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Aight, here are the game infos (setup and actions):
IDAffiliationPrimary RoleSecondary RoleSanityPlayer
1TownDetectiveInsaneMadNat
2TownSpySaneBrandish
3TownDoctorSaneAsako
4TownBansheeGB
5TownNecromancerShad
6TownPsychiatristBaka Taichou
7TownProstituteEvil3ye
8TownBulletproofLambu
9TownMorticiandigital
10TownPsychiatristHolt
11TownProsecutorLady Pompom
12Third PartySanta ClausKat
13Town/MafiaPirateTraitorJames Rye
13Town/MafiaNobleTraitorCrescent
15MafiaMafia DetectiveSirSamuel
16MafiaStrongmanGrySun
17MafiaMafia EscortCopy Panda
18MafiaPirateMarmalade
GIFTS LIST

❄ Brewster's Gift "Drink it hot or give it up." (Hot Potato)
The Hot Potato explodes at the end of a day designated by the host before the start of the game, killing the player holding it. The holder of the Hot Potato doesn't know when it will explode, but he can pass it to another player at night, separately from any night ability he has. This passing can't be blocked. If the holder gets killed, the Potato explodes killing both the holder and the killer; if the holder is lynched, the Potato [dies with him].
❄ Kicks' Gift "You never know how things might turn out." (single-use Bar Keeper redirect)
One player ends up being the drunkest and uses his night action on a random player.
❄ CJ's Gift "A night cruise is a good way to catch night fish." (single-use Mafia Detective)
The Mafia Detective has the ability to investigate one player per Night and learn the player's Role. Only he is told the role of his target via PM. Whenever the Mafia Detective's investigation ability is performed, he cannot be chosen to go for a kill on the same night.
❄ Wisp's Gift "Tah-Dahh!" (this player's votes are worded as "Ho ho ho" during the next day)

❄ Jingle's Gift "Isn't this the best time of the year, kid?" Mandatory 5th Gift
(Santa Clause: this gift allows the game to go on. At the end of the game, Santa wins with the other winning party. Happy celebration ;)



Now first lemme thank @Erinyes for her massive participation in the game. At first, I got the November slot to host alone, and she asked me to join and I'm so happy she did! She's not only a very curious and interested person so we had a very nice and easy time discussing our ideas, but she also has the strength and endurance of a lion... I was often dead while we were hosting, but Erinchi followed everything and kept the game organized. She barely slept @.@ And that's a testimony I really needed to share with you all, 'cause her dedication and calm deserve lots of appreciation.

Also thanks @Hardy and @Vandred for double-checking the game mech (and in Poop's case, the comp as well) and giving us your honest thoughts, so we could try to present a game that would be fair and entertaining to people.

And finally, even tho some other points were addressed already, I'd like to thank all the players, from the heart. I know this game was too soon because of my availability due to local holidays, and I know you guys were tired - which for sure didn't improve during this time lol. So I really need to commend you all, because you guys were either putting in a lot of time and effort inside the game, analyzing and discussing nonstop, or in the deadpad - you guys also got no rest. As hosts, that's the biggest kind of feedback we could get: to have you guys really onboard. Some moves were questionable, but no one can't say any of those teams weren't trying... it's only natural that drained people will make some mistakes, so to me that's another sign of the praise you guys deserve.

Quick comments about the game that I've mentioned in the deadpad already: in general, the idea with the mech was to add a simple new function (and we tried to map beforehand the main game new considerations we'd need to have it in place) but that could allow a new set of strategical moves to be exploited - now I would reconsider the priority we used since we realize it would have been more adherent to people's preference. The game also had 2 Traitors 'cause Pirate is a VERY weak mafia that can suicide and lose the ability to kill later on, so we wanted to give them better odds (lemme say it one more time in here that the notion that means town had 2 extra people to lynch is wrong, first because town had 2 killing tools in the Prosecutor and the Banshee, and second because they don't need to eliminate unrecruited traitors to win). It had 2 Psys 'cause even tho we wanted mafia to have better chances to recruit, that didn't mean we wanted them to recruit BOTH, so town had more chances to find at least one on the other hand (even if one role would get erased eventually), and at the same time the role could cause some confusion that mafia could exploit. The Mortician came in place to trace stuff like Santa and fake claims/transfers regarding any role/action that got "buried" - imo it's more effective than the SM because it can target antitown and spot unknown stuff that could still be in-game; it was a late game resource that had good chances of being effective with the role transfer mech. The Necromancer was also in there for its recycling capabilities since we'd have roles being lost, and in this setup it would be less OP than it usually is, since his options would still be reduced. The Santa was there for extra fun, imo, since the role could still be used even if the OG player and their wincon was gone: two gifts - that we expected to be the last ones - were clear signs that there was a Santa in-game in case it would fly by too successfully - and even that was just to cause some ruckus since the last gift allowed the game to go on after Santa would win - which to me it's a needed measure so we won't have sudden major frustration with an unexpected game end (I do understand why the game usually has to end when Santa is in it, so people don't ignore the role, but in this case we saw an opportunity to play around that and fix the issue regarding that); Santa's other gifts were there to provide some extra spice but unfortunately, as you can see in the night actions, I made a mistake while processing GB's action with the Hot Potato. GB got blocked by Evil when he tried to pass it to James and I overlooked it that the passing can't be blocked. It would have been simple to fix it during the day by PMing the both of them if Bran didn't spy on GB and, coincidentally, Sam hadn't claimed the exact same action and outcome. After discussing with some people, we reached the conclusion that the attitude that would cause the least interference and damage to a bigger number of players would be to just remove the Hot Potato from the game and inform that to GB, which is what we did.

GG mafia, you fought the long battle and won! GG town, it's never easy to be on the more clueless side, trying to put pieces together. GG Santa cause Santa is always fun~
 

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@Baka Taichou pass your role to the sussy GB bear. You can then laugh how he dies as Mafia Psychotherapist.
 

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Let agree to disagree we value roles and players differently, I wouldn't kill a new player even if he had detective as I trust their random targeting power, she went for evil for God sake.

I also believe mafia always chooses targets based on player experience over roles, we been having noob end games all year to prove this point, Farf will be killed even if she was passive, I would rather face a detective new player and hope he misses his targeting than passive Farf.

To cut it short, pirate deals with the detective role without killing the new player therefore leading to miss lynch, 2 good outcomes for mafia and you keep strongman to deal with a real problem like sirsam who doesn't target randomly.

Good night
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Psy not knowing about a secondary role is a bit wierd, you are also not a new player.



Requesting secondary claims.



Was this part of your claim reveal strategy? I didn't get it.



It is wierd you right, especially with 2 Psy xD

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Very inconclusive, I still don't know what to make of the double Psy.

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My theory is hosts trolling the players, they needed a lot of active roles for the mechanic and they had the idea to duplicate some maybe to get them to kill each other or be lynched, Gry put an unbelievable role in a game once to see if town would lynch them.

Maybe everybody is a traitor and mafia started very small, which would explain the missing kill day 1, high chance to hit a traitor.

Maybe they are no traitor since 2 Psy would catch them fast, but James like traps for even more chaos.

Basically if 2 Psy any role you put would be at a disadvantage unless they are themselves the Psy, which is what lambu is saying.

So either you are the TP and you are helping James but then second Psy will be back soon and could check you.

Or hosts are trolling.

You should just keep looking for secondaries, if you don't find any you are the one being trolled xD
It doesnt matter Shad, she's a confirmed Det with confirmed sanity, a mafia that decides not to kill that with the option to do it is the same as throwing.
They dont have control over the next lynch, what if we lynch their Escort today? They would be left with the dumbest look in their faces and for good reason, its just way safer and easier to eliminate the one that says "you good / you bad" everyday if they have the chance.

This is even more evident if we take Sam's result theory and say Marm died to targetting Kat. So they didnt even disable the Det and only blocked her? With a Strongman in their hands? No way man. :lmao


@Evil3ye Ive changed my mind about what I said the previous Dayphase, I would like you to reveal now and I follow just behind.
 

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It doesnt matter Shad, she's a confirmed Det with confirmed sanity, a mafia that decides not to kill that with the option to do it is the same as throwing.
They dont have control over the next lynch, what if we lynch their Escort today? They would be left with the dumbest look in their faces and for good reason, its just way safer and easier to eliminate the one that says "you good / you bad" everyday if they have the chance.

This is even more evident if we take Sam's result theory and say Marm died to targetting Kat. So they didnt even disable the Det and only blocked her? With a Strongman in their hands? No way man. :lmao


@Evil3ye Ive changed my mind about what I said the previous Dayphase, I would like you to reveal now and I follow just behind.
Why's the change of heart so sudden? We already have a good lynch on the table? I mean according to Sam it's rather TP though.
 

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We are going to regret not getting rid of GB, but I guess everyone decided on Kat with good reasons. If shes TP we all benefit from her fall, if only people were more open about themselves when on the chopping block... not another nonsensical Asako situation please.
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Why's the change of heart so sudden? We already have a good lynch on the table? I mean according to Sam it's rather TP though.
Do it, I have to confirm something
 

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Do it, I have to confirm something
My real role, or a fake role? :sweatdrop
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I rather do tomorrow tbh, today we will learn nothing new so late.
 

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what kind of response is that
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va bene if someone else would have answered like so, you'd have chewed m out in italian 😩
 

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Allora, they have a Mafia Pirate role that died and will be passed today...
 

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My real role, or a fake role? :sweatdrop
Real, or if you got something from dead players your original role.

Holt's second Psychiatrist has opened a myriad of possibilities and I no longer see you as green, I need reinforcement.
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The mechanic explicitly said primary roles are passed, not secondaries, now if we believe Holt we got two roles specially dedicated to hunting secondaries.
This can mean two things: a gimmick or we have more secondaries around that have yet to surface.
 

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Hmm, non capisco. I cannot look in your capo and don't agree with your strat right now if you don't share it. I will have to say you will have to just sus me for one day and I live with it.

I will claim tomorrow early, that I can do, when there is lot time to discuss.
 

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way too late to claim he got transferred a role like that

he has to claim his amazing passive now
 

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We are going to regret not getting rid of GB, but I guess everyone decided on Kat with good reasons. If shes TP we all benefit from her fall, if only people were more open about themselves when on the chopping block... not another nonsensical Asako situation please.
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Do it, I have to confirm something
Rude
 

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pizza pasta theres like half a day left, claim it now before you meet your buddies at night
 

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The mechanic explicitly said primary roles are passed, not secondaries, now if we believe Holt we got two roles specially dedicated to hunting secondaries.
This can mean two things: a gimmick or we have more secondaries around that have yet to surface.

Va bene, and what has to do with the me? Your whole premiss for this is you believe holt. Holt gave me the credit for not being Secondary, he checked me N1 accordingly.

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pizza pasta theres like half a day left, claim it now before you meet your buddies at night

Shut it illusion bear. You just don't want pop now.
 

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Va bene, and what has to do with the me? Your whole premiss for this is you believe holt. Holt gave me the credit for not being Secondary, he checked me N1 accordingly.
ay caipirinha maybe you BOTH lying how about that, say what your role is or face the music tomorrow you silly goose

btw brandi and hyung havent claimed yet either, i think the last ones aside from lambu who at least is confirmed by pomcha
 

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Scummy Marmalade will probably pass her shiete Pirate to a town good role. Do you really want more in open? What's the strat here.
 

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spy, det, necro, hell even second psych is in the open

what are you sitting on that's so much more important than those roles
 

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I mean

1- You did the "Raven move" with Crescent day 1, she reciprocated and then you two went your separate ways, no further incisiveness.
2 - Rejected to read Gry wrong on Day 1 when he was the main focus of the day, I would have expected at least one single thread of communication with him, nothing.
3 - Knew a highly uncooperative Asako was good for reasons unknown, yet didnt actually try to move the lynch in digital, Crescent or Marm's direction. Instead chose to go for James case, who actually went full force on GrySun the previous

Most players would get lynched for far less evidence.
 

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Ohhh! Btw, we can make a plan for tonight, if she passes it to town. (maybe Nat to disable the role). That means the receiver can confirm someone by stealing that role then.
 
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