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Aight, here are the game infos (setup and actions):
IDAffiliationPrimary RoleSecondary RoleSanityPlayer
1TownDetectiveInsaneMadNat
2TownSpySaneBrandish
3TownDoctorSaneAsako
4TownBansheeGB
5TownNecromancerShad
6TownPsychiatristBaka Taichou
7TownProstituteEvil3ye
8TownBulletproofLambu
9TownMorticiandigital
10TownPsychiatristHolt
11TownProsecutorLady Pompom
12Third PartySanta ClausKat
13Town/MafiaPirateTraitorJames Rye
13Town/MafiaNobleTraitorCrescent
15MafiaMafia DetectiveSirSamuel
16MafiaStrongmanGrySun
17MafiaMafia EscortCopy Panda
18MafiaPirateMarmalade
GIFTS LIST

❄ Brewster's Gift "Drink it hot or give it up." (Hot Potato)
The Hot Potato explodes at the end of a day designated by the host before the start of the game, killing the player holding it. The holder of the Hot Potato doesn't know when it will explode, but he can pass it to another player at night, separately from any night ability he has. This passing can't be blocked. If the holder gets killed, the Potato explodes killing both the holder and the killer; if the holder is lynched, the Potato [dies with him].
❄ Kicks' Gift "You never know how things might turn out." (single-use Bar Keeper redirect)
One player ends up being the drunkest and uses his night action on a random player.
❄ CJ's Gift "A night cruise is a good way to catch night fish." (single-use Mafia Detective)
The Mafia Detective has the ability to investigate one player per Night and learn the player's Role. Only he is told the role of his target via PM. Whenever the Mafia Detective's investigation ability is performed, he cannot be chosen to go for a kill on the same night.
❄ Wisp's Gift "Tah-Dahh!" (this player's votes are worded as "Ho ho ho" during the next day)

❄ Jingle's Gift "Isn't this the best time of the year, kid?" Mandatory 5th Gift
(Santa Clause: this gift allows the game to go on. At the end of the game, Santa wins with the other winning party. Happy celebration ;)



Now first lemme thank @Erinyes for her massive participation in the game. At first, I got the November slot to host alone, and she asked me to join and I'm so happy she did! She's not only a very curious and interested person so we had a very nice and easy time discussing our ideas, but she also has the strength and endurance of a lion... I was often dead while we were hosting, but Erinchi followed everything and kept the game organized. She barely slept @.@ And that's a testimony I really needed to share with you all, 'cause her dedication and calm deserve lots of appreciation.

Also thanks @Hardy and @Vandred for double-checking the game mech (and in Poop's case, the comp as well) and giving us your honest thoughts, so we could try to present a game that would be fair and entertaining to people.

And finally, even tho some other points were addressed already, I'd like to thank all the players, from the heart. I know this game was too soon because of my availability due to local holidays, and I know you guys were tired - which for sure didn't improve during this time lol. So I really need to commend you all, because you guys were either putting in a lot of time and effort inside the game, analyzing and discussing nonstop, or in the deadpad - you guys also got no rest. As hosts, that's the biggest kind of feedback we could get: to have you guys really onboard. Some moves were questionable, but no one can't say any of those teams weren't trying... it's only natural that drained people will make some mistakes, so to me that's another sign of the praise you guys deserve.

Quick comments about the game that I've mentioned in the deadpad already: in general, the idea with the mech was to add a simple new function (and we tried to map beforehand the main game new considerations we'd need to have it in place) but that could allow a new set of strategical moves to be exploited - now I would reconsider the priority we used since we realize it would have been more adherent to people's preference. The game also had 2 Traitors 'cause Pirate is a VERY weak mafia that can suicide and lose the ability to kill later on, so we wanted to give them better odds (lemme say it one more time in here that the notion that means town had 2 extra people to lynch is wrong, first because town had 2 killing tools in the Prosecutor and the Banshee, and second because they don't need to eliminate unrecruited traitors to win). It had 2 Psys 'cause even tho we wanted mafia to have better chances to recruit, that didn't mean we wanted them to recruit BOTH, so town had more chances to find at least one on the other hand (even if one role would get erased eventually), and at the same time the role could cause some confusion that mafia could exploit. The Mortician came in place to trace stuff like Santa and fake claims/transfers regarding any role/action that got "buried" - imo it's more effective than the SM because it can target antitown and spot unknown stuff that could still be in-game; it was a late game resource that had good chances of being effective with the role transfer mech. The Necromancer was also in there for its recycling capabilities since we'd have roles being lost, and in this setup it would be less OP than it usually is, since his options would still be reduced. The Santa was there for extra fun, imo, since the role could still be used even if the OG player and their wincon was gone: two gifts - that we expected to be the last ones - were clear signs that there was a Santa in-game in case it would fly by too successfully - and even that was just to cause some ruckus since the last gift allowed the game to go on after Santa would win - which to me it's a needed measure so we won't have sudden major frustration with an unexpected game end (I do understand why the game usually has to end when Santa is in it, so people don't ignore the role, but in this case we saw an opportunity to play around that and fix the issue regarding that); Santa's other gifts were there to provide some extra spice but unfortunately, as you can see in the night actions, I made a mistake while processing GB's action with the Hot Potato. GB got blocked by Evil when he tried to pass it to James and I overlooked it that the passing can't be blocked. It would have been simple to fix it during the day by PMing the both of them if Bran didn't spy on GB and, coincidentally, Sam hadn't claimed the exact same action and outcome. After discussing with some people, we reached the conclusion that the attitude that would cause the least interference and damage to a bigger number of players would be to just remove the Hot Potato from the game and inform that to GB, which is what we did.

GG mafia, you fought the long battle and won! GG town, it's never easy to be on the more clueless side, trying to put pieces together. GG Santa cause Santa is always fun~
 

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He gave a hint that makes it very likely that he knows.

@Copy Panda I'm planning to reveal my role today in case I die, reveal first.
so? want me to reveal first or?
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Scuse me?! Maronna mia io ho among the top due posters this a game! Way more to say about than yourself. I lynched Gry D1, while being super wrong about cattiva Asako, I admit, I considered switch a you and a marmalade, but information about the Doctor came way too late to hussle.

I asked the you about the Pirate target schenanegan, make no sense you, whatsoever. And now you want to lynch the poor James? How dare you, the poor James again, such as wanted the bad marmalade yesterday!
werent you hardcore defending james yesterday despite bakatai's insinuations? you even went all LEAVE. JAMES. ALONE. on her
 

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why went the anonymous vote on brandish??? Jinx, if you are noble? or whoever is doing this? why Brandish? for what, out of the blue... or does the person know more and is secretly talking to mafia during night and they know sth about brandish :3c :doge
 

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Allora, va bene, let's figure this Copy Guy riddle out, what are the options.

1) legit Townie Pirate, who fucked up Day 1 with target naming, fucked up Day 2 with sus list naming

2) really Mafia Detective, who fumbled with role list PM and mistook Marms role for his, investigated Shad's role to claim, 2a) Marm stole someone else N1 and got killed N2, or 2b) Marm got killed by recruitment attempt N2

3) really Mafia [Member], who fumbled with role list PM and mistook Marms role for his, Marm stole Shad's role N1 and told Panda via morse code D2, then got killed by killing TP (Mentor or SK) -> scary

4) he is really Mafia Pirate No.2 :hmm 4a), 4b).

5) he is arancia Mafia Pirate ?

Something else possible?
James’s lover?
why went the anonymous vote on brandish??? Jinx, if you are noble? or whoever is doing this? why Brandish? for what, out of the blue... or does the person know more and is secretly talking to mafia during night and they know sth about brandish :3c :doge
:babyrage I said it twice now

But wait…..


Deck the halls with bows of holly
Far-la-la-fa-la-la-la

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Farfalla’s name is perfect for this song. Going to have to put butterflies in my Holly mow
 

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werent you hardcore defending james yesterday despite bakatai's insinuations? you even went all LEAVE. JAMES. ALONE. on her
Yeah, buddy, I was. Which was because she was keeping her investigations a secret to share it only the second half day. Then I was tsk tsk'd on James. But I'm an all men's Koala, he wishes, but James ain't my exclusive Lover, if that is what you are implying. Just one of many.
 

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the issue that gives me, if someone votes out of the blue, wouldn't it be better for mafia noble to irritate than for an town noble to wait for a good choice ... :mono
 

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werent you hardcore defending james yesterday despite bakatai's insinuations? you even went all LEAVE. JAMES. ALONE. on her
What is even your accusation?
James is town lover and evil is mafia lover?
James is town lover and evil is Three some candidate?

And why are you so bent on killing the lover? Why aren't you suspecting anybody all game? Is James your only option?

And why aren't you concerned by the Sakura kill?

And why are you misunderstanding priorities, there is a difference between trusting James and thinking James is not a priority.

Yes reveal
 

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"Illusion: A secondary role caused by the Shapeshifter. The player is not made aware of getting this secondary role, and can continue to write posts, vote and submit any day or night actions he has. However, his vote will be registered as usual but it won't count towards lynches, and his role will lose all its active/passive effects."

maybe i am this, if my action did not get block and we have a shapeshifter
you are fooling me :emocat
 

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James and Evil lovers? lol. Did Panda/Shad reveal? What’s the story there
 

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James and Evil lovers? lol. Did Panda/Shad reveal? What’s the story there
I'm no lover, monogamy is an outdated institution, amore if for everyone, this is Panda's tin foil hat theory.

Panda claims to have stolen Shad's Doctor role, is what he said.
 

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I'm no lover, monogamy is an outdated institution, amore if for everyone, this is Panda's tin foil hat theory.

Panda claims to have stolen Shad's Doctor role, is what he said.
Can't confirm or deny yet, let panda claim first.
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Mafia knowing my role means there is no point in keeping it hidden so I'm revealing today either way so town has the info as well.
 

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Panda claims to have stolen Shad's Doctor role, is what he said.
what role can steal a role from another one? who is still alive :SOON
 

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What is even your accusation?
James is town lover and evil is mafia lover?
James is town lover and evil is Three some candidate?
Alternatively James is recruited and Evil is mafia with him. Raising it as a possibility.

And why are you so bent on killing the lover? Why aren't you suspecting anybody all game? Is James your only option?
Arent YOU hyperfocussing on me now that your lover is dead?? You have absolutely nothing on me sans your paranoia.

And why aren't you concerned by the Sakura kill?
I had a brief amount of time before dinner, took to answer somr stuffs, will share more thoughts later
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Yeah, buddy, I was. Which was because she was keeping her investigations a secret to share it only the second half day. Then I was tsk tsk'd on James. But I'm an all men's Koala, he wishes, but James ain't my exclusive Lover, if that is what you are implying. Just one of many.
merely raising the possibility youre aligned is all 🧐 you did go out of your way to shift attention from him to poor asako
 

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@Baka Taichou you have unfinished business that why you can't go to the light, telepathically transfer your result, and tell Asako to stop talking badly about me, don't let the devil Gry convince her to hate me.


Arent YOU hyperfocussing on me now that your lover is dead?? You have absolutely nothing on me sans your paranoia.
Are you saying I'm the lover and James is dead?
Wouldn't you be dead if I was TP?


I had a brief amount of time before dinner, took to answer somr stuffs, will share more thoughts later
More like changing your version like yesterday.
What the newest version, you targeted somebody else and this was all just a hoax?
 

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I used his power to target nat btw, right now our most valued player
Can't confirm or deny yet, let panda claim first.
Above is what he said about the role, targetted N2 Nat. Does that make sense with your role, you didn't say anything so I just assumed Doc instantly, or else you'd contest that, or?

What I dont get is this:


I targeted shad bc he was being cantankerous with me, so I wanted to take his role. It's true I initially targeted hyung bc I thought he was suspect, and then thought about lambu bc he's legit, but yeah went with shad to take his shit
"It's true I initially targeted hyung bc I thought he was suspect" <- as a Pirate, so suicide mission? But then put him on his most trusted list D2, huh.
"then thought about lambu bc he's legit" <- this option would have instantly confirmed him, most logical as a Townie.
"but yeah went with shad to take his shit" <- mega shady, if he died on you this wouldnt look very good for possible townie roles that he mentioned on D1.

Yeah, buddy, this argumentation line makes no sense whatsoever. Then the whole suspect-trusted list BS, just smells like huge fake play. He even Put Baka into his most sus list along with me and James, and now talking like he always trusted her lmao. Che cazzo, such a fake.


let me cross Evil’s name off my little black book
Mimi Queenie, amore that better not be the death note. :sweat
 

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i btw did accuse others, youre just ignoring that posts content essentially
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Are you saying I'm the lover and James is dead?
Wouldn't you be dead if I was TP?
"your lover" meaning gry lmao
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Yeah, buddy, this argumentation line makes no sense whatsoever. Then the whole suspect-trusted list BS, just smells like huge fake play. He even Put Baka into his most sus list along with me and James, and now talking like he always trusted her lmao. Che cazzo, such a fake.
strawman, never said that ._.
 

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I'll make a vote now for your reference. May changed depending on the Shad-Copy outcome, and there's James who seems an obvious candidate.

Votekill Kat

The interviews are nice but it's all one way. Yesterday, you were my next choice after Marmalade. Surely could be wrong about you, and as mentioned above there are reasonable lynch options available today. Just noting this for all as my main suspect, rightly or wrongly.
 

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"your lover" meaning gry lmao
Oh so I'm the one focused on you, even tho you are the one throwing the game to spit me.

You really think I will buy you playing badly because you think I don't like you?
 

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MadNat if you are mafia I will vote you MVP of this game :toc
Wouldn't Marm have died if she tried to steal from MadNat but MadNat got recruited in night 1? It would fit Holt's suggestion that MadNat was Mafia pirate's best option of all the known roles and it would explain the strange Mafia Pirate death.
 
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