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Aight, here are the game infos (setup and actions):
IDAffiliationPrimary RoleSecondary RoleSanityPlayer
1TownDetectiveInsaneMadNat
2TownSpySaneBrandish
3TownDoctorSaneAsako
4TownBansheeGB
5TownNecromancerShad
6TownPsychiatristBaka Taichou
7TownProstituteEvil3ye
8TownBulletproofLambu
9TownMorticiandigital
10TownPsychiatristHolt
11TownProsecutorLady Pompom
12Third PartySanta ClausKat
13Town/MafiaPirateTraitorJames Rye
13Town/MafiaNobleTraitorCrescent
15MafiaMafia DetectiveSirSamuel
16MafiaStrongmanGrySun
17MafiaMafia EscortCopy Panda
18MafiaPirateMarmalade
GIFTS LIST

❄ Brewster's Gift "Drink it hot or give it up." (Hot Potato)
The Hot Potato explodes at the end of a day designated by the host before the start of the game, killing the player holding it. The holder of the Hot Potato doesn't know when it will explode, but he can pass it to another player at night, separately from any night ability he has. This passing can't be blocked. If the holder gets killed, the Potato explodes killing both the holder and the killer; if the holder is lynched, the Potato [dies with him].
❄ Kicks' Gift "You never know how things might turn out." (single-use Bar Keeper redirect)
One player ends up being the drunkest and uses his night action on a random player.
❄ CJ's Gift "A night cruise is a good way to catch night fish." (single-use Mafia Detective)
The Mafia Detective has the ability to investigate one player per Night and learn the player's Role. Only he is told the role of his target via PM. Whenever the Mafia Detective's investigation ability is performed, he cannot be chosen to go for a kill on the same night.
❄ Wisp's Gift "Tah-Dahh!" (this player's votes are worded as "Ho ho ho" during the next day)

❄ Jingle's Gift "Isn't this the best time of the year, kid?" Mandatory 5th Gift
(Santa Clause: this gift allows the game to go on. At the end of the game, Santa wins with the other winning party. Happy celebration ;)



Now first lemme thank @Erinyes for her massive participation in the game. At first, I got the November slot to host alone, and she asked me to join and I'm so happy she did! She's not only a very curious and interested person so we had a very nice and easy time discussing our ideas, but she also has the strength and endurance of a lion... I was often dead while we were hosting, but Erinchi followed everything and kept the game organized. She barely slept @.@ And that's a testimony I really needed to share with you all, 'cause her dedication and calm deserve lots of appreciation.

Also thanks @Hardy and @Vandred for double-checking the game mech (and in Poop's case, the comp as well) and giving us your honest thoughts, so we could try to present a game that would be fair and entertaining to people.

And finally, even tho some other points were addressed already, I'd like to thank all the players, from the heart. I know this game was too soon because of my availability due to local holidays, and I know you guys were tired - which for sure didn't improve during this time lol. So I really need to commend you all, because you guys were either putting in a lot of time and effort inside the game, analyzing and discussing nonstop, or in the deadpad - you guys also got no rest. As hosts, that's the biggest kind of feedback we could get: to have you guys really onboard. Some moves were questionable, but no one can't say any of those teams weren't trying... it's only natural that drained people will make some mistakes, so to me that's another sign of the praise you guys deserve.

Quick comments about the game that I've mentioned in the deadpad already: in general, the idea with the mech was to add a simple new function (and we tried to map beforehand the main game new considerations we'd need to have it in place) but that could allow a new set of strategical moves to be exploited - now I would reconsider the priority we used since we realize it would have been more adherent to people's preference. The game also had 2 Traitors 'cause Pirate is a VERY weak mafia that can suicide and lose the ability to kill later on, so we wanted to give them better odds (lemme say it one more time in here that the notion that means town had 2 extra people to lynch is wrong, first because town had 2 killing tools in the Prosecutor and the Banshee, and second because they don't need to eliminate unrecruited traitors to win). It had 2 Psys 'cause even tho we wanted mafia to have better chances to recruit, that didn't mean we wanted them to recruit BOTH, so town had more chances to find at least one on the other hand (even if one role would get erased eventually), and at the same time the role could cause some confusion that mafia could exploit. The Mortician came in place to trace stuff like Santa and fake claims/transfers regarding any role/action that got "buried" - imo it's more effective than the SM because it can target antitown and spot unknown stuff that could still be in-game; it was a late game resource that had good chances of being effective with the role transfer mech. The Necromancer was also in there for its recycling capabilities since we'd have roles being lost, and in this setup it would be less OP than it usually is, since his options would still be reduced. The Santa was there for extra fun, imo, since the role could still be used even if the OG player and their wincon was gone: two gifts - that we expected to be the last ones - were clear signs that there was a Santa in-game in case it would fly by too successfully - and even that was just to cause some ruckus since the last gift allowed the game to go on after Santa would win - which to me it's a needed measure so we won't have sudden major frustration with an unexpected game end (I do understand why the game usually has to end when Santa is in it, so people don't ignore the role, but in this case we saw an opportunity to play around that and fix the issue regarding that); Santa's other gifts were there to provide some extra spice but unfortunately, as you can see in the night actions, I made a mistake while processing GB's action with the Hot Potato. GB got blocked by Evil when he tried to pass it to James and I overlooked it that the passing can't be blocked. It would have been simple to fix it during the day by PMing the both of them if Bran didn't spy on GB and, coincidentally, Sam hadn't claimed the exact same action and outcome. After discussing with some people, we reached the conclusion that the attitude that would cause the least interference and damage to a bigger number of players would be to just remove the Hot Potato from the game and inform that to GB, which is what we did.

GG mafia, you fought the long battle and won! GG town, it's never easy to be on the more clueless side, trying to put pieces together. GG Santa cause Santa is always fun~
 

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wake up kat is the lead with 7 votes, wtf happened. time to catch up.
 

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Nice! This such big reveal and could have saved us lot of pages of dumb theories. Damn you sambo.

So Kat is Third Party and the GB is the mafia man.

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UNLESS! Marmalade was actually killed by Mentor-duo. Oh mamma mia! :headscratch
 

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I'm on the fence with Sam. Spy is hard to fake and have no real reason to doubt other than the convenience of Baka catching James. If you're a teammate of Marm it's the easy play. Then again you voted Gry and Marm.

That said I feel Kat is sus and there's a result, as town spy (v.likely sane) or Marm teammate, a scum result is a town win. Really don't know why Marm targets Kat tho.
 

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we have two psychs, next thing we know hes paranoid or sth to compensate, only explanation as to why she'd target kat of all people

sam what do you then think of the holt/second psych situation? who should he target next
 

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Nice! This such big reveal and could have saved us lot of pages of dumb theories. Damn you sambo.

So Kat is Third Party and the GB is the mafia man.

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UNLESS! Marmalade was actually killed by Mentor-duo. Oh mamma mia! :headscratch
Gomen gomen, IRL drama had to be attended to :emocat

I do believe Kat is TP, but ideally with my questioning she'd of opened up more. She said her role was more beneficial to her individually than town so I have to take that at face value at this point, but the Mentor possibility is definitely a conundrum- perhaps that would really make GB a bluebear?
 

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Why is everyone against Kat.. I missed sth while sleeping and so on.. 👀 Gonna catch up soon ✌😌
 

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Why is everyone against Kat.. I missed sth while sleeping and so on.. 👀 Gonna catch up soon ✌😌

Sam said that his result make her scum. Lot of us thought he is Detectivo numero due and switched. Then he clarified and said he spied on sussy Marmalade who targetted Kat. Since sussy Marmalde died, it would suggest his scum result actually mean that the reporter Kat is actually a Third Party. A Lover, a Threesome, or a Shapeguy, or a Mentor-duo. We don't know.

But that is also confusing now, because the sussy marmalade could have just been killed by the Mentor-duo.

Maybe we should let the Kat live afterall and lynch the GB mafia man? I am already locked out though.
 

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sam what do you then think of the holt/second psych situation? who should he target next
The Kat situation will be telling I think; if she's TP then Holt looks more legit to me as Psych. If not then he's potentially something more sinister. As Psych I'd probably target GB, Brandish or perhaps someone more trusted for a potential traitor/lover.
 

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snacky snack time for this bear
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so according to you any tp clears holt then? but why? what about kat flipping sk or ss or whatever makes his claim more plausible
 

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She said earlier her role is only benefitial for herself? That cannot be Prostitute. If she is Threesome, could she be third Psycho claim? Omg. But maybe something like Banshee. I am at a loss, but since I am locked out already, I will be just guessing TP role.

Please change my Guess to
Obvious Fool Shapeshifter
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Only beneficial for herself and lack of kill maybe she was going to claim Hider later, but is really SS. Yeah, buddy, that's my head cannon now.
 

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Guys I am literally a hider. Not sure what is up with the spy claim/result but Marmalade could have been easily killed by some third party killer while she tried to steal my role. As to why I hid behind the two, the role is so boring I needed some spice in life, hence I also started my reporter career.
 

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@Farfalla @Erinyes sorry if this was asked before, but does transferring your jutsu pop illusions?
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Guys I am literally a hider. Not sure what is up with the spy claim/result but Marmalade could have been easily killed by some third party killer while she tried to steal my role. As to why I hid behind the two, the role is so boring I needed some spice in life, hence I also started my reporter career.
james said the literal same thing last game and look what happened then
 

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@Farfalla @Erinyes sorry if this was asked before, but does transferring your jutsu pop illusions?
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james said the literal same thing last game and look what happened then
It counts as an action done to a target.
 

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Guys I am literally a hider. Not sure what is up with the spy claim/result but Marmalade could have been easily killed by some third party killer while she tried to steal my role. As to why I hid behind the two, the role is so boring I needed some spice in life, hence I also started my reporter career.
ah you were shapeshifter I guessed wrong.
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DID YOU SHAPESHIFT ME??
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Guys I am literally a hider. Not sure what is up with the spy claim/result but Marmalade could have been easily killed by some third party killer while she tried to steal my role. As to why I hid behind the two, the role is so boring I needed some spice in life, hence I also started my reporter career.
who did you hide behind night two?
 
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