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Aight, here are the game infos (setup and actions):
IDAffiliationPrimary RoleSecondary RoleSanityPlayer
1TownDetectiveInsaneMadNat
2TownSpySaneBrandish
3TownDoctorSaneAsako
4TownBansheeGB
5TownNecromancerShad
6TownPsychiatristBaka Taichou
7TownProstituteEvil3ye
8TownBulletproofLambu
9TownMorticiandigital
10TownPsychiatristHolt
11TownProsecutorLady Pompom
12Third PartySanta ClausKat
13Town/MafiaPirateTraitorJames Rye
13Town/MafiaNobleTraitorCrescent
15MafiaMafia DetectiveSirSamuel
16MafiaStrongmanGrySun
17MafiaMafia EscortCopy Panda
18MafiaPirateMarmalade
GIFTS LIST

❄ Brewster's Gift "Drink it hot or give it up." (Hot Potato)
The Hot Potato explodes at the end of a day designated by the host before the start of the game, killing the player holding it. The holder of the Hot Potato doesn't know when it will explode, but he can pass it to another player at night, separately from any night ability he has. This passing can't be blocked. If the holder gets killed, the Potato explodes killing both the holder and the killer; if the holder is lynched, the Potato [dies with him].
❄ Kicks' Gift "You never know how things might turn out." (single-use Bar Keeper redirect)
One player ends up being the drunkest and uses his night action on a random player.
❄ CJ's Gift "A night cruise is a good way to catch night fish." (single-use Mafia Detective)
The Mafia Detective has the ability to investigate one player per Night and learn the player's Role. Only he is told the role of his target via PM. Whenever the Mafia Detective's investigation ability is performed, he cannot be chosen to go for a kill on the same night.
❄ Wisp's Gift "Tah-Dahh!" (this player's votes are worded as "Ho ho ho" during the next day)

❄ Jingle's Gift "Isn't this the best time of the year, kid?" Mandatory 5th Gift
(Santa Clause: this gift allows the game to go on. At the end of the game, Santa wins with the other winning party. Happy celebration ;)



Now first lemme thank @Erinyes for her massive participation in the game. At first, I got the November slot to host alone, and she asked me to join and I'm so happy she did! She's not only a very curious and interested person so we had a very nice and easy time discussing our ideas, but she also has the strength and endurance of a lion... I was often dead while we were hosting, but Erinchi followed everything and kept the game organized. She barely slept @.@ And that's a testimony I really needed to share with you all, 'cause her dedication and calm deserve lots of appreciation.

Also thanks @Hardy and @Vandred for double-checking the game mech (and in Poop's case, the comp as well) and giving us your honest thoughts, so we could try to present a game that would be fair and entertaining to people.

And finally, even tho some other points were addressed already, I'd like to thank all the players, from the heart. I know this game was too soon because of my availability due to local holidays, and I know you guys were tired - which for sure didn't improve during this time lol. So I really need to commend you all, because you guys were either putting in a lot of time and effort inside the game, analyzing and discussing nonstop, or in the deadpad - you guys also got no rest. As hosts, that's the biggest kind of feedback we could get: to have you guys really onboard. Some moves were questionable, but no one can't say any of those teams weren't trying... it's only natural that drained people will make some mistakes, so to me that's another sign of the praise you guys deserve.

Quick comments about the game that I've mentioned in the deadpad already: in general, the idea with the mech was to add a simple new function (and we tried to map beforehand the main game new considerations we'd need to have it in place) but that could allow a new set of strategical moves to be exploited - now I would reconsider the priority we used since we realize it would have been more adherent to people's preference. The game also had 2 Traitors 'cause Pirate is a VERY weak mafia that can suicide and lose the ability to kill later on, so we wanted to give them better odds (lemme say it one more time in here that the notion that means town had 2 extra people to lynch is wrong, first because town had 2 killing tools in the Prosecutor and the Banshee, and second because they don't need to eliminate unrecruited traitors to win). It had 2 Psys 'cause even tho we wanted mafia to have better chances to recruit, that didn't mean we wanted them to recruit BOTH, so town had more chances to find at least one on the other hand (even if one role would get erased eventually), and at the same time the role could cause some confusion that mafia could exploit. The Mortician came in place to trace stuff like Santa and fake claims/transfers regarding any role/action that got "buried" - imo it's more effective than the SM because it can target antitown and spot unknown stuff that could still be in-game; it was a late game resource that had good chances of being effective with the role transfer mech. The Necromancer was also in there for its recycling capabilities since we'd have roles being lost, and in this setup it would be less OP than it usually is, since his options would still be reduced. The Santa was there for extra fun, imo, since the role could still be used even if the OG player and their wincon was gone: two gifts - that we expected to be the last ones - were clear signs that there was a Santa in-game in case it would fly by too successfully - and even that was just to cause some ruckus since the last gift allowed the game to go on after Santa would win - which to me it's a needed measure so we won't have sudden major frustration with an unexpected game end (I do understand why the game usually has to end when Santa is in it, so people don't ignore the role, but in this case we saw an opportunity to play around that and fix the issue regarding that); Santa's other gifts were there to provide some extra spice but unfortunately, as you can see in the night actions, I made a mistake while processing GB's action with the Hot Potato. GB got blocked by Evil when he tried to pass it to James and I overlooked it that the passing can't be blocked. It would have been simple to fix it during the day by PMing the both of them if Bran didn't spy on GB and, coincidentally, Sam hadn't claimed the exact same action and outcome. After discussing with some people, we reached the conclusion that the attitude that would cause the least interference and damage to a bigger number of players would be to just remove the Hot Potato from the game and inform that to GB, which is what we did.

GG mafia, you fought the long battle and won! GG town, it's never easy to be on the more clueless side, trying to put pieces together. GG Santa cause Santa is always fun~
 

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I don't get it, why are you again worried for her? A Psych doesn't threaten Mafia team at all, but rather cleans their ranks.
Can they use her death to cause a misslynch, I don't see how since mafia lover can't convince his team to do it.

Is one of the Active guys maybe something like a Bomb Diffuser? Asako's resignation kind of makes me worried she is suicidal with purpose. And Imagine she passes that shit to a buddy that will blow up an other one??
So yeah, I was scared when I was last voter, but now it the detective xD

@James Rye jump on the hypothetical grenade you are passive :hug

:doge you gonna scare me again....and ppl think being the last one ain't an excuse :emocat
It doesn't hurt to be safe but, voting baldly is more deadly than bombs, if you vote badly you can be lynched and saying I was afraid of bomb won't help.
 

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Is one of the Active guys maybe something like a Bomb Diffuser? Asako's resignation kind of makes me worried she is suicidal with purpose. And Imagine she passes that shit to a buddy that will blow up an other one??
If she were bomb, would there be a point in hiding it? If anything I think it’ll induce more chaos as some will be scared to vote on her. Pretty much a win win. If this is a major concern, we can have James lock on her. I mean he claims vanilla with a spent doc secondary, and he’ll have that pretty much hanging over him rest of the game. No harm in having him vote last on her
 

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I know that, but its also a classic diversion technique. Kill the Psych so James is not confirmed, and we have someone to bully during the following days while not looking out of place. Defensive move, but very possible. I dont like the idea of never getting confirmation on James status.

Hmmhh, really don't think this is a good strategy at this point, when they have one Detective in the open, and don't know the other. And it's Day 3 tomorrow. Sure they might block Nat, but the other will come for their necks or confirm towns. They cannot keep two guys in check constantly.

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Ok Lover boy, we have a new mission for you. :ninja
 

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Oh right, forgot to mention that @Crescent Jinx suggestion to double lynch rubbed me the wrong way. I mean those never work and why the rush. Also what about trains being boring? Gry was trained yesterday and I didn’t see much complain about that from her? And yesterday she had weird votes because she was impatient and wanted to spotlight an inactive ?
 

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Oh right, forgot to mention that @Crescent Jinx suggestion to double lynch rubbed me the wrong way. I mean those never work and why the rush. Also what about trains being boring? Gry was trained yesterday and I didn’t see much complain about that from her? And yesterday she had weird votes because she was impatient and wanted to spotlight an inactive ?
Yes, I have nothing against the idea of not voting the obvious mafia, but she said putting 2 people and see who snipes.

I don't think she meant it as it impossible to implement, but it is wierd.

But jinx is strong headed so I expect quirks.

Holt wait until Panda, marm and other catch up, and give your opinion on the lay lows.
 

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So gonna watch some animes and wait the next 2h 12min until we lynching the next person... i have to decide what to do during night...^^
 

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Yes, I have nothing against the idea of not voting the obvious mafia, but she said putting 2 people and see who snipes.

I don't think she meant it as it impossible to implement, but it is wierd.

But jinx is strong headed so I expect quirks.

Holt wait until Panda, marm and other catch up, and give your opinion on the lay lows.
Crescent has high chances of being Mafia Noble yes, that Det confirmation would be everything.
 

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So gonna watch some animes and wait the next 2h 12min until we lynching the next person... i have to decide what to do during night...^^

You know, if that helps, you cannot do anything wrong this night. If you target someone and get guilty we know it's a townie, if an inncent, even better. I don't really high hopes for you to surviving though, if Asasko is not carrying the Strongman jin equip. So don't burst your head too much about it :sweatdrop

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Crescent has high chances of being Mafia Noble yes, that Det confirmation would be everything.

Mafia Noble is a role that is "overwritable". You think she made a mistake revealing it? Perhaps Gry didn't pass it as it would be instant lynch, hmm. But kind of makes little sense to tell the role so early if not town, or?
 

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Im starting to have a bad feeling about this. Koko sounds and plays like a non-town, but seeing most of the sus people going around like "save Asako" "I dont see anything wrong with her" but not doing anything to actually save her (except that James train attempt) is unnerving me.

Cacaw!
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Too many spectator-players around, now in this situation we would love a Troublemaker.
 

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And now DD votes her on top of that ayayayyyy
 

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"save Asako" "I dont see anything wrong with her"
You thinking Mafia GB, Marm and Panda setting up for having no hand in and a clean vest from a townie lynch?

And now DD votes her on top of that ayayayyyy
"Mafia Rookie" on top of things, it what I yesterday was talking about buddies throwing in wrong guesses to save a role. Maybe Strongman is correct then!
 

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You thinking Mafia GB, Marm and Panda setting up for having no hand and a clean vest from a townie lynch?

"Mafia Rookie" on top of things, it what I yesterday was talking about buddies throwing in wrong guesses to save a role. Maybe Strongman is correct then!
To the first thing: Probably, add Kat there btw, the interview thingy was too short and monologuistic for my liking, as if she had her veredict scripted.

To the second thing: Doubt it, only DD theorized Mafia Rookie afaik so theres no throwing wrong guesses to mess with anything. I still believe Gry would not have passed Strongman to her of all people, she was too lynchable after yesterdays events.
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@Asako please reveal your role, its do or die for you by now.
 

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Yeah that was unfortunate, but well nothing we can do about it. I suggest you target CrescentJinx tonight to check if she is Town Noble or Mafia Noble.

Since you got Guilty on me, that means you are most likely Insane Det, which means any "Innocent" result you get from now on indicates Scum allignment. Only exception to this rule is Mafia Boss and Townie Lover(s), and its the reason you should not target James, if he's Townie Lover as I heavily suspect then your action would be wasted.

If they use Strongman on you none of this will matter, but at least lets force them to use one of their strongest assets to take you down. Doctor or ideally a Bodyguard should protect you without fail. My only regret is Sakura is exposed, lets hope they like the idea of her revealing James' status.
as WE heavily expect, hello, I'm the sussy Baka who pointed this out xDD

yes mafia chans let me live and reveal more secondary roles! You have nothing to lose (plus I've been dying D1-N2 for the past 2 games come on T_T)
 

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add Kat there btw
Really, but why, she voted along and pressured Asako with her interview thingies pretty early on. And was also yesterday calling out Gry's Innocent Detective ploy as BS that it was, so I kinda don't see that right now.



Yeah. But maybe just flattered as we were seeing eye to eye so far too often.
 
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