Discussion Fairy Tail Power Ranking Thread

[grey matter]

How is Skullion beneath Gray if he beat him? Furthermore, Skullion tied with Mirajane, who is above Gray, according to the narrative.

There are many other inconsistencies.

I've gone over this topic a lot in detail, in the past.
Mashima either retconned the DE trio or powered up the good guys (i think it's a combination of both). Cause Kyria is now at a level where Lucy can defeat her, albeit with minor help. In contrast, Kyria of the past one shotted Lucy with a roar.

OG trio members were bonkers.
Kyria had combat stats to give Erza a high diff on top of her hax, one shotted Lucy and Wendy. Skullion no diff DeS gray. Madmole no sold FDKM Natsu, Natsu had to resort to heat rather than attack power.

Like I said, there will be inconsistencies, because Mashima is the author.

I'd put her in tier 3. Tier 3/4 seems kinda convoluted don't you think. As for me personally right now I would say laxus and Erza are stronger than suzaku. The reason why I put kirin above suzaku is just base purely on the fact that I think suzaku might show up in this arc but that's a huge gamble. But it's whatever.

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Mard geer?? X791. Bro s fodder rn. Base natsu one shots him easily

Why do you think Kirin, Laxus and Erza are stronger than Suzaku?

Mashima went out of his way to specifically tell us he didn't retcon Suzaku's power level.
He made natsu gain a new mode where he has his DF durability in FDKM, and have Natsu even admit he's one shot material to suzaku if not for that.
Suzaku's feats against Erza and natsu in Elentir stays.
Also, suzaku is clearly the special one amongst BDSK there is a reason he fought natsu, is paired with natsu, and fought two DGs.

Misaki also implied that Kirin was stronger than her.

As for Mard and other early big bads.
I think Mashima is making it clear recently that the power creep isn't as high as many of us (including me) originally thought it was.
Mard geer no sold x791 DF Natsu, that shit will take out half the (low dura) Spriggans.
Look at how strong dual mode Sting was. Future Rouge is x792 Sting plus 6 years of training.
Now we're seeing demonized Zero implied to be the strongest of the 6 new villains.
Mashima has massive respect for the old big bads.

personally I think some mages like the ones uses hax are difficult to rank because some of them do have magic that can work on mages stronger than them and some can only be beaten (unless you count plot) is if someone’s around that can counter their hax or doesn’t work on them

I agree. I didn't even rank Haku due to this lol, don't know where to put him.

At least for Misaki, her hax is kinda counterable. There are many general counters, like flight, telekinesis, ranged attacks, etc.
We can hence gauge her powers to an extend.

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Lucy and Wendy are too low.
Suzaku is too high.
Misaki is too low as well.
Haku?
I would move Suzaku, and the Signario sisters to tier 3. Wed is supposedly stronger than the sisters and we know Erza will most likely beat him.

I think Lucy and Wendy are by design meant to be weaker than base natsu/Gray via portrayal.

Suzaku is the source of BDSK hype like Serena was for regular Spriggan, he's the special one.

A (weaker) Signario sister dealt with Erza + Jellal + Minerva easily. I think they deserve that high spot.
They and Duke were giga nerfed by Mashima in the end, where they were not allowed to use their hax. Without their hax, yeah they're utter trash.

 

[Cosmicstar]

I've gone over this topic a lot in detail, in the past.
Mashima either retconned the DE trio or powered up the good guys (i think it's a combination of both). Cause Kyria is now at a level where Lucy can defeat her, albeit with minor help. In contrast, Kyria of the past one shotted Lucy with a roar.

OG trio members were bonkers.
Kyria had combat stats to give Erza a high diff on top of her hax, one shotted Lucy and Wendy. Skullion no diff DeS gray. Madmole no sold FDKM Natsu, Natsu had to resort to heat rather than attack power.

Like I said, there will be inconsistencies, because Mashima is the author.



Why do you think Kirin, Laxus and Erza are stronger than Suzaku?

Mashima went out of his way to specifically tell us he didn't retcon Suzaku's power level.
He made natsu gain a new mode where he has his DF durability in FDKM, and have Natsu even admit he's one shot material to suzaku if not for that.
Suzaku's feats against Erza and natsu in Elentir stays.
Also, suzaku is clearly the special one amongst BDSK there is a reason he fought natsu, is paired with natsu, and fought two DGs.

Misaki also implied that Kirin was stronger than her.

As for Mard and other early big bads.
I think Mashima is making it clear recently that the power creep isn't as high as many of us (including me) originally thought it was.
Mard geer no sold x791 DF Natsu, that shit will take out half the (low dura) Spriggans.
Look at how strong dual mode Sting was. Future Rouge is x792 Sting plus 6 years of training.
Now we're seeing demonized Zero implied to be the strongest of the 6 new villains.
Mashima has massive respect for the old big bads.



I agree. I didn't even rank Haku due to this lol, don't know where to put him.

At least for Misaki, her hax is kinda counterable. There are many general counters, like flight, telekinesis, ranged attacks, etc.
We can hence gauge her powers to an extend.

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I think Lucy and Wendy are by design meant to be weaker than base natsu/Gray via portrayal.

Suzaku is the source of BDSK hype like Serena was for regular Spriggan, he's the special one.

A (weaker) Signario sister dealt with Erza + Jellal + Minerva easily. I think they deserve that high spot.
They and Duke were giga nerfed by Mashima in the end, where they were not allowed to use their hax. Without their hax, yeah they're utter trash.

As far as the Lucy situation it was wasn't a retcon of kyria strength but rather Lucy simply used a much more powerful attack. With Gray vs Skullion, Gray pulled out his Trump card which was his DeS and still lost. Lucy in her initial battle with Kyria used her weaker forms aka her basic stardresses. In the second battle to defeat Kyria she used a stardress mix combined with a powerful spell, which are superior to Virgo form or Aquarius form.

As far as the Lucy vs Kyria argument who wins si.ply comes down to what is used in battle.

 

[Garmadooon]

I haven't done this in a while, so I might be missing characters. I also won't add Ignia's guild members or dark witch/OS 2.0, too less info.
But anyway, here is my strongest list.

God tier:
Acno (ravines of time)

Acno tier:
-Acnologia
-Ignia/prime Igneel
-Aldoron (100%)
-Merc/Selene/Viernes
-Elefseria (prime)
-Dogramag

Tier 0:
- Metalicana/Grandeeney/Skiadrum/Viselogia
- human Acno

Tier 1:
- human DGs
- DF Natsu
- Zeref (FH)

Tier 2:
- Wolven seed
- x793 Gildarts (hypothetical)
- Zeref (base)
- Duke Barbaroa (no CIS)
- George
- Elexion
- Signario sisters (not CIS)
- Suzaku
- FDKM Natsu (with DK scales/DF durability)

Tier 3:
- Animus
- August/dragon Eileen
- Laxus/prime Kirin (with Elexion soul)
- Jellal
- Erza
- FDKM Natsu (no DK scales)

Tier 4:
- Larcade
- x792 Gildarts/God Serena
- Kirin (w/o Elexion soul)
- Misaki
- Gears

Tier 5:
- Dimaria
- Mira
- DeS Gray/ISM Gajeel/LFD Natsu
- Skullion

Tier 6:
- Kyria/Madmole
- Bradman
- Mard Geer/Hades (with GH)
- Future Rouge
- Ajeel/Wahl
- Brandish/Neinhart/Jacob
- Midnight/Cobra/base Natsu/base Gajeel/base Gray

Tier 7:
- Elfman
- Lucy/Wendy
- Hyberion
- Wolfheim
- Warrod
- Makarov

I guess seeing your favorite character Brandish again made you lose hope for this arc, right ?

I like your tier list regarding the current characters but I don't agree with the following points:

- Mard Geer and Hades at low level Spriggan : I'm sorry to tell you that they shouldn't be at this level. We saw that Neinhart could recreate Hades at full power (the only Historias declared weakened were the Spriggan Historias) which implies that the regular Spriggan MP >>>> all pre-Alvarez villains. Yes they had disappointing physical performances of durability but it must be taken into account that Natsu became massively stronger to the point that the Alvarez base Natsu was stronger than Tartaros DF Natsu so it is not an anti-feat either.

- I don't agree with Midnight and Cobra at Base level Natsu/Gray/Gajeel they don't have feats since the Starry Key Night arc (filler in the anime)

- I think Lucy Wendy and Elfman should easily beat Hades and Mard Geer at this point, although I hate Wendy, her enchantments and Secret Art should easily take them out, Lucy can cut them with the Star Dress Cancer which allowed her to Matching Kyria in combat, and Elfman with his Lion form has the feat of blocking Madmole, all of these feats are more impressive than those of Mard Geer and Hades. I love them and they were really good villains in their arcs but unfortunately they can't be ranked that high anymore.

 

[grey matter]

I guess seeing your favorite character Brandish again made you lose hope for this arc, right ?

I like your tier list regarding the current characters but I don't agree with the following points:

- Mard Geer and Hades at low level Spriggan : I'm sorry to tell you that they shouldn't be at this level. We saw that Neinhart could recreate Hades at full power (the only Historias declared weakened were the Spriggan Historias) which implies that the regular Spriggan MP >>>> all pre-Alvarez villains. Yes they had disappointing physical performances of durability but it must be taken into account that Natsu became massively stronger to the point that the Alvarez base Natsu was stronger than Tartaros DF Natsu so it is not an anti-feat either.

- I don't agree with Midnight and Cobra at Base level Natsu/Gray/Gajeel they don't have feats since the Starry Key Night arc (filler in the anime)

- I think Lucy Wendy and Elfman should easily beat Hades and Mard Geer at this point, although I hate Wendy, her enchantments and Secret Art should easily take them out, Lucy can cut them with the Star Dress Cancer which allowed her to Matching Kyria in combat, and Elfman with his Lion form has the feat of blocking Madmole, all of these feats are more impressive than those of Mard Geer and Hades. I love them and they were really good villains in their arcs but unfortunately they can't be ranked that high anymore.

Nah, it isn't just Brandish either.
I lost hope the moment the good guys split, to destroy lacrima which is guarded by berserking DGs at full power along with a bunch of dragonlings. From that moment, ANYTHING that happens in the arc makes ZERO sense. Complete dogshit writing.

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Regarding Hades/Mard.
First of all, we don't know if Hades was at full power. But what we do know if that the recreated Hades did give Laxus some trouble, even tho he was injured it means base Hades wasn't complete fodder.
Neinhart has high magic power, but magic power is not equal to power level. We've seen many high MP characters being defeated by characters with weaker MP, ultimately MP is just one stat.
Plus, what he created was base Hades, GH Hades >>> base Hades.

Mard Geer's portrayal is comparable to CSK, given their centuries old rivalry - that is some insane portrayal. The version of CSK that he is comparable to, is far superior to the version of CSK that Lucy summoned, who was splitting mountains and changing the landscape casually - given that Mard called out the version Lucy summoned for being a weakling (restricted by Lucy's level back then) and dealt with him in base.
In fact, if anything, I think I am low balling Mard Geer, but I will wait until we see something from CSK

Full power Mard Geer was at a level where he could stomp x791 DF Natsu, who scales far above characters like Jura and Makarov.

Mashima has been sprinkling that the power creep isn't that big throughout this spinoff.
Natsu said healthy Makarov (who scales to Jura and below base Hades) was far stronger than the one Wraith possessed and amped, for an example.
Now we are seeing a demonized Zero being implied as the exception amongst the 6 underlings of black witch.

I think it's time we sort of adjust how we see the power creep.
The main argument of power creep was God Serena destroying the GOI + Jura. But as we see, God Serena is the exception amongst regular Spriggans too - he destroyed a stronger version of Gajeel than in Alverez, pushed a stronger version of Jellal than in Averez, and is pretty much confirmed to be equal of x792 Gildarts (when characters weaker than x792 Gildarts were destroying Spriggans left and right).

*******

Regarding Cobra and Midnight.
To start with, key of starry arc is canon, Mashima wrote the outline and it has been referenced in the manga. Plus, their designs were revealed as the same as well.

But the reason I place them along with base Natsu isn't based on that arc at all. If I scaled based on that, mainly it's outdated, we can't just scale from x791.

The reason I have Cobra up there is because Mashima ranked him just below Natsu, implying Cobra can push Natsu to a high diff if we take out "MC buffs". There is a legit argument to be made that Cobra is STRONGER than base Natsu, since everything till FDKM is a part of Natsu's regular arsenal (by MC buffs, I presume Mashima is talking about stuff like PoF and DF)
But I wouldn't go that far without it being shown in manga lol - like I said, weighing portrayal and feats.

As far as the Lucy situation it was wasn't a retcon of kyria strength but rather Lucy simply used a much more powerful attack. With Gray vs Skullion, Gray pulled out his Trump card which was his DeS and still lost. Lucy in her initial battle with Kyria used her weaker forms aka her basic stardresses. In the second battle to defeat Kyria she used a stardress mix combined with a powerful spell, which are superior to Virgo form or Aquarius form.

As far as the Lucy vs Kyria argument who wins si.ply comes down to what is used in battle.

I am not going to entertain Lucy > DeS Gray dude, deep down you know this isn't happening either

 

[Yunkers]

(the only Historias declared weakened were the Spriggan Historias)

I don't think that's true. Gildarts implied that God Serena is weaker, because he's dead, not beacuse he has been very strong before. That implies all of his historias are weaker because all of them are dead.
It's also worth to remember that Historia's are made from someone's memory. It's completly possible that there are not 100% replicas, but rather how the mage remember them. That's why Erza was able to dispell three Historias by just intimidation.

 

[Ratrace]

I agree. I didn't even rank Haku due to this lol, don't know where to put him.

At least for Misaki, her hax is kinda counterable. There are many general counters, like flight, telekinesis, ranged attacks, etc.
We can hence gauge her powers to an extend.

too bad if you can’t do any of those things.

you’re right Haku is worst because the only way someone can beat him (besides plot and maybe other things ) is if they use the same type of magic Wendy has.

 

[Garmadooon]

Nah, it isn't just Brandish either.
I lost hope the moment the good guys split, to destroy lacrima which is guarded by berserking DGs at full power along with a bunch of dragonlings. From that moment, ANYTHING that happens in the arc makes ZERO sense. Complete dogshit writing.

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Regarding Hades/Mard.
First of all, we don't know if Hades was at full power. But what we do know if that the recreated Hades did give Laxus some trouble, even tho he was injured it means base Hades wasn't complete fodder.
Neinhart has high magic power, but magic power is not equal to power level. We've seen many high MP characters being defeated by characters with weaker MP, ultimately MP is just one stat.
Plus, what he created was base Hades, GH Hades >>> base Hades.

Mard Geer's portrayal is comparable to CSK, given their centuries old rivalry - that is some insane portrayal. The version of CSK that he is comparable to, is far superior to the version of CSK that Lucy summoned, who was splitting mountains and changing the landscape casually - given that Mard called out the version Lucy summoned for being a weakling (restricted by Lucy's level back then) and dealt with him in base.
In fact, if anything, I think I am low balling Mard Geer, but I will wait until we see something from CSK

Full power Mard Geer was at a level where he could stomp x791 DF Natsu, who scales far above characters like Jura and Makarov.

Mashima has been sprinkling that the power creep isn't that big throughout this spinoff.
Natsu said healthy Makarov (who scales to Jura and below base Hades) was far stronger than the one Wraith possessed and amped, for an example.
Now we are seeing a demonized Zero being implied as the exception amongst the 6 underlings of black witch.

I think it's time we sort of adjust how we see the power creep.
The main argument of power creep was God Serena destroying the GOI + Jura. But as we see, God Serena is the exception amongst regular Spriggans too - he destroyed a stronger version of Gajeel than in Alverez, pushed a stronger version of Jellal than in Averez, and is pretty much confirmed to be equal of x792 Gildarts (when characters weaker than x792 Gildarts were destroying Spriggans left and right).

*******

Regarding Cobra and Midnight.
To start with, key of starry arc is canon, Mashima wrote the outline and it has been referenced in the manga. Plus, their designs were revealed as the same as well.

But the reason I place them along with base Natsu isn't based on that arc at all. If I scaled based on that, mainly it's outdated, we can't just scale from x791.

The reason I have Cobra up there is because Mashima ranked him just below Natsu, implying Cobra can push Natsu to a high diff if we take out "MC buffs". There is a legit argument to be made that Cobra is STRONGER than base Natsu, since everything till FDKM is a part of Natsu's regular arsenal (by MC buffs, I presume Mashima is talking about stuff like PoF and DF)
But I wouldn't go that far without it being shown in manga lol - like I said, weighing portrayal and feats.



I am not going to entertain Lucy > DeS Gray dude, deep down you know this isn't happening either

Yes lol I agree, I don't even know how they are supposed to stop the DGs in these conditions we will have to prepare for an extreme PiS and CiS in the next chapters.

Regarding Hades and Mard Geer I disagree, their achievements put them slightly above the 4 GOI yes, but not at a level where they can beat Brandish Jacob Neinhart. The power of the current CSK may be unknown and featless but it is linked to the magical power of Lucy who has grown a lot since x791 so I find it fair to say that current Lucy should beat Mard Geer without CSK.

Powercreep isn't that big I agree but he only stated that for the Spriggans (August Irene God Serena) it doesn't indicate that the best villains pre Alvarez can defeat the low levels of the guild.

We don't know Cobra's level so we can't rank him bcs unfortunately Mashima dropped him. I never denied that the Starry Key Night arc was canon but like I said his best feats date back to x791, the only thing he's had since is a fight against Gajeel in a spin-off (I think around x792 I don't know anymore) but that can't make him evolve at the level of x793 characters unfortunately.

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I don't think that's true. Gildarts implied that God Serena is weaker, because he's dead, not beacuse he has been very strong before. That implies all of his historias are weaker because all of them are dead.
It's also worth to remember that Historia's are made from someone's memory. It's completly possible that there are not 100% replicas, but rather how the mage remember them. That's why Erza was able to dispell three Historias by just intimidation.

I don't have the scan but I think we see Neinhart sweating after recreating Wahl God Serena and Bloodman while for the other characters he did it without sweating. And Minerva and Rogue also said that Historia Bloodman and Historia Wahl were weakened. But when Ur Keyes Hades Simon Azuma Ikaruga Kyoka were resurrected there is no statement that they were weakened so their strength was similar to their living strength.

 

[Rigel]

I've gone over this topic a lot in detail, in the past.
Mashima either retconned the DE trio or powered up the good guys (i think it's a combination of both). Cause Kyria is now at a level where Lucy can defeat her, albeit with minor help. In contrast, Kyria of the past one shotted Lucy with a roar.

OG trio members were bonkers.
Kyria had combat stats to give Erza a high diff on top of her hax, one shotted Lucy and Wendy. Skullion no diff DeS gray. Madmole no sold FDKM Natsu, Natsu had to resort to heat rather than attack power.

Like I said, there will be inconsistencies, because Mashima is the author.



Why do you think Kirin, Laxus and Erza are stronger than Suzaku?

Mashima went out of his way to specifically tell us he didn't retcon Suzaku's power level.
He made natsu gain a new mode where he has his DF durability in FDKM, and have Natsu even admit he's one shot material to suzaku if not for that.
Suzaku's feats against Erza and natsu in Elentir stays.
Also, suzaku is clearly the special one amongst BDSK there is a reason he fought natsu, is paired with natsu, and fought two DGs.

Misaki also implied that Kirin was stronger than her.

As for Mard and other early big bads.
I think Mashima is making it clear recently that the power creep isn't as high as many of us (including me) originally thought it was.
Mard geer no sold x791 DF Natsu, that shit will take out half the (low dura) Spriggans.
Look at how strong dual mode Sting was. Future Rouge is x792 Sting plus 6 years of training.
Now we're seeing demonized Zero implied to be the strongest of the 6 new villains.
Mashima has massive respect for the old big bads.



I agree. I didn't even rank Haku due to this lol, don't know where to put him.

At least for Misaki, her hax is kinda counterable. There are many general counters, like flight, telekinesis, ranged attacks, etc.
We can hence gauge her powers to an extend.

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I think Lucy and Wendy are by design meant to be weaker than base natsu/Gray via portrayal.

Suzaku is the source of BDSK hype like Serena was for regular Spriggan, he's the special one.

A (weaker) Signario sister dealt with Erza + Jellal + Minerva easily. I think they deserve that high spot.
They and Duke were giga nerfed by Mashima in the end, where they were not allowed to use their hax. Without their hax, yeah they're utter trash.

I disagree with these points.

Gray was humiliated by Skullion, he used all his power and lost. Afterwards, Skullion tied with Mirajane, and the narrative placed Mira above Gray.

Gray also did not have any power increase in the quest that showed that he improved his power level.

Gray base was unable to defeat the alchemists (those random robots), requiring Lucy to summon spirits and deal with the situation on her own.

Regarding Kiria, she was able to face Erza for a while, but in the Aldoron arc she witnessed how powerful Erza is. She understood that Erza didn't use her full power in the confrontation the two had.

And Lucy lost in the first round 1 against Kiria because she didn't use her full power. She also had little confidence in her abilities, and this is addressed in her fight against Kiria. Honestly, there are many inconsistencies in your list that do not correspond to what is shown in the manga.

 

[Cosmicstar]

I am not going to entertain Lucy > DeS Gray dude, deep down you know this isn't happening either

Gottfried>Urano Metria>DeS

It is similar to how Gray with DeS magic is stronger than Cana on a normal basis but once you factor in Fairy Glitter then she is stronger than him.

 

[Darklord#10]

Gottfried>Urano Metria>DeS

It is similar to how Gray with DeS magic is stronger than Cana on a normal basis but once you factor in Fairy Glitter then she is stronger than him.

Cana stronger than gray?

Gray keeps sinking down and down. Went from being natsu's legitimate rival, kicking mard's butt, standing up to erza to worshipping Mira, weaker than Lucy then Wendy then cana what's next elfman

 

[Jhonatas Fernandes]

I don't have the scan but I think we see Neinhart sweating after recreating Wahl God Serena and Bloodman while for the other characters he did it without sweating. And Minerva and Rogue also said that Historia Bloodman and Historia Wahl were weakened. But when Ur Keyes Hades Simon Azuma Ikaruga Kyoka were resurrected there is no statement that they were weakened so their strength was similar to their living strength.

Neinhart was complaining that keeping fellow Spriggans in the field was taxing, so we can conclude that he was using almost all of his magic power to do it.

Minerva and Rogue never said the Historias they fought were weaker than their original versions. Minerva and Rogue only felt that they were dead through their magic.

Funny how Erza was recognizing the strength of Historia-God Serena, she said " Is this why he is the strongest wizard in Ishgal?"

Gildarts stated that Historia-God Serena was a "small fry" compared to his original version. The problem is that Gildarts is significantly stronger than strong wizards like Erza, so being a "small fry" to Gildarts doesn't need to be a "small fry" to wizards below Gildart's level. Historia-God Serena was even able to tie with Gildarts in a physical clash.

 

[Cosmicstar]

Cana stronger than gray?

Gray keeps sinking down and down. Went from being natsu's legitimate rival, kicking mard's butt, standing up to erza to worshipping Mira, weaker than Lucy then Wendy then cana what's next elfman

Don't worry it is just Cana with Fairy Glitter. Cana with Fairy Glitter was even stronger than Jura during the GMG. As in attack power.

Also, I never understand why people act like Gray standing up to Mard is some big feat. Gray literally was given a magic meant to be highly effective against Demons. That is like Marin one shotting Erza. It would have been more impressive if Gray did it without having to rely on Demon slayer magic.

Rival doesn't mean equal in power. Natsu and Gray stopped being equal in power after Tenrou Island. They were somewhat equal again at the end of Tartarus but after that absolutely not.


Gray is still strong and up there in power. Never said he was weaker than Lucy but dude does get overrated sometimes.

How powerful the characters are though just depends on how you view them truly. Freed honestly is one of the most underrated characters in power. Dude ruines can affect wizard saints and create boundaries around the entire of Magnolia. Dude is really only limited to who is writing him. What I mean by that is rather he is being written to be smart or dumb.

 

[WoWfan]

I don't think that's true. Gildarts implied that God Serena is weaker, because he's dead, not beacuse he has been very strong before. That implies all of his historias are weaker because all of them are dead.
It's also worth to remember that Historia's are made from someone's memory. It's completly possible that there are not 100% replicas, but rather how the mage remember them. That's why Erza was able to dispell three Historias by just intimidation.

It was Neinhart that said that Spriggan Historias are taxing, considering that he spent time with them the most would make him know what they are capable of, but there is a limit as to how much MP he can use especially if they are at his level, they would likely be around 1/3 their original strength.

 

[GL_Nova]

In debates you need to be smart and calm. We know for a fact that suzaku has a better chance of fighting a dragon god than laxus will ever have. We also know for a fact that Erza has a better chance of fighting a dragon god than laxus and if mashima wants Erza to fight Faris it could happen. Also erza's going to fight ignia's second in command, he might probably be a dragonized human so erza's got good things going on for her right now. I'm just waiting and assessing the situation calmly. Suzaku isn't underrated, it's just that people like @GL_Nova loves to leech of suzaku's feats and lump it on laxus. Gray is just ass man, he was the one who singlehandedly resurrected the Mira hype. Anyone who thinks zeref is weaker than any other character apart from the god tiers is brain dead. Natsu had an advantage in that fight. So personally right now it's better to accept that suzaku is weaker than laxus and Erza.

Is there a reason @Darklord#10 and @Garmadooon are on the battle thread if they don't understand simple scaling?? Like, there's a story discussion thread too isn't there? If simple scaling upsets yall so...

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I haven't done this in a while, so I might be missing characters. I also won't add Ignia's guild members or dark witch/OS 2.0, too less info.
But anyway, here is my strongest list.

God tier:
Acno (ravines of time)

Acno tier:
-Acnologia
-Ignia/prime Igneel
-Aldoron (100%)
-Merc/Selene/Viernes
-Elefseria (prime)
-Dogramag

Tier 0:
- Metalicana/Grandeeney/Skiadrum/Viselogia
- human Acno

Tier 1:
- human DGs
- DF Natsu
- Zeref (FH)

Tier 2:
- Wolven seed
- x793 Gildarts (hypothetical)
- Zeref (base)
- Duke Barbaroa (no CIS)
- George
- Elexion
- Signario sisters (not CIS)
- Suzaku
- FDKM Natsu (with DK scales/DF durability)

Tier 3:
- Animus
- August/dragon Eileen
- Laxus/prime Kirin (with Elexion soul)
- Jellal
- Erza
- FDKM Natsu (no DK scales)

Tier 4:
- Larcade
- x792 Gildarts/God Serena
- Kirin (w/o Elexion soul)
- Misaki
- Gears

Tier 5:
- Dimaria
- Mira
- DeS Gray/ISM Gajeel/LFD Natsu
- Skullion

Tier 6:
- Kyria/Madmole
- Bradman
- Mard Geer/Hades (with GH)
- Future Rouge
- Ajeel/Wahl
- Brandish/Neinhart/Jacob
- Midnight/Cobra/base Natsu/base Gajeel/base Gray

Tier 7:
- Elfman
- Lucy/Wendy
- Hyberion
- Wolfheim
- Warrod
- Makarov

You've got Suzaku, and the Signario sisters on a tier above folks they lost too...

 

[grey matter]

Is there a reason @Darklord#10 and @Garmadooon are on the battle thread if they don't understand simple scaling?? Like, there's a story discussion thread too isn't there? If simple scaling upsets yall so...

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You've got Suzaku, and the Signario sisters on a tier above folks they lost too...

Who did suzaku lose to?

Without hax Signario sisters are trash. With hax, the weaker sister easily dealt with Jellal + Erza + Minerva. How do you deal with being turned to toys and whatever?

 

[Ratrace]

How do you deal with being turned to toys and whatever?

bring Wendy with you

 

[Darklord#10]

Is there a reason @Darklord#10 and @Garmadooon are on the battle thread if they don't understand simple scaling?? Like, there's a story discussion thread too isn't there? If simple scaling upsets yall so...

Yeah keep leeching of natsu Erza and suzaku like you always do. You literally need to leech of suzaku's feats against selene to prove why laxus is stronger than august. That's not scaling that's called inconsistency . Also you don't get to decide why I'm here, I'm here because I wanna be here. This man out here talking as if laxus has fought the big guns of the verse, he always disappears and then he appears just to mooch of erza's feats.

 

[Cosmicstar]

How would Team Natsu During the GMG attacks rank on the MPF?

GMG reference to character powers:

• Milliana Kitten Blast: 365
• Orga Black thunder canon: 3825
• Jura Fuji eruption: 8544
• Fairy Glitter: 9999 Maxed out

Natsu:
Fire Lightning Punch: 6185(Between Orga and Jura attack scores)

Erza:
Fire and Lightning sword slash: 3825(Roughly around Orga Canon attack)

Lucy:
Leo Regulus Impact: 1825(5x that of Milliana attack)

Gray:
Ice sword or Hammer: 1095(3x That of Milliana attack)

Wendy:
Sky dragon roar: 913(2.5x Milliana attack)

 

[Darklord#10]

Lucy:
Leo Regulus Impact: 1825(5x that of Milliana attack)

Gray:
Ice sword or Hammer: 1095(3x That of Milliana attack

 

[Yunkers]

Lucy:
Leo Regulus Impact: 1825(5x that of Milliana attack)

I'm pretty sure that Lucy would use Urano Metria with Gemini and have even better score.