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Aight, here are the game infos (setup and actions):
IDAffiliationPrimary RoleSecondary RoleSanityPlayer
1TownDetectiveInsaneMadNat
2TownSpySaneBrandish
3TownDoctorSaneAsako
4TownBansheeGB
5TownNecromancerShad
6TownPsychiatristBaka Taichou
7TownProstituteEvil3ye
8TownBulletproofLambu
9TownMorticiandigital
10TownPsychiatristHolt
11TownProsecutorLady Pompom
12Third PartySanta ClausKat
13Town/MafiaPirateTraitorJames Rye
13Town/MafiaNobleTraitorCrescent
15MafiaMafia DetectiveSirSamuel
16MafiaStrongmanGrySun
17MafiaMafia EscortCopy Panda
18MafiaPirateMarmalade
GIFTS LIST

❄ Brewster's Gift "Drink it hot or give it up." (Hot Potato)
The Hot Potato explodes at the end of a day designated by the host before the start of the game, killing the player holding it. The holder of the Hot Potato doesn't know when it will explode, but he can pass it to another player at night, separately from any night ability he has. This passing can't be blocked. If the holder gets killed, the Potato explodes killing both the holder and the killer; if the holder is lynched, the Potato [dies with him].
❄ Kicks' Gift "You never know how things might turn out." (single-use Bar Keeper redirect)
One player ends up being the drunkest and uses his night action on a random player.
❄ CJ's Gift "A night cruise is a good way to catch night fish." (single-use Mafia Detective)
The Mafia Detective has the ability to investigate one player per Night and learn the player's Role. Only he is told the role of his target via PM. Whenever the Mafia Detective's investigation ability is performed, he cannot be chosen to go for a kill on the same night.
❄ Wisp's Gift "Tah-Dahh!" (this player's votes are worded as "Ho ho ho" during the next day)

❄ Jingle's Gift "Isn't this the best time of the year, kid?" Mandatory 5th Gift
(Santa Clause: this gift allows the game to go on. At the end of the game, Santa wins with the other winning party. Happy celebration ;)



Now first lemme thank @Erinyes for her massive participation in the game. At first, I got the November slot to host alone, and she asked me to join and I'm so happy she did! She's not only a very curious and interested person so we had a very nice and easy time discussing our ideas, but she also has the strength and endurance of a lion... I was often dead while we were hosting, but Erinchi followed everything and kept the game organized. She barely slept @.@ And that's a testimony I really needed to share with you all, 'cause her dedication and calm deserve lots of appreciation.

Also thanks @Hardy and @Vandred for double-checking the game mech (and in Poop's case, the comp as well) and giving us your honest thoughts, so we could try to present a game that would be fair and entertaining to people.

And finally, even tho some other points were addressed already, I'd like to thank all the players, from the heart. I know this game was too soon because of my availability due to local holidays, and I know you guys were tired - which for sure didn't improve during this time lol. So I really need to commend you all, because you guys were either putting in a lot of time and effort inside the game, analyzing and discussing nonstop, or in the deadpad - you guys also got no rest. As hosts, that's the biggest kind of feedback we could get: to have you guys really onboard. Some moves were questionable, but no one can't say any of those teams weren't trying... it's only natural that drained people will make some mistakes, so to me that's another sign of the praise you guys deserve.

Quick comments about the game that I've mentioned in the deadpad already: in general, the idea with the mech was to add a simple new function (and we tried to map beforehand the main game new considerations we'd need to have it in place) but that could allow a new set of strategical moves to be exploited - now I would reconsider the priority we used since we realize it would have been more adherent to people's preference. The game also had 2 Traitors 'cause Pirate is a VERY weak mafia that can suicide and lose the ability to kill later on, so we wanted to give them better odds (lemme say it one more time in here that the notion that means town had 2 extra people to lynch is wrong, first because town had 2 killing tools in the Prosecutor and the Banshee, and second because they don't need to eliminate unrecruited traitors to win). It had 2 Psys 'cause even tho we wanted mafia to have better chances to recruit, that didn't mean we wanted them to recruit BOTH, so town had more chances to find at least one on the other hand (even if one role would get erased eventually), and at the same time the role could cause some confusion that mafia could exploit. The Mortician came in place to trace stuff like Santa and fake claims/transfers regarding any role/action that got "buried" - imo it's more effective than the SM because it can target antitown and spot unknown stuff that could still be in-game; it was a late game resource that had good chances of being effective with the role transfer mech. The Necromancer was also in there for its recycling capabilities since we'd have roles being lost, and in this setup it would be less OP than it usually is, since his options would still be reduced. The Santa was there for extra fun, imo, since the role could still be used even if the OG player and their wincon was gone: two gifts - that we expected to be the last ones - were clear signs that there was a Santa in-game in case it would fly by too successfully - and even that was just to cause some ruckus since the last gift allowed the game to go on after Santa would win - which to me it's a needed measure so we won't have sudden major frustration with an unexpected game end (I do understand why the game usually has to end when Santa is in it, so people don't ignore the role, but in this case we saw an opportunity to play around that and fix the issue regarding that); Santa's other gifts were there to provide some extra spice but unfortunately, as you can see in the night actions, I made a mistake while processing GB's action with the Hot Potato. GB got blocked by Evil when he tried to pass it to James and I overlooked it that the passing can't be blocked. It would have been simple to fix it during the day by PMing the both of them if Bran didn't spy on GB and, coincidentally, Sam hadn't claimed the exact same action and outcome. After discussing with some people, we reached the conclusion that the attitude that would cause the least interference and damage to a bigger number of players would be to just remove the Hot Potato from the game and inform that to GB, which is what we did.

GG mafia, you fought the long battle and won! GG town, it's never easy to be on the more clueless side, trying to put pieces together. GG Santa cause Santa is always fun~
 

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- Panda prepared his claim on D1, by stating his target GB.
- D2 I spent writing posts about it and the possible reasons he would do it: town/mafia/mentor
- He waited until the end of the day and stated that I'm barely trust worthy and that GB is trustworthy.
- He then said he targeted Shad!
- Day 2 ended before we could question him.
- D3 he claimed my role.

Him knowing me role means he isn't mentor.
He has 2 way of knowing, either Marm told him in code in D2 or in the pad in N2, or marm targeted MadNat and they have a detective.

The fact he waited until the end of the day to claim to avoid being questioned, suggests that they don't have a detective or they didn't check me on N1 or they didn't agree on a code for marm to use in D2.
omg i say lawl is trusted every game. you cherry pick some random shit from some random game and willfully ignore the fact i let him loose till later in the game

and if mpirate steals town det they get town det it doesnt transform. stop hyperfocussing on me jfc
 

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Those are fair, but wouldn’t it be odd for Panda as a mafia to claim Pirate when Marm is one? I find M.Det unlikely with this mechanic. I feel it defeats the purpose. Especially since the role can be passed. I find another M.Pirate unlikely too. There are already ways to cripple town roles without needing 2 pirates. I do see how he has been inconsistent but I think we can potentially postpone the lynch. I’m not sold on him being scum tbh

Also, @Shad Kat is she.

The hypothesis here is that he indeed was busy and mixed up the roles in PM. They both have a panda character as avatar and as we remember he didn't even wear his until late Day 1. :hmm
 

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The short version

I waited for him to claim my role then asked him a question to see if he spent any time thinking from the perspective of a town that was necro since he already said earlier that he targeted Asako, so he used it.

It was a trick question about how the role will interact with DD's mortician.

His answer was completely wrong, he talked about how he also found it wierd that DD didn't see his action and that he could have been blocked.

The real answer is that you can't even use Asako role if she transfer it and that is something obvious for any legit necro, only a mafia busy and not planning to use it to begin with, wouldn't think about mechanic/mortician Vs necro.

But

He didn't even talk about priorities so I'm willing to accept that he answered fast and didn't you what you and DD talked about.

So I'm not confident, waiting for him to talk more.
idgi sometimes im playing busy card, sometimes im mafia whos actually busy card, evrry explanation of yours focusses on me being mafia when necro doesnt even get feedback on whether or not the role was used -_-
 

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She* is a fem cat.

But let run this through, in a perfect world, would digital thing even be able to confirm him?
Like if they used a M.Detective to find your role, and you still have your role and targeted also Asako that night, would give same action to him.So question to you : did you or did you not?
I stupidly did, I was scared of lambu blaming me for the detective death, but it doesn't matter, since Asako would transfer her role so my action is completely useless.

If DD checks Asako tomorrow he wouldn't find anything no matter what happened today.
 

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The hypothesis here is that he indeed was busy and mixed up the roles in PM. They both have a panda character as avatar and as we remember he didn't even wear his until late Day 1. :hmm
what does me not changing avi when playing on phone have to do with anything?
 

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waiting for him to talk more.

What will that bring? He keeps repeating his wanting to troll everyone like a mantra, including you with the role, town with the sus list and so forth.

This irrational play I will never understand, so something I can never judge on a human level and just to me is always -mafia play-

Looking for ways for him to redeem himself, which is why Holt and Lambu's input is interesting to me, because I don't see any.

But I said that yesterday also about Asako play.
 

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idgi sometimes im playing busy card, sometimes im mafia whos actually busy card, evrry explanation of yours focusses on me being mafia when necro doesnt even get feedback on whether or not the role was used -_-
Ok why are you focused on evil but GB get a pass? You said you were joking, but again you are throwing, because that joke is now a reason to lynch you, since you said you will target GB and then switched to saying it was me, the only reason you would say GB is clear is if he was your pirate target.

Or in the scenario you are mafia, your mafia buddy you originally planned to clear with your pirate usage.

You are making everything very complicated with jokes and changing your mind, and blaming me for writing complicated fan fictions >.<
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What will that bring? He keeps repeating his wanting to troll everyone like a mantra, including you with the role, town with the sus list and so forth.

This irrational play I will never understand, so something I can never judge on a human level and just to me is always -mafia play-

Looking for ways for him to redeem himself, which is why Holt and Lambu's input is interesting to me, because I don't see any.

But I said that yesterday also about Asako play.
Yesterday I was lazy with the Asako lynch, won't do that again.
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@Copy Panda What Asako did wrong is not have a lynch target to give us instead of her, so focusing on evil isn't the play here, can you find somebody you can tell today is mafia, not somebody not claiming or something
 

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but i do it literally every game, i literally always give him (and to an extent gry) a pass and focus on other players 😭 okay fine it was confusing but i thought it'd be recognized for what it was, just an ongoing meme smh
 

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How about that. Mafia saw that Town Panda Pirate was gonna die on Mafia GB, so they used Poisoner on Baka to not expose their Mafia buddy with two kills?

He went for an other target though instead. lol. Does that work?

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but i do it literally every game, i literally always give him (and to an extent gry) a pass and focus on other players 😭 okay fine it was confusing but i thought it'd be recognized for what it was, just an ongoing meme smh

OK, we broke him. Now who are your real sus targets then?
 

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yes hello if you dont want evil for whatever reason (idek what reason but whatever) kat, brandi and fine to an extent say hyung or holt or even sam or jinx, all valid targets for investigation or interrogation at least. i havent checked back (im literally just checking tags between drinks) but if they havent said anything ask them wtf they've been up to

i think jinx is easier to just inv since she has proven what her power is, i think holt is relatively pro-town, he's bringing up things non-town wouldn't, sam was pro-asako meaning he wasn't just blindly following her train but kat and bran are valid af mm
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ill wear that stupid ugly red panda for another week if between kat evil and bran there isn't at least a non-town
 

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but i do it literally every game, i literally always give him (and to an extent gry) a pass and focus on other players 😭 okay fine it was confusing but i thought it'd be recognized for what it was, just an ongoing meme smh
Didn't play with you for a while so I don't remember the memes but yeah it possible, which is why I'm asking you to clarify.

Can you be confirmed using DD?

Hopefully mafia doesn't have 2 pirates and you and DD aren't in one team.

You could prove using your role right? If a townie role drops and you don't get blocked.

Waaa so many ifs
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@Evil3ye I was too busy today with other players, summary on GB?
 

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@Evil3ye I was too busy today with other players, summary on GB?

Niente. His only thing was that he was sorry he looked sus for not killing our doctor and he doesn't want Baka's role.

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We have 14 more hours which is a goodie. Buona notte ragazzi!
 

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I don't think we should rush killing the necro it a very valuable role if this mechanic ever allowed it to be used plus Panda being sus will feel like a waste for mafia to night kill to get rid of the role and once doctor or detective drops, hoe will be busy blocking him to keep him Sus.

Niente. His only thing was that he was sorry he looked sus for not killing our doctor and he doesn't want Baka's role.
Yeah I didn't like his let kill James and he isn't even playing, we switch to him, he will be forced to claim but I will be locked.
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Let wait for lambu input before voting anything
 

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Yeah me too, hence I tried to mobilize our role less squadron to pressure him, Nat can put hers too.
 

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Ha-ha buddy, you realize it is either you or the hung guy today, don't you? Cast your vote on him to prove your resolve.
its hYung and what have YOU done to prove yourself> 😤 you wont even vote without approval of others.

again you the only passive in a town of actives, no claim, just following shad in tunneling on me. my vote goes to either you or kat, both coasting on some village rp 😤
 

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@Copy Panda how about we lynch you and if we are wrong you give me role back? Sounds like a fair deal xD
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its hYung and what have YOU done to prove yourself> 😤 you wont even vote without approval of others.

again you the only passive in a town of actives, no claim, just following shad in tunneling on me. my vote goes to either you or kat, both coasting on some village rp 😤
So no GB for you? You don't think he should claim as well?
 

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its hYung and what have YOU done to prove yourself> 😤 you wont even vote without approval of others.

again you the only passive in a town of actives, no claim, just following shad in tunneling on me. my vote goes to either you or kat, both coasting on some village rp 😤
I was about to be confirmed but your Team's hoebag got in the way, so shushhy. Not everyone gets the privilege of autoconfirm roles, it's not a always a dolce vita, sometimes mezzo dolce, what can i a say.

OK now bouna notte for sure
 

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🎤 For someone who didn't say much about their own background, you sure are curious. But I am indeed flattered by your attention, so I will give you some back. Firstly, I am a reporter as you know. That is my main job of course. When it comes to what I do when I am off-duty, well, I have already said that I am an active person, a night owl if you will. I am not afraid of nights, in fact, nights are fun. I can contribute to town more with my daily job though. I hope that satisfies your interest for now.

What about you? Care to share something?
For someone who's trying to look like a trustworthy bastion of town you're very quick to offer up word salads in the form of roleplay while saying the bare minimum about your role. Factor in my results and you're one of the scums we're looking for. Anything to say for yourself?

I don't want start no trains as I already voted Panda and that would lock me out, but I would like to have ... come si dice ...the options, as Mimi Jinx yesterday said.

But I would like to hear Lambu's, Sam's and maybs Brando's input too here to cross reference not being completely on wrong track. Also, what the reporter says?


@Kat @SirSamuel016 @Lambu @Brandish μ
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Also @Holt
I'm here. Scum are Panda, Kat, James, and then possibly GB or Brandish imo. If Asako gave her role to anyone I'd appreciate protection tonight.
 
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