Predictions Imu Didn't Defeat Joyboy By Himself

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Imu Didn't Defeat Joyboy By Himself
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I think it may be unreasonable to believe that Imu defeated Joyboy by himself. I've seen similar stories like this and when an advanced civilization is beaten by other ones it's usually a case of several groups trying to steal technology from them. The story itself has said that if advanced technology is used by the wrong people then what can be used for good things can also be used for bad things and this is precisely why.

The advanced civilization likely kept its technology from other people because they considered other people to be too underdeveloped to use the power for good purposes. Instead, they believed they would use it do things like wage war.

Finally, Imu likely didn't fight Joyboy by himself (if he was even involved at all in the fight). Joyboy was defeated, but I doubt it was at the hands of any single person. It was a group of them.

Note: I am already aware that the Great Alliance fought against the Ancient Kingdom and that's who overthrew Joyboy. What I'm suggesting here is that it didn't come down to a 1v1. Instead, Joyboy got attacked by several strong individuals at the same time.
 
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Welp, the past conflict was a conflict between many nations... And the most likely scenario is that the gorosei are former conqueror kings who fought alongside imu. So odds are that sure, imu didn't win alone but nika wasn't defeated alone either (in the grand scheme of things. It's feasible the final conflict in the war was nika with all of his comrades dead fighting a lost battle though).
 

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Why the Ancient Kingdom was Attacked
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I would like to provide excellent reasoning for you to determine why the Ancient Kingdom was attacked. I have ABSOLUTE CERTAINTY that I completely comprehend what occurred during this event in terms of the ideologies involved between the Ancient Kingdom and the Great Alliance. It is actually very simple and it could not be any other reason. Quite simply, the Ancient Kingdom was an advanced civilization and it did not want to give its technology to a bunch of idiots who would use it for evil. Their ideology involved non-interference with underdeveloped civilizations, scientific exploration of the unknown parts of the world, and promoting diversity through diplomatic relations.

Moral Issues with Giving Away Technology
Example 1
- A foreign country asks the Ancient Kingdom to give them superior technology to help cure rare diseases to save their people. (good)
- The foreign country LIED and creates rare diseases to give to their enemies. (evil)

Example 2
- A foreign country asks the Ancient Kingdom to give them superior technology to help create advanced defense systems to save their people. (good)
- The foreign country LIED and creates advanced offense systems instead to use on their enemies. (evil)

The War of Ideologies
- The Great Alliance represents a group of foreign countries who at one time had asked the Ancient Kingdom to give them superior technology for various reasons. However, the Ancient Kingdom had refused to give them any of their technology and the group of foreign countries decided to temporarily join together to steal it instead.

The Ancient Kingdom is Morally Questionable but Not Evil
- I believe that the Ancient Kingdom may be morally questionable, but not evil. What the Ancient Kingdom represents is mankind experimenting with its own evolution. That is to say, some people would say that they were playing "God." This is the crux of the matter. The Great Alliance had considered the Ancient Kingdom to be evil based on the "magic" that they created through new forms of science. However, that is not the reason why they attacked them. It was solely because they wanted to steal their technology. This may be where the origins of the "Devil" connotations throughout the story had come from. For example, Enel had stated that in the ancient past what people could not explain could only be called an act of God. This illustrates how advanced technology can seem magical to a person who does not understand it. It is based on the following rule in science fiction writing, and as a result the Gods of the past, who were really just masters of science, could have been labelled as Devils thereafter.

"Any sufficiently advanced technology is indistinguishable from magic." -Arthur C. Clarke.


The Ancient Kingdom Has a Non-Interference Directive
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In Star Trek, there is a thing known as the non-interference directive (otherwise known as the Prime Directive).
- In the fictional universe of Star Trek, the Prime Directive (also known as "Starfleet General Order 1", and the "non-interference directive") is a guiding principle of Starfleet that prohibits its members from interfering with the natural development of alien civilizations. Its stated aim is to protect unprepared civilizations from the danger of starship crews introducing advanced technology, knowledge, and values before they are ready. Since its introduction in the first season of the original Star Trek series, the directive has featured in many Star Trek episodes as part of a moral question over how best to establish diplomatic relations with new alien worlds.

The Ancient Kingdom has a similar "non-interference directive". However, where Starfleet prohibits its members from interfering with the natural development of alien civilizations, the Ancient Kingdom prohibits its members from interfering with the natural development of foreign countries. They both refuse to give people advanced technology for the same reason - if they gave someone technology that they were unprepared to use then they might use it foolishly destroying their own civilization or other civilizations. It could create an imbalance in the powers of the world and cause a shift in the direction natural development is taking. In other words, they feel like they are interfering with the natural order of the universe if they do it. By giving unprepared civilizations superior technology, they are violating their own laws.


The Iconian Civilization Also Has a Non-Interference Directive
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In Star Trek, a single other civilization represented the ideals of the Starfleet Federation, so they also had a non-interference directive. However, for these people, the non-interference directive is what ultimately caused their destruction. A group of other civilizations made a temporary coalition to attack them. They made an orbital bombardment from space and staged an attack on the Iconian home-world to steal their technology because they had previously refused to give it to them. However, they also left an ancient treasure behind among their ruins called a World Heart. It contained all knowledge about their civilization including their culture, philosophy, and technology. By using this ancient artifact, they were able to recreate their advanced civilization after it was destroyed.

Ultimately, the World Heart must be similar to the One Piece itself. It will allow the Ancient Kingdom to be recreated. However, that is a topic for another post, so I will leave that alone for now. The important part is how the Iconian civilization was destroyed! It was destroyed by a group of other civilizations that had made a temporary coalition to attack them. This is the same thing that had happened to the Ancient Kingdom and for the very same reason. The reason was that the group of other civilizations had believed the Ancient Kingdom was wrong to withhold its technology from them and decided to steal it by any means necessary. Therefore, the non-interference directive is the cause of the War of Ideologies.
 
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This didn't contain a spoiler. I just guessed right. It was already known the Ancient Kingdom had been beaten by the Great Alliance. I just suggested Joyboy fight a single guy during the event.
 

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Why the Ancient Kingdom was Attacked
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I would like to provide excellent reasoning for you to determine why the Ancient Kingdom was attacked. I have ABSOLUTE CERTAINTY that I completely comprehend what occurred during this event in terms of the ideologies involved between the Ancient Kingdom and the Great Alliance. It is actually very simple and it could not be any other reason. Quite simply, the Ancient Kingdom was an advanced civilization and it did not want to give its technology to a bunch of idiots who would use it for evil. Their ideology involved non-interference with underdeveloped civilizations, scientific exploration of the unknown parts of the world, and promoting diversity through diplomatic relations.

Moral Issues with Giving Away Technology
Example 1
- A foreign country asks the Ancient Kingdom to give them superior technology to help cure rare diseases to save their people. (good)
- The foreign country LIED and creates rare diseases to give to their enemies. (evil)

Example 2
- A foreign country asks the Ancient Kingdom to give them superior technology to help create advanced defense systems to save their people. (good)
- The foreign country LIED and creates advanced offense systems instead to use on their enemies. (evil)

The War of Ideologies
- The Great Alliance represents a group of foreign countries who at one time had asked the Ancient Kingdom to give them superior technology for various reasons. However, the Ancient Kingdom had refused to give them any of their technology and the group of foreign countries decided to temporarily join together to steal it instead.

The Ancient Kingdom is Morally Questionable but Not Evil
- I believe that the Ancient Kingdom may be morally questionable, but not evil. What the Ancient Kingdom represents is mankind experimenting with its own evolution. That is to say, some people would say that they were playing "God." This is the crux of the matter. The Great Alliance had considered the Ancient Kingdom to be evil based on the "magic" that they created through new forms of science. However, that is not the reason why they attacked them. It was solely because they wanted to steal their technology. This may be where the origins of the "Devil" connotations throughout the story had come from. For example, Enel had stated that in the ancient past what people could not explain could only be called an act of God. This illustrates how advanced technology can seem magical to a person who does not understand it. It is based on the following rule in science fiction writing, and as a result the Gods of the past, who were really just masters of science, could have been labelled as Devils thereafter.

"Any sufficiently advanced technology is indistinguishable from magic." -Arthur C. Clarke.


The Ancient Kingdom Has a Non-Interference Directive
​
In Star Trek, there is a thing known as the non-interference directive (otherwise known as the Prime Directive).
- In the fictional universe of Star Trek, the Prime Directive (also known as "Starfleet General Order 1", and the "non-interference directive") is a guiding principle of Starfleet that prohibits its members from interfering with the natural development of alien civilizations. Its stated aim is to protect unprepared civilizations from the danger of starship crews introducing advanced technology, knowledge, and values before they are ready. Since its introduction in the first season of the original Star Trek series, the directive has featured in many Star Trek episodes as part of a moral question over how best to establish diplomatic relations with new alien worlds.

The Ancient Kingdom has a similar "non-interference directive". However, where Starfleet prohibits its members from interfering with the natural development of alien civilizations, the Ancient Kingdom prohibits its members from interfering with the natural development of foreign countries. They both refuse to give people advanced technology for the same reason - if they gave someone technology that they were unprepared to use then they might use it foolishly destroying their own civilization or other civilizations. It could create an imbalance in the powers of the world and cause a shift in the direction natural development is taking. In other words, they feel like they are interfering with the natural order of the universe if they do it. By giving unprepared civilizations superior technology, they are violating their own laws.


The Iconian Civilization Also Has a Non-Interference Directive
​
In Star Trek, a single other civilization represented the ideals of the Starfleet Federation, so they also had a non-interference directive. However, for these people, the non-interference directive is what ultimately caused their destruction. A group of other civilizations made a temporary coalition to attack them. They made an orbital bombardment from space and staged an attack on the Iconian home-world to steal their technology because they had previously refused to give it to them. However, they also left an ancient treasure behind among their ruins called a World Heart. It contained all knowledge about their civilization including their culture, philosophy, and technology. By using this ancient artifact, they were able to recreate their advanced civilization after it was destroyed.

Ultimately, the World Heart must be similar to the One Piece itself. It will allow the Ancient Kingdom to be recreated. However, that is a topic for another post, so I will leave that alone for now. The important part is how the Iconian civilization was destroyed! It was destroyed by a group of other civilizations that had made a temporary coalition to attack them. This is the same thing that had happened to the Ancient Kingdom and for the very same reason. The reason was that the group of other civilizations had believed the Ancient Kingdom was wrong to withhold its technology from them and decided to steal it by any means necessary. Therefore, the non-interference directive is the cause of the War of Ideologies.
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I think Blackbeard's ancestor helped Imu defeat Joyboy
 
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