Canon Suzaku vs Erza Scarlet

[WoWfan]

I would give this to Erza as she managed to defeat Misaki who is or roughly around Suzaku’s level.

 

[Darklord#10]

I would give this to Erza as she managed to defeat Misaki who is or roughly around Suzaku’s level.

Fair point. I'm willing to accept misaki=suzaku.

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Erza was the leader in the finale, meaning she was the strongest.

Laxus defeats jura but somehow he's weaker than Erza who defeated kagura and Minerva who not on gildarts level. I guess GMG Erza was stronger than jura

 

[Jko]

Fair point. I'm willing to accept misaki=suzaku.

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Laxus defeats jura but somehow he's weaker than Erza who defeated kagura and Minerva who not on gildarts level. I guess GMG Erza was stronger than jura

GMG Erza was the same as Tenrou Erza. She didn't have SO until the very end of the arc and she was already battered up by then.

 

[Darklord#10]

GMG Erza was the same as Tenrou Erza. She didn't have SO until the very end of the arc and she was already battered up by then.

So GMG Erza is stronger than jura?

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Let me get this straight once and for all. So when laxus said Erza was holding back and she should stop. It was a lie
Jura who was compared to gildarts back in GMG was weaker than Erza, but Misaki who was indirectly compared to gildarts is gildarts level. So jura hype is false but Misaki hype is real.
Nice nice I love this blatant hypocrisy. Minerva and kagura was not on gildarts level but for some reason they're on par with jura.

 

[Goku solos]

Misaki> Suzaku. It's pretty clear Mashima chose Kirin and Miskai to be the top 2 as both of them were compared to Gildarts. There is no point in debating it. The whole Suzaku>>> BDSK is nothing by but pure wank. Just because he got better feats doesn't mean his is the strongest. Kirin was throwing laxus around, and Miskai could have low diff Gray and Gajeel. Since they basically admitted they don't stand a chance against her. If feats made a person the strongest, God Serena would be stronger than Irene since his historia was overwhelming team Natsu, while Irene somewhat struggled with Erza.
Ik Miskai said the only women she met who are stronger than her, are Erza and Selene.
We know Kirin and Misaki fought since Kirin is the strongest most likely he beat her. However by Misaki's reaction Erza was the FIRST person to overwrite her dimension by magic power. If Kirin done so as well she would have stated it. Miskai already compared Kirin and Erza and Erza destroyed that benchmark of power when she overcame her dimension. Erza doesn't necessarily have to fight the strongest BDSK to be considered stronger than all of them.

You typed that much yet couldn't give one good argument.
Give me your discord tag and let's debate there

 

[Darklord#10]

You typed that much yet couldn't give one good argument.
Give me your discord tag and let's debate there

Lol I legit asked him why those suzaku have to be compared to gildarts to be stronger than Misaki he can't answer. We've seen enough of suzaku to know he's a contender for the strongest in Diabolos. Kirin isn't going to just one tap suzaku

 

[Darklord#10]

Suzaku is that guy

Has always been lmao.

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I almost fainted reading this

 

[Axiomus]

Suzaku isnt being compared to Gildarts. He's being compared to Kurunugi, a dragon that's a direct descendent to a god dragon. That's better than having Gildarts level MP. Selene has Acnologia levels of MP. Her followers said she was serious when they saw the enlarged moon. Her MP made the MP of Elentir go wild and flooded citys in Earthland from a different continent. Mercphobia upon seeing this, acknowledged Selene's MP as greater than his. Suzaku defeated her while she wad flexing this level of MP. That's straight up better than being compared to Gildarts. Misaki's only claim to fame is her own statement that Kirin is the only person she's taken seriously when sparring. This means nothing. You dont go all out when sparring friends. Suzaku beat Selene when she was pissed off for eating her son. That's better than sparring Kirin. That's better than even beating Kirin in sparring.

Anyways, Suzaku and Erza had already fought. He oneshotted her and base Natsu. Natsu needed FDK scales to not get oneshotted. FDK scales are harder than regular dragon scales, and therefore harder than literally every single armour in Erza's arsenal. The only thing that can realistically defend against Suzaku's attacks is Erza going all out with an enchanted katana. Her robes provide no defensive properties. If Suzaku lands a blow on her body during this, she's done.

 

[Darklord#10]

Suzaku isnt being compared to Gildarts. He's being compared to Kurunugi, a dragon that's a direct descendent to a god dragon. That's better than having Gildarts level MP. Selene has Acnologia levels of MP. Her followers said she was serious when they saw the enlarged moon. Her MP made the MP of Elentir go wild and flooded citys in Earthland from a different continent. Mercphobia upon seeing this, acknowledged Selene's MP as greater than his. Suzaku defeated her while she wad flexing this level of MP. That's straight up better than being compared to Gildarts. Misaki's only claim to fame is her own statement that Kirin is the only person she's taken seriously when sparring. This means nothing. You dont go all out when sparring friends. Suzaku beat Selene when she was pissed off for eating her son. That's better than sparring Kirin. That's better than even beating Kirin in sparring.

Anyways, Suzaku and Erza had already fought. He oneshotted her and base Natsu. Natsu needed FDK scales to not get oneshotted. FDK scales are harder than regular dragon scales, and therefore harder than literally every single armour in Erza's arsenal. The only thing that can realistically defend against Suzaku's attacks is Erza going all out with an enchanted katana. Her robes provide no defensive properties. If Suzaku lands a blow on her body during this, she's done.

Meh I doesn't even matter if she goes all out against kirin or not. Erza concluded armour is useless against laxus if he can just destroy lightning armour. Kirin stomped laxus. Erza=laxus. Misaki failed to casually stomp Erza. Only way you can try to turn this around is trying to argue that Erza is stronger than laxus which will just be madness atp.

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Meh and mashima is just bad at writing fights.

 

[MyaHeart35]

Meh I doesn't even matter if she goes all out against kirin or not. Erza concluded armour is useless against laxus if he can just destroy lightning armour. Kirin stomped laxus. Erza=laxus. Misaki failed to casually stomp Erza. Only way you can try to turn this around is trying to argue that Erza is stronger than laxus which will just be madness atp.

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Meh and mashima is just bad at writing fights.

Tbf that same Erza stalemated a stronger power red lighting with her basic armor. It's simple, Erza was stronger before Laxus power up.

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Erza wins as she will most likely defeat a signario sister who are hyped to be stronger than the BDSK.

 

[Axiomus]

Tbf that same Erza stalemated a stronger power red lighting with her basic armor. It's simple, Erza was stronger before Laxus power up.

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Erza wins as she will most likely defeat a signario sister who are hyped to be stronger than the BDSK.

No. Erza used all her power to stalemate Laxus. They're equals, with Laxus being slightly more durable.

Signario Sisters were never hyped as stronger than a BDSK. Diabolos was the strongest mage guild on Giltena. Gold Owl possibly rivals them because they are not mages.

 

[MyaHeart35]

No. Erza used all her power to stalemate Laxus. They're equals, with Laxus being slightly more durable.

Signario Sisters were never hyped as stronger than a BDSK. Diabolos was the strongest mage guild on Giltena. Gold Owl possibly rivals them because they are not mages.

What Erza says is one thing but always prove another. She is still the only person beat a BDSK without any outside assistance.

Skullion specifically said Gold Owl stands on par with Diabolos. They kinda are. They're far stronger than God Serena who may or may not be Gildarts level along with the top 2 BDSK. Most of the time in fairy tail, the villains in the next arc are usually stronger than the ones before. Let's not also forget skullion said Miskai was the strongest female as a "wizard." Meaning the signario sisters are stronger or at least strong as Misaki.

 

[Axiomus]

What Erza says is one thing but always prove another. She is still the only person beat a BDSK without any outside assistance.

Skullion specifically said Gold Owl stands on par with Diabolos. They kinda are. They're far stronger than God Serena who may or may not be Gildarts level along with the top 2 BDSK. Most of the time in fairy tail, the villains in the next arc are usually stronger than the ones before. Let's not also forget skullion said Miskai was the strongest female as a "wizard." Meaning the signario sisters are stronger or at least strong as Misaki.

She didnt just say it. She collapsed from exhaustion. What outside assistance did Laxus get?

Yeah, they might be as strong as a BDSK, but they were never stated to be stronger. God Serena thought he was gonna take Acno. The fact that he hasnt oneshotted base Natsu yet is enough to tell that he's not on Suzaku's level

 

[Darklord#10]

Lol what did I say they were going to say Erza>laxus.

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yeah lol.
Erza fans don't believe Erza=laxus they outright believe she's stronger. This is Erza trying to go rescue jellal she can't even move. She's gassed out. Oh before you mention natsu vs gajeel. Irrelevant natsu's the main character and erza is not.
Suzaku wins Erza has nothing in her offensive arsenal to put down suzaku.

 

[MyaHeart35]

Lol what did I say they were going to say Erza>laxus.

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yeah lol.
Erza fans don't believe Erza=laxus they outright believe she's stronger. This is Erza trying to go rescue jellal she can't even move. She's gassed out. Oh before you mention natsu vs gajeel. Irrelevant natsu's the main character and erza is not.
Suzaku wins Erza has nothing in her offensive arsenal to put down suzaku.

I'm talking about before the Laxus's power up. Now they're equals. She has an attack that basically onehshotted someone on his level.

 

[sharkai]

I mean by ur logic u don’t believe that misaki isn’t the strongest woman in her continent because herself proclaimed statement?

Also what makes u beleive that misaki>Suzuku? I’m just curious

which is why it’s weird to me when we agree on this. after the laxus and erza fight I haven’t seen any1 put laxus ln another tier from erza (not that I remember) I feel like when people say laxus>erza u get triggered/it rubs u the wrong way.

Sorry for the late response. I didn't have time so I left old threads unread.
Did Misaki say that? Well I wouldn't believe it if she said it. However I will believe the portrayal that Misaki and kirin were compared


Misaki above suzaku? Simple
Kirin is said to of the strongest. Only person compared with him is Misaki. From there mp being compared to Gildarts to Misaki statements of putting erza on the same level as Kirin when she released her strongest attack
Gap between kirin and the rest isn't big. Which is why he was said to be one of the strongest. Not the strongest. Midnight or Minerva are good example of being the strongest. The manga clearly stats they are strongest and others treated them with respect or fear. Meaning, Minerva and midnight were a teir above their teammates
Kirin hype is below that, so he might be on top of the team, but the gap isn't big.
Suzaku feats are meanwhile done in hype phase, new guy introduction, get the dump fans on the hype train

Another way you can be damn sure Misaki is above suzaku is, pattern. In fairy tail most of the time, erza foot soldier opponent is always stronger than natsu foot soldier opponent
From owl guy vs aria
To sting vs Minerva
To jackal or tempster vs koyoka
To gajeel vs laxus

If you are stronger, you will generally get a stronger opponent. Apparently mishma still thinks erza is stronger than natsu
Then of course natsu contractual obligations of fighting the boss


Yes, I get triggered. Laxus is one of the most wanked characters in fairy tail, while erza one of the most hated. Why do you think laxus was on this imaginary tier above erza before mishma set the fans right.
Even now, @grey matter will somehow fits jellal between erza and laxus lol
We have clear feats that laxus and erza have equal attack power and equal speed stats. Still some dump guy will come that only erza endurance made that match extreme diff along with kiria contribution lol
But yes, situation is much better now

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Suzaku did make two cuts. One strike to break the sword. Another on Erza. The cuts were from different directions, and the sword broke before Erza's wounds opened up. 2 cuts. The argument that Mashima doesnt care is unconvincing because Mashima is the one that drew it like so. Erza wasnt *faster* even if we do take your interpretation (that it was one cut that smashed Erza's sword). Suzaku drew his sword, made a cut, and sheathed it before Erza realized she was beaten. At best she was as fast as Suzaku.

Not that this even matters. He was casual against Erza and Natsu. Selene was faster than Suzaku when she got serious, and he still landed his strongest move on her when he got more serious too.

Sorry for the late response. Didn't read it till now

Maybe drawing that cut was visually cool. Maybe that is why mishma drew it like that.
Agreed. Erza was casual as well. Casual erza is someone kiria can handle.

Sorry, but second origin *is* a far better power up than 3 months of training. I've already explained this. Second origin doubles your MP supply. Nobody that trained for 3 months doubled their MP from Tenrou to GMG. Not even Gildarts.

Second origin gave Erza the ability to use nakagami, Natsu the ability to use DF without eating for a power up, Lucy the ability to summon the CSK. All things they couldnt do with their pre-timeskip MP levels. 3 months of training gave Laxus....a secret art. It's not even a stronger attack than Fairy Glitter, which means it wont be a stronger attack than his own Fairy Law pre TS.

Maybe. But you know I look for statements from manga for these kind of things. Since they aren't any so I don't like to put my own opinion because they will be subject to my bais.
And I also like make predictions from any theories made. This one will result in gmg gray > gmg gajeel. So no,

Don't think this example of yours is good man

 

[Axiomus]

Sorry for the late response. Didn't read it till now

Maybe drawing that cut was visually cool. Maybe that is why mishma drew it like that.
Agreed. Erza was casual as well. Casual erza is someone kiria can handle.

He drew 2 cuts.

We're talking specifically about speed. Selene was faster than Suzaku. It didn't stop Suzaku from landing his final hit. Saying that Kyria can handle a casual Erza doesn't mean anything here.

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Sorry for the late response. I didn't have time so I left old threads unread.
Did Misaki say that? Well I wouldn't believe it if she said it. However I will believe the portrayal that Misaki and kirin were compared


Misaki above suzaku? Simple
Kirin is said to of the strongest. Only person compared with him is Misaki. From there mp being compared to Gildarts to Misaki statements of putting erza on the same level as Kirin when she released her strongest attack
Gap between kirin and the rest isn't big. Which is why he was said to be one of the strongest. Not the strongest. Midnight or Minerva are good example of being the strongest. The manga clearly stats they are strongest and others treated them with respect or fear. Meaning, Minerva and midnight were a teir above their teammates
Kirin hype is below that, so he might be on top of the team, but the gap isn't big.
Suzaku feats are meanwhile done in hype phase, new guy introduction, get the dump fans on the hype train

Another way you can be damn sure Misaki is above suzaku is, pattern. In fairy tail most of the time, erza foot soldier opponent is always stronger than natsu foot soldier opponent
From owl guy vs aria
To sting vs Minerva
To jackal or tempster vs koyoka
To gajeel vs laxus

If you are stronger, you will generally get a stronger opponent. Apparently mishma still thinks erza is stronger than natsu
Then of course natsu contractual obligations of fighting the boss


Yes, I get triggered. Laxus is one of the most wanked characters in fairy tail, while erza one of the most hated. Why do you think laxus was on this imaginary tier above erza before mishma set the fans right.
Even now, @grey matter will somehow fits jellal between erza and laxus lol
We have clear feats that laxus and erza have equal attack power and equal speed stats. Still some dump guy will come that only erza endurance made that match extreme diff along with kiria contribution lol
But yes, situation is much better now

Kirin is the strongest BDSK. Misaki sparred, and probably lost, a friendly sparring match with him.

Selene is stronger than any BDSK. Suzaku beat her when she was pissed about her son being eaten.

You are correct in that the stronger you are...you will get the stronger opponent. Suzaku got to face *ahem* Erza (oneshot), Natsu (oneshot again), Selene (defeated a serious human form), Natsu again (forced to focus everything on defense, even with Dragon King scales), Ignia (tanked an attack that melted the unbreakable labyrinth), and Dogramag (carried Natsu through the fight). Suzaku ran a gauntlet through the strongest characters in the series.

Suzaku was the MVP of the arc. He wasn't Natsu's fodder. Natsu and Erza were his.

 

[sharkai]

"Casual Erza can handle Kyria" please she had a tough fight with her even when the hax wasn't involved and Kyria even forced her out her enchantments so she wasn't casual. Ever since her fight with Laxus, Erza tards have been pretty sure that Erza can mid diff or stomp anything but Natsu Gildarts Laxus.

Erm my point was exactly what you mean. That erza is kyria teir

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He drew 2 cuts.

We're talking specifically about speed. Selene was faster than Suzaku. It didn't stop Suzaku from landing his final hit. Saying that Kyria can handle a casual Erza doesn't mean anything here.

Pretty sure erza only got one cut

It means alot. Serious erza is teirs above her causal form

Kirin is the strongest BDSK. Misaki sparred, and probably lost, a friendly sparring match with him.

Selene is stronger than any BDSK. Suzaku beat her when she was pissed about her son being eaten.

We dont know Misaki lost or not. He is not the strongest, he is one of the strongest

So suzkau is >>>>> kirin and Misaki?
Why wasn't this mentioned in the manga?

You are correct in that the stronger you are...you will get the stronger opponent. Suzaku got to face *ahem* Erza (oneshot), Natsu (oneshot again), Selene (defeated a serious human form), Natsu again (forced to focus everything on defense, even with Dragon King scales), Ignia (tanked an attack that melted the unbreakable labyrinth), and Dogramag (carried Natsu through the fight). Suzaku ran a gauntlet through the strongest characters in the series

Suzaku is irrelevant, a side character, and a bad guy. Dishonesty doesn't suit you. You know I am talking about good guys fighting bad guys.

Suzaku was the MVP of the arc. He wasn't Natsu's fodder. Natsu and Erza were his

Maybe, that's irrelevant. Natsu was mvp in tenrou arc, doesn't mean he was stronger than gildarts

 

[Axiomus]

Erm my point was exactly what you mean. That erza is kyria teir

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Pretty sure erza only got one cut

It means alot. Serious erza is teirs above her causal form



We dont know Misaki lost or not. He is not the strongest, he is one of the strongest

So suzkau is >>>>> kirin and Misaki?
Why wasn't this mentioned in the manga?




Suzaku is irrelevant, a side character, and a bad guy. Dishonesty doesn't suit you. You know I am talking about good guys fighting bad guys.



Maybe, that's irrelevant. Natsu was mvp in tenrou arc, doesn't mean he was stronger than gildarts

2 cuts. One for the blade. One on Erza's body.

It means nothing. My argument was that Selene was faster than Suzaku, but it didnt stop Suzaku from beating her. Kyria being on the level of a casual Erza doesnt elevates serious Erza above Selene.

Literally the only BDSK that's on the cover of the volumes. Fights the big bad of the arc. The good guys couldnt beat him, so he becomes the hero.

Laxus was the MVP of Tenrou. He created LFD Natsu, who was stronger than Hades.

 

[WoWfan]

LFD Natsu was not stronger than hades as he got back up moments later