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Aight, here are the game infos (setup and actions):
IDAffiliationPrimary RoleSecondary RoleSanityPlayer
1TownDetectiveInsaneMadNat
2TownSpySaneBrandish
3TownDoctorSaneAsako
4TownBansheeGB
5TownNecromancerShad
6TownPsychiatristBaka Taichou
7TownProstituteEvil3ye
8TownBulletproofLambu
9TownMorticiandigital
10TownPsychiatristHolt
11TownProsecutorLady Pompom
12Third PartySanta ClausKat
13Town/MafiaPirateTraitorJames Rye
13Town/MafiaNobleTraitorCrescent
15MafiaMafia DetectiveSirSamuel
16MafiaStrongmanGrySun
17MafiaMafia EscortCopy Panda
18MafiaPirateMarmalade
GIFTS LIST

❄ Brewster's Gift "Drink it hot or give it up." (Hot Potato)
The Hot Potato explodes at the end of a day designated by the host before the start of the game, killing the player holding it. The holder of the Hot Potato doesn't know when it will explode, but he can pass it to another player at night, separately from any night ability he has. This passing can't be blocked. If the holder gets killed, the Potato explodes killing both the holder and the killer; if the holder is lynched, the Potato [dies with him].
❄ Kicks' Gift "You never know how things might turn out." (single-use Bar Keeper redirect)
One player ends up being the drunkest and uses his night action on a random player.
❄ CJ's Gift "A night cruise is a good way to catch night fish." (single-use Mafia Detective)
The Mafia Detective has the ability to investigate one player per Night and learn the player's Role. Only he is told the role of his target via PM. Whenever the Mafia Detective's investigation ability is performed, he cannot be chosen to go for a kill on the same night.
❄ Wisp's Gift "Tah-Dahh!" (this player's votes are worded as "Ho ho ho" during the next day)

❄ Jingle's Gift "Isn't this the best time of the year, kid?" Mandatory 5th Gift
(Santa Clause: this gift allows the game to go on. At the end of the game, Santa wins with the other winning party. Happy celebration ;)



Now first lemme thank @Erinyes for her massive participation in the game. At first, I got the November slot to host alone, and she asked me to join and I'm so happy she did! She's not only a very curious and interested person so we had a very nice and easy time discussing our ideas, but she also has the strength and endurance of a lion... I was often dead while we were hosting, but Erinchi followed everything and kept the game organized. She barely slept @.@ And that's a testimony I really needed to share with you all, 'cause her dedication and calm deserve lots of appreciation.

Also thanks @Hardy and @Vandred for double-checking the game mech (and in Poop's case, the comp as well) and giving us your honest thoughts, so we could try to present a game that would be fair and entertaining to people.

And finally, even tho some other points were addressed already, I'd like to thank all the players, from the heart. I know this game was too soon because of my availability due to local holidays, and I know you guys were tired - which for sure didn't improve during this time lol. So I really need to commend you all, because you guys were either putting in a lot of time and effort inside the game, analyzing and discussing nonstop, or in the deadpad - you guys also got no rest. As hosts, that's the biggest kind of feedback we could get: to have you guys really onboard. Some moves were questionable, but no one can't say any of those teams weren't trying... it's only natural that drained people will make some mistakes, so to me that's another sign of the praise you guys deserve.

Quick comments about the game that I've mentioned in the deadpad already: in general, the idea with the mech was to add a simple new function (and we tried to map beforehand the main game new considerations we'd need to have it in place) but that could allow a new set of strategical moves to be exploited - now I would reconsider the priority we used since we realize it would have been more adherent to people's preference. The game also had 2 Traitors 'cause Pirate is a VERY weak mafia that can suicide and lose the ability to kill later on, so we wanted to give them better odds (lemme say it one more time in here that the notion that means town had 2 extra people to lynch is wrong, first because town had 2 killing tools in the Prosecutor and the Banshee, and second because they don't need to eliminate unrecruited traitors to win). It had 2 Psys 'cause even tho we wanted mafia to have better chances to recruit, that didn't mean we wanted them to recruit BOTH, so town had more chances to find at least one on the other hand (even if one role would get erased eventually), and at the same time the role could cause some confusion that mafia could exploit. The Mortician came in place to trace stuff like Santa and fake claims/transfers regarding any role/action that got "buried" - imo it's more effective than the SM because it can target antitown and spot unknown stuff that could still be in-game; it was a late game resource that had good chances of being effective with the role transfer mech. The Necromancer was also in there for its recycling capabilities since we'd have roles being lost, and in this setup it would be less OP than it usually is, since his options would still be reduced. The Santa was there for extra fun, imo, since the role could still be used even if the OG player and their wincon was gone: two gifts - that we expected to be the last ones - were clear signs that there was a Santa in-game in case it would fly by too successfully - and even that was just to cause some ruckus since the last gift allowed the game to go on after Santa would win - which to me it's a needed measure so we won't have sudden major frustration with an unexpected game end (I do understand why the game usually has to end when Santa is in it, so people don't ignore the role, but in this case we saw an opportunity to play around that and fix the issue regarding that); Santa's other gifts were there to provide some extra spice but unfortunately, as you can see in the night actions, I made a mistake while processing GB's action with the Hot Potato. GB got blocked by Evil when he tried to pass it to James and I overlooked it that the passing can't be blocked. It would have been simple to fix it during the day by PMing the both of them if Bran didn't spy on GB and, coincidentally, Sam hadn't claimed the exact same action and outcome. After discussing with some people, we reached the conclusion that the attitude that would cause the least interference and damage to a bigger number of players would be to just remove the Hot Potato from the game and inform that to GB, which is what we did.

GG mafia, you fought the long battle and won! GG town, it's never easy to be on the more clueless side, trying to put pieces together. GG Santa cause Santa is always fun~
 

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not even gonna bother with that sort of question lmfao
 

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Morning all,

Not looking good there Missy Shady
Missy Shady sounds cool xD

and now i am careful to pick as the last one^^
It a really bad idea to use bomb as a justification for anything in MG, I will let it slide this time.

Also, your James vote , while being your usual first post, you must have seen that it was right after Gry-chan's, as it was 10 minutes later. Why did you directly stack it?
@digitaldude you claim your role but ignore this simple question, you just got more scummy.

I am probably atm...

somewhere i said also why i am more obvious and open than even last time... who knows how i play next time, plus it depends on role, and what it can be used for....i am not so sure if i am truely as useful as last time
Don't worry about being useful, you are also immune to mafia night killing, enjoy it while it last xD

Asako is definitely scum. I'm sure. Why are you against me asking James about himself? Are you afraid he'll answer wrong?
Don't you dare sully his majesty with your insinuations, this is town representative on earth :pwnge
 

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oh brother xD

can't tell if that's sarcasm or if you rly see him as confirmed.
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there are 9 hours left in the game, and the ppl i'm interested in hearing from have not made an appearance at all, or made it just to be useless (like DD)

So, until ppl pick up on the game I'm just gonna go grind in overwatch.
 

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oh brother xD

can't tell if that's sarcasm or if you rly see him as confirmed.
lol it both I guess.

Unless we are talking about the missing kill, I'm with evil that there is no way in hell that Gry X James was staged, it so unlikely (0.0000000001%) that I'm not even gonna argue why.

No traitor would confirm his list by going after GRY and Strongman, evil could do it if he sees Gry dooming himself but James is 100% clear since he voted him first.

Also James can't be sleeper since he was active, evil also claims to be a passive so he can't be sleeper either. (? My knowledge of recruitment role is bad, help fix).

Also by experience you tend to lose yourself in your theories sometimes, just a head up.

Now that I'm up, back to back reading.

@digitaldude I will keep tagging you until you answer that question.
 

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It a really bad idea to use bomb as a justification for anything in MG, I will let it slide this time.

you are right, it isn't the best move, but at the end, i try to stay alive... ^^

soo... who is more fishy Asako or DD for the majority? or someone else?

what's with James, Holt? and why marmalade?
:mono
 

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Evil was just giving his opinion on the role, I gave mine on day 1, why would I as mafia come up with a lying role on day 2. Evil also implied that this role is useful because of the setup of the game, so again why would I be a lying mafia considering all this? EXPLAIN TO ME!!! @Shad
 

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I don't fully trust digital, but at least he cooperated directly and gave role. A role that produces results, so he will to keep bringing us results every now and then if he wants to keep living. This cannot be said about the other buddies.

-Asasko, almost dead, still refuses to elaborate
-Sam continues being evasive and just pretend to discussing things
-Marmalade pulled the sry-irl card
 

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Kind of think Mortician is not an unimportant role to verify interactions. Why do you feel that way buddy?

Also, your James vote , while being your usual first post, you must have seen that it was right after Gry-chan's, as it was 10 minutes later. Why did you directly stack it?
@digitaldude I'm not asking about your claim, I'm asking you to explain your vote D1.

There is a misunderstanding it seems.
 

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I don't fully trust digital, but at least he cooperated directly and gave role. A role that produces results, so he will to keep bringing us results every now and then if he wants to keep living. This cannot be said about the other buddies.

-Asasko, almost dead, still refuses to elaborate
-Sam continues being evasive and just pretend to discussing things
-Marmalade pulled the sry-irl card
Exactly, for the 4th time in mafia history both shad and sakura are uniting to kill me.
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@digitaldude I'm not asking about your claim, I'm asking you to explain your vote D1.

There is a misunderstanding it seems.
It was just a random vote, notice how I was saying I was reading the thread on day 1? I was always behind on what people were saying.
 

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It was just a random vote, notice how I was saying I was reading the thread on day 1? I was always behind on what people were saying.
I buy that, but it did look bad.

Was it a placeholder vote and if yes why didn't you say anything after finding out James already had a vote on him?

Why didn't you say: oh oh I casted a placeholder vote, didn't mean for it to be a second vote.

Or something to that effect.
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Back to tagging you @digitaldude until we get to the bottom of this :twitch
 

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I don't fully trust digital, but at least he cooperated directly and gave role. A role that produces results, so he will to keep bringing us results every now and then if he wants to keep living. This cannot be said about the other buddies.

-Asasko, almost dead, still refuses to elaborate
-Sam continues being evasive and just pretend to discussing things
-Marmalade pulled the sry-irl card
I agree with you on most fronts there, but I disagree on Asako. She does look bad with how she's answered questions but I think she's a town that has gotten her reads wrong; reluctance to share much suggests she could be sitting on a big role, but that's my two cents. DD at least can eventually produce results to confirm himself, while the verdict is out on Asako on that front currently. I'd say we might be looking at a mislynch with both and it's worth prodding some others before setting on a path. Every chance I'm reading Asako wrong though.

I'm hitting the hay but if you've got something more to ask me then I'll respond when I'm around, pockets.
 

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I agree with you on most fronts there, but I disagree on Asako. She does look bad with how she's answered questions but I think she's a town that has gotten her reads wrong; reluctance to share much suggests she could be sitting on a big role, but that's my two cents. DD at least can eventually produce results to confirm himself, while the verdict is out on Asako on that front currently. I'd say we might be looking at a mislynch with both and it's worth prodding some others before setting on a path. Every chance I'm reading Asako wrong though.

I'm hitting the hay but if you've got something more to ask me then I'll respond when I'm around, pockets.
Very unlikely to misslynch with Asako.

Asako defending a teammate is a reflex, she is just that good of a person (@Demonspeed).

The deeds are done, it all about how she defends herrself today.

Asako your life is in your hands, shows us how it is done :verily
 

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On page 24 and reading, cacaw!

I will start answering a bit tho, to not lose track of my thoughts

A No death night is slightly worrying and i was thinking If i were a Mentor, how perfect a Lambu recruit would be. :blushbirb But thats something to worry for an other day.
Yes and no, because Im basically a bird with expiration date right now, I shouldnt last for long... or should I? :lambirb

Its not like we can truly check who would be a potential mentee on Day 2, so yes lets leave that hypothetical hunt for the future.

Why could i mention tho at the very end of the day the fact i thought this was the wrong choice, i geniusly did think it was
A IC claim is basically waiting game from how i see it
I didn't try to save him via lynch either, i was still considering he was scum but felt he was more likely townie

Byw shad gry wad the first one to say post were crafty, now you're telling me you think I'm fake when I'm playing like usual early game
Early game that is, i never been active early

For sakura i gave her a short summary, do you want me to write a long one that impressive on whatever gry done ?
I don't even keep track of the hinting of people

My vote yesterday cause i didn't think either jinx or gry were it, did you want me to jump into a bangwagon that had fucking 4 people on it on day 1 ???? That looked sussy as hell to me, eh nah ain't joining that bangwagon
Previous experience said that day1 bangwagon smell like scum bangwagon as usually day 1 get lynched with only 3 people meanwhile gry had more people considering going with him but not committing
Looked sussy to me

Gb and panda i can't read well at the time when i voted, only one that had votes (if holt had one know that I'm never voting holt early game, I'm not a meanie)
From my list marma was more sus to me yesterday
We see how today goes


I don't see how gry being passive=scum, didn't get your explanation
I considered day3 cause of the mechanic
I closed my eyes when it was just a waiting game for gry, nothing else nothing more
You happy now he was scum but imagine how memeful that shit could been if you killed an auto confirmation role
The point Ko is that you did not acknowledge any of the points that pointed in the direction of Gry being Mafia, you only repeated your perspective like a mantra and now its reflected again: "It looks sussy to me" but you didnt care about the legit points against Gry's explanation, only about enforcing the view that saved him.

So yeah, as things stand you are 80% scum with him in my book, on the same level as DD.
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Oh and I dont like GB's playstyle this game one bit so far, he doesnt look "detached" in a natural way.
 

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we still have 7 hours to go...
but somehow i need more ppl to tell about themselve, there are who seem to be fishy, but as last time even the nicest ppl have been mafia...so hmmm...
who is doing to helpful and tries to fool us :mono :3c
 

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@Baka Taichou I can, my active role is a night role, so sadly I ain't vigilante or cowboy. Also I used it last night. That's two hints.
Is there something you might want to add to your hint(s?) so far?

I also gonna votekill Asako. Digital can keep proving himself as mortician and given how many active role claimers we got, a mafia trying to act as mortician will sooner or later mess up for sure.
 

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who is doing to helpful and tries to fool us :mono :3c
Mafia is misunderstood :feelsbadman

Be right back
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but as last time even the nicest ppl have been mafia...so hmmm...
Wrong quote, this is the right one
 

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As food for thought, I dont think Sam is Mafia with Gry, he asked me directly yesterday about why we thought the IC claim was stinky and after I explained he joined the train, if he really was mafia he could have feigned fear of "making a mistake" and not sentenced Gry to death, while not throwing too much suspicion on himself.

Now he could always be a Third Party tho, he's still going very surface level on interactions, which rings alarms, but Im 90% sure that he isnt with Gry.
 

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lol it both I guess.

Unless we are talking about the missing kill, I'm with evil that there is no way in hell that Gry X James was staged, it so unlikely (0.0000000001%) that I'm not even gonna argue why.

No traitor would confirm his list by going after GRY and Strongman, evil could do it if he sees Gry dooming himself but James is 100% clear since he voted him first.

Also James can't be sleeper since he was active, evil also claims to be a passive so he can't be sleeper either. (? My knowledge of recruitment role is bad, help fix).

Also by experience you tend to lose yourself in your theories sometimes, just a head up.

Now that I'm up, back to back reading.

@digitaldude I will keep tagging you until you answer that question.
If I wouldn't know you any better I'd say you're scum, but it wouldn't fit, why? because you're tunneling on the hypothesis that I assume he's scum not TP
Exactly, for the 4th time in mafia history both shad and sakura are uniting to kill me.
every time we played and you ended up mafia you were desperately trying to point to me for trying to get you lynched :))). I see some ppl don't change. Do you see me voting you rn? Do you see me pressing on the matter that you're top sus or among top sus? I'm just gonna say this one time before I become toxic towards you and tunnel you, don't mention my name for the rest of the game. If I become sus for whatever reason and others vote me, you are allowed to mention my name in your vote, otherwise pretend I'm not here. Kthanksbye.
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As food for thought, I dont think Sam is Mafia with Gry, he asked me directly yesterday about why we thought the IC claim was stinky and after I explained he joined the train, if he really was mafia he could have feigned fear of "making a mistake" and not sentenced Gry to death, while not throwing too much suspicion on himself.

Now he could always be a Third Party tho, he's still going very surface level on interactions, which rings alarms, but Im 90% sure that he isnt with Gry.
lambu good you here, i tagged you on some questions, want to hear your 2 cents since you're the only confirmed around


Edit: fixed quote error
Edit 2: added end of my reply sentence after first quote that somehow disappeared when i fixed the quote error
 
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well either ppl try to find a guilty person or mafia tries to irritate and search for a guilty one: 'being helpful' has a big interpretation...

hiding in my opinion is mostly sus (for me!!)
 

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Looks like the townies are trying to kill me next, since there is no kill tonight my role isn't gonna be useful this game. I am the mortician.
Mortician sounds like another role that I did not expect in a game like this, Spirit Medium makes way more sense. What advantage does Town gain from knowing "when a role was received" once they are dead? We would already know that upon death.
SM on the other hand makes sense by revealing "Who did they give the role to".

Sussy, very sussy.
 
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