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Aight, here are the game infos (setup and actions):
IDAffiliationPrimary RoleSecondary RoleSanityPlayer
1TownDetectiveInsaneMadNat
2TownSpySaneBrandish
3TownDoctorSaneAsako
4TownBansheeGB
5TownNecromancerShad
6TownPsychiatristBaka Taichou
7TownProstituteEvil3ye
8TownBulletproofLambu
9TownMorticiandigital
10TownPsychiatristHolt
11TownProsecutorLady Pompom
12Third PartySanta ClausKat
13Town/MafiaPirateTraitorJames Rye
13Town/MafiaNobleTraitorCrescent
15MafiaMafia DetectiveSirSamuel
16MafiaStrongmanGrySun
17MafiaMafia EscortCopy Panda
18MafiaPirateMarmalade
GIFTS LIST

❄ Brewster's Gift "Drink it hot or give it up." (Hot Potato)
The Hot Potato explodes at the end of a day designated by the host before the start of the game, killing the player holding it. The holder of the Hot Potato doesn't know when it will explode, but he can pass it to another player at night, separately from any night ability he has. This passing can't be blocked. If the holder gets killed, the Potato explodes killing both the holder and the killer; if the holder is lynched, the Potato [dies with him].
❄ Kicks' Gift "You never know how things might turn out." (single-use Bar Keeper redirect)
One player ends up being the drunkest and uses his night action on a random player.
❄ CJ's Gift "A night cruise is a good way to catch night fish." (single-use Mafia Detective)
The Mafia Detective has the ability to investigate one player per Night and learn the player's Role. Only he is told the role of his target via PM. Whenever the Mafia Detective's investigation ability is performed, he cannot be chosen to go for a kill on the same night.
❄ Wisp's Gift "Tah-Dahh!" (this player's votes are worded as "Ho ho ho" during the next day)

❄ Jingle's Gift "Isn't this the best time of the year, kid?" Mandatory 5th Gift
(Santa Clause: this gift allows the game to go on. At the end of the game, Santa wins with the other winning party. Happy celebration ;)



Now first lemme thank @Erinyes for her massive participation in the game. At first, I got the November slot to host alone, and she asked me to join and I'm so happy she did! She's not only a very curious and interested person so we had a very nice and easy time discussing our ideas, but she also has the strength and endurance of a lion... I was often dead while we were hosting, but Erinchi followed everything and kept the game organized. She barely slept @.@ And that's a testimony I really needed to share with you all, 'cause her dedication and calm deserve lots of appreciation.

Also thanks @Hardy and @Vandred for double-checking the game mech (and in Poop's case, the comp as well) and giving us your honest thoughts, so we could try to present a game that would be fair and entertaining to people.

And finally, even tho some other points were addressed already, I'd like to thank all the players, from the heart. I know this game was too soon because of my availability due to local holidays, and I know you guys were tired - which for sure didn't improve during this time lol. So I really need to commend you all, because you guys were either putting in a lot of time and effort inside the game, analyzing and discussing nonstop, or in the deadpad - you guys also got no rest. As hosts, that's the biggest kind of feedback we could get: to have you guys really onboard. Some moves were questionable, but no one can't say any of those teams weren't trying... it's only natural that drained people will make some mistakes, so to me that's another sign of the praise you guys deserve.

Quick comments about the game that I've mentioned in the deadpad already: in general, the idea with the mech was to add a simple new function (and we tried to map beforehand the main game new considerations we'd need to have it in place) but that could allow a new set of strategical moves to be exploited - now I would reconsider the priority we used since we realize it would have been more adherent to people's preference. The game also had 2 Traitors 'cause Pirate is a VERY weak mafia that can suicide and lose the ability to kill later on, so we wanted to give them better odds (lemme say it one more time in here that the notion that means town had 2 extra people to lynch is wrong, first because town had 2 killing tools in the Prosecutor and the Banshee, and second because they don't need to eliminate unrecruited traitors to win). It had 2 Psys 'cause even tho we wanted mafia to have better chances to recruit, that didn't mean we wanted them to recruit BOTH, so town had more chances to find at least one on the other hand (even if one role would get erased eventually), and at the same time the role could cause some confusion that mafia could exploit. The Mortician came in place to trace stuff like Santa and fake claims/transfers regarding any role/action that got "buried" - imo it's more effective than the SM because it can target antitown and spot unknown stuff that could still be in-game; it was a late game resource that had good chances of being effective with the role transfer mech. The Necromancer was also in there for its recycling capabilities since we'd have roles being lost, and in this setup it would be less OP than it usually is, since his options would still be reduced. The Santa was there for extra fun, imo, since the role could still be used even if the OG player and their wincon was gone: two gifts - that we expected to be the last ones - were clear signs that there was a Santa in-game in case it would fly by too successfully - and even that was just to cause some ruckus since the last gift allowed the game to go on after Santa would win - which to me it's a needed measure so we won't have sudden major frustration with an unexpected game end (I do understand why the game usually has to end when Santa is in it, so people don't ignore the role, but in this case we saw an opportunity to play around that and fix the issue regarding that); Santa's other gifts were there to provide some extra spice but unfortunately, as you can see in the night actions, I made a mistake while processing GB's action with the Hot Potato. GB got blocked by Evil when he tried to pass it to James and I overlooked it that the passing can't be blocked. It would have been simple to fix it during the day by PMing the both of them if Bran didn't spy on GB and, coincidentally, Sam hadn't claimed the exact same action and outcome. After discussing with some people, we reached the conclusion that the attitude that would cause the least interference and damage to a bigger number of players would be to just remove the Hot Potato from the game and inform that to GB, which is what we did.

GG mafia, you fought the long battle and won! GG town, it's never easy to be on the more clueless side, trying to put pieces together. GG Santa cause Santa is always fun~
 

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James is more or less confirmed scum. Do we have any facts or circumstances that offer a better candidate?
You mean more confirmed than Kat?

Fair, at this point a Townie would have revealed having it. Still I cant see how they would not have killed Nat if they had it, it makes close to no sense.
How is it wierd to block and pirate the new player to lynch him eventually and why waste strongman when they know the strongman wouldn't be lynched today, it was between James and marm from mafia perspective, and you see they were right, they need it to kill SirSam.

How exactly is he confirmed scum?

Ah actually I’m getting tired of this back and forth. I’m a Psych as well. Evil and James were my targets respectively. Both showed no secondary’s. I went for Evil for passive claim, went for James Incase Sakura died. It’s why I’ve maintained numerous times that I trust them for now (atleast to not be traitor/lover). Would’ve held off but Sakura still has hers to pass and there are more viable targets
That the wierdest claim I've ever seen in a mafia game, I need 2 hours to process.

What your theory?
 

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Go back to all my hints or quotes. Including my post where I said I would’ve contested as an SM and I would use that post as reference
 

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Oh right, now that I think about it, Psychiatrist is a freaking amazing tool for a Threesome candidate.
 

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How exactly is he confirmed scum?

Ah actually I’m getting tired of this back and forth. I’m a Psych as well. Evil and James were my targets respectively. Both showed no secondary’s. I went for Evil for passive claim, went for James Incase Sakura died. It’s why I’ve maintained numerous times that I trust them for now (atleast to not be traitor/lover). Would’ve held off but Sakura still has hers to pass and there are more viable targets
Then he's either traitor or the temp doc? Or does the traitor still remain??

You could have revealed this easily lol you made yourself tired.
 

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How is it wierd to block and pirate the new player to lynch him eventually and why waste strongman when they know the strongman wouldn't be lynched today, it was between James and marm from mafia perspective, and you see they were right, they need it to kill SirSam.
James ok, but why was it between him and Marm? I would have lynched GB or Crescent before Marm any day
 

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Go back to all my hints or quotes. Including my post where I said I would’ve contested as an SM and I would use that post as reference
Your hint was that it was mentioned, you said that in both D1 and D2 right?

D2 makes sense Sakura claimed it, D1 who mentioned it? Can you quote?

And why do you sounds defensive? You should be the first to acknowledge that it is crazy, do you have a theory for why that is? You spent the most time thinking about it.
 

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i still would’ve held off the reveal in hopes of catching someone but the Evil/James traitor/lover theory has come up multiple times and I wanted to put it to bed. All my posts have been consistent with this if anyone wants to check back. And I intentionally used present tense when talking about Psych in my shapeshifter theory.
 

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James ok, but why was it between him and Marm? I would have lynched GB or Crescent before Marm any day
Yesterday she fucked up, we were lynching Asako and she defended her like mafia would in a game where you would lynch the people that miss voted the next day, she was super antagonistic, if I could have voted her then I would have but they were only 10 minutes left in the day.

She miss judged the situation, in a other circumstances that was a good play for mafia but she over did it.
 

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i still would’ve held off the reveal in hopes of catching someone but the Evil/James traitor/lover theory has come up multiple times and I wanted to put it to bed. All my posts have been consistent with this if anyone wants to check back. And I intentionally used present tense when talking about Psych in my shapeshifter theory.
Well I can understand the intent and I guess it would be tiring to watch knowing what you claim to know.
 

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Your hint was that it was mentioned, you said that in both D1 and D2 right?

D2 makes sense Sakura claimed it, D1 who mentioned it? Can you quote?

And why do you sounds defensive? You should be the first to acknowledge that it is crazy, do you have a theory for why that is? You spent the most time thinking about it.
It was mentioned in D1 by Sakura too I think? Can’t recall who but it definitely was mentioned. Oh no not defensive. Just clarifying my position.

I do think it’s crazy, which is why I’ve left several points of reference in my posts so far. I wouldve contested Sakura too but it was clear she wasn’t lying, so I decided to wait.
 

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Yesterday she fucked up, we were lynching Asako and she defended her like mafia would in a game where you would lynch the people that miss voted the next day, she was super antagonistic, if I could have voted her then I would have but they were only 10 minutes left in the day.

She miss judged the situation, in a other circumstances that was a good play for mafia but she over did it.
That you would have wanted to lynch her doesnt mean she was the best lynch at hand alongside James.

We are going on a tangent here, the point is that pirating + blocking is a way more punishing operation for mafos than simply killing her. She had claimed even so Det was also going out of the window.
 

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i still would’ve held off the reveal in hopes of catching someone but the Evil/James traitor/lover theory has come up multiple times and I wanted to put it to bed. All my posts have been consistent with this if anyone wants to check back. And I intentionally used present tense when talking about Psych in my shapeshifter theory.
But lover and traitor aren’t the same. One secondary stays with you while the other disappears if you’re recruited. If you targetted the next night someone with a previous secondary role, then it couldn’t be lover but it could still be the other one
 

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That you would have wanted to lynch her doesnt mean she was the best lynch at hand alongside James.

We are going on a tangent here, the point is that pirating + blocking is a way more punishing operation for mafos than simply killing her. She had claimed even so Det was also going out of the window.
Yes I will quote you her posts later and you will see for yourself, evil also saw it so killing me woudnt have help her.

Think about it, MadNat is a new player, losing her role would make her Sus, especially when other players will start reporting being blocked, it just a question of time before she is lynched happen all games, once town runs out of scum to lynch, new players head start flying, too bad for them it back fired and hit a TP.

Holt chances of being TC are low, unless they are 2 sets of lovers and the mind fuck is one can find the other and get town creed.

But since Sakura wasn't lover, the other set could have a different advantage.

Very farfetched stuff, be back need to read Holt good things he isn't a spammer.
 

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Look its going to be 3 am so Im going to sleep, be back tomorrow morning. For now I would stick to lynching GB or DD, specially the first one.
 

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@Shad theory on the game or 2 psychs? It’s why I thought the SS was viable tbh. I also asked for claims on others with temp roles in the event that was common but no one responded.
But lover and traitor aren’t the same. One secondary stays with you while the other disappears if you’re recruited. If you targetted the next night someone with a previous secondary role, then it couldn’t be lover but it could still be the other one
Yes, and I said I targeted Evil N1 so he isn’t either because I got that he has no secondary. For James, sure Sakura got secondary on N1. I know he isn’t lover since I got no secondary last night. He could be traitor, but low chances because he was quite heavy on Gry’s lynch. The prevailing theory with him is a lover too. Obviously none are excused from mentor recruitment but so could anyone else
 

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Yes I will quote you her posts later and you will see for yourself, evil also saw it so killing me woudnt have help her.

Think about it, MadNat is a new player, losing her role would make her Sus, especially when other players will start reporting being blocked, it just a question of time before she is lynched happen all games, once town runs out of scum to lynch, new players head start flying, too bad for them it back fired and hit a TP.

Holt chances of being TC are low, unless they are 2 sets of lovers and the mind fuck is one can find the other and get town creed.

But since Sakura wasn't lover, the other set could have a different advantage.

Very farfetched stuff, be back need to read Holt good things he isn't a spammer.
Nah man Nat claimed Day 2, eliminating a Det is always way better than stealing it for yourself + block that player too. It doesnt even try to enable the kill on Sakura by try blocking the protector or something. Just strongman it and be done with it, its a no brainer.

Anyway, as for Holt I would say his chances of TSC are not pretty low, neither are high, they just are. Threesome candidate Psych would try to cover the lovers while the other one could challenge a fabricated "negative" result, we might have just got the good result first and the fabricated one later.
 

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@Shad theory on the game or 2 psychs? It’s why I thought the SS was viable tbh. I also asked for claims on others with temp roles in the event that was common but no one responded.


Yes, and I said I targeted Evil N1 so he isn’t either because I got that he has no secondary. For James, sure Sakura got secondary on N1. I know he isn’t lover since I got no secondary last night. He could be traitor, but low chances because he was quite heavy on Gry’s lynch. The prevailing theory with him is a lover too. Obviously none are excused from mentor recruitment but so could anyone else
For the record I did look back and read your stuff. Baka mentioned specially psychiatrist when she asked you what role you were talking about and then Asako replied that she had listed all the roles and then you replied that (again) the role has been mentioned at the time of this post. Not sure what to think but I almost sense some smartassness in that reply. Like you’re irritated at having to repeat your hint. But I mean….. your hint was kind of generic.
 

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Ok sleeping now, more talking later
 
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