lynched, the Potato [dies with him].
❄ Kicks' Gift "You never know how things might turn out." (single-use Bar Keeper redirect)
One player ends up being the drunkest and uses his night action on a random player.
❄ CJ's Gift "A night cruise is a good way to catch night fish." (single-use Mafia Detective)
The Mafia Detective has the ability to investigate one player per Night and learn the player's Role. Only he is told the role of his target via PM. Whenever the Mafia Detective's investigation ability is performed, he cannot be chosen to go for a kill on the same night.
❄ Wisp's Gift "Tah-Dahh!" (this player's votes are worded as "Ho ho ho" during the next day)

❄ Jingle's Gift "Isn't this the best time of the year, kid?" Mandatory 5th Gift
(Santa Clause: this gift allows the game to go on. At the end of the game, Santa wins with the other winning party. Happy celebration ;)



Now first lemme thank @Erinyes for her massive participation in the game. At first, I got the November slot to host alone, and she asked me to join and I'm so happy she did! She's not only a very curious and interested person so we had a very nice and easy time discussing our ideas, but she also has the strength and endurance of a lion... I was often dead while we were hosting, but Erinchi followed everything and kept the game organized. She barely slept @.@ And that's a testimony I really needed to share with you all, 'cause her dedication and calm deserve lots of appreciation.

Also thanks @Hardy and @Vandred for double-checking the game mech (and in Poop's case, the comp as well) and giving us your honest thoughts, so we could try to present a game that would be fair and entertaining to people.

And finally, even tho some other points were addressed already, I'd like to thank all the players, from the heart. I know this game was too soon because of my availability due to local holidays, and I know you guys were tired - which for sure didn't improve during this time lol. So I really need to commend you all, because you guys were either putting in a lot of time and effort inside the game, analyzing and discussing nonstop, or in the deadpad - you guys also got no rest. As hosts, that's the biggest kind of feedback we could get: to have you guys really onboard. Some moves were questionable, but no one can't say any of those teams weren't trying... it's only natural that drained people will make some mistakes, so to me that's another sign of the praise you guys deserve.

Quick comments about the game that I've mentioned in the deadpad already: in general, the idea with the mech was to add a simple new function (and we tried to map beforehand the main game new considerations we'd need to have it in place) but that could allow a new set of strategical moves to be exploited - now I would reconsider the priority we used since we realize it would have been more adherent to people's preference. The game also had 2 Traitors 'cause Pirate is a VERY weak mafia that can suicide and lose the ability to kill later on, so we wanted to give them better odds (lemme say it one more time in here that the notion that means town had 2 extra people to lynch is wrong, first because town had 2 killing tools in the Prosecutor and the Banshee, and second because they don't need to eliminate unrecruited traitors to win). It had 2 Psys 'cause even tho we wanted mafia to have better chances to recruit, that didn't mean we wanted them to recruit BOTH, so town had more chances to find at least one on the other hand (even if one role would get erased eventually), and at the same time the role could cause some confusion that mafia could exploit. The Mortician came in place to trace stuff like Santa and fake claims/transfers regarding any role/action that got "buried" - imo it's more effective than the SM because it can target antitown and spot unknown stuff that could still be in-game; it was a late game resource that had good chances of being effective with the role transfer mech. The Necromancer was also in there for its recycling capabilities since we'd have roles being lost, and in this setup it would be less OP than it usually is, since his options would still be reduced. The Santa was there for extra fun, imo, since the role could still be used even if the OG player and their wincon was gone: two gifts - that we expected to be the last ones - were clear signs that there was a Santa in-game in case it would fly by too successfully - and even that was just to cause some ruckus since the last gift allowed the game to go on after Santa would win - which to me it's a needed measure so we won't have sudden major frustration with an unexpected game end (I do understand why the game usually has to end when Santa is in it, so people don't ignore the role, but in this case we saw an opportunity to play around that and fix the issue regarding that); Santa's other gifts were there to provide some extra spice but unfortunately, as you can see in the night actions, I made a mistake while processing GB's action with the Hot Potato. GB got blocked by Evil when he tried to pass it to James and I overlooked it that the passing can't be blocked. It would have been simple to fix it during the day by PMing the both of them if Bran didn't spy on GB and, coincidentally, Sam hadn't claimed the exact same action and outcome. After discussing with some people, we reached the conclusion that the attitude that would cause the least interference and damage to a bigger number of players would be to just remove the Hot Potato from the game and inform that to GB, which is what we did.

GG mafia, you fought the long battle and won! GG town, it's never easy to be on the more clueless side, trying to put pieces together. GG Santa cause Santa is always fun~
 

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Also to Townies that die in the future, dont send your roles to me since it would be easy for Mafia to guess Im the receptor. Better leave a "Will" of where you are sending your role in case of death so they cannot escape the claim if scum.
 

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I‘m wondering whether there‘s benefit in Pom passing on her role if she dies. Statistically it‘s more likely to hit a town so I‘d say no, but hitting a mafia with it would be such a play.
 

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Pom you crazy, Gry was the best shot from D1 playstyle, I hope you aren't letting love affect your MG judgment
Nah, I distrusted Lambu more. But Once dets investigate lambu, they can go for Gry and check if he's this good boy he says.
 

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Its literally impossible to guess at this point of the game, specially now that Im marked and confirmed from Night 1 onwards I dont have a to say a single word of what I am.

I hope all Detectives know to target me tonight, so they instantly confirm their sanities.
Uhm, I just realized something from last game:


  • - Marmalade (Sane Detective) >>> Investigates Evil3ye >>> Success! >>> Gets Guilty
Marmalade (Sane Detective) >>> Investigates Farfalla >>> Success! >>> Gets Innocent

But Farfalla was a Threesome candidate, shouldn't Marm have gotten a 2nd guilty and be like "wait a second, why is the MR also guilty like the guy who clearly feels like scum due his voting behavior?". Like the rules don't state that a townie player with threesome appear as innocent to a sane townie. Threesome is an anti-townie role so Marm should have gotten a guilty result instead of innocent, correct? Like if Marm had gotten a guilty there that would have MASSIVELY changed the whole game especially after Evil was daykilled on day 3. Damn, now I feel cheated, lol. XD
 

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Also to Townies that die in the future, dont send your roles to me since it would be easy for Mafia to guess Im the receptor. Better leave a "Will" of where you are sending your role in case of death so they cannot escape the claim if scum.
I don‘t get the „escape the claim if scum“ part.
 

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Sane townie means sane Det, sorry.
 

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Yes, as Lambu said, once he is confirmed, please all det-chans (if we have more than 1), investigate him! You'll be able to figure your sanity early on if you do so.


That is because it confirms my role and at the end of the day, Lambu's allegiance (town or mafia) will be revealed.
oh that is good start, thanks... :hi
 

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I‘m wondering whether there‘s benefit in Pom passing on her role if she dies. Statistically it‘s more likely to hit a town so I‘d say no, but hitting a mafia with it would be such a play.
🌠 Receiving a role from a different alignment will not affect your current one - additionally, a player cannot receive the ability to perform "faction kills" at night;
Gry, gry, read properly, It doesn't affect the mafias.
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I should not pass my role as it would be utterly useless and only hinder town as I have more chances of hitting a good town role with it. Why are you suggesting I do it? Are you mafia?
 

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" Receiving a role from a different alignment will not affect your current one "; if you get a role from a different faction, you can use its abilities that aren't killing related.
And yes you're informed that your role changed.
Read Pom read
 

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Read Pom read
Sounds like it still doesn't affect mafia roles, no? Anyways, prosecutor is 1-time only, so even if I passed, there's no benefit for town.
 

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Sounds like it still doesn't affect mafia roles, no? Anyways, prosecutor is 1-time only, so even if I passed, there's no benefit for town.
How does it sound like it doesn‘t affect mafia roles? It‘s a different faction.

No benefit unless you pass it to a mafia, but like I said statistically bad odds.
 

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Uhm, I just realized something from last game:


  • - Marmalade (Sane Detective) >>> Investigates Evil3ye >>> Success! >>> Gets Guilty
Marmalade (Sane Detective) >>> Investigates Farfalla >>> Success! >>> Gets Innocent

But Farfalla was a Threesome candidate, shouldn't Marm have gotten a 2nd guilty and be like "wait a second, why is the MR also guilty like the guy who clearly feels like scum due his voting behavior?". Like the rules don't state that a townie player with threesome appear as innocent to a sane townie. Threesome is an anti-townie role so Marm should have gotten a guilty result instead of innocent, correct? Like if Marm had gotten a guilty there that would have MASSIVELY changed the whole game especially after Evil was daykilled on day 3. Damn, now I feel cheated, lol. XD
Threesome Candidate shows as Innocent in det investigations according to the rules, just like Town Lover.

Is it OP? Absolutely, I advocated for that not being the case, but its how it was voted to be ¯\_:lambirb_/¯

I don‘t get the „escape the claim if scum“ part.
If a dead Town says "Gry will get my role with results if I die" then you are inmediately looked into for receiving an active thing. If you fail to give results from then on that means you cant use that ability, aka you are scum.
It would only not work if Mafos guess the dead Townie role before they die tho.
 

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Oh, okay, even if I turn someone into Mafia member or something, they still can kill and it's hard to get a mafia among other many townies. So i'll tell in advance I'm not passing my role.
 

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Ah it's preferable to send your guess via PM.
Alright.

Also @MadNat another role we can "easily" guess is the Mafia Escort since that role is even more of a must-have than Mafia-Boss. I remember games without MB but none without an ME. An Escort will most likely claim to be active most of the times in order to avoid sus when a spy spies on them and is like "why did you block the guy who claimed det/doc?". Sometimes they try to appear as Townie Prostitute but usually won't risk outright claiming it in case the actual prostitute went into hiding and then reveals after them declaring they are the real townie prostitute.

So MB and ME and also the Mafia Member are good guesses for this type of game due the mechanic, us likely having some investigation and protection roles that either needs to be blocked by Escort or fooled by Boss.
 

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If a dead Town says "Gry will get my role with results if I die" then you are inmediately looked into for receiving an active thing. If you fail to give results from then on that means you cant use that ability, aka you are scum.
It would only not work if Mafos guess the dead Townie role before they die tho.
But why would they not be able to use the town role?
 

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I think passing the role early on in the game is more beneficial for mafia maybe, if they have a couple vanillas. While town would do it better later on once a det/doc dies and you can still pass it on.
 

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Threesome Candidate shows as Innocent in det investigations according to the rules, just like Town Lover.

Is it OP? Absolutely, I advocated for that not being the case, but its how it was voted to be ¯\_:lambirb_/¯
That doesn't even make sense! Lovers and Threesome are anti-town roles since they only win if town loses, why in god's name should town be unable to find and kill the lovers? Also unlike Mafia Boss

Mafia Boss (Mafia): The Mafia Boss shows the same to a Detective's investigations as a regular Townie would. He is usually in charge of coordinating the Mafia activity at night and may act as the contact person to the host. In case of disagreement with his fellow mafias over Night activities he has the final say. (GAME 2)

The lovers and Threesome candidate role description says NOTHING about them appearing as innocent/regular townie if investigated.
  • Lovers (Third Party): The Lovers are secondary roles that are assigned to two players of different groups. If only one of them remains, he commits suicide on the following night. They win if their number is equal or greater than the number of townies remaining and all other non-townies are dead. They can talk in private at each Night phase. Lovers are not allowed to openly reveal names of Mafias at any point with the intention to ruin the game. (GAME 37) UPDATED
  • Threesome Candidate (Third Party): At the start of the game the Lovers are notified that there is a Threesome in the game. The Threesome Candidate can join the Lovers, if he finds out who they are. He has one guess per Day by PMing the host 2 player names. He gets back a result whether he guessed correctly 0, 1 or 2 Lovers. If he guesses the 2 Lovers correctly in the same Day, he joins them as the third Lover. His guesses do not count as actions. If both of his Lovers die, he commits suicide on the following Night, regardless if he joined them or not.
    If one of the Lovers dies before the Candidate has joined their group, he may guess on the night of the supposed suicide who the remaining living Lover is and becomes a substitute for the one who passed away, if he succeeds. (GAME 37)
This is stupid of the highest order. :twitch
 

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But why would they not be able to use the town role?
Yeah nevermind that, Im still stuck on the erroneous idea of Townie roles not being usable by Mafia and Mafia roles not being usable by Townie
 

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James this is off topic :twitch
Not if we got lovers this game and our Dets are too incompetent to find them because the townie lover will always appear as townie to them. <.<
 
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