Suzaku stalemated FDK Natsu. Natsu was using FDK scales and using FDK Destruction Fists. FDK Natsu is stronger than Erza.
He specifically said the flames were the scales. He's always had those flames with the mode. And the dragon scales Suzaku can cut are dependent on the strength of the dragon. There are dragon scales that Gajeel's iron is much harder than and there are dragon scales that are way harder. Suzaku saying he can cut dragon scales doesn't mean much since any dragon he could cut wouldn't scale above any of the other DDSK. Also Erza cut through dragon scales when her sword was enchanted with DS magic (and pretty strong ones at that) so that's not much of a point in Suzaku's favor.
Her base sword broke. Kyria could do that and Erza's way stronger than her. And again regardless of what level you think her defense is without the armors, She'll always take less damage when wearing them.
SE plugs have been known to drain magic quickly from the BOS. And Erza is also stronger than Yoko so Suzaku fighting people stronger than her doesn't say much. Especially since most of those "fights" Don't involve much more than Suzaku getting ragdolled and one of them throwing a the fight at the end, and the other is against someone who's canonically weaker than Erza.
"They are on the same level when all factors are considered" This is never said. The only thing said about them in comparison to Suzaku is that they are all as strong as him. Those kind of strength statements talk about overall stats. What you're doing is like if I were to assume that Dimaria had crap attack power compared to brandish simply because her time power is more haxed. It doesn't work like that. Characters can have high stats as well as hax. The reason Misaki isn't considered stronger than the others is because despite this hax, the others have ways to contend with her while in the other dimension as evident by the fact that she was pressured enough by Kirin to use her space bending attacks. Also if you believe that Kirin has similar attack power to Suzaku, and Laxus was able to withstand his blows, then why do you think Erza wouldn't be able to withstand Kirin's strikes when she's prepared for them? And Misaki was definitely dominating when she brought out her Space bending attacks which is her peak just like Kirin's lightning. According to the same Kirin Misaki wasn't at her full potential either but to me that's just him being a sore loser since Misaki admitted defeat.
Still got nerfed 72 times. Also nothing shows that Natsu is stronger than Misaki. He didn't beat Suzaku who's Misaki is as strong as. Yeah Dogramag hit him before he got weakened..... so? He was definitely capable of killing both of them, but in usual ft villain fashion they end up using just enough power to not kill the heroes. Same thing happened with Gajeel and Serena in the same arc and has been happening since the beginning.
"There's no reason to believe Selene was lying"
Said one chapter before she put on her act.
Looked like she was spamming swords to me. And you previously mentioned Kirin tanking the "red lightning finisher" before he got serious as a way to say that his stats were higher than Misaki's. I'm just pointing out that Misaki took an attack of similar strength before she went all out as well. Also Suzaku was down for a couple chapters when Dogramag did his attack. But it helps when his only fights have been against people holding back and someone that's slightly weaker than him.
Name me a single attack Natsu took from Etherious Mard geer that Erza wouldn't be able to take since you claim Natsu's defense was higher there. Considering that Erza's opponent was the the second strongest already and had an ability that made her stronger every second, and the fact that Erza's pain receptors were heightened making the attacks significantly more difficult to withstand, Erza taking those attacks are way more impressive.
This parts hilarious. Kyria was the blade dragon but blades could still be used against her. Also Sword Saint just means he specializes in swordsmanship. I don't think there's anything indicating he eats swords lol.
We can see the scales. He didn't have them before, except when he was in dragon force.
There's no such thing as a base sword. Erza's katanas can channel all her power into an attack. She has enchanted katanas, but her enchanted katanas don't have blades harder than her regular ones. True benisakura was an enchanted katana, and Kyria broke it with a kick. Regardless of what you think of Erza's armors, Suzaku oneshotted Erza. Casually. With an unnamed attack. Even if Erza is more durable with her armours, Suzaku has way better attacks.
SE plugs are used to power vehicles. Regular people can use them. They aren't relevant to any discussion about power rankings.
It absolutely does work like that. Dimaria doesn't have bad stats compared to Brandish....cuz Brandish doesn't have amazing stats either. She has bad attack power compared to Ajeel, Wall, and God Serena though. Dimaria got ragdolled by Natsu. Literally beat her so bad she decided to give up on magic and became a farmer. God Serena would clown Dimaria in a fist fight given what he did to Gajeel. We need to look no further than Neinhart to see that MP doesn't mean anything. Neinhart was enchanted with more MP than Brandish could affect. Still got steamrolled by Natsu. In fact, the Spriggans are the perfect example of this. Natsu steamrolled Jacob and Neinhart. What he did to Dimaria would classify as a war crime. If you don't believe the Spriggans have any variation in physical strength, then Natsu is flat out better than Erza.
Kirin was holding back against Laxus most of the fight. He was ragdolling Laxus with his atmosphere magic, which is not even his main magic. He didn't even use his thunder until their rematch, and every time he did he ragdolled Laxus. Kirin was more interested in feeding Laxus to Elexion. That's why he lost. Had Kirin fought Laxus normally, or done literally anything other than try to put Laxus in the coffin, he would have won. He can basically no sell Red Lightning finisher, which is Laxus' strongest attack. Erza was not spamming all her swords at Misaki. How do I know this? Because she didn't run out of MP and she used Sea Empress and Armadura Fairy immediately afterwards. Against Laxus, when he asked her if she had any tricks left, and Erza said no.
Erza wasn't even more prepared against Misaki than she was against Suzaku. Against Suzaku, she could react and block the attack. Against Misaki, she was literally in the middle of wondering why her legs have no strength when Misaki hit her head on. Then it wasn't until they left blue dimension that the actual damage kicked in, which took Erza completely by surprise. Misaki wouldn't even have done any notable damage to Erza without blue dimension's effect. Suzaku is able to oneshot Erza without all that gimmick. He simply hits harder.
Sure, I can buy that Kirin and Misaki couldn't fight at their full potential in a cramped space. But guess what? Neither can Suzaku. His sword was literally hitting the walls. Natsu even made fun of him for it.
Dogramag is still a god dragon to begin with. Still had enough power to assume a dragon form, stomp Natsu into the ground, and trap him. Suzaku tanked that attack, and broke Natsu out. Ignia may have been holding back, but he still blasted the entire labyrinth to oblivion with that attack. By the way, the reason Suzaku felt hotter was because Ignia was right beside him. He was *in* the blast that caught everyone's attention. If MP flexing was an end-all-be-all, everyone felt Ignia's MP even when Ignia was nowhere near them.
How does that in any way prove Selene is lying? She's not even saying anything of note there. Her followers noted that she got serious when she enlarged the moon. Her MP flex was so impressive that Mercphobia acknowledge that she was stronger than him and Aldoron. She got mad and said that she was going to end the fight with her next attack. She then later admitted she was no match for Suzaku in human form. What part of this is her lying?
I don't think Erza would get oneshotted by any particular attack from Mard. I think she would get beat down after a decent fight. Also, Jiemma was the second strongest in Tartaros after Mard, not Kyouka. I'm not saying Natsu has better durability in Tartaros. My wording was confusing, so I apologize. He caught up to Erza in Tartaros and surpassed her in Alvarez. In Alvarez, Natsu was the only person to be able to stand back up against Acno towards the end, and this was before Wendy enchanted him with everyone's MP. He's got better durability than Laxus, which Erza scales to.
Erza's never actually cut Kyria with a blade. She used flames to burn Kyria. Which I suppose she can do to Suzaku, but Suzaku can tank FDK and Ignia's flames. So what's Erza gonna try to do? Meteor enchant? Ice-Devil Slayer? All of that is far weaker than the attacks Suzaku has tanked.
