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First of all, thank you everyone for joining, hope you had fun!

The... blowout we got doesn't leave a LOT to analyse, but I think a lot of what was experimented here was positive. Won't quote much (if at all) because otherwise this post will be never-ending and I kinda wanna get it done already lol.

I wanted a straight up town vs mafia fight, and this way emphasise the nature of the game in a more controlled environment. Everyone had an active role to match the mechanic, but at the same time most were duds to both give highlight to day discussions and make town weaker since all the mechanics were in their favour. This did NOT play like I intended, at all.

-Originally, it was a 5 vs 12 game with 5 weak mafias, but when it became a 16 people game and stuff had to go. Among the different changes and buffs, mafia "lost" their boss and gained a detective to learn the board faster, only for that player to be investigated n2 by a sane detective with different results.........

-4 detectives on the town side with a repeated bad sanity to keep everyone on their toes. Only one was legit.

-One prostitute and one sane doctor to complete the trifecta.

-A naive doctor paired with the hider as masons. Here I was hoping that the doctor would heal a player in the first nights and that the hider would hide on the same target, with potential for a 2x1 kill since the doctor was actually useless. Instead the hider was protected for some reason. I wanted to have them as sort of "best friends", while also keep them doubting in the off chance that one of them was a mafia mason or a lover. I did NOT remember that you PMed the mason party the roles of the entire party, which was way too much information for what I envisioned. Instead I just gave each other their own role, told them who was their partner, and informed them they had no recruiter. It was a middle ground that left me anxious since it did not follow the template at all, but in the end that hardly took a part in the game.

-Pyschiatrist as yet another weak role that would be out there looking for "something". I did not expect the masons to come out d1, so a big part of whatever I was hoping here didn't happen (especially since the game itself was incredibly short).

-Paranoid Spy mostly to add confusion, since everyone was active. I did not know its interaction with Spirit Medium.........

-Spirit Medium (Potato)... originally Freeman (Potato). Town could get an extra lynch and a ton of pressuring through the mechanic, so it was only fair to have a freeman. Having a single passive to confuse town would had been a positive, role wise. But, mechanically, this would have a player NOT going for interactions, which would be extremely odd and also against what I wanted to observe in the game. Instead, I settled with Spirit Medium that is rather inconsequential other than to make nights a bit clearer, maybe. Like I just said, the interaction it has with Paranoid Spy to confirm itself 100% flew over my head and I did not expect mafia to claim passive, so this role was overall a huge regret.
Potato would keep both roles busy in d1 if they wanted to pass it.

-Pirate... I had assumed would grab a dud. Instead they went for the kamikaze meta... needless to say, I heavily regret having this role in this game.

-Janitor was the heart and soul of the game and I fucked it up. I had said several times that investigator is overused, so I wanted it to have a fair chance on its own. It did not get it. Oh well, next time.

-Strongman so that mafia could confidently get rid of whoever they felt was a massive threat.

-Blocker because I wanted this party to be strong.

At one point I considered Mafia Pirate but since it was a party of just 4, with a mechanic that potentially removed killers, and it cannot kill after stealing (I hate this) I went against the idea.
The Mechanics: they were all there to increase engagement. We have a bit of an issue going on where people seem to be afraid of both being pressured and pressuring. The tools we have in our site do not help with this, either, so I think playstyles evolving into this is not unreasonable.

1. Forced first post being a vote: Since we don't have a bot that counts votes, we have a limit of 2 votes per phase. This means that every vote is extremely valuable, and voting for someone seemingly equals to wanting them out of the game. There's hardly any room for error and you cannot really pressure anyone unless the person you suspect has a couple of votes on their back...

... so with this mechanic everyone had 3 votes to play with, and those that screwed up got a penalty instead (which also increases votes and may lower spreads). It wasn't too hard to track since it was always on the first post of the day. Overall, I was satisfied with this mechanic, even if the snowball we saw made it mostly relevant in the first day only. Focusing on that first day: While this also meant that many took long to be part of discussions (since they couldn't post until they voted) there was plenty to discuss in what more often than not is a completely random lynch. Thanks to this mech and the sparrings, the voting wasn't awfully spread either, with 4~ options at EoD with 3 votes on them (in a 16 people game).

2. The Sparrings: used similar mechanics in Harry Potter (10% chance to kill) and Pokémon (extra vote, chance depending on Pokémon chosen, battles earned your "team" a kill). I liked this iteration the most (much more balanced, overall), except for the fact that in Pokémon there was the extra factor that allowed you to choose your mon (but that wouldn't be possible here since I wanted that 20%). With this mechanic we not only got extra votes, but also got to see who cooperated and who didn't. I did expect at least 1 extra lynch done this way, but Yajirobe was too good for you guys.

3. The interactions: while it was a bit of a bummer mechanic, it was really interesting to see how each of you faced it. It was never meant to be strict (I even gave you an example of a simple vote-vote-vote-spar-spar combo, while letting you know that I'd be lenient) and even then many did struggle with it. I think it not only made invisible people more... visible (oh the joy of Day 1 Holt) but it actually greatly helped to let me see patterns in how you guys play. It really evidenced who was actively looking for their enemies and who was either coasting or laying low. Overall, the thread got a healthy amount of posts and the bottom posters averaged more than they usually do, while the town leaders actually didn't write as much as they often do (or maybe didn't even have to, with all the pressuring tools they got).

Overall, while I liked the ideas and execution, having all of them together was too much of a bane for mafia and I should had either been less ambitious or focused more on making this game as smooth as possible for them (and even compensating them further in the role list, as with my freeman example). Town played really well and mafia had big fuck ups but the regret remains. This does prove however how much info a little push can get you, even on the early stages of the game.

Which takes us to the individual performances...
@AnimePigeon our newcomer. It was a delight to have you around, you are very eloquent and clearly do have plenty of experience in games like this one. However, the meta did affect you and, most importantly, this:
Farfalla 4th Det Claim yet more trusts than any claim before them when I'm almost certain, they likely fabricated there Innocent/Guilty's already knowing before hand who is Evil & who must be Good - by being an Evil.

I could be wrong ofcourse, but no one else is pushing this direction.

Will be interesting to see Panda flip to confirm what's going on.

But I don't think we should be having Panda flip.

I hate herd mentalities.
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I'm not sabotaging. It's as simple as we have differing results and you have just killed James.

You're very quick to jump onto the defensive which I find rather strange. I already confirmed yesterday I was targeting DD.

it just so happens you leading a charge on Panda & James dying for me makes you look a hella lot more sus.
You need to remember that, at the end of the day, this is a team game. By rejecting the extremely likely scenario that pretty much everyone was agreeing on, you were becoming an enemy of town. At that point it wasn't "not following the herd", but rather being a contrarian pretty much for the sake of it (and your untrustworthy results). What was there to earn by sparring with Farfalla there, other than making town frustrated? She was pretty much impossible to lynch that day. Could had even spar-killed the town's candidate, then introduced your own after it.

Your night targets seemed to be whoever you suspected the most which is straightforward enough.

-Asako: you overall had a good game, but I felt that in a lot of your posts you brought up good points but then felt short by not explaining them properly. For example, bringing up evidence that supported your Day 1 read on Kakoha comparing his play-style to last game's. It would had gotten the point across much better and left "hints" for comparisons in the future, too. Or another player could had read your comparison and done their own observations. Showing vs telling.

Sticking to healing Farfalla was lame but ultimately the best choice so... props there. I was surprised you didn't protect Holt N2 after bringing up in the middle of the thread that he was the prostitute. Speaking of, why even berate James in the middle of the thread? Mafias do miss posts, and the one townie that needed to have this information was you, the doctor. You can wait until the post-game to dunk on James, you ended up doing the same thing he did. In a game where every bit of information matters, asking yourself "why am I posting this?" is sometimes a positive.

-Brandish: short lived but did give us enough to ponder. You seemingly struggled with the mechanic, as you were one of the few that almost got their role paralysed. You were also rather close to being lynched, with 5 different people placing votes on you and only one of them not being town. Did time-zones get in your way? (I noticed you were mostly active at the start and end of the day).

Or did your masonry with Erin make you too confident on your safety, which eventually led you to spill the beans? Pretty much all your d1 energy went to talking about d1 randomness, interaction baiting and then defending yourself from that suspicious behaviour at EoD.

Healing Erin made very little sense and I do not remember if there was any deep reasoning behind it. I did screw whatever discussion you 2 could had had because I cannot Discord to save my life, sorry.

-DD: much like Brandish, struggled with the mechanic, and was carried by votes and spars to keep his role. You were active enough but would simply not engage in discussions, and town heavily suspected you because of this (even without my list!). You had the most "is this person really interacting, wanting to find scum?" posts of all players. This does keep you unpredictable if people compare behaviours of town dd vs mafia dd, but needless to say everyone knows you can 100% do better. Absolutely no need to claim with a single result either, lol.

-Desin: WHY DID YOU CLAIM PASSIVE WHEN YOU WERE CLEARLY FARMING INTERACTIONS AS A PLAYER THAT USUALLY POSTS LITTLE AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA. AND THEN YOU CLAIM JESUS INSTEAD OF PGO SO THAT TOWN FEELS EXTRA SAFE KILLING YOU AAAAAAAAAAAAAAA

@Erinyes : another player that had issues with the mechanic. Erin, the way you go back at night to check on everyone's posts clearly shows that you can easily do this during the day, too. I know you were busy, but once you had time to post your day 2 was pretty much limited to "no u" or belittling the efforts of town, while you were comically safe from being lynched anyway. I did not understand why you played your cards so close to your chest for so long in that day either since Brand had been janitored and only town was being affected by not knowing his role.

Like I wrote to Pigeon, this is a team game. If something is upsetting you, take a breather, and then approach the game with a clearer head and show everyone what you are made of. Also, like I wrote to Asako, "why am I posting this?" applies here too. What was there to earn by throwing mud at town?

Sure, showing indignation and maybe some self-righteousness is usually read as green, but if it's not then it's just increasing the tension of a game that can get needlessly heated up.

Try to work on your pacing even if it means taking longer to catch up. Pretty much no one will vote you for "delaying" your views, fight that anxiety lol.

-Farfalla had a great game. Never lazy, really good targeting and analyses, and pressured people plenty even if the mechanics themselves did some work for her. Great call to go for wojak n2 who I felt was very suspected by everyone but "not enough" to use an action on (on top of that I imagine his voting may have painted him as an enemy party of James', who you targeted n1). I do wonder if you would had still gone with Panda if not for finding that post that alerted you, and if not then who and why. All the mechanics fit her except for the fact that she was evidently tense whenever the extra lynch wasn't achieved. Holding bad plays accountable while still remaining positive despite the spilled milk (which could easily end up clouding your views in other games) is the way to go. Gladly, you still had a cool head during the nights, so this is rather nit-picky.

-GB signed up to play.

Needless to say, everyone should had tried harder to save him (himself included). It's better to look suspicious than to lose a member AND look sus anyway (especially since they entered the night outnumbered 12 to 3).

-GrySun also did well. I really appreciated his D1 since he very evidently understood all the subjects and tasks I had for the game. Had an interesting back and forth with Holt in D1. Should work on de-escalating though since telling Holt he was "hurting his own reputation" accomplished nothing other than riling up the person he's discussing with.

Took a backseat once Farfalla became the clear town leader and was mostly supporting her plays (which, as he said, may not be as fun but things were going smoothly and having a ton of posts doesn't really help much either).

aaaaaaaaaaaaa that spirit medium - paranoid spy interaction.

Revealing spy helped the snowball grow bigger and was a good call, regardless of mafia detectiveing you or not (...that only made it better).

-"Oh the joy of D1 @Holt ". Cemented town as a threat from the get-go with very good and genuine interactions. Tried to remain calm despite his big whoopsie voting Brandish (interaction that clearly ended up on a positive note imo for uninvolved "bystanders"), except for the fact that he tunneled a bit on Gry for pointing out something... very fair, and this vote remained there for the rest of d1. From the host's eyes, I thought Gry's train of thought here was pretty clear, so I'm not sure if I'm missing something.

This also led him to think GrySun had a bit of a vendetta against him which was kinda funny.

Very clearly went back several times to check on the interactions other players had in order to understand each participant's train of thought better and then pressure accordingly if something felt off. I do not know if the mechanics incentivised him in a significant matter or if this is 100% on his own volition after walking into a mafia W last game, but it was really nice all around anyway.

Thirdly you’re being way too standoff-ish unnecessarily. Even with this response, where I’m pointing how somethings you are saying feel off, and you’re retorting by saying to lynch you then. Plus snide remarks about last game or providing info for no reason. Everything you or anyone else says is a claim until proven. Naturally it is up to be debated or how else is the game supposed to be played?
Positive post that I just found looking back and pretty much tells Erin something similar to what I told her... as a host in the post-game.

-James had a weird relationship both with the game and the mechanics. I think that, in principle, he was fine with both but then at some points he may have forced himself a bit too much which didn't come natural at all. He even admitted himself he struggles keeping focus when town and, after a back and forth in d2, "threw the towel" and left the thread. If he had eventually returned with a cool head I think this would had actually been positive, staying out of the thread is not necessarily a mafia move and he could had reorganised his trains of thought in the process.

...but this all became irrelevant because of Farf's results on him and wojak. I was actually looking forward to see how that would had developed.

It was asked before but why even make evident that you suspected Holt was the prostitute? He blocked you, naturally he'd pay extra attention to you the following day and whatever you had written (in a general manner) surely got the point across before you even said that.

EDIT 2: I skipped Kakoha LOL

He didn't get to do much, played a rather simple game and most of his posts are from when he had already decided to kill himself in order to win. I hate you.

Suspecting Farf but absolutely townreading Gry was very odd, tbh. Did that one hint you pointed out bug you that much? Surely you didn't really think she was hinting she had an anti-town role?

-Marm, the final townie in this list that almost lost her role. She was sick d1 but luckily among her 5 posts she had a combo interaction post where she talked to 3 different people. Between her sickness and the fact that the game was a bit on auto pilot with Farf detectiving scums + Gry confirming her, it was never really necessary for her to step up big time.

Was the first person to trust Pigeon afaik and was good at bringing up the newcomer into discussions in what otherwise could had felt like an uninviting surrounding.

@Copy Panda tried really hard and fought bravely despite the fact that it was an uphill battle from very early on. Reading his posts was really interesting since he was bringing up points about a lot of different players, but hardly ever in a direct way, usually avoiding conflict. This led to some situations where he was talking to both everyone and no one, and when pushed aback he conceded really fast (from the top of my head, the Holt interaction in d2). Also, funnily enough, he wasn't even getting interaction points from those posts.

Town panda is much more assertive even if he's in omo mode (omode). His cold furry feet when sparring were only the nail in the coffin.

Edit: I FUCKED UP WHEN I DID THE SWITCH FOR THE N2 KILL. I KILLED HOLT ASAP AND FORGOT TO JANITOR AAAAAAAAA. This removed a good claim for you (although I wonder if people would had suspected you even more for it, since Holt being prostitute was... evident). I expected you to consider claiming investigator (only for someone to say I hate that role), but that didn't happen.

-I was liking @Seraph 's day 1, I think the mechanics may have given him plenty of reasons to be confident putting his thoughts out there, even if it didn't 100% match the leaders'. He unfortunately went afk though and this isolated posting ended up looking unnatural because of the mechanic.

I think you need to work on how your organise your thoughts in your posts, tbh. This is not an issue with your English nor anything like that, but the structure of what you write instead. This actually ends up giving the impression that you are either writing a lot but saying little or flip flopping, even when you are giving your most earnest thoughts.

For starters, being more concise should also do wonders, you are trying to send a message and walls of text do not help anyone. This would be hypocritical of me rn if I actually was expecting you all to read everything, but I know most won't and simply scrolled to their names (and that's kind of the point). Meanwhile, as a player, you are trying to get your entire points across to several different people with different agendas, different availability and coming from different parts of the world.

-wojak also tried hard but was overwhelmed in his welcome to the world of reds. You had this extremely funny interaction with Panda, who was your teammate grasping at straws to make a silly point: he brought up that you barely said "chud". This ended up with you overcompensating like a guy with a micropenis buying a monster truck, and from then on every other post of yours had "chud" in it. Something similar happened when you left a hint later on

didn't want to say more this early but.....how about active?
Why are you phrasing it like a question?! lol

I think this perfectly defines how you approached this game: with a lot of insecurity, which ended up removing any sort of genuineness you tried to convey in your posts. In the last game you were dead set on lynching me and that helped you focus on a target and a wincon, you should go back to that sort of mentality in your next game.

This took like 3 days to write, Tl;dr.

Feel free to question or dispute anything.
 
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You not only figured out I'm scum but also figured out what scum role I have? i.e. Janitor
It’s not that hard of a deduction. In a perfect world with 2 remaining mafia one is Janitor and the other isn‘t. James cant be it due to N1 kill, and so he can only be the non Janitor mafia. You could‘ve lied about your block unlike James, and Pigeon who I also suspect of being mafia is directly contesting you for the block-spot.
 

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If wojak is not the Janitor it gets complicated:
1. can‘t be Erin
2. can‘t be Marm
3. can‘t be Farf
4. possibly DD
5. possibly Panda
6. possibly Seraph
7. possibly Asako
8. can‘t be Pigeon(unless he lied about the block)
9. can‘t be James
10. possibly me in the eyes of haters
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Maybe it‘s time to can the laziness DD. Explain, why you prefer James, why you anti-Farfalla?
Det isn‘t a need-thing, probably just more active roles to force people to contribute. But in my theory that James is town it doesn’t matter, so you tell me what role James has since it can‘t be Janitor.
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Like I‘m entertaining the randomness since you built your brand on it but are you sure you don‘t want to argue your thoughtprocess? It‘s kinda the main fun of playing no?
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The sad reality is that we may not be able to kill anyone without significant luck due to this splitting.
The mafia is in those two I believe, also I killed two mafia so far.
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It's possible in the event of 3 detectives I could be paranoid
 

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Same for DD btw, there was zero need for DD to kill GB on day 1 with his votelock near the end of the day if the two are on the same team. So he is more trustworthy than me or wojak for that matter.
 

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do you die before or after me.
I am fine with this arrangement. And I did say I expect Farfalla to be insane det. Because I really do not think she is scum. But I am not 100% sure of it.
Which part of it is hard to understand?
 

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SPAR WITH JAMES
SPAR WITH FARFALLLA

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why would they need mafia detective with janitor?
Dude, i get why you spar with me but why Farfalla of all people with two different det results? Like what?
Are you lover trying to save your Mafia lover or why are you doing this?
 

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The mafia is in those two I believe, also I killed two mafia so far.
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It's possible in the event of 3 detectives I could be paranoid
I believe even if Farf is mafia she wouldn‘t include a teammate(James) in the list. Such a stalling strat works best if every choice we can make is wrong.
 

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It’s not that hard of a deduction. In a perfect world with 2 remaining mafia one is Janitor and the other isn‘t. James cant be it due to N1 kill, and so he can only be the non Janitor mafia. You could‘ve lied about your block unlike James, and Pigeon who I also suspect of being mafia is directly contesting you for the block-spot.
It seems I will have to die to surprise you
 

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Having said that, i'm going to bed as well. Will return to question some folks and their results later.



You have to be sane given the situation? Yeah no. You could be insane too, or well not a Detective in the first place for all we know.

There's 4 other people with your same role claim out and about, and you didn't feel bothered by that at all?



With you i'm fine, it's the others i feel most conflicted about.

@Marmalade What were you doing tonight?

@GrySun @Copy Panda Thoughts on the Det. overload we're having here?

@James Rye What about you?

@digitaldude targets and results, please.

@Asako @Erinyes share your insights as well, possible targets or results too while you're at it.


The mechanic says to bold a Sparring Challenge, yes, but it also says to challenge someone to spar during a "Sparring Session" there is no Session ongoing right now. You can check the Start of the Day post where there are 2 Timers telling you when the Sessions will begin.
It's only your perspective (and maybe others) that I am not fussed about the other Det Claims.

I fully understand that there are too many claims realistically for them to be all real - additionally what does me claiming Det sooner do other than paint a bigger NK Target on my back.

@Seraph I'm sure you understand as well, that regardless of however many claimants there are, you don't always blindly trust the first two that don't contradict one another.

Mafia soseem to have gone with what I wanted them to following the Self-Vote thing, which is leave me be and vote me out when able.

I simply chose my targets, so that I wouldn't get involved with the he said she said on the notes Claimed Dets Targets.
 

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It seems I will have to die to surprise you
It‘s kinda whatever for me. We can afford getting rid of both you and James, but splitting our duels benefits mafia only but DD likes doing that so wcyd
 

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Having said that, i'm going to bed as well. Will return to question some folks and their results later.



You have to be sane given the situation? Yeah no. You could be insane too, or well not a Detective in the first place for all we know.

There's 4 other people with your same role claim out and about, and you didn't feel bothered by that at all?



With you i'm fine, it's the others i feel most conflicted about.

@Marmalade What were you doing tonight?

@GrySun @Copy Panda Thoughts on the Det. overload we're having here?

@James Rye What about you?

@digitaldude targets and results, please.

@Asako @Erinyes share your insights as well, possible targets or results too while you're at it.


The mechanic says to bold a Sparring Challenge, yes, but it also says to challenge someone to spar during a "Sparring Session" there is no Session ongoing right now. You can check the Start of the Day post where there are 2 Timers telling you when the Sessions will begin.
Thanks for further explaining this.

I understand this, I was simply doing as i was requested too.
 

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DD you can still change your mind on your spar targets. Por favor lets actually be efficient for once unlike how you wasted our lynch yesterday. I don‘t wanna waste 2 days worth of lynches on this
 

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Is this some slip of the tongue or what? Why do you call Holt a blocker?
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Explain your hints of earlier days, why does this role make your usual playstyle harder to play?
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Why not the much simpler explanation that wojak is lying? I‘m surprised you assume all the stars aligning for him to be town under each constellation.
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He can say it in advance it is perfectly fine
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That‘s wrong, either deliberate lie or still a misunderstanding despite my detailed explanation.
People found it sus you only sparred with desin once and not twice. You could just write an x2 next to your „spar desin“ post, in the same session.

Do you not agree that mafia had it in their best interest to avoid throwing the dice too often to keep desin alive to tank the lynch?
Hey GrySun, I actually disagree in this instance. Most Mafia, in that situation would just Spar Twice, because it's only a 20% Success Rate.

I was Mafia on a KRC Game (Role Creating Game) on the StarCraft 2 Forums last year, and they had ITA's which were similar to Sparring, and we would almost initiate or go with the crowd for additional cred. So it's not always as simply as wanting to keep a Evil alive, sometimes Mafia will roll the dice as the dice are stacked in there favour probability wise.
 

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I am fine with this arrangement. And I did say I expect Farfalla to be insane det. Because I really do not think she is scum. But I am not 100% sure of it.
Which part of it is hard to understand?
Exactly that, you expect Farfalla to be insane. I know she is sane because of my own role and I'm happy about her findings because it means even if I do die before you, you gonna die for sure next day thanks to her results on me and you. I know she is sane because of my own role and because Farfalla would never sentence her Mafia Escort buddy to die, except if there is no way to save said Escort and that Escort was mad savable with how close the votes were. Plus with two Mafia buddies dead Farfalla would not come out as a det with two different det results because if both turned out townie then townie would lynch Farfalla before she could say "oops". With 5 dets outta there and only one having two different results in two nights, which btw is mega lucky especially since two Mafias were gone with day 1 and 2 lynchings, it is like a confirmation that Farfalla is townie and thus also a det who is either insane or sane.
And in this case she is clearly sane which everyone will see once you or me died.

So yeah, that's hard for me to understand. How you are not 100% sure yet with all the evidence pointing at Farfalla being townie and trying to use her findings to stay alive. If you were townie det you should be elated and do everything you can to get me killed, as in convincing others to vote or spar me not just doing so yourself, to prove yourself instead you seem to trust no det who came forward which is just weird. Like Gry said due the game mechanics there is a good chance of naive and/or paranoid det added to the mix so distrusting nearly all dets is just the wrong play here.

Thing is you know what my alignment is so the moment I die your fate is sealed so you lost motivation which is why your posts are lacking the bite it needs to feel convincing to be an actual townie det dead set on winning for town.
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Also the 5th sparring session should be up soon, timer just went past 0.
 

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THE FIFTH SPARRING SESSION HAS NOW STARTED!​
 

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I spar wojak.
 

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Spar with wojak x2
 

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Exactly that, you expect Farfalla to be insane. I know she is sane because of my own role and I'm happy about her findings because it means even if I do die before you, you gonna die for sure next day thanks to her results on me and you.
I am fine with this too. both of us cannot survive. and between us there is a scum.
 

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Hey GrySun, I actually disagree in this instance. Most Mafia, in that situation would just Spar Twice, because it's only a 20% Success Rate.

I was Mafia on a KRC Game (Role Creating Game) on the StarCraft 2 Forums last year, and they had ITA's which were similar to Sparring, and we would almost initiate or go with the crowd for additional cred. So it's not always as simply as wanting to keep a Evil alive, sometimes Mafia will roll the dice as the dice are stacked in there favour probability wise.
Disagree. Low chances are that much more reliant on # of attempts due to high variance.
1 less dice roll is 1 less dice roll. You can look like you participate with only doing it once while improving your chances.

What was even your official reason for not sparring desin twice? If ignorance then that just goes hand in hand with my assessment.
 

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Do we have to post again or the previous one works?
If you don't post again I'll only do those at the end of the session.
 
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