Tower of God Chapter 563 Spoilers & Discussion

[Big-Bird]

https://void-scans.com/tower-of-god-chapter-563

@Demonspeed veuillez épingler

 

[Turtle hunter]

This doesn’t make sense. Not Being from a GF princess doesn’t make you automatically talented , garam is not from a GF but she never going to win again mashenny. Nor she did she had more talents. GF princess are harder to choose because everyone in GF wants their daughter to be chosen as princess.
I feel like Kaiser would have been way stronger than androssi has she become a princess

This is what i am saying , if we remove 1000 experience and her needle skill and just resume her to her base talent , which is a anima that can even pierce a ranker skin and her body strength and had jahad blood , Endorsi would have stood no chance .

What can she do against the wolf ? Nothing .

If Lilial has a broken skill comparable to Kaisen , endorsi is done .

 

[Vali x lucifer]

Well, Garam seemed stronger than Yuri at least. I know Yuri is much younger but still, Garam isn't weak. Lilial and Endorsi are probably a lot closer in strength than both are compared to past Maschenny. If it was going to be a stomp Endorsi sneak named attack hitting right on would have made much more damage, and if Lilial was much stronger she wouldn't have found herself in a situation where Endorsi had her by the throat.

 

[Vitala]

Leaving Adori aside, if there is one thing certain is that d.Maschenny>>>Lilial. Not every GF princess is a Maschenny or even a Yuri.
Endorsi has always been fighting the strongest Regulars (Mad dog, Hoaquin), plus the plot seem to be on the Lilial humiliation arc, her whole character arc revolves around her pride possibly holding her back. Being trained by Yuri and Eduan also basically cement the fact that the one having trained better since NHS is in fact Endorsi.

She was trained by data eduan not eduan, you know that data is a copy of when they were in the train right? Yuri is just a top 500 HR, I don’t think she better than the trainer of a GFw

 

[Vali x lucifer]

She was trained by data eduan not eduan, you know that data is a copy of when they were in the train right? Yuri is just a top 500 HR, I don’t think she better than the trainer of a GFw

The point is that in the tower, people don't really have a chance to grow that much in 2/3 years unless specific things happen like going to the hidden floor. Whatever training Lilial got in these few years probably changes nothing compared to when she was at NHS. Yuri for example was trained by A Rank Regular Cheonhee, if you think Lilial normally gets to train with someone equal to that let alone a top 500 HR as talented as Yuri i am afraid i don't agree.

 

[Cinera]

This fight is getting interrupted for sure but it should be entertaining. There is nothing complicated. Both are simply confident that they'll win.

I don't understand why some are saying that Lilial was superior during their little skirmish at the NHS either. They just exchanged a few blows and that was it.



I haven't reread but wasn't he talking about Laura? In Chapter 557 Zam-Zam said everyone was here. So, Yuri wasn't expected to come tonight.

If Laura is the distinguished gues, then who is the guest that was already there?

 

[Vali x lucifer]

If Laura is the distinguished gues, then who is the guest that was already there?

Could he have talked about the 2 LPB Regulars already dead ? They didn't come from the portal

 

[Turtle hunter]

Well, Garam seemed stronger than Yuri at least. I know Yuri is much younger but still, Garam isn't weak. Lilial and Endorsi are probably a lot closer in strength than both are compared to past Maschenny. If it was going to be a stomp Endorsi sneak named attack hitting right on would have made much more damage, and if Lilial was much stronger she wouldn't have found herself in a situation where Endorsi had her by the throat.

I mean sure Garam is one example of a standard princess who likely could rival a GF princess .

But she is very likely the exception , she had a 13 months which show that her talent is amazing even compared to other GF princess .

The point isn't that that GF princess can't be beaten but that in average they are far more likely to be significantly weaker than a GF princess , but there are of course exception like Garam or Yuram .

The thing is that Endorsi never showed that she was that special even among other top dog , like White , mad dog or even Kaisen whom she lost to .

She mainly showed that she relied on her physical attribute which isn't even the best thing in a jahad princess . I don't doubt that her shinsoo ability are also impressive but they don't seem to match the shinsoo attribute of other talented jahad princess .

Both Yuri , Garam and Mashcenny are 13 months princess .

The way i put it standard princess > GF princess > 13 months jahad princess > Agipherione > Enne and Adori .

Now maybe Androssi just didn't have the opportunity to shine and her shinsoo may be more impressive than it seems , but yeah we will see .

 

[Rak]

It's not like SIU listed all the races existing so a humanoid snake race isn't out of the question.

We saw one back at Arlen's hand.

I think there is a possibility for Drabi to be Arkraptor's daughter (the one we saw at the cage if they are on and the same). This sub-plot needs to be done with, and now would be a good time. Also we don't care about the others of the band anymore (Apple and Michael), hopefully we won't ever see them again.

 

[O_n_Sly]

Not sure what Advanced Ranker JamJam has in store for Yuri a HR! Even though it’s immortal I hope there’s more opponents than just Serpent Master

 

[Demonspeed]

Please do tell me how i am overselling Lilial or underselling Endorsi . It is a fact that Andorsi resume is far from being impressive and Lilial is one of the 2 most gifted person among the most gifted family .

Kaiser was chosen for her anima that could pierce ranker skin , Yihwa was supossed to become one because of how powerful her flame were and that could even put to shame Ran someone who dominated Anak .

Other GF have special ability they make them stood out , what ability does Endorsi have that make them stand out ? You think Lilial don't have her own powerful anima comparable or close to Kaiser one ?

Enne and Adori are not just genius among princess , they strength are so abnormal that the term princess doesn't matter anymore , in term of ability you could consider them half irregular if i exagerate a little or just irregularities in the tower . A fairer comparison would be data Yuri and Maschenny who are clearly far more talented than Endorsi and even other GF princess .

What we know is that GF princess are superior in general than standard princess because of the high competition in they family , they special technique , and a GF blood . Those are traits are basically extremely hard to compete with .

I mean you can say we don't know a lot , but she didn't show a lot and if we are being honest , the 10 GF have the most broken attribute , so she is stil likely to be inferior both physically and with her attribute .

I mean fair enough , maybe you are right , but my point still stand that she has a special ability , Yeon fire and that if she was a princess she simply would have outclassed Endorsi .

It's pretty simple. What did Lilial show so far?

• Shinsoo Boost.
• Different variants of Shinsoo Blast.

You are assuming that Lilial has certain things while gauging Androssi's abilities as if we knew them perfectly and inferior by default.

I don't get why you are bringing up Ran, Elaine or Yihwa. It just makes things more convoluted when we are only comparing the two Regular Princesses.

The facts are that we know far more about their innate abilities than Androssi's. Who developed her Shinsoo Attribute during the HF arc. Without this she was already stronger than every other Regular you mentioned(Elaine beat her by tricking her using the rules of the game, not because she was stronger). We should normally see more of their abilities in this incoming battle(Androssi and Lilial).

I said before that I think Lilial might not have a Shinheuh, but whatever she has, it's obviously something powerful. And it applies to Androssi as well.

Everyone has special abilities. Some are stronger than others and shared among families but you don't need to be from a special family to have a strong special ability. Animas/Fire/Lightning Users aren't equals.

I don't buy that "Adori and Enne" are half-Irregular or their peers but just like with what you said about Elaine and co it just makes things more convoluted.

They are the only ones who have been stated to be geniuses among Princesses themselves, the others are geniuses in their families. We have never ever seen Data Yuri.

We saw one back at Arlen's hand.

I think there is a possibility for Drabi to be Arkraptor's daughter (the one we saw at the cage if they are on and the same). This sub-plot needs to be done with, and now would be a good time. Also we don't care about the others of the band anymore (Apple and Michael), hopefully we won't ever see them again.

Akraptor's daughter works with Rachel. She was wearing a cloak, with Michael and Apple IIRC.

 

[O_n_Sly]

Serpent Master is one of Traum’s 7 beast

 

[Jammin]

This doesn’t make sense. Not Being from a GF princess doesn’t make you automatically talented , garam is not from a GF but she never going to win again mashenny. Nor she did she had more talents. GF princess are harder to choose because everyone in GF wants their daughter to be chosen as princess.
I feel like Kaiser would have been way stronger than androssi has she become a princess

Sure, it does. A person like Lilial has had a lot of advantages in life that helped her get to where she is. Androssi did not. Androssi had the more difficult path to becoming a princess. And Androssi was essentially hand picked up by the snake charmer because she had the potential she does.

Being a part of a great family is by itself an advantage. Androssi became a princess with without all of that.

 

[Turtle hunter]

It's pretty simple. What did Lilial show so far?

• Shinsoo Boost.
• Different variants of Shinsoo Blast.

You are assuming that Lilial has certain things while gauging Androssi's abilities as if we knew them perfectly and inferior by default.

I don't get why you are bringing up Ran, Elaine or Yihwa. It just makes things more convoluted when we are only comparing the two Regular Princesses.

The facts are that we know far more about their innate abilities than Androssi's. Who developed her Shinsoo Attribute during the HF arc. Without this she was already stronger than every other Regular you mentioned(Elaine beat her by tricking her using the rules of the game, not because she was stronger). We should normally see more of their abilities in this incoming battle(Androssi and Lilial).

I said before that I think Lilial might not have a Shinheuh, but whatever she has, it's obviously something powerful. And it applies to Androssi as well.

Everyone has special abilities. Some are stronger than others and shared among families but you don't need to be from a special family to have a strong special ability. Animas/Fire/Lightning Users aren't equals.

I don't buy that "Adori and Enne" are half-Irregular or their peers but just like with what you said about Elaine and co it just makes things more convoluted.

They are the only ones who have been stated to be geniuses among Princesses themselves, the others are geniuses in their families. We have never ever seen Data Yuri.




Akraptor's daughter works with Rachel. She was wearing a cloak, with Michael and Apple IIRC.

It is simple , there are valid reason why i see Lilial more favoritly .

Endorsi has been in this manwha since the start and she didn't really show that she was special among other beast like White , Vicente or Kaiser or even mad dog .

While Lilial has been not that much , so i am far more incline to think that she has more incredible card , while we likely know much of what Androssi got .

There is also the fact that you like to ignore that GF princess are in average more gifted that you standard princess .

The reason why i bring Yihwa , Ran and Elaine is because they have special ability that make them powerful even without jahad blood , Kaisen wolf could injure a ranker and Yihwa flame are ridicously powerful , same for the lighting pill .

All of them are good example of talent which could have become princess because they are that talented and i believe all of them would have been superior to her if they were jahad princess . Imagine Ran body with the lighting pill .

It doesn't really matter she still lost .

Sure she is stronger than Yihwa and Ran , but so ? She is a jahad princess , this isn't a accomplisment , it is the bare minimum for a jahad princess .

Nah Lilial will have a shinsheuh , i don't get where this idea come from but it is weird . We know that around 20 family who all have control over a shinsheuh or a beast and that Kaiser family was among the weakest one .

This isn't even true , the best ability are among the GF , a anima that can hurt a ranker while bieng a regular is something close to unmatched , Yeon flame are the same , a sword technique that follow no rule other than his user wish .

What does Androssi have that match that ?

What about GF princess , having the blood of 2 irregular ?

Sure some special ability may be outside a GF family , Doom ability to create dog , Karaka or even Kallavan , but 99,999999 of the time GF ability are far superior than you average regular .

My point isn't that Enne and Adori are half irregular , it is just a illustration that show ranking or comparing them to other princess make no sense , they are existence that make no sense .

To sum up , there is 2 reason why i believe she may be inferior , she has the blood of only one irregular and her attribute should be far inferior to a GF princess who has special ability like pill , flame or swordmanship .

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Sure, it does. A person like Lilial has had a lot of advantages in life that helped her get to where she is. Androssi did not. Androssi had the more difficult path to becoming a princess. And Androssi was essentially hand picked up by the snake charmer because she had the potential she does.

Being a part of a great family is by itself an advantage. Androssi became a princess with without all of that.

Wrong we know the competition in GF is far harder . Just look at the koon family .

 

[Jubei_Kibagami]

It's too soon to rule against Androssi being a LPB or Hendo, or any other (maybe an Ari).

And, I've seen mention Garam is also not from a GF. We don't know that either, and some of us suspect shes the product of an important Tower clan and Khun.

Wrong, Adori >> 10 family princess means all normal princesses >> 10 family princesses.

So, one example is enough to extrapolate out to every other iteration? I don't follow.

No, a promise is one of the only things I've seen people in the tower respect. Even White respects this rule. They could break their promise at some point and it was to their benefit, at least in the short term but they didn't do it. What's more, that bet should have some purpose, or why was inserted in the plot? So in order to make sense, this topic should be brought up at some point in the future.

You know - I keep wondering why a marriage is so important for Rei and the whole prospect behind how binding it would or wouldn't be to Baam.

If it's a forced marriage, there would be no love or obligation to keep Baam around. IRL there are divorces and annulments. Or just leaving the spouse while married. Stepping out/cheating, abuse, neglect, etc. In short: marriage is only as important as you both make it out to be. Baam would in theory be forced into one. So what? Why not just leave his "wife" at first chance? Or even take her with if so partial. What about it forces him to become a LPB in theory?

Kids? Can't force kids. Particularly from Baam lol. And even if so - flight with the kids and hide then. Or, abandon then to the mom as he was forced to sire, i.e., rape really.

So, what is so permanent about the whole thing? Then I read your post about promises always being honored - which I believe it because you say it (I can't think of a single example of one not honored, but there could be one...).

What I'm getting at - are promises (bets, marriages, or otherwise) 'contracts' that cannot be broken and are then enforced by the admin? Or rather, could any given promise be arranged via a floor solicitor/lawyer in the admin (they can go before them to form contracts on shinsoo...)? Are promises entered into contract under the services of an admin unbreakable as they are somehow shinsoo enforced? Maybe your body rebels or you die instantly?

Just wild guesses with no basis. But, I really don't see the point of a marriage magically making Baam a LPB or somehow likely to hang around just cause.

Probably a tiger then, reminds me of Jinsung dragon tiger gate transcendental skill (Levi is a dragon ?). But maybe that's the catch, Lilial might be strong but she hasn't yet managed to take the tiger out ? That could also be the source of her insecurities, a LPB that can't control a shinheuh.

Why not snek considering?

Reminds me of Yuri and not being able to ignite her BM.

If you've ever worked in Healthcare at any level, there's another way to read this - and it's probably for the best that Yuri can't do that...

But we know that her father could reasonably not be Rey and this hugely diminishes that lineage part.

Implying it could be SS though, right? Particularly considering what he claims.

While not an irregular, there's still a possibility that SS is from an ancient Tower snek (like a smaller 'wisdom' Snake or something) and that's a significant power in of itself.

Regardless, on the maternal side the twins ARE related to Rei no question - Laura is Lobodon's seed, and the latter being a DD of Rei's. So, they have indirect descendant Rei DNA all the same. Not as much as a DD, but still.

There's also the possibility that their genes have been tinkered with considering who is at the helm of the LPB, and his penchant for experiments. Even his throne speaks to this, the DNA double helix that it is...

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A couple of updates: WEBTOON is back!

Robadon is a DD —-> Cacede is third unit commander and one of his grandchildren. Laura too is a granddaughter and aunt to cacede
Yuri’s probation is military conscription(I was wrong, no power seal)
JamJam is an AR
SS is actually SM Serpent Master - it’s in the FH’s storage room!
What KIRIN actually says to SM - my snakes, you immortal beasts that bite off your own tails and sprout 2 heads instead, I pity you, …now that you’ve awoken to forbidden emotions.

Much of this we already know:

- Kirin was tapped to get SS, so of course that was his order (that was his voice - you claimed SS was talking to itself lol)
- Yuri on probation and forced to do menial crap (not sure where you got power seal, but that was never implied)
- JamJam/ZimZim whatever is an AR - his intro in the non-webtoon versions also say this
- Lobadon being a DD, didn't we know that as well? Same with Cacede and Laura. Which part is new exactly?
- SS being kept in the LPB Family vault - yes, that's what it said in every translation I've seen...

Now, the only thing new I'm seeing here is SM not SS (big deal) and the quote to SS/SM:

Sprouting two heads instead of hairs. Well, that doesn't seem to be the literal case (unless a snake LITERALLY bites is own tale off and this causes it to sprout another snake - asexual cloaning? But, what of its tail then?). I think it's figurative. But, still flowery language hinting at a self-cloning ability nonetheless.

Not sure what Advanced Ranker JamJam has in store for Yuri a HR! Even though it’s immortal I hope there’s more opponents than just Serpent Master

You sure are talkative about SS now - has your opinion about it changed at all since the webtoon drop?

 

[Rak]

Akraptor's daughter works with Rachel. She was wearing a cloak, with Michael and Apple IIRC.

Not necessarily. She could have worked for Khell or the ambassador, or FUG in general. Her association whith Rachel's crew might have just been one of circumstances. That very often happens in TOG. Also, we still don't really know the exact relationship between FUG and Rachel.

 

[Jammin]

Wrong we know the competition in GF is far harder . Just look at the koon family .

I don't think we do know that. We know that becoming a princess can be difficult for anybody. We also know from Koon and from Yihwa that being a member of one of the 10 families comes with a degree of power.

Androssi was chosen to be a princess and had none of that power, that we're aware of. From that she achieved equal stature without all of that is a tribute to how much ability she had. She was the best of the best. And we've seen repeatedly just how much talent that is. Like when she learned how to do that shinsoo stuff from Eduan almost effortlessly.

So, yeah, I think there is a very good chance that next week she stomps Lilial. Especially given that Lilials plan revolves around using that snake thing to win, and it's going after Baam with Yuri around soooo.... yeah. It's never coming back. That thing is dead as friend chicken.

 

[Turtle hunter]

I don't think we do know that. We know that becoming a princess can be difficult for anybody. We also know from Koon and from Yihwa that being a member of one of the 10 families comes with a degree of power.

Androssi was chosen to be a princess and had none of that power, that we're aware of. From that she achieved equal stature without all of that is a tribute to how much ability she had. She was the best of the best. And we've seen repeatedly just how much talent that is. Like when she learned how to do that shinsoo stuff from Eduan in almost effortlessly.

So, yeah, I think there is a very good chance that next week she stomps Lilial. Especially given that Lilials plan revolves around using that snake thing to win, and it's going after Baam with Yuri around soooo.... yeah. It's never coming back. That thing is dead as friend chicken.

Yes we do know that , in the koon family they even kill each other .

You literally have the most talented among the most talented family .

Androssi is strong but she very likely never faced the same amount of competition as other GF jahad princess .

 

[Epic_Rider]

Sure, it does. A person like Lilial has had a lot of advantages in life that helped her get to where she is. Androssi did not. Androssi had the more difficult path to becoming a princess. And Androssi was essentially hand picked up by the snake charmer because she had the potential she does.

Being a part of a great family is by itself an advantage. Androssi became a princess with without all of that.

We've seen Androssi survive some pretty tough battles. She has experience fighting against people stronger than her that I doubt Lilial has. That might prove to be the turning point here.

 

[Jammin]

Yes we do know that , in the koon family they even kill each other .

You literally have the most talented among the most talented family .

Androssi is strong but she very likely never faced the same amount of competition as other GF jahad princess .

So? Androssi and the group she was thrown into were killing each other too, if anything it was more vicious. That doesn't make Lilial special, if she even did come from that same background with her sister. And Androssi was made a princess ultimately. There is no 10 Family Princess distinction that we're aware of. So she reached the place were those 10 Family Princesses did.

I think what we're ultimately going to find out here is that Shilal is the stronger of the twins.

Clearly Lilial isn't the brightest. And she's eager to rely on something like this snake thing to win. The fact that she's pinning her hopes on that snake showing up with Baam to threaten Androssi should tell you that even she isn't super confident about her chances. So I feel like this is going to be a scenario where she gets beat or killed and then the big sister shows up and is all scary.

 

[King Dryst]

Also, we still don't really know the exact relationship between FUG and Rachel.

I would guess mostly nonexistent at this point, considering Baam's ascendent status within the organization.