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Aight, here are the game infos (setup and actions):
IDAffiliationPrimary RoleSecondary RoleSanityPlayer
1TownDetectiveInsaneMadNat
2TownSpySaneBrandish
3TownDoctorSaneAsako
4TownBansheeGB
5TownNecromancerShad
6TownPsychiatristBaka Taichou
7TownProstituteEvil3ye
8TownBulletproofLambu
9TownMorticiandigital
10TownPsychiatristHolt
11TownProsecutorLady Pompom
12Third PartySanta ClausKat
13Town/MafiaPirateTraitorJames Rye
13Town/MafiaNobleTraitorCrescent
15MafiaMafia DetectiveSirSamuel
16MafiaStrongmanGrySun
17MafiaMafia EscortCopy Panda
18MafiaPirateMarmalade
GIFTS LIST

❄ Brewster's Gift "Drink it hot or give it up." (Hot Potato)
The Hot Potato explodes at the end of a day designated by the host before the start of the game, killing the player holding it. The holder of the Hot Potato doesn't know when it will explode, but he can pass it to another player at night, separately from any night ability he has. This passing can't be blocked. If the holder gets killed, the Potato explodes killing both the holder and the killer; if the holder is lynched, the Potato [dies with him].
❄ Kicks' Gift "You never know how things might turn out." (single-use Bar Keeper redirect)
One player ends up being the drunkest and uses his night action on a random player.
❄ CJ's Gift "A night cruise is a good way to catch night fish." (single-use Mafia Detective)
The Mafia Detective has the ability to investigate one player per Night and learn the player's Role. Only he is told the role of his target via PM. Whenever the Mafia Detective's investigation ability is performed, he cannot be chosen to go for a kill on the same night.
❄ Wisp's Gift "Tah-Dahh!" (this player's votes are worded as "Ho ho ho" during the next day)

❄ Jingle's Gift "Isn't this the best time of the year, kid?" Mandatory 5th Gift
(Santa Clause: this gift allows the game to go on. At the end of the game, Santa wins with the other winning party. Happy celebration ;)



Now first lemme thank @Erinyes for her massive participation in the game. At first, I got the November slot to host alone, and she asked me to join and I'm so happy she did! She's not only a very curious and interested person so we had a very nice and easy time discussing our ideas, but she also has the strength and endurance of a lion... I was often dead while we were hosting, but Erinchi followed everything and kept the game organized. She barely slept @.@ And that's a testimony I really needed to share with you all, 'cause her dedication and calm deserve lots of appreciation.

Also thanks @Hardy and @Vandred for double-checking the game mech (and in Poop's case, the comp as well) and giving us your honest thoughts, so we could try to present a game that would be fair and entertaining to people.

And finally, even tho some other points were addressed already, I'd like to thank all the players, from the heart. I know this game was too soon because of my availability due to local holidays, and I know you guys were tired - which for sure didn't improve during this time lol. So I really need to commend you all, because you guys were either putting in a lot of time and effort inside the game, analyzing and discussing nonstop, or in the deadpad - you guys also got no rest. As hosts, that's the biggest kind of feedback we could get: to have you guys really onboard. Some moves were questionable, but no one can't say any of those teams weren't trying... it's only natural that drained people will make some mistakes, so to me that's another sign of the praise you guys deserve.

Quick comments about the game that I've mentioned in the deadpad already: in general, the idea with the mech was to add a simple new function (and we tried to map beforehand the main game new considerations we'd need to have it in place) but that could allow a new set of strategical moves to be exploited - now I would reconsider the priority we used since we realize it would have been more adherent to people's preference. The game also had 2 Traitors 'cause Pirate is a VERY weak mafia that can suicide and lose the ability to kill later on, so we wanted to give them better odds (lemme say it one more time in here that the notion that means town had 2 extra people to lynch is wrong, first because town had 2 killing tools in the Prosecutor and the Banshee, and second because they don't need to eliminate unrecruited traitors to win). It had 2 Psys 'cause even tho we wanted mafia to have better chances to recruit, that didn't mean we wanted them to recruit BOTH, so town had more chances to find at least one on the other hand (even if one role would get erased eventually), and at the same time the role could cause some confusion that mafia could exploit. The Mortician came in place to trace stuff like Santa and fake claims/transfers regarding any role/action that got "buried" - imo it's more effective than the SM because it can target antitown and spot unknown stuff that could still be in-game; it was a late game resource that had good chances of being effective with the role transfer mech. The Necromancer was also in there for its recycling capabilities since we'd have roles being lost, and in this setup it would be less OP than it usually is, since his options would still be reduced. The Santa was there for extra fun, imo, since the role could still be used even if the OG player and their wincon was gone: two gifts - that we expected to be the last ones - were clear signs that there was a Santa in-game in case it would fly by too successfully - and even that was just to cause some ruckus since the last gift allowed the game to go on after Santa would win - which to me it's a needed measure so we won't have sudden major frustration with an unexpected game end (I do understand why the game usually has to end when Santa is in it, so people don't ignore the role, but in this case we saw an opportunity to play around that and fix the issue regarding that); Santa's other gifts were there to provide some extra spice but unfortunately, as you can see in the night actions, I made a mistake while processing GB's action with the Hot Potato. GB got blocked by Evil when he tried to pass it to James and I overlooked it that the passing can't be blocked. It would have been simple to fix it during the day by PMing the both of them if Bran didn't spy on GB and, coincidentally, Sam hadn't claimed the exact same action and outcome. After discussing with some people, we reached the conclusion that the attitude that would cause the least interference and damage to a bigger number of players would be to just remove the Hot Potato from the game and inform that to GB, which is what we did.

GG mafia, you fought the long battle and won! GG town, it's never easy to be on the more clueless side, trying to put pieces together. GG Santa cause Santa is always fun~
 

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"Good morning citizens, it appears that you do not want my services any longer. After all we have been through, must I say I am disappointed. Unfortunately the position I an currently in is not favorable since I am out of town and have no way of defending myself publicly in front of you. You knew that and you used the situation in your favor.

However, it is okay, my role is not that important to the town, it is more useful for me as an individual. I believe the town is good for another miss, but after today please consider your next day votes with care. Either way, I will not be available later so take this as my last will.

I am not a part of those scums who murdered our citizens. In fact, I could never be capable of killing as it is not in my skillset. I will be passing my role to someone and hopefully they will use it wisely to protect themselves as well as the town.

I did not have the chance to read back about what happened and I most definitely will not until the end of the day.

My dear buddy @Evil3ye , I am leaving the town in your hands.

PS: In case you haven't confirmed Panda's innocence by now, just know he definitely isn't green in my eyes.

PS2: If it helps, my target Night 1 James Rye and Night 2 Panda. Also one more thing, my role as you may know already may explain lack of kills on night 1.

Au revour,

Olivia 🫒."
 

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PS: In case you haven't confirmed Panda's innocence by now, just know he definitely isn't green in my eyes.

PS2: If it helps, my target Night 1 James Rye and Night 2 Panda. Also one more thing, my role as you may know already may explain lack of kills on night 1.

Allora, ragazza, so what is your role? Are you the sexy Town Prostitute? That seems sus to me, but not impossible? However, in that case what does that have to do with N1 lack of kills and you suspecting Panda? Make not a sense. You say you were after James N1, but N2 is two kills when you were after the Panda.

You are currently under sus because Sam implied he sees you guilty. Do you say he is a liar?
Personally I say you are the liar and did not thought this claim through so sudden, and trying get us the Panda again.
Stay tuned to find out. 🎤

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Changing my guess to Obvious fool Mafia Escort!
 

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"Good morning citizens, it appears that you do not want my services any longer. After all we have been through, must I say I am disappointed. Unfortunately the position I an currently in is not favorable since I am out of town and have no way of defending myself publicly in front of you. You knew that and you used the situation in your favor.

However, it is okay, my role is not that important to the town, it is more useful for me as an individual. I believe the town is good for another miss, but after today please consider your next day votes with care. Either way, I will not be available later so take this as my last will.

I am not a part of those scums who murdered our citizens. In fact, I could never be capable of killing as it is not in my skillset. I will be passing my role to someone and hopefully they will use it wisely to protect themselves as well as the town.

I did not have the chance to read back about what happened and I most definitely will not until the end of the day.

My dear buddy @Evil3ye , I am leaving the town in your hands.

PS: In case you haven't confirmed Panda's innocence by now, just know he definitely isn't green in my eyes.

PS2: If it helps, my target Night 1 James Rye and Night 2 Panda. Also one more thing, my role as you may know already may explain lack of kills on night 1.

Au revour,

Olivia 🫒."
you spelled au revoir wrong you fraud
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wait holt claimed 2nd psych???
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while it is a ✨ godly ✨ claim for sure, why would we need two?
 

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A good journalist never reveals their source!

votelock panda - guess mafia strongman
 

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sorry katsko but voting you out is necessary

votekill kat - role guess: SS
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it has to be sth tp no
 

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sorry katsko but voting you out is necessary

votekill kat - role guess: SS
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it has to be sth tp no

Perche? :hmm While she was saying Gry Innocent child strategy is the shite, she did not vote him out. And since she was just following the trains, basically, as some said?
 

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then what should i guess? ill just go w that
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i have slight hangover idk why we went out on monday
 

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🤷‍♂️

We know there is a Strongman in the game, but she was now a saying she is responsible for not a kill. But as a Mafia man, she would probably be the trying mislead the Town, so maybe she is the Strongman and try save role by mislead Escort. I am not certain.
 

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Perche? :hmm While she was saying Gry Innocent child strategy is the shite, she did not vote him out. And since she was just following the trains, basically, as some said?
I already explained why I didn't change my vote last minute (boom boom possibility). And what trains exactly, I was like the 2nd to vote on Asako so I jumped on a wagon I guess.

Anyway just KNOW that Panda is NOT town. IDK what Sam got as results, could there be some effects that change his results? I don't know and I don't have time to research it either so please have a look into that if you don't want to lose another town.

I am really sorry this had to happened the one day I am in a whole different country but it is what it is.

I BELIEVE IN YOU THOUGH 💜🫒
 

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why would we need two?
Seems odd. Checked a few games and could not find two. CSM had two traitors with a devil-secondary as a mechanic with the one psych.

Idk I'm finding it hard to resolve. There's a game a while back we had two nobles and one was traitor. Feels possible that strings are attached to a second psych. The way Holt played it out doesn't help me. This mechanic doesn't really bode well for two of the same role either. See what happens.
 

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it's one thing if he said bakatai passed it to him but idk what this is

i also dont understand why i had to fight for my life and pass a million billion quizzes by shadroid and evil to explain my role but with holt they like "oh sure"

theres a few h left so we can talk about it some but i dont understand what kind of comp justifies two psychs. no one even came forward with hot potato or sth
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🤷‍♂️

We know there is a Strongman in the game, but she was now a saying she is responsible for not a kill. But as a Mafia man, she would probably be the trying mislead the Town, so maybe she is the Strongman and try save role by mislead Escort. I am not certain.
so you want me to put in strongman?
 

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this town will not be satisfied unless all girls are dad it seems
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#Savekat
 

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Sorry for my absence throughout the day, I got pulled away due to some concerning family issues but I'm here now. If anyone has anything they want to ask me then tag away; I'll be backreading in the meantime.

Votekill Kat for now.
My guess is Shapeshifter.
 

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Panda ur so amazing its actually scary, how to manipulate shad 101
 

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it's one thing if he said bakatai passed it to him but idk what this is

i also dont understand why i had to fight for my life and pass a million billion quizzes by shadroid and evil to explain my role but with holt they like "oh sure"

theres a few h left so we can talk about it some but i dont understand what kind of comp justifies two psychs. no one even came forward with hot potato or sth
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so you want me to put in strongman?

I did not say I trust holt, check my Kat vote post. But today this discussion is futile as Sam got results.

And I don't know what to guess, just guess what and we will judge you if you tried save a Mafia role or not, cattivo.

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Sorry for my absence throughout the day, I got pulled away due to some concerning family issues but I'm here now. If anyone has anything they want to ask me then tag away; I'll be backreading in the meantime.

Votekill Kat for now.
My guess is Shapeshifter.

Can you tell us exact results both night, grazie.
 

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Kat do you have anything you want to share about your role or any usage of it?
With seemingly such clear results you Sam have been quite mild to Kat all day. This the only time you addressed. Bit sketchy. And then you said factor in your result thing.

For someone who's trying to look like a trustworthy bastion of town you're very quick to offer up word salads in the form of roleplay while saying the bare minimum about your role. Factor in my results and you're one of the scums we're looking for. Anything to say for yourself?

Can you now finally say the result? I do not want an other mislynch if you a the Spy or whatever and it is not as clear. We need to know.

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am i cattivo? but my guy is a bear

Yes is you, cattivo means a bad guy. Any thoughts on your blue bear amico? He wants to save the #Savekat now, which is sus. Maybe she is the third party maybe after the all.
 

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We will lynch James too at some point. Don't let his sully our hearts, that lover boy.

I don't distrust Sam, and yesterday Marm vote reaffirmed him for me even more. So let's kill Kat then? They will have to decide to block and kill both Detectives tomorrow, so perhaps we end up with an other result.

Also, @SirSamuel016 tell us the sanity pls, so if Necro is to use it we know.
Sadly I am not a detective, although a sane one would be handy to have with Nat's sanity. I am actually a Spy and here are my Night Actions:
N1: Spy on Baka, who targeted James
N2: Spy on Marmalade, who targeted Kat


It is due to this reason that I suspect Kat is third party.

@SirSamuel016 high chance you will get strong manned, leave all your thoughts.
Kat, Panda, James all look scummy to me. Holt's psych claim is one I'm not sure on, and I have low trust levels for GB and Brandish with the latter looking less sus imo.

With seemingly such clear results you Sam have been quite mild to Kat all day. This the only time you addressed. Bit sketchy. And then you said factor in your result thing.
Given my result of Marm targeting Kat, my conclusion was she died trying to steal a third party role. Rather than drop the mic right then and there on reporter-chan I wanted to give her a chance to open up more on her role, as she could be legit and there's a Mentor/Mentee Third Party out there instead. Given her reluctance to open up though, I think Holt's suggestion of Shapeshifter could be correct.
 
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