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Aight, here are the game infos (setup and actions):
IDAffiliationPrimary RoleSecondary RoleSanityPlayer
1TownDetectiveInsaneMadNat
2TownSpySaneBrandish
3TownDoctorSaneAsako
4TownBansheeGB
5TownNecromancerShad
6TownPsychiatristBaka Taichou
7TownProstituteEvil3ye
8TownBulletproofLambu
9TownMorticiandigital
10TownPsychiatristHolt
11TownProsecutorLady Pompom
12Third PartySanta ClausKat
13Town/MafiaPirateTraitorJames Rye
13Town/MafiaNobleTraitorCrescent
15MafiaMafia DetectiveSirSamuel
16MafiaStrongmanGrySun
17MafiaMafia EscortCopy Panda
18MafiaPirateMarmalade
GIFTS LIST

❄ Brewster's Gift "Drink it hot or give it up." (Hot Potato)
The Hot Potato explodes at the end of a day designated by the host before the start of the game, killing the player holding it. The holder of the Hot Potato doesn't know when it will explode, but he can pass it to another player at night, separately from any night ability he has. This passing can't be blocked. If the holder gets killed, the Potato explodes killing both the holder and the killer; if the holder is lynched, the Potato [dies with him].
❄ Kicks' Gift "You never know how things might turn out." (single-use Bar Keeper redirect)
One player ends up being the drunkest and uses his night action on a random player.
❄ CJ's Gift "A night cruise is a good way to catch night fish." (single-use Mafia Detective)
The Mafia Detective has the ability to investigate one player per Night and learn the player's Role. Only he is told the role of his target via PM. Whenever the Mafia Detective's investigation ability is performed, he cannot be chosen to go for a kill on the same night.
❄ Wisp's Gift "Tah-Dahh!" (this player's votes are worded as "Ho ho ho" during the next day)

❄ Jingle's Gift "Isn't this the best time of the year, kid?" Mandatory 5th Gift
(Santa Clause: this gift allows the game to go on. At the end of the game, Santa wins with the other winning party. Happy celebration ;)



Now first lemme thank @Erinyes for her massive participation in the game. At first, I got the November slot to host alone, and she asked me to join and I'm so happy she did! She's not only a very curious and interested person so we had a very nice and easy time discussing our ideas, but she also has the strength and endurance of a lion... I was often dead while we were hosting, but Erinchi followed everything and kept the game organized. She barely slept @.@ And that's a testimony I really needed to share with you all, 'cause her dedication and calm deserve lots of appreciation.

Also thanks @Hardy and @Vandred for double-checking the game mech (and in Poop's case, the comp as well) and giving us your honest thoughts, so we could try to present a game that would be fair and entertaining to people.

And finally, even tho some other points were addressed already, I'd like to thank all the players, from the heart. I know this game was too soon because of my availability due to local holidays, and I know you guys were tired - which for sure didn't improve during this time lol. So I really need to commend you all, because you guys were either putting in a lot of time and effort inside the game, analyzing and discussing nonstop, or in the deadpad - you guys also got no rest. As hosts, that's the biggest kind of feedback we could get: to have you guys really onboard. Some moves were questionable, but no one can't say any of those teams weren't trying... it's only natural that drained people will make some mistakes, so to me that's another sign of the praise you guys deserve.

Quick comments about the game that I've mentioned in the deadpad already: in general, the idea with the mech was to add a simple new function (and we tried to map beforehand the main game new considerations we'd need to have it in place) but that could allow a new set of strategical moves to be exploited - now I would reconsider the priority we used since we realize it would have been more adherent to people's preference. The game also had 2 Traitors 'cause Pirate is a VERY weak mafia that can suicide and lose the ability to kill later on, so we wanted to give them better odds (lemme say it one more time in here that the notion that means town had 2 extra people to lynch is wrong, first because town had 2 killing tools in the Prosecutor and the Banshee, and second because they don't need to eliminate unrecruited traitors to win). It had 2 Psys 'cause even tho we wanted mafia to have better chances to recruit, that didn't mean we wanted them to recruit BOTH, so town had more chances to find at least one on the other hand (even if one role would get erased eventually), and at the same time the role could cause some confusion that mafia could exploit. The Mortician came in place to trace stuff like Santa and fake claims/transfers regarding any role/action that got "buried" - imo it's more effective than the SM because it can target antitown and spot unknown stuff that could still be in-game; it was a late game resource that had good chances of being effective with the role transfer mech. The Necromancer was also in there for its recycling capabilities since we'd have roles being lost, and in this setup it would be less OP than it usually is, since his options would still be reduced. The Santa was there for extra fun, imo, since the role could still be used even if the OG player and their wincon was gone: two gifts - that we expected to be the last ones - were clear signs that there was a Santa in-game in case it would fly by too successfully - and even that was just to cause some ruckus since the last gift allowed the game to go on after Santa would win - which to me it's a needed measure so we won't have sudden major frustration with an unexpected game end (I do understand why the game usually has to end when Santa is in it, so people don't ignore the role, but in this case we saw an opportunity to play around that and fix the issue regarding that); Santa's other gifts were there to provide some extra spice but unfortunately, as you can see in the night actions, I made a mistake while processing GB's action with the Hot Potato. GB got blocked by Evil when he tried to pass it to James and I overlooked it that the passing can't be blocked. It would have been simple to fix it during the day by PMing the both of them if Bran didn't spy on GB and, coincidentally, Sam hadn't claimed the exact same action and outcome. After discussing with some people, we reached the conclusion that the attitude that would cause the least interference and damage to a bigger number of players would be to just remove the Hot Potato from the game and inform that to GB, which is what we did.

GG mafia, you fought the long battle and won! GG town, it's never easy to be on the more clueless side, trying to put pieces together. GG Santa cause Santa is always fun~
 

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I dont think James is a traitor, he bit too hard on Gry, seems counterproductive.

It goes without saying that Doctor-chans might have to protect Sakura to prove this "temporary role" of his. If she gets secondary again then he's most possibly a Town lover
 

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"BREAKING NEWS!!! Baka Taichou, claimed to be the town's Psychiatrist, revealed confidential information about James Rye's condition in hope of helping to solve the mystery. Baka Taichou reports James Rye indeed has a secondary role. The word is just being spread around the village and the citizens will start discussing as to what problem is bothering James Rye.

Could he really be involved in an affair as a lover or a threesome candidate that he had casually mentioned the previous day? If that is the case who is he having an affair with?

James Rye's response to the accusation is that he no longer has that and his secondary role was Doctor. In that sense, I would like to ask @James Rye to say how he used the role.

Until next time,

Olivia 🫒"
 

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Secondary was Doctor, so I ain't challenging anything. Sakura's result is correct.
Why didnt you hint anything about this situation? I would have expected some digging around yesterday about possible secondaries besides lovers
 

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I don’t think I have ever been in a game where a true temp role was assigned as secondary Loke in the rules (except ofc where it dealt directly with mechanics but that’s mechanics)
 

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@Baka Taichou I had a temporary role that I made use of last night and no longer have. No big deal on that end. But yeah with Lovers and Traitor I can see why you wouldn't trust me with that.
And what was the role there buddy? And are you saying if Baka were to investigate you again, you'd be clean? Doesn't that more sound like a Traitor recruit though?

Twice in a row Traitor my my. Gets me wondering why beginning of the day @Baka Taichou were all over Asasko being a traitor. That doesn't make any sense with your results now, does it?
 

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What doctor is a main role.
It doesnt matter, according to the rules any Town role could be a temporary role, but his claim of being an active role + having an active secondary sounds like big BS :lambirb
 

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as i previously mentioned this game, yes I was <3

are you, like, trying to, like, take James' side?


what? Doctor as a secondary?
You said fishy….
I asked if he was carrying a fish….
There’s a joke in there somewhere that was missed
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ohohohoho now this is a development, good job Sak
 

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Who was the supposed temp target?
 

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lol Sakura, I knew you were Psy from that post you asked lambu about it!

Interesting dev!

What if James is traitor and was killed N1 and recruited?

Or TP?
was it that obvious? I tried 50-50 to make it obv but not THAT obv xDDDDD
I'm leaning towards TP honestly, because of his lover obsession D1.

@Baka Taichou I had a temporary role that I made use of last night and no longer have. No big deal on that end. But yeah with Lovers and Traitor I can see why you wouldn't trust me with that.

@Erinyes @Farfalla My guess for Asako is Mafia Escort. Because if she is one then that would be great.
missed this, so how is doctor a secondary role, did i miss secondary roles info in the mechanics post?
 

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I dont think James is a traitor, he bit too hard on Gry, seems counterproductive.

It goes without saying that Doctor-chans might have to protect Sakura to prove this "temporary role" of his. If she gets secondary again then he's most possibly a Town lover

Omg buddy, did you forget what he did last game? Got Shad lynched to test his "sanity" as Traitor.
 

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I don’t think I have ever been in a game where a true temp role was assigned as secondary Loke in the rules (except ofc where it dealt directly with mechanics but that’s mechanics)
same
 

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Omg buddy, did you forget what he did last game? Got Shad lynched to test his "sanity" as Traitor.
Shad was already dead by then, using him as a stepping stone to gain credibility made sense + call for a mafia kill

This situation of him spearheading a lynch on Gry is a completely different thing
 

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And what was the role there buddy? And are you saying if Baka were to investigate you again, you'd be clean? Doesn't that more sound like a Traitor recruit though?

Twice in a row Traitor my my. Gets me wondering why beginning of the day @Baka Taichou were all over Asasko being a traitor. That doesn't make any sense with your results now, does it?
because I think James is lover :)
 

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Is he claiming temp role?

  • Temporary Role (Unassigned): Temporary Roles are Townie roles that are for one use only. If the Temporary Role has a day or night action, it disappears after the use of it. If it doesnot, it disappears automatically one day after receiving it. Detectives cannot identify Temporary Roles. (GAME 47)
It says detective can't see it, maybe Psy can? Council people can you help confirm?
 

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Either means a kill was blocked either by prostitute or by doc or that the mafia recruited somebody, sleeper or traitor. It also means we don't have to worry about a 2nd kill party because two blocked kills at night are usually very unlikely.
This seems like a dumb statement now. I mean if we had a surplus of protection/blocker with main roles and now a temp role…. There could have been a lot of coverage? :SOON:handgun
 

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and asako behaved like a traitor
 

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Still pretty confused about that lover talk Day 1 if he was one himself, maybe he did not expect a Psychiatrist.
 

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Is he claiming temp role?



It says detective can't see it, maybe Psy can? Council people can you help confirm?
detectives generally can't identify secondary roles, it's why psychiatrist exists. That's why sane detective gets innocent on town lover and traitor
 
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