Tower of God Chapter 563 Spoilers & Discussion

[Big-Bird]

https://void-scans.com/tower-of-god-chapter-563

@Demonspeed veuillez épingler

 

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The thing about Androssi is that she's not from a major family. The reasons she excelled enough to be a princess in the first place is because she's just a mass of talent

10 family princess < normal princess assumption strikes again.

 

[King Dryst]

10 family princess < normal princess assumption strikes again.

Which is especially funny considering Androssi is basically a Walmart brand Yuri. And now the genuine article is here to drive that point.

 

[NobodyIsAlive]

Isn't it black march? I thought that that coward consumed it?

 

[Vali x lucifer]

It feels like she might have lost Green April seeing how much they are focusing on her using just BM.
It would make sense given her arrest and the status of a multiple 13 month princess seems too high for someone in probation.

 

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Which is especially funny considering Androssi is basically a Walmart brand Yuri. And now the genuine article is here to drive that point.

Wrong, Adori >> 10 family princess means all normal princesses >> 10 family princesses.

 

[King Dryst]

Wrong, Adori >> 10 family princess means all normal princesses >> 10 family princesses.

Hopefully SIU has Lilial win fairly convincingly to reinforce his previous narrative here. I doubt he will though. Too many mad Androssi stans will have a fit if he does.

 

[Aliblack]

It feels like she might have lost Green April seeing how much they are focusing on her using just BM.

Yeah, I noticed why she was holding Black March like she was going to war. Doesn't make sense. However, Green April is needed for the bet. Unless we assume they return it to her, which is still unlikely with her actions.

 

[King Dryst]

Yeah, I noticed why she was holding Black March like she was going to war. Doesn't make sense. However, Green April is needed for the bet. Unless we assume they return it to her, which is still unlikely with her actions.

Yuri has no real need to bother about honoring that wager with Maschenny at this point. The whole Hell Train fiasco is long since in the rear view mirror, and Yuri having been on there illicitly is no longer news to anyone who might care.

 

[Vali x lucifer]

Leaving Adori aside, if there is one thing certain is that d.Maschenny>>>Lilial. Not every GF princess is a Maschenny or even a Yuri.
Endorsi has always been fighting the strongest Regulars (Mad dog, Hoaquin), plus the plot seem to be on the Lilial humiliation arc, her whole character arc revolves around her pride possibly holding her back. Being trained by Yuri and Eduan also basically cement the fact that the one having trained better since NHS is in fact Endorsi.

 

[King Dryst]

Being trained by Yuri and Eduan also basically cement the fact that the one having trained better since NHS is in fact Endorsi.

Maybe by Data Hansung. Eduan didn't really bother with anyone other than Baam (aside from one throwaway comment to troll his wayward son) and didn't even want the others around to begin with.

I would be skeptical of attributing too much to training either way. Tower of God has long been a series where Hard Work Hardly Works and innate potential has always trumped effort. Baam trains all the time and still almost all of his growth comes from instant powerups.

 

[Vali x lucifer]

Maybe by Data Hansung. Eduan didn't really bother with anyone other than Baam (aside from one throwaway comment to troll his wayward son) and didn't even want the others around to begin with.

I would be skeptical of attributing too much to training either way. Tower of God has long been a series where Hard Work Hardly Works and innate potential has always trumped effort. Baam trains all the time and still almost all of his growth comes from instant powerups.

Fair, i am just laying there an argument to "rationalize" a potential loss for Lilial. I think it will be a cool fight nonetheless

 

[King Dryst]

Fair, i am just laying there an argument to "rationalize" a potential loss for Lilial. I think it will be a cool fight nonetheless

We'll see. Lilial should logically have anima abilities that give her an edge though. We've yet to see a Lo Po Bia that doesn't.

 

[Aliblack]

The whole Hell Train fiasco is long since in the rear view mirror, and Yuri having been on there illicitly is no longer news to anyone who might care.

No, a promise is one of the only things I've seen people in the tower respect. Even White respects this rule. They could break their promise at some point and it was to their benefit, at least in the short term but they didn't do it. What's more, that bet should have some purpose, or why was inserted in the plot? So in order to make sense, this topic should be brought up at some point in the future.

 

[Vali x lucifer]

We'll see. Lilial should logically have anima abilities that give her an edge though. We've yet to see a Lo Po Bia that doesn't.

Probably a tiger then, reminds me of Jinsung dragon tiger gate transcendental skill (Levi is a dragon ?). But maybe that's the catch, Lilial might be strong but she hasn't yet managed to take the tiger out ? That could also be the source of her insecurities, a LPB that can't control a shinheuh. Reminds me of Yuri and not being able to ignite her BM.

 

[King Dryst]

That could also be the source of her insecurities, a LPB that can't control a shinheuh. Reminds me of Yuri and not being able to ignite her BM.

We've already seen a strong implication from this chapter that this isn't the case though. Sea Snake was able to operate much more efficiently under Lilial's command than what it was doing on its own.

Besides, seems highly unlikely that a 'failure' Lo Po Bia who can't use anima control would be nominated by the family to become a Zahard Princess. Yuri's issues with Black March weren't a thing that could have been known until after she was coronated.

 

[Aliblack]

From what I've seen of Lilial until now, she's not been impressive. Her yellow shinsu attack was very basic. I am not sure if she has some other shinsu technique except for this one or else she would use it. Even so, her tiger animal kind of boosted her yellow shinsu techniques, not something completely different. I guess that the tiger can do other things or it would be a disappointment. I also expect a disappointment since she's a lo po bia. So what does she have? Her body comes to mind first. But we know that her father could reasonably not be Rey and this hugely diminishes that lineage part.

 

[Vali x lucifer]

We've already seen a strong implication from this chapter that this isn't the case though. Sea Snake was able to operate much more efficiently under Lilial's command than what it was doing on its own.

Besides, seems highly unlikely that a 'failure' Lo Po Bia who can't use anima control would be nominated by the family to become a Zahard Princess. Yuri's issues with Black March weren't a thing that could have been known until after she was coronated.

Well, the snake thinks for itself and follows her orders more like an underling than a shinheuh. Also everything we have seen from the snake points to Lilial holding him back. She even said she has no idea how she got him to follow her.
But I admit that if her problem was controlling a shinheuh she should have been more hyped/surprised at being able to finally control one, but again, him being sentient might be why.

 

[Demonspeed]

That's true, but SS isn't humanoid. It's simply a mass of animals (again, like a mass of ants). Not like Rak is a hybrid/other creature that vaguely resembles a man, but isn't. Or Anak who is clearly a hybrid or entirely different species, but looks at least half human. Those races are distinct from other 'standard' animals and people alike. Snakes are simply snakes. SS is a bunch of snakes, shinheuh, that when combined take on the shape of a human and its mental characteristics as well. This is the SAME as SC actually. Only SC is more developed - in appearance and speech patterns. SS is like a 'missing link'...

Shinheuh have been described as ANY animal in the Tower, and with extremely few exceptions (basically the ancient species in Khel and EVK - if those are even shinheuh to begin with), they aren't really sentient or able to speak. They're just dumb animals that take directions from their masters without question. That's not what we're seeing here with SS at all. He's certainly a one-off.

And what of the fact that each snake that makes up SC could have its own motivations? That means that each snake is an individual. As an individual, they certainly aren't humanoid or anything. We only get speaking from the special leader snake. The rest are just raw creature.



It has the ability to speak, remember, desire, etc (sentience). It might be stupid but it has an intellect which is greater than a beast (currently lesser than a full-scale human intellect), and that's how it was described even: having attained "forbidden emotions" - emotions that are more human and less animal in scope, clearly.

The point is there is something Pinocchio or Planet of the Apes going on with SS. An animal/non-sentient object that became more human-like and devoloped human emotions.

Maybe he isn't humanoid but you can't guarantee that. He has shown at least two humanoid forms so the only confirmation is that he can transform.

Dobo is 100% shinheuh, yet his intelligence is comparable to a human.

I thought about him while typing my post but a Shinheuh who can talk like this seems to be the exception. Plus it's clear that he isn't Human.

I mean it is possible because we don't know her past and SIU like her , so she could very well beat Lilial .

But i think data Maschenny showed that there are difference between standard jahad princess and 10 GF jahad princess . She may be even special among GF jahad princess , but i think other GF jahad princess are beast too .

But given they genetics i would still go for Lilial , i really don't get the impression that Endorsi has seen much competition and seing how absurd Lilial confidence is i see even less chance for Endorsi . If we forget that Endorsi physical stat should be lower than Lilial .

Lilial was chosen among other top talent of her family , so she isn't just just a GF member who happen to get jahad blood .

No she is with her sister the most talented among the most talented family and she got jahad blood .

All GF member have special ability , particulary the most talented have special ability which make them monster even prior to getting jahad blood .

Arie family like White or that guy who fought Ran , got god like sword technique which don't make sense and come from everywhere and anywhere .

Yeon got flame that burned ranker ?

Kaiser got anima which can injure ranker skin .

Data Maschenny got a better version of the lighting pill .

Yuri got god like physical stat .

Endorsi is good , but i don't think she is some special talent unrivaled among her generation like Yuri

Did you guys stop think what does it imply ? She like Kaiser likely has a special ability , a special anima .

Endorsi has some special skill but iy just seem like a pale imitation of a combination between yuri cursed technique and White sword ability .

Endorsi could win , the story presented as a genius , but never really has a genius among other princess . If you read the story well , she never really suffer defeat but she has no real impressive accomplishment . Even for Yama she had to slam onto the ground to injure , i don't think Kaisen would needed , same for Yeon flame .

I could go further by saying that MAschenny thought Ran was very talented and he was just behind a jahad princess in term of talent .

That same Ran fought a half blood jahad princess and nearly won .

Anak fought Endorsi in the first arc , and Endorsi even if she didn't go all out , still wasn't able to beat her easily .

Yihwa in her full form was said to put to shame even Ran , the current jewel of the Koon family .

To be honest Yihwa natural talent should be a lot higher than Endorsi one .

You are really overselling Lilial her while underselling the latter here. Considering everything we know about them, I don't know how you can say that Lilial has an advantage besides her Lo Po Bia blood boosting her physical abilities more.

As you said all Princesses are geniuses but no one among the Regular ones have been called geniuses among Princesses. It only applies to Adori and Enne who are High Rankers.

We don't know much about Lilial's abilities but it applies to Androssi as well. She has been coasting with her physical abilities alone + Bong Bong before learning Shinsoo techniques with Yuri + at the HF. You are saying that her Shinsoo Attribute is a Arie Swordsmanship copy but we don't even know how it works. Plus it's obviously something very special considering the fact that White himself had never seen anything like it. What we can expect from Lilial is some broken Anima or maybe a transformation.

I don't know why that Yihwa-Ran comparison is always brought up. When SIU said this, he said he himself didn't know how Ran would become in the future. It was just a way to hype both. It doesn't mean that she is much more talented than Ran or something.

 

[Turtle hunter]

Haha, Yuri didn't waste any time as expected of her.

As for whether or not Androssi is stronger and by how much. I think probably a lot. The thing about Androssi is that she's not from a major family. The reasons she excelled enough to be a princess in the first place is because she's just a mass of talent. After all this time to process what she learned during the hidden floor on the hell train, I think she's going to stomp Lilial pretty hard.

lol .

Leaving Adori aside, if there is one thing certain is that d.Maschenny>>>Lilial. Not every GF princess is a Maschenny or even a Yuri.
Endorsi has always been fighting the strongest Regulars (Mad dog, Hoaquin), plus the plot seem to be on the Lilial humiliation arc, her whole character arc revolves around her pride possibly holding her back. Being trained by Yuri and Eduan also basically cement the fact that the one having trained better since NHS is in fact Endorsi.

And she never beat any of them with her own skill or power .

Data Maschenny would have stomped both Hoaquin , Kaisen and mad dog .

Leaving Adori aside, if there is one thing certain is that d.Maschenny>>>Lilial. Not every GF princess is a Maschenny or even a Yuri.
Endorsi has always been fighting the strongest Regulars (Mad dog, Hoaquin), plus the plot seem to be on the Lilial humiliation arc, her whole character arc revolves around her pride possibly holding her back. Being trained by Yuri and Eduan also basically cement the fact that the one having trained better since NHS is in fact Endorsi.

Yeah Yuri was said to be the rising star of her generation , even among other princess . But a GF is still not somethinn

Maybe he isn't humanoid but you can't guarantee that. He has shown at least two humanoid forms so the only confirmation he has he can transform.




I thought about him while typing my post but a Shinheuh who can talk like this seems to be the exception. Plus it's clear that he isn't Human.





You are really overselling Lilial her while underselling the latter here. Considering everything we know about them, I don't know how you can say that Lilial has an advantage besides her Lo Po Bia blood boosting her physical abilities more.

As you said all Princesses are geniuses but no one among the Regular ones have been called geniuses among Princesses. It only applies to Adori and Enne who are High Rankers.

We don't know much about Lilial's abilities but it applies to Androssi as well. She has been coasting with her physical abilities alone + Bong Bong before learning Shinsoo techniques with Yuri + at the HF. You are saying that her Shinsoo Attribute is a Arie Swordsmanship copy but we don't even know how it works. Plus it's obviously something very special considering the fact that White himself had never seen anything like it. What we can expect from Lilial is some broken Anima or maybe a transformation.

I don't know why that Yihwa-Ran comparison is always brought up. When SIU said this, he said he himself didn't know how Ran would become in the future. It was just a way to hype both. It doesn't mean that she is much more talented than Ran or something.

Please do tell me how i am overselling Lilial or underselling Endorsi . It is a fact that Andorsi resume is far from being impressive and Lilial is one of the 2 most gifted person among the most gifted family .

Kaiser was chosen for her anima that could pierce ranker skin , Yihwa was supossed to become one because of how powerful her flame were and that could even put to shame Ran someone who dominated Anak .

Other GF have special ability they make them stood out , what ability does Endorsi have that make them stand out ? You think Lilial don't have her own powerful anima comparable or close to Kaiser one ?

Enne and Adori are not just genius among princess , they strength are so abnormal that the term princess doesn't matter anymore , in term of ability you could consider them half irregular if i exagerate a little or just irregularities in the tower . A fairer comparison would be data Yuri and Maschenny who are clearly far more talented than Endorsi and even other GF princess .

What we know is that GF princess are superior in general than standard princess because of the high competition in they family , they special technique , and a GF blood . Those are traits are basically extremely hard to compete with .

I mean you can say we don't know a lot , but she didn't show a lot and if we are being honest , the 10 GF have the most broken attribute , so she is stil likely to be inferior both physically and with her attribute .

I mean fair enough , maybe you are right , but my point still stand that she has a special ability , Yeon fire and that if she was a princess she simply would have outclassed Endorsi .

 

[Vitala]

Haha, Yuri didn't waste any time as expected of her.

As for whether or not Androssi is stronger and by how much. I think probably a lot. The thing about Androssi is that she's not from a major family. The reasons she excelled enough to be a princess in the first place is because she's just a mass of talent. After all this time to process what she learned during the hidden floor on the hell train, I think she's going to stomp Lilial pretty hard.

This doesn’t make sense. Not Being from a GF princess doesn’t make you automatically talented , garam is not from a GF but she never going to win again mashenny. Nor she did she had more talents. GF princess are harder to choose because everyone in GF wants their daughter to be chosen as princess.
I feel like Kaiser would have been way stronger than androssi has she become a princess