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Aight, here are the game infos (setup and actions):
IDAffiliationPrimary RoleSecondary RoleSanityPlayer
1TownDetectiveInsaneMadNat
2TownSpySaneBrandish
3TownDoctorSaneAsako
4TownBansheeGB
5TownNecromancerShad
6TownPsychiatristBaka Taichou
7TownProstituteEvil3ye
8TownBulletproofLambu
9TownMorticiandigital
10TownPsychiatristHolt
11TownProsecutorLady Pompom
12Third PartySanta ClausKat
13Town/MafiaPirateTraitorJames Rye
13Town/MafiaNobleTraitorCrescent
15MafiaMafia DetectiveSirSamuel
16MafiaStrongmanGrySun
17MafiaMafia EscortCopy Panda
18MafiaPirateMarmalade
GIFTS LIST

❄ Brewster's Gift "Drink it hot or give it up." (Hot Potato)
The Hot Potato explodes at the end of a day designated by the host before the start of the game, killing the player holding it. The holder of the Hot Potato doesn't know when it will explode, but he can pass it to another player at night, separately from any night ability he has. This passing can't be blocked. If the holder gets killed, the Potato explodes killing both the holder and the killer; if the holder is lynched, the Potato [dies with him].
❄ Kicks' Gift "You never know how things might turn out." (single-use Bar Keeper redirect)
One player ends up being the drunkest and uses his night action on a random player.
❄ CJ's Gift "A night cruise is a good way to catch night fish." (single-use Mafia Detective)
The Mafia Detective has the ability to investigate one player per Night and learn the player's Role. Only he is told the role of his target via PM. Whenever the Mafia Detective's investigation ability is performed, he cannot be chosen to go for a kill on the same night.
❄ Wisp's Gift "Tah-Dahh!" (this player's votes are worded as "Ho ho ho" during the next day)

❄ Jingle's Gift "Isn't this the best time of the year, kid?" Mandatory 5th Gift
(Santa Clause: this gift allows the game to go on. At the end of the game, Santa wins with the other winning party. Happy celebration ;)



Now first lemme thank @Erinyes for her massive participation in the game. At first, I got the November slot to host alone, and she asked me to join and I'm so happy she did! She's not only a very curious and interested person so we had a very nice and easy time discussing our ideas, but she also has the strength and endurance of a lion... I was often dead while we were hosting, but Erinchi followed everything and kept the game organized. She barely slept @.@ And that's a testimony I really needed to share with you all, 'cause her dedication and calm deserve lots of appreciation.

Also thanks @Hardy and @Vandred for double-checking the game mech (and in Poop's case, the comp as well) and giving us your honest thoughts, so we could try to present a game that would be fair and entertaining to people.

And finally, even tho some other points were addressed already, I'd like to thank all the players, from the heart. I know this game was too soon because of my availability due to local holidays, and I know you guys were tired - which for sure didn't improve during this time lol. So I really need to commend you all, because you guys were either putting in a lot of time and effort inside the game, analyzing and discussing nonstop, or in the deadpad - you guys also got no rest. As hosts, that's the biggest kind of feedback we could get: to have you guys really onboard. Some moves were questionable, but no one can't say any of those teams weren't trying... it's only natural that drained people will make some mistakes, so to me that's another sign of the praise you guys deserve.

Quick comments about the game that I've mentioned in the deadpad already: in general, the idea with the mech was to add a simple new function (and we tried to map beforehand the main game new considerations we'd need to have it in place) but that could allow a new set of strategical moves to be exploited - now I would reconsider the priority we used since we realize it would have been more adherent to people's preference. The game also had 2 Traitors 'cause Pirate is a VERY weak mafia that can suicide and lose the ability to kill later on, so we wanted to give them better odds (lemme say it one more time in here that the notion that means town had 2 extra people to lynch is wrong, first because town had 2 killing tools in the Prosecutor and the Banshee, and second because they don't need to eliminate unrecruited traitors to win). It had 2 Psys 'cause even tho we wanted mafia to have better chances to recruit, that didn't mean we wanted them to recruit BOTH, so town had more chances to find at least one on the other hand (even if one role would get erased eventually), and at the same time the role could cause some confusion that mafia could exploit. The Mortician came in place to trace stuff like Santa and fake claims/transfers regarding any role/action that got "buried" - imo it's more effective than the SM because it can target antitown and spot unknown stuff that could still be in-game; it was a late game resource that had good chances of being effective with the role transfer mech. The Necromancer was also in there for its recycling capabilities since we'd have roles being lost, and in this setup it would be less OP than it usually is, since his options would still be reduced. The Santa was there for extra fun, imo, since the role could still be used even if the OG player and their wincon was gone: two gifts - that we expected to be the last ones - were clear signs that there was a Santa in-game in case it would fly by too successfully - and even that was just to cause some ruckus since the last gift allowed the game to go on after Santa would win - which to me it's a needed measure so we won't have sudden major frustration with an unexpected game end (I do understand why the game usually has to end when Santa is in it, so people don't ignore the role, but in this case we saw an opportunity to play around that and fix the issue regarding that); Santa's other gifts were there to provide some extra spice but unfortunately, as you can see in the night actions, I made a mistake while processing GB's action with the Hot Potato. GB got blocked by Evil when he tried to pass it to James and I overlooked it that the passing can't be blocked. It would have been simple to fix it during the day by PMing the both of them if Bran didn't spy on GB and, coincidentally, Sam hadn't claimed the exact same action and outcome. After discussing with some people, we reached the conclusion that the attitude that would cause the least interference and damage to a bigger number of players would be to just remove the Hot Potato from the game and inform that to GB, which is what we did.

GG mafia, you fought the long battle and won! GG town, it's never easy to be on the more clueless side, trying to put pieces together. GG Santa cause Santa is always fun~
 

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tbh my nerves are fine about the game, since i am new, i feel more relax if we lose or win, therefore i might just learn by my own! experience...
i just don't like being forced into a decision...that feels not good at all...

Yeah makes sense buddy. The thing is our amica Jinx confessed she is third party. And not only that, but she has two votes and she has two team mates. So that is 4 votes. This is why we must kill her today. It would be very good if you join this train therefore.
 

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Yeah makes sense buddy. The thing is our amica Jinx confessed she is third party. And not only that, but she has two votes and she has two team mates. So that is 4 votes. This is why we must kill her today. It would be very good if you join this train therefore.
who confessed that she is third party? and what kind of TP?
 

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I haven’t guessed Holt yet but I do have 1 name correct so far

Ha-ha, sorry for misleading flirt with you, cattiva :p

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who confessed that she is third party? and what kind of TP?

The Jinx! The said she is with the Lovers.
 

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The Jinx! The said she is with the Lovers.
so jinx herself said she is with lovers or who?
give me the person who claims that, or the start of the investigative answer...
since i got blocked tonight to investigate on her, someone seemed likely not to tell me more about her or yeah
 

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Alright then, if that is the way to go it is the way to go: Votekill Jinx. Guess Townie Noble. We don't need to guess secondaries.
 

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so jinx herself said she is with lovers or who?
give me the person who claims that, or the start of the investigative answer...
since i got blocked tonight to investigate on her, someone seemed likely not to tell me more about her or yeah

Yes, @Holt investigated her and she confessed. It's in the beginning of the thread you can read it.
 

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Alright then, if that is the way to go it is the way to go: Votekill Jinx. Guess Townie Noble. We don't need to guess secondaries.
you wanna chose for townie noble??? so lynching a townie... sry there is some lack of understanding, to kill a townie...
or will here kill lead to killing mafias?
 

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the issue is i don't like being forced into doing what another person just thinks, neither in playgame nor in real life...
I understand what you mean.
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@Farfalla @Erinyes Jinx -> Town Noble
 

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Jinx is a mafia noble lover that can help manipulate the vote or sth/
understand. I think it's because she's a mafia noble lover (with Holt being Psy TSC then?), while James is the mafia lover or sth? This theory is a good fit for the current situation, since you need very few axioms for it to be true.
Alright then, if that is the way to go it is the way to go: Votekill Jinx. Guess Townie Noble. We don't need to guess secondaries.
I understand what you mean.
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@Farfalla @Erinyes Jinx -> Town Noble
@Hosts they should at least have to guess what alliance my primary is with since I’m a dayaction and self confirmatory with noble
 

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Yes, @Holt investigated her and she confessed. It's in the beginning of the thread you can read it.
Holt voted against GB, but investigated that she is lover and now we lynch her?
sry but maybe newbie brain does not understand the matter to kill a townie noble? who maybe could be a lover, and therefore someone else behind it, that we found out..and the end we just openly killing townies :huh:...
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i mean in this case town can kill me to for being a useless townie
 

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Holt voted against GB, but investigated that she is lover and now we lynch her?
sry but maybe newbie brain does not understand the matter to kill a townie noble? who maybe could be a lover, and therefore someone else behind it, that we found out..and the end we just openly killing townies :huh:...
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i mean in this case town can kill me to for being a useless townie

She's not a townie, she's third party. it is confusing because there is also mafia noble but she is third party townie noble. have some trust. :)
 

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@Crescent Jinx what your town perspective on events? do you think your lynch is unfair? Considering you are noble and with today's discussion it very easy for you to find the last lover? Do you think it a good idea to give these spies and pirates another day of actions?
 

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She's not a townie, she's third party. it is confusing because there is also mafia noble but she is third party townie noble. have some trust. :)
sry i learned: Trust no one, in this game... i also don't trust Jinx ingame, in real life i do for sure.., but my eyebrowns raising extremly about the townie noble^^..

but then ppl should guess: mafia noble (not town noble) in this case or so...
 

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sry i learned: Trust no one, in this game... i also don't trust Jinx ingame, in real life i do for sure.., but my eyebrowns raising extremly about the townie noble^^..

but then ppl should guess: mafia noble (not town noble) in this case or so...

It's possible she is also Mafia Noble Threesome :hmm But you only need to say the role noble the host said, it's the main role without alliance.

If you don't trust me then why don't you trust someone who is confessing being a third party then, for what reason would she say that other than to negotiate with town to lynch her later
 

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whatever i have to do some work....and still hours to go... and if we doing a lynch train again... i start hate them
 
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