Fantasy Natsu vs White Out PoF Erza

[Darklord#10]

Interesting that you continue to target me when I stopped speaking with you since long time. But yes, keep going.....

I'm not lol I'm just saying you don't believe it right. It's a question

 

[Axiomus]

If Mashima wrote Natsu vs Erza fighting seriously, Natsu wouldn't even resort to Dragon Force. That's reserved for god tier final bosses.

 

[Darklord#10]

DF natsu literally one shots

 

[Mimi0207]

Natsu one shot he is not a weakling like Irene, even without Dragon Force he is stronger than Erza.

 

[srtenebroso]

DF natsu one shots

 

[sree]

DF natsu any day. He is too much for Erza in any form whiteout with POF or not.

 

[Darklord#10]

@MyaHeart35 when this Arc is over I'm coming for your stupid ass, you're going to take back everything you said about natsu that's for sure. We must settle this

 

[Darklord#10]

Because he has characters in the series say they are equal and was genuinely surprised when people thought otherwise. To me WOG is greater than everything. The entirety of most of the discussion here is just using elements in the story to try and tell what the author intention is. But those interpretations can be dead wrong. That's why when you have direct statements from the man himself telling you the intention, That's what should be prioritized. I don't fully say Kirin is the strongest for the same reason I don't take Ignia at his word when he says he can casually beat Acnologia. Self hype is the most worthless kind of statements imo as it's mostly ego talking. What I do believe is that Kirin is a contender for strongest and he could be slightly stronger than the other ddsk given his seniority and respect Misaki gives him. But not to a significant degree since all the ddsk were introduced as being as strong as Suzaku.

Depends on how much POE they can access. Natsu's DF alone wasn't enough during that fight against Zero and was quickly overwhelmed after the initial power up. It was only in combination with max FOE that he won. If Gray and Erza were similarly given a temporary power up and then used POE to the max, then yeah they could have beat Zero.

But there is no contradiction. Lack of action doesn't = anti feats. Let's look at what Gray has done in 100 yq. He lost to skullion. Not an anti feats as at the same time Natsu lost to Madmole. Mashima's terrible for not fitting in a rematch, but the results of the other fights and the common trope of "fairy tail doesn't lose to the same enemy twice" tells us that Gray would have likely won if they rematched. He stomped the raijinshuu. Winning a fight easily isn't an anti feat. He beat Mirajane offscreen. Winning a fight isn't an anti feats and it being offscreen doesn't tell us anything about how much power he used. Did he leave base? Did she leave base? The world may never know. (As a side note I don't get why people scale Mira to just skullion level when she was in base Satan soul the whole fight. That's like seeing Natsu lose to Suzaku then saying that Natsu in every form is one shot material to him. Doesn't make sense to me.) Gray beat the god seed along with Juvia while in base. Winning a fight isn't an anti feats. Not much needs to be said about Elentir. Him and Natsu were easily taken out at the beginning, then Gray came back and beat the opponent. Winning a fight and being stated to be as strong as Natsu isn't an anti feat. In the labyrinth he washed Sai. Easily winning a fight isn't an anti feat.

Now let's look at Erza. She lost to hax in round one against Kirin at the same time Natsu lost then came back and overpowered her opponent with one of her weakest armors. Winning isn't an anti feat. Then she fought Laxus to extreme diff and both passed out. Having an extreme diff fight against someone who's stated to be stronger than Natsu isn't an anti feats. Lost to Yoko at the same time Natsu lost to hakune. She came back and handily beat Yoko. Winning a fight isn't an anti feat. She got taken out by Suzaku at the same time Natsu got taken out. Getting beat in a low powered state isn't an anti feat. She then beat Misaki who's stated to be as strong as Suzaku in the same arc that Natsu only managed to come to a draw with Suzaku with Suzaku having the upper hand. Beating an opponent equal to someone Natsu didn't beat doesn't somehow contradict her being stronger. Gildarts hasn't done anything the entire series but he's still relevant because the statements put him so high. Natsu fighting the big bad is nice and all but it never meant that he was the strongest back in the og series and it doesn't mean that now. Especially when the big bad have to be nerfed to be closer to his level.

Portrayal wise everytime Erza and Laxus are mentioned they are implied to be stronger. Everytime Gray and Natsu are mentioned together, they are implied to be on par with each other.

Spoiler

that's why gray gets one shot by base natsu's fire. . He also has characters in the series one shot fodder fullbuster.

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Prove he's mistaken

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natsu and gray are not operating on the same level literally. Mashima's words are useless if what he actually writes in the manga contradicts it. Erza's not stronger than natsu when both are going all out, gray is nowhere near natsu's power level same with gajeel

 

[WoWfan]

Natsu wins with Savage Flames

 

[Axiomus]

The latest chapters shows even base Natsu is above Erza. Natsu managed to hold his own against Viernes far better than Erza was ableto handle herself against Athena II. "Viernes" is literally just a superior version of Athena, complete with the philosopher's stone and enchanted with Vierne's power.

DF Natsu would stomp Athena II, and it's not even close.

 

[Darklord#10]

the seven people who voted Erza come out I just want to have a nice little chat.

All the 7 clowns who voted Erza really ran away lmao should have stayed. But now that wed is here you people are trying to sneak out again.
I know all the 7 clowns who voted Erza when this arc ends you clowns will hide again

 

[Garmadooon]

the seven people who voted Erza come out I just want to have a nice little chat.

All the 7 clowns who voted Erza really ran away lmao should have stayed. But now that wed is here you people are trying to sneak out again.
I know all the 7 clowns who voted Erza when this arc ends you clowns will hide again

Rereading this thread and the Erza fanboys arguments is hilarious these days isn't it? I mean since @Jintohaku bullied us on Mashima's statements about Erza > DF Natsu or Gray = DF Natsu we have to do the same energy and say God Serena > Laxus = Erza.

Damn I myself dared to say that White Out POF Erza would give a high diff. One shot from DF Natsu and Erza joins her mother in Edolas.

PS: I don't hate Erza anymore, I'm just tired of her fights and her fanboys who wank her as the "best tank of the manga".

 

[Darklord#10]

Rereading this thread and the Erza fanboys arguments is hilarious these days isn't it? I mean since @Jintohaku bullied us on Mashima's statements about Erza > DF Natsu or Gray = DF Natsu we have to do the same energy and say God Serena > Laxus = Erza.

Damn I myself dared to say that White Out POF Erza would give a high diff. One shot from DF Natsu and Erza joins her mother in Edolas.

PS: I don't hate Erza anymore, I'm just tired of her fights and her fanboys who wank her as the "best tank of the manga".

my deal is why the fuck did they run away. they kept yapping about how mashima said this and that but after natsu beat duke this clowns dipped. all of them. now that wed is here this mfs are trying to sneak back in after embarassing themselves. the one who talked the most was mya bro and ronin. he talked shit, the amount of shit they said was crazy. just remebering how they were slandering natsu pisses me off

vs

lmao. we are ready to debate natsu vs erza anytime. İ KNOW THİS İS CHİLDİSH ASF but this clowns slandered natsu's feats only for them to get cooked in the very next arc

 

[sharkai]

the problem is story wise erza is above natsu. even now she is above him. feat wise it doesnt look like it because mishma brain fart always having natsu take out the boss in each arc.

df natsu is obviously a different story. erza can hold her own. but df natsu will eventually catch her. only pof erza has a chance against df natsu.
and pof like where losing is not an option

 

[Garmadooon]

the problem is story wise erza is above natsu. even now she is above him. feat wise it doesnt look like it because mishma brain fart always having natsu take out the boss in each arc.

df natsu is obviously a different story. erza can hold her own. but df natsu will eventually catch her. only pof erza has a chance against df natsu.
and pof like where losing is not an option

The last time Erza used POF, she lost the battle so I don't understand your last sentence. You said it yourself that Erza didn't use POF in 100YQ, so why take it into consideration as if it was so special in this match?

If Erza solos a DG in the new arc then I will maybe change my opinion but for now she's getting trashed like any other guild member.

It's really pathetic to see you clinging to a past portrayal to overrate Erza. In fact you spend your life complaining about Laxus fans but you do exactly the same stupid things as them, the only difference is that you do it for Irene and Erza.

 

[sharkai]

The last time Erza used POF, she lost the battle so I don't understand your last sentence. You said it yourself that Erza didn't use POF in 100YQ, so why take it into consideration as if it was so special in this match?

that pof is the one she used against dragon irene. that is the one which can take out alverzec df natsu. yes she lost but then she used it against someone stronger than even gildarts so it can be used

If Erza solos a DG in the new arc then I will maybe change my opinion but for now she's getting trashed like any other guild member.

she will not solo a DG. infact she has never soloed any boss character ever. going by this logic, pre ts df natsu should be above pre ts gildart. because he also didnt take out any boss character.

this is story issue, not a power issue. laxus, jellal, gildarts no one has ever taken out a boss character, because mishma wanking of natus. even in pre ts time period.

It's really pathetic to see you clinging to a past portrayal to overrate Erza. In fact you spend your life complaining about Laxus fans but you do exactly the same stupid things as them, the only difference is that you do it for Irene and Erza.

sadly it is not pathetic. just you being dumb. is natsu stronger than erza now? is natsu also stronger than laxus now? is natsu stronger than gildarts now? i know you and those who share the same capacity as you will try to draw a line somewhere very near erza.

the fact is mishma still portraying natsu and gray and gajeel around each other (no matter how sh!tty gray looks) his upper modes might be above them but mishma hasnt shown anything clearly stating that he is above everyone else yet. and i have a feeling he will never show it

gildarts will always remain the strongest. erza and laxus will always share the spot above natsu, and gray and gajeel will somehow always be his rival.
does it makes sense, no. but what can one say after seeing gajeel completely stopping natsu in aldron arc even though alverzec natsu looked stronger than most springgans

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In fact you spend your life complaining about Laxus fans but you do exactly the same stupid things as them, t

no i donot. stopping laxus wank is not stupid thing as wanking the sh!t out of him. saying erza is where mishma think she is not wanking either

 

[Darklord#10]

that pof is the one she used against dragon irene. that is the one which can take out alverzec df natsu. yes she lost but then she used it against someone stronger than even gildarts so it can be used





she will not solo a DG. infact she has never soloed any boss character ever. going by this logic, pre ts df natsu should be above pre ts gildart. because he also didnt take out any boss character.

this is story issue, not a power issue. laxus, jellal, gildarts no one has ever taken out a boss character, because mishma wanking of natus. even in pre ts time period.



sadly it is not pathetic. just you being dumb. is natsu stronger than erza now? is natsu also stronger than laxus now? is natsu stronger than gildarts now? i know you and those who share the same capacity as you will try to draw a line somewhere very near erza.

the fact is mishma still portraying natsu and gray and gajeel around each other (no matter how sh!tty gray looks) his upper modes might be above them but mishma hasnt shown anything clearly stating that he is above everyone else yet. and i have a feeling he will never show it

gildarts will always remain the strongest. erza and laxus will always share the spot above natsu, and gray and gajeel will somehow always be his rival.
does it makes sense, no. but what can one say after seeing gajeel completely stopping natsu in aldron arc even though alverzec natsu looked stronger than most springgans

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no i donot. stopping laxus wank is not stupid thing as wanking the sh!t out of him. saying erza is where mishma think she is not wanking either

are you really serious right now? This is just last arc bro. Like gray actually on panel got one shot by natsu's flame power.
We saw gajeel got demolished in his iron shadow mode while natsu beat Duke who's canonically above Serena. Bro are you being serious rn??

 

[Garmadooon]

that pof is the one she used against dragon irene. that is the one which can take out alverzec df natsu. yes she lost but then she used it against someone stronger than even gildarts so it can be used





she will not solo a DG. infact she has never soloed any boss character ever. going by this logic, pre ts df natsu should be above pre ts gildart. because he also didnt take out any boss character.

this is story issue, not a power issue. laxus, jellal, gildarts no one has ever taken out a boss character, because mishma wanking of natus. even in pre ts time period.



sadly it is not pathetic. just you being dumb. is natsu stronger than erza now? is natsu also stronger than laxus now? is natsu stronger than gildarts now? i know you and those who share the same capacity as you will try to draw a line somewhere very near erza.

the fact is mishma still portraying natsu and gray and gajeel around each other (no matter how sh!tty gray looks) his upper modes might be above them but mishma hasnt shown anything clearly stating that he is above everyone else yet. and i have a feeling he will never show it

gildarts will always remain the strongest. erza and laxus will always share the spot above natsu, and gray and gajeel will somehow always be his rival.
does it makes sense, no. but what can one say after seeing gajeel completely stopping natsu in aldron arc even though alverzec natsu looked stronger than most springgans

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no i donot. stopping laxus wank is not stupid thing as wanking the sh!t out of him. saying erza is where mishma think she is not wanking either

How do you know that Dragon Irene is stronger than Alvarez DF Natsu? This version of Natsu blew up Fairy Heart Zeref who is above all of the Spriggan 12 combined.

I can agree with you that the author is wanking Natsu and having him take out the final bosses solo may be bad writing but it's a typical Shonen trope you can't change it because it doesn't you don't like it. Natsu is below Gildarts Laxus and Erza in typical circumstances but not in circumstances where he has to eliminate bad guys to protect the guild. Because otherwise it gives us horrible wank results like "Laxus is stronger than Base Zeref" (no joke go watch in the 2017 fighting tournament).


I am stupid ? But yet I'm relying on the manga's feats, you just want to debunk them because it doesn't fit your headcanon that Erza is stronger than all versions of Natsu. If Erza was in Natsu's place against the DGs you would have glorified her by saying that her feats put her above everyone else.

I agree with you that Laxus tends to be very overrated and is the golden boy of this forum. But by wanking Erza and her opponents you are playing exactly the same game as them and you are giving to Laxus wankers more food to wank him. You are too biased towards Erza just like Laxus stans are too biased towards Laxus, I see no difference between your two unhealthy and delusional fanbases.

 

[Darklord#10]

because mishma wanking of natus.

It's not wanking. It's just a common shounen trope. Most of the times the mc will beat the final boss. That's a shounen trope. Also gray was the one who beat lyon and he landed the last hit on mard geer. So things can change

that pof is the one she used against dragon irene. that is the one which can take out alverzec df natsu. yes she lost but then she used it against someone stronger than even gildarts so it can be used

Power of friendship natsu rarely loses. We saw dragon force natsu one hit fairy heart zeref he only came back because of his immortality and time magic. He basically just undid the damage

Like there's actually clear cut evidence of base natsu outscaling base gray and base gajeel. We're not saying something that is not in the manga.
Gajeel got crushed in his shadow iron mode by god Serena , natsu with only lightning mode stomped duke who's stated to be stronger than Serena.
Base gray got one shot by base natsu's flames.
Natsu has actually on panel shown he can clash with dragon gods albeit being weaker in base. Like you gotta be actually stupid to deny this. I don't care if mods delete this one but this guy is arguing with bad faith. He always does this every time

 

[sharkai]

are you really serious right now? This is just last arc bro. Like gray actually on panel got one shot by natsu's flame power.
We saw gajeel got demolished in his iron shadow mode while natsu beat Duke who's canonically above Serena. Bro are you being serious rn??

this has happened before man. even the owl did severe damage to gray after eating natsu in heaven arc.

mishma does this sh!t all the time. but at the end nothing seems to change

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How do you know that Dragon Irene is stronger than Alvarez DF Natsu? This version of Natsu blew up Fairy Heart Zeref who is above all of the Spriggan 12 combined.

good point but
base natsu though strong was weaker than gildarts. who was weaker than august. gildarts would be around human irene level. why would natsu df give him a bigger jump than irene completely transforming into a dragon

human irene > base natsu
dragon irene > df natsu

I can agree with you that the author is wanking Natsu and having him take out the final bosses solo may be bad writing but it's a typical Shonen trope you can't change it because it doesn't you don't like it. Natsu is below Gildarts Laxus and Erza in typical circumstances but not in circumstances where he has to eliminate bad guys to protect the guild. Because otherwise it gives us horrible wank results like "Laxus is stronger than Base Zeref" (no joke go watch in the 2017 fighting tournament).

i agree. but then we have confusion is when is natsu stronger than gildarts or erza? where do we draw the line while keeping our bais in check
natsu taking out the final boss and nakama nonsense is the main reason this manga has become crap. great world, sh!t everything else

I am stupid ? But yet I'm relying on the manga's feats, you just want to debunk them because it doesn't fit your headcanon that Erza is stronger than all versions of Natsu. If Erza was in Natsu's place against the DGs you would have glorified her by saying that her feats put her above everyone else.

this is a lie. sh!t like this happened in alverzec. and i always ranked pof erza well below pof natsu

I agree with you that Laxus tends to be very overrated and is the golden boy of this forum. But by wanking Erza and her opponents you are playing exactly the same game as them and you are giving to Laxus wankers more food to wank him. You are too biased towards Erza just like Laxus stans are too biased towards Laxus, I see no difference between your two unhealthy and delusional fanbases.

when have i wanked erza or her oppoenents. erza due to story nonsense is above normal natsu. and you agree with this.
irene is august equivalent and misaki was compared to kirin. these are all manga facts.

what more wank have i done?

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Power of friendship natsu rarely loses. We saw dragon force natsu one hit fairy heart zeref he only came back because of his immortality and time magic. He basically just undid the damage

Like there's actually clear cut evidence of base natsu outscaling base gray and base gajeel. We're not saying something that is not in the manga.
Gajeel got crushed in his shadow iron mode by god Serena , natsu with only lightning mode stomped duke who's stated to be stronger than Serena.
Base gray got one shot by base natsu's flames.
Natsu has actually on panel shown he can clash with dragon gods albeit being weaker in base. Like you gotta be actually stupid to deny this. I don't care if mods delete this one but this guy is arguing with bad faith. He always does this every time

i dont deny this. natsu feats sh!ts on gray and gajeel and laxus and gildart and erza. i agree with it. but even after all that, mishma still uses him as he has used him before. a rival of gray and gajeel and someone below laxus and erza.

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It's not wanking. It's just a common shounen trope. Most of the times the mc will beat the final boss. That's a shounen trope. Also gray was the one who beat lyon and he landed the last hit on mard geer. So things can change

one of the main the reason this manga will remain sh!t