Games Mafia Game 117-Buffy the Vampire Slayer [Town Wins]

[Baka Taichou]

Night actions and results:

Night 1:
Randomized result for paranoid spy: Checks Shad - Shad performed action on Juviii (Real Target: Raven ~block~)

Coinflip for Priority 1 on block: Demon blocks Shad (Prio 1) - Shad Blocks Raven (Prio 1) -> Shad wins coinflip and successfully blocks Raven

Night 2:
Insane spy randomized target: DD performs action on Xadyu

 

[desin24]

I don't consider doc as a likely case, simply because mafia will rarely take a risk killing a person they think is likely protected.
So I trust mafia ability to dodge a doc protection.



Nice claim, I can't say if paranoia or fake claim but I appreciate that you moved the game forward without being prompted.

Doc should protect juvii tonight.
In case she was poisoned, nothing can be done.
In case somebody else was poisoned and she will be targetted directly for a kill tonight, it will help me dodge this very scary paranoi spy result.

Finding out I targetted juvii out of 10 player he could have gotten, is a bit iffy, juvii is a popular night kill target and if desin knows she is poisoned, it a setup.

Hopefully you woudn't do that to me desin

Well I could certainly have let the train catch speed and run over Raven if I had wanted to but the least I can do is add the results of my action in here.

Gotta let the town discuss this additional info going forward.

Whether a doc protected Juvii last night only they would know.

 

[digitaldude]

You could be insane.

 

[desin24]

Why would you think you will be killed tonight tho?
M.det is dead.

I claimed active and I'm townie so I should be on the shooting list.

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You could be insane.

Yep, that's the first scenario I mentioned. Well have to collect more info so over the course of the days the picture becomes clearer.

 

[AwkwardMisha]

Sometimes I am considered active, sometimes not...



This is honestly going nowhere. You can't say that DD and Bel were as active as Jinx and Raven then say that they gave more input.

All I am reading here is that you don't like that I didn't operate the way you would have.

I don't believe you .

I am saying that same activity still they hinted.
Others on the other hand did not.

But yes, this is going nowhere for the moment.
Also Demon, i have re-read my post and oh god, those haphazardly words that were trying so hard to make a sentence, sorry my last two brain cells were on duty for that post. Ahahahahah sorry for making you read that.


One thing that keeps intriguing me is that I see no correlation between Raven internet problem and the message not being bolded.
Also if you know that your network is not reliable I think a note somewhere in either one of your posts would have assisted you with todays claim.

I probably will get flamed for revealing D2, but I get the feeling the truth is what town needs (This isn't the Gry approved approach to hoe xD)
Raven was blocked N1, if she claimed detective, she would need to claim blocked/not-blocked.

They could be many reasons why the kill failed.
The worse would be poisoner, and 2 will be dead this night.

So up to you guys, wanna lynch Raven and get a clear picture of events
- She flips mafia, we know no recruitment happened and no poisoner is in the game.
- She flips town, we know we got played.

Or lynch another person and see where that leads? Up to you, what matters is that I don't want to lynch raven secretly, I think everybody profits from knowing where we stand this day phase.

Not worried about night kills, they are enough confirmed players and active roles left in the game to threaten mafia.

Interesting, so if Raven got blocked the other night then that would possibly be why there were no kills.

Mafia can only do one kill per night correct? Then it would check out.


For me most are in the gray zone.
Xad has some kind of pass only due to Day 1, but not quite.
Interestingly Shad revealed, but that also makes you a target for this night.

For Erin, I would like to have it confirmed tonight, through DD

Juviii, well she is still a mystery, she gets some bonus points for also going through Bels plays and double-checking.
Demon for me is still sussy. It reminds me of his playstyle in one of our previous games where he flipped mafia. But who knows.



Desin is a man of few words, a few talks of mechanic here, a few pro town posts. Nothing palpable.


If Raven dies and flips mafia, at least in a way it would further confirm Juvs, Xad and Shad.


Now onto the Bomb / Diffuser / Prostitue theory.

It goes like this - raven mentions she is bomb diffuser - Shad reveals that he blocked raven at night - raven throws bomb mafia role on shad.

Unfortunately, I can not see how Shad is automatically bomb.

For me it makes more sense that an action was blocked last night.
If Raven is a bomb diffuser, and there is a bomb between us, it could be any of the other player.
Tunneling Shad it not really helping. I see the entire discourse more as way of shifting the attention rather than coming up with other plausible theories.
It also explains why Shad vote was so direct, he took into account his action, while Raven is voting Shad back just as a contra measurement.



Now playing further with the posioner theory :

Hmmmm, now that you are throwing also the poisoner theory, the poisoner can either kill or infect someone, which lines up with DD sickly.
But on the other hand, Erin confirmed she is a "healthy townie " ( i hope I finally got it right Erin, ahahahha)

So either way, the mafia can not perform 2 actions per night.
So it might be that either Raven is mafia who got blocked, or DD is actually a poisoner.
Maybe we can have a read on DD if it is possible. Although, we want to test it out with Erin.
So we will let the DD debacle for the next day


But why would mafia play low, if one of their own got already lynched on Day1.
I do sense that they would have went at least for one of our heads.


Either way Shad, I am not truly happy with you revealing your role.
Does it help, in a way yes, are you making yourself a target, again yes.



I will place my holder on votekill Raven, for now.

 

[Shad]

I claimed active and I'm townie so I should be on the shooting list.

You agreed with this post right?

The Real Town
Erin should be safe for now.
Misha is MVP, I'm ready to be carried to victory!
Xad is good today as well, the case where it is a mafia throwing another mafia under the buss is extremely unlikely.
Juviii 'supported' the jinx lynch, it not likely she would throw a teammate under the bus, she could have agreed with switching to raven instead.
And of course in the supporting role Shad.

We can't kill today.
As long as DD uses sicky every night, we have no reason to lynch him, not if there is something better to lynch, plus we need him tonight to use it on erin and he can't be the killer.

Brandish? If we can agree on a lynch we should.

The pray!
Demonspeed, Belserion, Desin24. Raven

2 of are mafia, I'm open to voting any depending on how today discussion goes, but my current bet is on @Raven (I'm open to discussions when you join).

@votekill raven

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I just saw she has a penality vote, what is that for?

How can you feel like you could die at night if you know you are suspected, you weren't being lynched today and you weren't a kill target.
But I appreciate the info if you are honest, if you are faking it won't matter as a 1 to 1 trade is still worth it, worse case would be you being also town xD

Anyway need time to think but I'm sure we could figure something out tonight, you were already a likely block for me, so if you are really paranoid, you would be able to at least say if you got blocked or no, unless I'm the mafia prostitue but in that case I'm not killing and stuck trying to prove myself with my action?

Wierd but let see where this goes, it all has to do with how raven flips.

 

[desin24]

I am saying that same activity still they hinted.
Others on the other hand did not.

But yes, this is going nowhere for the moment.
Also Demon, i have re-read my post and oh god, those haphazardly words that were trying so hard to make a sentence, sorry my last two brain cells were on duty for that post. Ahahahahah sorry for making you read that.


One thing that keeps intriguing me is that I see no correlation between Raven internet problem and the message not being bolded.
Also if you know that your network is not reliable I think a note somewhere in either one of your posts would have assisted you with todays claim.



Interesting, so if Raven got blocked the other night then that would possibly be why there were no kills.

Mafia can only do one kill per night correct? Then it would check out.


For me most are in the gray zone.
Xad has some kind of pass only due to Day 1, but not quite.
Interestingly Shad revealed, but that also makes you a target for this night.

For Erin, I would like to have it confirmed tonight, through DD

Juviii, well she is still a mystery, she gets some bonus points for also going through Bels plays and double-checking.
Demon for me is still sussy. It reminds me of his playstyle in one of our previous games where he flipped mafia. But who knows.



Desin is a man of few words, a few talks of mechanic here, a few pro town posts. Nothing palpable.


If Raven dies and flips mafia, at least in a way it would further confirm Juvs, Xad and Shad.


Now onto the Bomb / Diffuser / Prostitue theory.

It goes like this - raven mentions she is bomb diffuser - Shad reveals that he blocked raven at night - raven throws bomb mafia role on shad.

Unfortunately, I can not see how Shad is automatically bomb.

For me it makes more sense that an action was blocked last night.
If Raven is a bomb diffuser, and there is a bomb between us, it could be any of the other player.
Tunneling Shad it not really helping. I see the entire discourse more as way of shifting the attention rather than coming up with other plausible theories.
It also explains why Shad vote was so direct, he took into account his action, while Raven is voting Shad back just as a contra measurement.



Now playing further with the posioner theory :

Hmmmm, now that you are throwing also the poisoner theory, the poisoner can either kill or infect someone, which lines up with DD sickly.
But on the other hand, Erin confirmed she is a "healthy townie " ( i hope I finally got it right Erin, ahahahha)

So either way, the mafia can not perform 2 actions per night.
So it might be that either Raven is mafia who got blocked, or DD is actually a poisoner.
Maybe we can have a read on DD if it is possible. Although, we want to test it out with Erin.
So we will let the DD debacle for the next day


But why would mafia play low, if one of their own got already lynched on Day1.
I do sense that they would have went at least for one of our heads.


Either way Shad, I am not truly happy with you revealing your role.
Does it help, in a way yes, are you making yourself a target, again yes.



I will place my holder on votekill Raven, for now.

About the two actions not sure if I understood you correctly:

Each individual mafia can use their role OR kill. So for example if you have a mafia whore, a poisoner and a mafia detective. The whore can block, detective can investigate and the poisoner can kill. A whore can not block AND kill at the same time. But as a team they can definitely send in multiple actions.

 

[Shad]

So it might be that either Raven is mafia who got blocked, or DD is actually a poisoner.

How is DD a poisoner if he used sicky, sicky isn't a bonuc action, he can't be the killer.

 

[Juviii]

Now this is interesting... If Desin is lying he is protecting Raven. If Shad is lying he is protecting Demon.

But both claims are common in game so if they are lying someone else might have those roles...

Both are low risk cause Desin can not be sane and Shad can be escort or have one. But there can be two spies but never two hoes... So in a way Shad claim is riskier...

 

[AwkwardMisha]

I read The Poisoner role once more, sorry I got the roles mixed up, i thought they had the same effect

Never had a poisoner in any of my games so i thought that when they poison it looks like a sickly townies action

 

[Raven]

I remembered why i stopped playing this game. Foolish townies al lover.

Well thats it for me. Do not cry when i flip green.

 

[Juviii]

There's also the chance both are legit and Desin is just not sane...

 

[AwkwardMisha]

How is DD a poisoner if he used sicky, sicky isn't a bonuc action, he can't be the killer.

I misinterpreted the roles

 

[Raven]

all over*

 

[AwkwardMisha]

About the two actions not sure if I understood you correctly:

Each individual mafia can use their role OR kill. So for example if you have a mafia whore, a poisoner and a mafia detective. The whore can block, detective can investigate and the poisoner can kill. A whore can not block AND kill at the same time. But as a team they can definitely send in multiple actions.

yup. but they only have one kill per team right

 

[desin24]

You agreed with this post right?




How can you feel like you could die at night if you know you are suspected, you weren't being lynched today and you weren't a kill target.
But I appreciate the info if you are honest, if you are faking it won't matter as a 1 to 1 trade is still worth it, worse case would be you being also town xD

Anyway need time to think but I'm sure we could figure something out tonight, you were already a likely block for me, so if you are really paranoid, you would be able to at least say if you got blocked or no, unless I'm the mafia prostitue but in that case I'm not killing and stuck trying to prove myself with my action?

Wierd but let see where this goes, it all has to do with how raven flips.

How am I not a kill target though? every single townie is a kill target lmao. Some higher probabilities than others but every townie must consider their potential death.

You blocking me would not prove anything as the other mafia member can still kill and you can be mafia prostitute. Since no other whore has claimed so far I am inclined to believe your claim. Gotta check the interactions if I would get a result as an insane spy being blocked.

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yup. but they only have one kill per team right

Yes, one kill but multiple actions if the roles allow them those actions.

 

[Shad]

I remembered why i stopped playing this game. Foolish townies al lover.

Well thats it for me. Do not cry when i flip green.

Not gonna cry, I would have changed my vote of you if you were trying.

@desin24 You could target somebody else and confirm if you are paranoid, pick a person you would trust to be town and you would trust their target claim (based on D1 and D2 lynch results)

While I won't say if I targetted you or no, and let you claim first, if you get it right, you are confirmed and we know you are paranoid so it help me as well.

You blocking me would not prove anything as the other mafia member can still kill and you can be mafia prostitute. Since no other whore has claimed so far I am inclined to believe your claim. Gotta check the interactions if I would get a result as an insane spy being blocked.

I mentioned the case of escort in my previous post, and explained what that would mean.

 

[AwkwardMisha]

Yes, one kill but multiple actions if the roles allow them those actions.

Yeah, that's what I was implying.
Sorry, I still don't have the proper MG vocab, so I keep confusing people
Getting there

 

[Shad]

How about you think of a night plan and suggest it @desin24

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How about you think of a night plan and suggest it @desin24

Maybe target me again is the best plan, the only way mafia can screw with it is by blocking you, which is ok waste of escort.
You should get a random result that hopefully isn't the person that just died or juvii again.

 

[AwkwardMisha]

How about you think of a night plan and suggest it @desin24

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Maybe target me again is the best plan, the only way mafia can screw with it is by blocking you, which is ok waste of escort.
You should get a random result that hopefully isn't the person that just died or juvii again.

Hmmm, so now mafia has to choose to either block you or Desin.
Or maybe even kill one of you two.

Is a spy more important than a blocker?
More so if the spy seems to be insane

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For what I fear is that shad would be a more viable target tonight

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More so if Raven flips Mafia

 

[Shad]

Hmmm, so now mafia has to choose to either block you or Desin.
Or maybe even kill one of you two.

Is a spy more important than a blocker?
More so if the spy seems to be insane

Both are the best roles, spy is useful even when paraoid, I can simply block him and see what he claims next, plus the moment there is only 1 mafia left, he will be blocked forever.

So basically mafia will kill me if they think I will block the right person, if they think I'm way off with my theories then they will let me be in the hope of blocking another town, giving mafia 2 escort usage for this night.

As I can't self confirm and didn't lynch a mafia D1, I don't mind being confirmed by death.

~
@desin24 what are you up to brother xD
Did your team fail a kill on juvii? Did you poison juvii? Did you block juvii and want her to think it me?