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Aight, here are the game infos (setup and actions):
IDAffiliationPrimary RoleSecondary RoleSanityPlayer
1TownDetectiveInsaneMadNat
2TownSpySaneBrandish
3TownDoctorSaneAsako
4TownBansheeGB
5TownNecromancerShad
6TownPsychiatristBaka Taichou
7TownProstituteEvil3ye
8TownBulletproofLambu
9TownMorticiandigital
10TownPsychiatristHolt
11TownProsecutorLady Pompom
12Third PartySanta ClausKat
13Town/MafiaPirateTraitorJames Rye
13Town/MafiaNobleTraitorCrescent
15MafiaMafia DetectiveSirSamuel
16MafiaStrongmanGrySun
17MafiaMafia EscortCopy Panda
18MafiaPirateMarmalade
GIFTS LIST

❄ Brewster's Gift "Drink it hot or give it up." (Hot Potato)
The Hot Potato explodes at the end of a day designated by the host before the start of the game, killing the player holding it. The holder of the Hot Potato doesn't know when it will explode, but he can pass it to another player at night, separately from any night ability he has. This passing can't be blocked. If the holder gets killed, the Potato explodes killing both the holder and the killer; if the holder is lynched, the Potato [dies with him].
❄ Kicks' Gift "You never know how things might turn out." (single-use Bar Keeper redirect)
One player ends up being the drunkest and uses his night action on a random player.
❄ CJ's Gift "A night cruise is a good way to catch night fish." (single-use Mafia Detective)
The Mafia Detective has the ability to investigate one player per Night and learn the player's Role. Only he is told the role of his target via PM. Whenever the Mafia Detective's investigation ability is performed, he cannot be chosen to go for a kill on the same night.
❄ Wisp's Gift "Tah-Dahh!" (this player's votes are worded as "Ho ho ho" during the next day)

❄ Jingle's Gift "Isn't this the best time of the year, kid?" Mandatory 5th Gift
(Santa Clause: this gift allows the game to go on. At the end of the game, Santa wins with the other winning party. Happy celebration ;)



Now first lemme thank @Erinyes for her massive participation in the game. At first, I got the November slot to host alone, and she asked me to join and I'm so happy she did! She's not only a very curious and interested person so we had a very nice and easy time discussing our ideas, but she also has the strength and endurance of a lion... I was often dead while we were hosting, but Erinchi followed everything and kept the game organized. She barely slept @.@ And that's a testimony I really needed to share with you all, 'cause her dedication and calm deserve lots of appreciation.

Also thanks @Hardy and @Vandred for double-checking the game mech (and in Poop's case, the comp as well) and giving us your honest thoughts, so we could try to present a game that would be fair and entertaining to people.

And finally, even tho some other points were addressed already, I'd like to thank all the players, from the heart. I know this game was too soon because of my availability due to local holidays, and I know you guys were tired - which for sure didn't improve during this time lol. So I really need to commend you all, because you guys were either putting in a lot of time and effort inside the game, analyzing and discussing nonstop, or in the deadpad - you guys also got no rest. As hosts, that's the biggest kind of feedback we could get: to have you guys really onboard. Some moves were questionable, but no one can't say any of those teams weren't trying... it's only natural that drained people will make some mistakes, so to me that's another sign of the praise you guys deserve.

Quick comments about the game that I've mentioned in the deadpad already: in general, the idea with the mech was to add a simple new function (and we tried to map beforehand the main game new considerations we'd need to have it in place) but that could allow a new set of strategical moves to be exploited - now I would reconsider the priority we used since we realize it would have been more adherent to people's preference. The game also had 2 Traitors 'cause Pirate is a VERY weak mafia that can suicide and lose the ability to kill later on, so we wanted to give them better odds (lemme say it one more time in here that the notion that means town had 2 extra people to lynch is wrong, first because town had 2 killing tools in the Prosecutor and the Banshee, and second because they don't need to eliminate unrecruited traitors to win). It had 2 Psys 'cause even tho we wanted mafia to have better chances to recruit, that didn't mean we wanted them to recruit BOTH, so town had more chances to find at least one on the other hand (even if one role would get erased eventually), and at the same time the role could cause some confusion that mafia could exploit. The Mortician came in place to trace stuff like Santa and fake claims/transfers regarding any role/action that got "buried" - imo it's more effective than the SM because it can target antitown and spot unknown stuff that could still be in-game; it was a late game resource that had good chances of being effective with the role transfer mech. The Necromancer was also in there for its recycling capabilities since we'd have roles being lost, and in this setup it would be less OP than it usually is, since his options would still be reduced. The Santa was there for extra fun, imo, since the role could still be used even if the OG player and their wincon was gone: two gifts - that we expected to be the last ones - were clear signs that there was a Santa in-game in case it would fly by too successfully - and even that was just to cause some ruckus since the last gift allowed the game to go on after Santa would win - which to me it's a needed measure so we won't have sudden major frustration with an unexpected game end (I do understand why the game usually has to end when Santa is in it, so people don't ignore the role, but in this case we saw an opportunity to play around that and fix the issue regarding that); Santa's other gifts were there to provide some extra spice but unfortunately, as you can see in the night actions, I made a mistake while processing GB's action with the Hot Potato. GB got blocked by Evil when he tried to pass it to James and I overlooked it that the passing can't be blocked. It would have been simple to fix it during the day by PMing the both of them if Bran didn't spy on GB and, coincidentally, Sam hadn't claimed the exact same action and outcome. After discussing with some people, we reached the conclusion that the attitude that would cause the least interference and damage to a bigger number of players would be to just remove the Hot Potato from the game and inform that to GB, which is what we did.

GG mafia, you fought the long battle and won! GG town, it's never easy to be on the more clueless side, trying to put pieces together. GG Santa cause Santa is always fun~
 

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ill possess your router how about that
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So no GB for you? You don't think he should claim as well?
ofc he should, and imo kat and evil should too
 

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I don’t think we can get any further with Panda as things stand. It should be fine to let him stay for a bit longer in my opinion.

James is not a lynch target (for now at least). It is for the same reason I trust Evil (for now atleast)

Jinx has been misusing her anon for 3 days. Today she said it was because she feared being an illusion, just because I and some others theorised there might be one.

I don’t remember anything noteworthy from Kat?

If I were to go for any, it’d be GB~Jinx~Kat in that order.
 

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@Copy Panda so evil was early on the Gry train and made arguments that made a lot of sense to me, without a big name like evil, town would have been too afraid to vote Gry (his conqueror haki is very strong, you saw how far Asako went to help him).

So even tho evil is capable of thinking of ditching Gry fast, I think he wouldn't have done it this time.

My only concern is that he was recruited, but I'm he could also be the reason of the missing kill.

For him to be recruited he needs to be traitor or sleeper, he can't be sleeper since he claimed liking his role in D1 (need to double check), and for a traitor he went too hard on Gry, one of the best players.

I'm trying to explain to you why I don't care if he doesn't claim, if he is recruited, he can claim anything and get away with it since he is the only passive.
 

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I still don't understand why everyone was dead certain asako was mafia yesterday....just it doesn't make sense...
Too much of a high from Day 1. Its like that gambler who wins early and then gambles away all his winnings.
 

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oaky tbh ican see that, i suppose maybe im partly focussing on him bc he's focussing on me

what about say kat or sth then, i get whynot evil and whyyes hyung but what others on the list
 

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Too much of a high from Day 1. Its like that gambler who wins early and then gambles away all his winnings.
Today feels more like a normal mafia game with people voicing their theories and suspicions and theorizing more and the general back in forth rather than everyone jumping on one person and just getting mad when someone disagrees
 

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So Sam confessed Detective and gave us a lynch already you guys discussion other shit? Okkkk
 

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oaky tbh ican see that, i suppose maybe im partly focussing on him bc he's focussing on me

what about say kat or sth then, i get whynot evil and whyyes hyung but what others on the list
Yeah many names sound fine my only concern is people splitting votes and between the people not following and mafia, we lose control of the lynch, let wait for lambu's input to compare notes on all the sussies.

James is willing to go for Kat which is a good news, I like James just from behaviour I hope I don't regret it.
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So Sam confessed Detective and gave us a lynch already you guys discussion other shit? Okkkk
He did? Oh yeah!
 

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We will lynch James too at some point. Don't let his sully our hearts, that lover boy.

I don't distrust Sam, and yesterday Marm vote reaffirmed him for me even more. So let's kill Kat then? They will have to decide to block and kill both Detectives tomorrow, so perhaps we end up with an other result.

Also, @SirSamuel016 tell us the sanity pls, so if Necro is to use it we know.
 

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lol how did I miss that, SirSam the saviour as usual!
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I love investigative roles, makes life so much easier.

@votekill Kat

I don't really care what she has to say for herself, that Asako vote is unforgivable, using me to kill the purest of town :cussing


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Still on the road, I went out of my way and stopped reading a while ago, sorry.

As Im on page 53 right now and I've seen some bs already so I will stress these points:


- If they had the Strongman they would have most likely killed Nat, theres no freaking way they wouldn't after she basically outed herself as Town. The possibility of a BG is not enough to let go of this crucial point that is eliminating a Detective.
I was ready to see her dead today precisely because they were not going to let her survive with that role behind her. Them not killing her means they were afraid of doc protection, which brings us to the second point.

- In the case they dont have Strongman (most likely) theres another possibility: accounting fear of her protection on her person they opted for blocking her and stealing her role with Marm's Mafia Pirate to keep Detective outside of the equation effectively without actively getting rid of it.


Question for hosts:

@Farfalla @Erinyes If a Mafia Pirate steals a Role, do they die showing up that role they stole or are they revealed as Pirate regardless? I dont remember if the rule was changed and can't find it in interactions right now.


In other words, since they demonstrated being unable to kill her, their best option was to steal her role. If Mafia Pirate was to target someone tonight then that someone was Nat.
Which means Marm targetting a TP and dying to it is extremely unlikely, I wouldnt say impossible but below 5% chance easily.


Another question for hosts:

- If a Mortician targets someone that wasnt targetted by anyone, do they still get a result of some kind? I think they really do, but I need confirmation.


And lots of quotes I would like to answer, I'll keep reading until I fall sleep, feel free to tag me while Im at it.
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For someone who's trying to look like a trustworthy bastion of town you're very quick to offer up word salads in the form of roleplay while saying the bare minimum about your role. Factor in my results and you're one of the scums we're looking for. Anything to say for yourself?



I'm here. Scum are Panda, Kat, James, and then possibly GB or Brandish imo. If Asako gave her role to anyone I'd appreciate protection tonight.
Uuuuuu nicee :cop
 

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- If a Mortician targets someone that wasnt targetted by anyone, do they still get a result of some kind? I think they really do, but I need confirmation.
Only this still needs answering, you should really catch up, a lot of stuff is answered and big events happened.

@SirSamuel016 high chance you will get strong manned, leave all your thoughts.
 

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I'll leave this hot take here while I turn pages: Evil is the actual Traitor, he keeps mentioning the word over and over again.
 

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So Sam confessed Detective and gave us a lynch already you guys discussion other shit? Okkkk
Is it safe to assume the train was started by townies and mafia were fine with it?
you know the old joke about what assuming does?

ass + u + me
Assuming makes an ass out of you and me
American humor
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So Sam confessed Detective and gave us a lynch already you guys discussion other shit? Okkkk
Didnt see that. But am rereading
 

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I'll leave this hot take here while I turn pages: Evil is the actual Traitor, he keeps mentioning the word over and over again.
Used search feature to check and:
Evil: 10 times
James: 10 times
Lambu: 7 times

Some are false positives because of quoting.

Lambu you also were very vocal about requesting no protection and a kill is missing today in the poisoner theory.

Couldn't that be a traitor hint? When traitor get persecuted does he die?
 

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Still on the road, I went out of my way and stopped reading a while ago, sorry.

As Im on page 53 right now and I've seen some bs already so I will stress these points:


- If they had the Strongman they would have most likely killed Nat, theres no freaking way they wouldn't after she basically outed herself as Town. The possibility of a BG is not enough to let go of this crucial point that is eliminating a Detective.
I was ready to see her dead today precisely because they were not going to let her survive with that role behind her. Them not killing her means they were afraid of doc protection, which brings us to the second point.

- In the case they dont have Strongman (most likely) theres another possibility: accounting fear of her protection on her person they opted for blocking her and stealing her role with Marm's Mafia Pirate to keep Detective outside of the equation effectively without actively getting rid of it.


Question for hosts:

@Farfalla @Erinyes If a Mafia Pirate steals a Role, do they die showing up that role they stole or are they revealed as Pirate regardless? I dont remember if the rule was changed and can't find it in interactions right now.


In other words, since they demonstrated being unable to kill her, their best option was to steal her role. If Mafia Pirate was to target someone tonight then that someone was Nat.
Which means Marm targetting a TP and dying to it is extremely unlikely, I wouldnt say impossible but below 5% chance easily.


Another question for hosts:

- If a Mortician targets someone that wasnt targetted by anyone, do they still get a result of some kind? I think they really do, but I need confirmation.


And lots of quotes I would like to answer, I'll keep reading until I fall sleep, feel free to tag me while Im at it.
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Uuuuuu nicee :cop
It's in our unorganized rules thread:
-After the Mafia Pirate steals a role, when they die they still show up as Mafia Pirate.
And I'll only PM a role if it's stated somewhere in the game guidelines they're supposed to get a PM, I'm old school.
 

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James is more or less confirmed scum. Do we have any facts or circumstances that offer a better candidate?
 

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James is more or less confirmed scum. Do we have any facts or circumstances that offer a better candidate?
How exactly is he confirmed scum?

Ah actually I’m getting tired of this back and forth. I’m a Psych as well. Evil and James were my targets respectively. Both showed no secondary’s. I went for Evil for passive claim, went for James Incase Sakura died. It’s why I’ve maintained numerous times that I trust them for now (atleast to not be traitor/lover). Would’ve held off but Sakura still has hers to pass and there are more viable targets
 

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Ehhh? Wouldn't that townie have said that yesterday? Even TP would probably or would that look bit sus so they kept shut to not want be lynched?
Fair, at this point a Townie would have revealed having it. Still I cant see how they would not have killed Nat if they had it, it makes close to no sense.

I'm really ain't either, I swear, I don't know why I got what I got...:emocat

If Mentor is in-game who was his most likely target to be recruited besides you in night 1?

Would Gry really send Strongman to destroy another townie role instead of leaving it in his Mafia hands? Doesn't feel like something Gry would do, especially not if Mafia had Poisoner to be used on Baka in night 1, perfect target to become a new Strongman.
Anyone without an expiration date attached to them is a good candidate.

Im really interested in your takes James, mainly because you probably know who is the mafia but cant be too obvious about it.

Used search feature to check and:
Evil: 10 times
James: 10 times
Lambu: 7 times

Some are false positives because of quoting.

Lambu you also were very vocal about requesting no protection and a kill is missing today in the poisoner theory.

Couldn't that be a traitor hint? When traitor get persecuted does he die?
Traitor gets killed by prosecutor, just like any form of lovers. Only way I could be not Town is if a Mentor recruited me, which I've already explained why it didnt happen.
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How exactly is he confirmed scum?

Ah actually I’m getting tired of this back and forth. I’m a Psych as well. Evil and James were my targets respectively. Both showed no secondary’s. I went for Evil for passive claim, went for James Incase Sakura died. It’s why I’ve maintained numerous times that I trust them for now (atleast to not be traitor/lover). Would’ve held off but Sakura still has hers to pass and there are more viable targets
Insert "Press X for doubt" meme

Two Psychiatrists in a game without Lovers and seemingly no Temporary roles?
 
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