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Aight, here are the game infos (setup and actions):
IDAffiliationPrimary RoleSecondary RoleSanityPlayer
1TownDetectiveInsaneMadNat
2TownSpySaneBrandish
3TownDoctorSaneAsako
4TownBansheeGB
5TownNecromancerShad
6TownPsychiatristBaka Taichou
7TownProstituteEvil3ye
8TownBulletproofLambu
9TownMorticiandigital
10TownPsychiatristHolt
11TownProsecutorLady Pompom
12Third PartySanta ClausKat
13Town/MafiaPirateTraitorJames Rye
13Town/MafiaNobleTraitorCrescent
15MafiaMafia DetectiveSirSamuel
16MafiaStrongmanGrySun
17MafiaMafia EscortCopy Panda
18MafiaPirateMarmalade
GIFTS LIST

❄ Brewster's Gift "Drink it hot or give it up." (Hot Potato)
The Hot Potato explodes at the end of a day designated by the host before the start of the game, killing the player holding it. The holder of the Hot Potato doesn't know when it will explode, but he can pass it to another player at night, separately from any night ability he has. This passing can't be blocked. If the holder gets killed, the Potato explodes killing both the holder and the killer; if the holder is lynched, the Potato [dies with him].
❄ Kicks' Gift "You never know how things might turn out." (single-use Bar Keeper redirect)
One player ends up being the drunkest and uses his night action on a random player.
❄ CJ's Gift "A night cruise is a good way to catch night fish." (single-use Mafia Detective)
The Mafia Detective has the ability to investigate one player per Night and learn the player's Role. Only he is told the role of his target via PM. Whenever the Mafia Detective's investigation ability is performed, he cannot be chosen to go for a kill on the same night.
❄ Wisp's Gift "Tah-Dahh!" (this player's votes are worded as "Ho ho ho" during the next day)

❄ Jingle's Gift "Isn't this the best time of the year, kid?" Mandatory 5th Gift
(Santa Clause: this gift allows the game to go on. At the end of the game, Santa wins with the other winning party. Happy celebration ;)



Now first lemme thank @Erinyes for her massive participation in the game. At first, I got the November slot to host alone, and she asked me to join and I'm so happy she did! She's not only a very curious and interested person so we had a very nice and easy time discussing our ideas, but she also has the strength and endurance of a lion... I was often dead while we were hosting, but Erinchi followed everything and kept the game organized. She barely slept @.@ And that's a testimony I really needed to share with you all, 'cause her dedication and calm deserve lots of appreciation.

Also thanks @Hardy and @Vandred for double-checking the game mech (and in Poop's case, the comp as well) and giving us your honest thoughts, so we could try to present a game that would be fair and entertaining to people.

And finally, even tho some other points were addressed already, I'd like to thank all the players, from the heart. I know this game was too soon because of my availability due to local holidays, and I know you guys were tired - which for sure didn't improve during this time lol. So I really need to commend you all, because you guys were either putting in a lot of time and effort inside the game, analyzing and discussing nonstop, or in the deadpad - you guys also got no rest. As hosts, that's the biggest kind of feedback we could get: to have you guys really onboard. Some moves were questionable, but no one can't say any of those teams weren't trying... it's only natural that drained people will make some mistakes, so to me that's another sign of the praise you guys deserve.

Quick comments about the game that I've mentioned in the deadpad already: in general, the idea with the mech was to add a simple new function (and we tried to map beforehand the main game new considerations we'd need to have it in place) but that could allow a new set of strategical moves to be exploited - now I would reconsider the priority we used since we realize it would have been more adherent to people's preference. The game also had 2 Traitors 'cause Pirate is a VERY weak mafia that can suicide and lose the ability to kill later on, so we wanted to give them better odds (lemme say it one more time in here that the notion that means town had 2 extra people to lynch is wrong, first because town had 2 killing tools in the Prosecutor and the Banshee, and second because they don't need to eliminate unrecruited traitors to win). It had 2 Psys 'cause even tho we wanted mafia to have better chances to recruit, that didn't mean we wanted them to recruit BOTH, so town had more chances to find at least one on the other hand (even if one role would get erased eventually), and at the same time the role could cause some confusion that mafia could exploit. The Mortician came in place to trace stuff like Santa and fake claims/transfers regarding any role/action that got "buried" - imo it's more effective than the SM because it can target antitown and spot unknown stuff that could still be in-game; it was a late game resource that had good chances of being effective with the role transfer mech. The Necromancer was also in there for its recycling capabilities since we'd have roles being lost, and in this setup it would be less OP than it usually is, since his options would still be reduced. The Santa was there for extra fun, imo, since the role could still be used even if the OG player and their wincon was gone: two gifts - that we expected to be the last ones - were clear signs that there was a Santa in-game in case it would fly by too successfully - and even that was just to cause some ruckus since the last gift allowed the game to go on after Santa would win - which to me it's a needed measure so we won't have sudden major frustration with an unexpected game end (I do understand why the game usually has to end when Santa is in it, so people don't ignore the role, but in this case we saw an opportunity to play around that and fix the issue regarding that); Santa's other gifts were there to provide some extra spice but unfortunately, as you can see in the night actions, I made a mistake while processing GB's action with the Hot Potato. GB got blocked by Evil when he tried to pass it to James and I overlooked it that the passing can't be blocked. It would have been simple to fix it during the day by PMing the both of them if Bran didn't spy on GB and, coincidentally, Sam hadn't claimed the exact same action and outcome. After discussing with some people, we reached the conclusion that the attitude that would cause the least interference and damage to a bigger number of players would be to just remove the Hot Potato from the game and inform that to GB, which is what we did.

GG mafia, you fought the long battle and won! GG town, it's never easy to be on the more clueless side, trying to put pieces together. GG Santa cause Santa is always fun~
 

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Does that mean you think we should stay on Gry for day 1 lynch and not wait till day 3 to see if he gets confirmed or was lying through his teeth?
Im 90% sure he's lying and trying to get past the fiasco
 

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I also don't agree in voting Holt, he barely appear, but his posts didn't look off to me. Cres is more suspicious in that point.
she claimed noble tho
 

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Good morning, trying to catch up while breakfast..
There might be not many new pages but you all wrote a lot, hard to follow on cellphone.. 😅
I am thinking of changing my vote atm
 

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Just making my quota. Might have something to say later.
 

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The only reason I havent locked him already is because theres still time and we have to discuss stuff first, havent fully caught up yet.
 

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she claimed noble tho
The way she‘s playing doesn‘t look like Noble to me. Mafia Noble exists as well, though it‘s also strange she didn‘t vote me with it. Maybe thought it would look too odd with what she said before.
 

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Im 90% sure he's lying and trying to get past the fiasco
Same, like I said, ICs usually don't get confirmed until like half the player pool is dead. Most of the time they are a late game reveal that helps town to reduce pool of sus. Day 3 is rather early even for a 18 player pool. If he is saying the truth it would either mean we got two night kills or even more day killing roles besides prosecutor like vigilante and cowboy.
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Just making my quota. Might have something to say later.
Dude, passive or active, what are you?
 

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why are you guys even considering holt, meanies
I mean I barely remember holt making it to end game, he keep being lynched day 1

Yeah, Shino, you're not as peppy as you claim yourself there though. Give more data input. At least the Olivia reporter got around a little, but youuu pretty low key still, aint cha?
 

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You reckon he's pulling Innocent Child out of his rear?
Yeah, Day 3 for an Innocent Child confirmation is insanely soon for a game with these characteristics, its also highly counterintuitive with the whole passing thing. My guess is he's expecting one mafia lynch between today and tomorrow and then claim he was "bamboozled", cause it wouldbe"the obvious thing to do" and blahblahblah cacaw!!
 

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Actually lets ask the expert on Gry matters

@GB thoughts on this "Innocent Child"?
 

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The way she‘s playing doesn‘t look like Noble to me. Mafia Noble exists as well, though it‘s also strange she didn‘t vote me with it. Maybe thought it would look too odd with what she said before.
Umm, excuse me?? Why would it look odd, buddy.

She suspected you, but didn't vote you, which you actually marked that in fact that is the sus behaviour:


Not sure who I’d switch to, maybe Crescent. I don‘t like how she just said I was weird then refused to elaborate, feels like trying to lead more votes on me without committing.

Looks like a 180, buddy.
 

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Yeah, Day 3 for an Innocent Child confirmation is insanely soon for a game with these characteristics, its also highly counterintuitive with the whole passing thing. My guess is he's expecting one mafia lynch between today and tomorrow and then claim he was "bamboozled", cause it wouldbe"the obvious thing to do" and blahblahblah cacaw!!
Yeah and that will surely save me? No, it’s a dead-end claim, only mafia has benefits in getting rid of me before D3 so they don‘t need to rely on their own failures to set up a mislynch.
 

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Gry and Cres both mafos maybe? Sounds possible looking at the situation
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Yeah and that will surely save me? No, it’s a dead-end claim, only mafia has benefits in getting rid of me before D3 so they don‘t need to rely on their own failures to set up a mislynch.
You avoid death for one entire dayphase, thats already a win
 

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Gry and Cres both mafos maybe? Sounds possible looking at the situation
Do you really not trust him? How would he get out of the situation on D3? Is only possible if we lynch D1 or D2 correct. So could it be James or Jinx then indeed that's his team buddy? Hmm, interesting.
 

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Umm, excuse me?? Why would it look odd, buddy.

She suspected you, but didn't vote you, which you actually marked that in fact that is the sus behaviour:


Looks like a 180, buddy.
It is odd, many people called her out on voting someone else but openly only suspecting me. So if she noble votes me where does that leave her? How does she explain her first votekill? Would just look even more fake to me than now.
 

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I won't be able to be here for the last hour or so of the DP
 

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Wouldn't an Innocent Child attract Detectives though? Or perhaps he figures he is save as they will go for Lambu/Pom. Hmm, you sly Cranky Admiral bird, hmm. Now am not sure if I should move my vote and wait afterall.
 

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Gry and Cres both mafos maybe? Sounds possible looking at the situation
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You avoid death for one entire dayphase, thats already a win
So first it‘s me planning on a mafia lynch and now it‘s me just trying to survive a day?
 
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