Dumas & Richemonte vs Nest

[VON]

The two Po Bidau vs

Bam, Yama, Evankhell, White, Khell Hellam, Jinsung, Karaka, Doom, Paul

The only caveat is that they must take down Dumas first before targeting richemonte specifically.

does Dumas solo them?

 

[Demonspeed]

He is really annoying but I think with support Hellam can lead them to victory. Also, Baam got caught in base. If he stays far away and focus on firing Orbs he can help a lot.

It's really strange to say that the Po Bidau win against so many High Rankers but if the other team doesn't play smart they lose. LBs can be pretty annoying too.

 

[VON]

He is really annoying but I think with support Hellam can lead them to victory. Also, Baam got caught in base. If he stays far away and focus on firing Orbs he can help a lot.

It's really strange to say that the Po Bidau win against so many High Rankers but if the other team doesn't play smart they lose. LBs can be pretty annoying too.

Helram’s strong but his physical combat ability seems to be on par with 1fang Yama, it’s not anything to write home about. And I think even DC Bam gets skewered.

 

[Big-Bird]

Dumas kills them all, those who don't die instantly, will be killed in a battle of attrittion.

 

[kkck]

I think the key issue here is dumas' immortality spell. The other high rankers would have to do something that allows them to at least sufficiently incapacitate dumas, if not kill him. We saw that karaka still shuts down if he takes sufficient damage but this doesn't seem to apply to dumas. Welp, that or jinsung didn't deal enough damage for dumas to shut down.

Spell wise the gang's options are bam who can cancel spells and white who uses spells. Assuming the nest folk know what they are in for odds are they could try and have bam touch the armor to shut down the spell. I don't think there's an obvious way in which white's spells are useful here.

So lets see what the nest folk are contending with... Richmont is a high ranker light bearer. He uses at least 375 mini lighthouses and we've seen that his defense is incredibly powerful, being able to block bam and also an attack from khel hellam whom we know packs a decent punch. A high ranker lightbearer is relatively uncommon and we have seen their utility can in many exceeds their power level.

The dumas.. The guy has an immortality spell which jinsung made the point made him practically invincible, on top of that he has a carrier with endless regenerating spears. He fires said spears quick and hard enough to pretty much immediately take out multiple powerful high rankers (though all of them were not in good condition).

A light bearer is a fantastic partner for a spear bearer, it's that simple. This is a situation where the further the nest folk get from dumas the more danger they are in. Who knows what range dumas has but I think an appropriate framing for what he has shown so far is that paired with richmond he can probably hit an ant right in the ballsack with his nukes from hundreds of miles away. It's all absurd overkill. The nest folk have numbers but position wise they seem to mostly comprise scouts and fishermen. And bam as a wave controller but at the mid range dumas seems as deadly as in any other range..

So... I am not sure of what the nest folk can do. With what we have seen they can hit dumas with everything they have and dumas will still get up and nuke them.

 

[Hexbend]

Similar case to the other thread, we need to see how Dumas and Richie perform against the characters when their not weakened by a great amount.

Dominating Jinsung like that is impressive but that's all he did really.....against the others, Yama is currently weakened to the point he seems like he can't even do a proper partial transformation. Baam never had the chance to do anything which won't happen in a situation with more teammates and karaka is well....he tries at least

Add all these other heavy hitters and at their best....well yea its an extreme jump from what Dumas did

though Dumas's heart is a problem even if he's outnumbered

 

[XXGenesis]

Way too many heavy hitters for just these 2. Even if Dumas could more than solo them individually; It’s just too many people capable of giving their side an advantage to win.

 

[VON]

I now strongly believe Dumas can solo them all.

 

[Big-Bird]

I now strongly believe Dumas can solo them all.

He's HIM
No One but Dumas

 

[Yelnats]

Richemont's lighthouse shield can be neutralized with shinwonryu and with just small crack, Khel can then forge a path toward Dumas and send Richemont away with his arrow.

The next step is entering the dimension where Dumas's heart is kept. They should be divided into 2 teams (distraction team and infiltration team). The distraction team consist of Jinsung, Evankhell, White, and Yama while the infiltration team consist of the others.

The Carrier Rosario can split into 4 so Dumas might be able to critically injure all members of distraction team in just few seconds so the infiltration team must work quickly.

Karaka know how armor work so he should be able to how to enter the dimension with Dumas's heart even if he can't enter it. Previously Karaka revealed that Zahard/FH can enter this dimension so it is likely that shinwonryu can act as the key to enter. While Dumas is distracted, Khel should forge a path to the place where Baam need to use shinwonryu (might be on Dumas's armor) as revealed by Karaka. The infiltration team should use this path to get to there and then Baam must use shinwonryu to open the dimension. As with Karaka, it is likely Dumas hide his underlings here to guard his heart. Khel should forge a path toward the heart to avoid the underlings. They then only need to destroy the heart to kill Dumas. Doom and Paul is somewhat useless... With Dumas gone, it will be easy to deal with Richemont.

 

[VON]

Richemont's lighthouse shield can be neutralized with shinwonryu and with just small crack, Khel can then forge a path toward Dumas and send Richemont away with his arrow.

The next step is entering the dimension where Dumas's heart is kept. They should be divided into 2 teams (distraction team and infiltration team). The distraction team consist of Jinsung, Evankhell, White, and Yama while the infiltration team consist of the others.

The Carrier Rosario can split into 4 so Dumas might be able to critically injure all members of distraction team in just few seconds so the infiltration team must work quickly.

Karaka know how armor work so he should be able to how to enter the dimension with Dumas's heart even if he can't enter it. Previously Karaka revealed that Zahard/FH can enter this dimension so it is likely that shinwonryu can act as the key to enter. While Dumas is distracted, Khel should forge a path to the place where Baam need to use shinwonryu (might be on Dumas's armor) as revealed by Karaka. The infiltration team should use this path to get to there and then Baam must use shinwonryu to open the dimension. As with Karaka, it is likely Dumas hide his underlings here to guard his heart. Khel should forge a path toward the heart to avoid the underlings. They then only need to destroy the heart to kill Dumas. Doom and Paul is somewhat useless... With Dumas gone, it will be easy to deal with Richemont.

Infiltrating Dumas’ heart dimension is a lost cause. It isn’t possible since Bam still haven't mastered his teleportation thorn. Zahard/10FH can enter it probably because they can warp wherever they want as they have shown.

 

[Yelnats]

Infiltrating Dumas’ heart dimension is a lost cause. It isn’t possible since Bam still haven't mastered his teleportation thorn. Zahard/10FH can enter it probably because they can warp wherever they want as they have shown.

Karaka said Dumas is dangerous because he knows the World of Darkness (the dimension where the armor store the heart). At that time, he didn't even know that Dumas has the armor, all he know is Dumas has knowledge about it. The fact that Karaka feel it's dangerous that an opponent know about it means there might be a way to enter without Zahard/FH/Urek/Thorn warp skill.

Nevertheless, both of our arguments are based on unconfirmed assumptions. Only SIU can confirm it later which one is more accurate.

--- Double Post Merged, Dec 7, 2023, Original Post Date: Dec 7, 2023 ---

Btw, why are So-Oh and Sophia Tan not listed? So-Oh's teleporting skill and Sophia Tan's lighthouse skill are way more useful than Doom and Paul.

 

[kkck]

IIRC karaka said something to the effect of only a family head or administrator being able to enter the space where he stores his real body. I suppose we can't rule out karaka never having contemplated whether someone who uses similar abilities could do that. I wouldn't think karaka can enter dumas' world.

 

[Yelnats]

IIRC karaka said something to the effect of only a family head or administrator being able to enter the space where he stores his real body.

Yes, that was what I said before.

There are 2 theories here, I believe shinwonryu could be used as key to enter the dimension while @ShadoLord believe warp ability from Thorn/FH is needed.

 

[Demonspeed]

Teleportation powers are pretty rare in the first place. Yasratcha said only a few High Rankers have such abilities.

Spatial manipulation itself is an ability that Admins possess.

 

[VON]

Yes, that was what I said before.

There are 2 theories here, I believe shinwonryu could be used as key to enter the dimension while @ShadoLord believe warp ability from Thorn/FH is needed.

2nd floor admin directly warpped Evk and Yhs to Karaka’s heart.

 

[Yelnats]

2nd floor admin directly warpped Evk and Yhs to Karaka’s heart.

Karaka's armor is dependent on the contract with administrator so it is obvious administrator can enter it. Anyway, the one used by Evankhell to enter is a non-instataneous warp gate/path opened by administrator, it is different from Gustang/Traum teleport/warp skill. There might be different ways to enter.

 

[kkck]

There's no reason to think that karaka's armor works via contract with administrator. The framing so far is that it's a spell of some variety.