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Aight, here are the game infos (setup and actions):
IDAffiliationPrimary RoleSecondary RoleSanityPlayer
1TownDetectiveInsaneMadNat
2TownSpySaneBrandish
3TownDoctorSaneAsako
4TownBansheeGB
5TownNecromancerShad
6TownPsychiatristBaka Taichou
7TownProstituteEvil3ye
8TownBulletproofLambu
9TownMorticiandigital
10TownPsychiatristHolt
11TownProsecutorLady Pompom
12Third PartySanta ClausKat
13Town/MafiaPirateTraitorJames Rye
13Town/MafiaNobleTraitorCrescent
15MafiaMafia DetectiveSirSamuel
16MafiaStrongmanGrySun
17MafiaMafia EscortCopy Panda
18MafiaPirateMarmalade
GIFTS LIST

❄ Brewster's Gift "Drink it hot or give it up." (Hot Potato)
The Hot Potato explodes at the end of a day designated by the host before the start of the game, killing the player holding it. The holder of the Hot Potato doesn't know when it will explode, but he can pass it to another player at night, separately from any night ability he has. This passing can't be blocked. If the holder gets killed, the Potato explodes killing both the holder and the killer; if the holder is lynched, the Potato [dies with him].
❄ Kicks' Gift "You never know how things might turn out." (single-use Bar Keeper redirect)
One player ends up being the drunkest and uses his night action on a random player.
❄ CJ's Gift "A night cruise is a good way to catch night fish." (single-use Mafia Detective)
The Mafia Detective has the ability to investigate one player per Night and learn the player's Role. Only he is told the role of his target via PM. Whenever the Mafia Detective's investigation ability is performed, he cannot be chosen to go for a kill on the same night.
❄ Wisp's Gift "Tah-Dahh!" (this player's votes are worded as "Ho ho ho" during the next day)

❄ Jingle's Gift "Isn't this the best time of the year, kid?" Mandatory 5th Gift
(Santa Clause: this gift allows the game to go on. At the end of the game, Santa wins with the other winning party. Happy celebration ;)



Now first lemme thank @Erinyes for her massive participation in the game. At first, I got the November slot to host alone, and she asked me to join and I'm so happy she did! She's not only a very curious and interested person so we had a very nice and easy time discussing our ideas, but she also has the strength and endurance of a lion... I was often dead while we were hosting, but Erinchi followed everything and kept the game organized. She barely slept @.@ And that's a testimony I really needed to share with you all, 'cause her dedication and calm deserve lots of appreciation.

Also thanks @Hardy and @Vandred for double-checking the game mech (and in Poop's case, the comp as well) and giving us your honest thoughts, so we could try to present a game that would be fair and entertaining to people.

And finally, even tho some other points were addressed already, I'd like to thank all the players, from the heart. I know this game was too soon because of my availability due to local holidays, and I know you guys were tired - which for sure didn't improve during this time lol. So I really need to commend you all, because you guys were either putting in a lot of time and effort inside the game, analyzing and discussing nonstop, or in the deadpad - you guys also got no rest. As hosts, that's the biggest kind of feedback we could get: to have you guys really onboard. Some moves were questionable, but no one can't say any of those teams weren't trying... it's only natural that drained people will make some mistakes, so to me that's another sign of the praise you guys deserve.

Quick comments about the game that I've mentioned in the deadpad already: in general, the idea with the mech was to add a simple new function (and we tried to map beforehand the main game new considerations we'd need to have it in place) but that could allow a new set of strategical moves to be exploited - now I would reconsider the priority we used since we realize it would have been more adherent to people's preference. The game also had 2 Traitors 'cause Pirate is a VERY weak mafia that can suicide and lose the ability to kill later on, so we wanted to give them better odds (lemme say it one more time in here that the notion that means town had 2 extra people to lynch is wrong, first because town had 2 killing tools in the Prosecutor and the Banshee, and second because they don't need to eliminate unrecruited traitors to win). It had 2 Psys 'cause even tho we wanted mafia to have better chances to recruit, that didn't mean we wanted them to recruit BOTH, so town had more chances to find at least one on the other hand (even if one role would get erased eventually), and at the same time the role could cause some confusion that mafia could exploit. The Mortician came in place to trace stuff like Santa and fake claims/transfers regarding any role/action that got "buried" - imo it's more effective than the SM because it can target antitown and spot unknown stuff that could still be in-game; it was a late game resource that had good chances of being effective with the role transfer mech. The Necromancer was also in there for its recycling capabilities since we'd have roles being lost, and in this setup it would be less OP than it usually is, since his options would still be reduced. The Santa was there for extra fun, imo, since the role could still be used even if the OG player and their wincon was gone: two gifts - that we expected to be the last ones - were clear signs that there was a Santa in-game in case it would fly by too successfully - and even that was just to cause some ruckus since the last gift allowed the game to go on after Santa would win - which to me it's a needed measure so we won't have sudden major frustration with an unexpected game end (I do understand why the game usually has to end when Santa is in it, so people don't ignore the role, but in this case we saw an opportunity to play around that and fix the issue regarding that); Santa's other gifts were there to provide some extra spice but unfortunately, as you can see in the night actions, I made a mistake while processing GB's action with the Hot Potato. GB got blocked by Evil when he tried to pass it to James and I overlooked it that the passing can't be blocked. It would have been simple to fix it during the day by PMing the both of them if Bran didn't spy on GB and, coincidentally, Sam hadn't claimed the exact same action and outcome. After discussing with some people, we reached the conclusion that the attitude that would cause the least interference and damage to a bigger number of players would be to just remove the Hot Potato from the game and inform that to GB, which is what we did.

GG mafia, you fought the long battle and won! GG town, it's never easy to be on the more clueless side, trying to put pieces together. GG Santa cause Santa is always fun~
 

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Well hopefully you get your votes from the others.

Two mafias, one with copied results, one with incomplete results trying to push for an innocent townie lynch against all rational. Haven't seen that before, buddy.


 

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Two mafias, one with copied results, one with incomplete results trying to push for an innocent townie lynch against all rational. Haven't seen that before, buddy.

Whose results you copying?
--- Double Post Merged, , Original Post Date: ---

Are you really town, Evil?
 

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Whose results you copying?
--- Double Post Merged, , Original Post Date: ---

Are you really town, Evil?
Ha-ha, buddy. Are you saying I am mafia and Jinx is innocent?

I am really. Are you? Not sure anymore.

--- Double Post Merged, ---

@host the vote count is incorrect. We are 11 players left not 12. Almost gave me a heart attack.
 

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Ha-ha, buddy. Are you saying I am mafia and Jinx is innocent?

I am really. Are you? Not sure anymore.
Just asked if you're town. You don't bring anything, cooperate, etc.
 

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@Shad @Evil3ye I got the psy from baka. @Baka Taichou Thanks for giving me an actual role I can make use of.

I investigated Holt because I didn't trusted his 2nd psy claim with so far only me coming forth as 2nd role holder. Even Jinx being lovers or threesome makes no sense with 2 psys in-game and since nobody popped SS is unlikely to be-ingame as well. Same ofc for Mentor.
As for the result?
Holt got a 2nd role, congratulation @Holt @Crescent Jinx . May you live happily ever after.
 

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@Shad @Evil3ye I got the psy from baka. @Baka Taichou Thanks for giving me an actual role I can make use of.

I investigated Holt because I didn't trusted his 2nd psy claim with so far only me coming forth as 2nd role holder. Even Jinx being lovers or threesome makes no sense with 2 psys in-game and since nobody popped SS is unlikely to be-ingame as well. Same ofc for Mentor.
As for the result?
Holt got a 2nd role, congratulation @Holt @Crescent Jinx . May you live happily ever after.
Kind of funny result. You say that Holt is a Lover, who incriminated Jinx to also be a Lover candidate and wants to lynch her now? I run this scenario in my head and strategically it's very bad play for Holt-Lover.

But would you join a Jinx train? She is a confessed TSC afterall, from your result that would also cripple Holt, wouldn't it buddy?
 

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Kind of funny result. You say that Holt is a Lover, who incriminated Jinx to also be a Lover candidate and wants to lynch her now? I run this scenario in my head and strategically it's very bad play for Holt-Lover.

But would you join a Jinx train? She is a confessed TSC afterall, from your result that would also cripple Holt, wouldn't it buddy?
Honestly? Since I got psy and if Holt isn't lying about being 2nd psy then it would mean that there are two lover pairs. I don't mind to lynch Jinx or Holt as long as a lover dies, I start to hate them.
 

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Buddy, I'm not lynching a Holt today. Go back a page look at my chart.
 

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Buddy, I'm not lynching a Holt today. Go back a page look at my chart.
... your plan speaks about lynching GB first, not Jinx, so why ask me about a Jinx train?
 

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... your plan speaks about lynching GB first, not Jinx, so why ask me about a Jinx train?

I corrected it in one of the merged posts. Because she has votes they will been voting stronger tomorrow which is bad bad bad.

But if your theory of two pairs instead of TSC is correct, someone will die along her.
 

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I corrected it in one of the merged posts. Because she has votes they will been voting stronger tomorrow which is bad bad bad.

But if your theory of two pairs instead of TSC is correct, someone will die along her.
So you and Holt switch from GB to Jinx? Why haven't you done it so then?
 

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This game sure is fruity , starting with baka tai catching james and then giving him her role will be away so going with the obvious default choice too long have you been circle jerking town votelock evil3ye ❤
 

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This game sure is fruity , starting with baka tai catching james and then giving him her role will be away so going with the obvious default choice too long have you been circle jerking town votelock evil3ye ❤
what....you do raise a good point, baka gave james her role???
 

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So you and Holt switch from GB to Jinx? Why haven't you done it so then?
Because I am a townie and I want other townies to cross check if I made a dumb-dumb, before I lock myself out like a fool, buddy.

what....you do raise a good point, baka gave james her role???
He is probably Mafia, I don't really believe james, but neither GB. Think they are one team.
 

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isn't he just lying :scry didn't SHE out him to begin with
 

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what....you do raise a good point, baka gave james her role???
She did, I was also surprised. I guess she thought that Marm gave me her pirate role or something but since you got it, she was dead wrong with that assumption. Wonder with what role Lambu has started he was basically rolekilled with Gry's Strongman passing. Good play by him to not tell and keep Mafia guessing, they basically wasted a kill on someone who a vanilla with a fancy title.
--- Double Post Merged, , Original Post Date: ---

@Shad You are pretty much the most confirmed townie to me after Lambu. Who should we lynch first today? If you say me, that's fine by me, I gonna send you my psy role then you can use it to figure out this mess of suddenly 2nd roles popping up everywhere.
 
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