Urek Mazino vs V (Prime)

[V_TheHiddenAxis]

--Urek is portrayed to be stronger than Family heads in general. In the FH flashback Zahard and V were highlighted as two leaders among their group while climbing.

--V and arlen where fighting against the 10 FHs and were holding their own in great war.

--V most likely will resurrect at some point in the story. If V didn't "die" and continued to grow stronger , could he match urek's power?

Thoughts?

 

[Jackjohsnon]

V is stronger.

 

[V_TheHiddenAxis]

V is stronger.

Yeah. I also think the same.

 

[Ray Barracuda]

Addressing the fact that V died it meant he had no immortality contract and if he had none at the time it means the group hadn't asked for one from the administrator at the time which meant a time where neither Z nor the FH's we're at their absolute peak of current.


So I don't even see the slightest logical grounds to put V above Edhuan or Arie Hon let alone Urek who ranks above them.

His potential? Not noted to be exceptional.

His growth? Very much just on par with the family heads at the time until revolution where everyone flew.


Dude has no noted special attributes or something he was the best at in any way regarding Shinsoo or smarts, no "monster" connotations.


Not even in SIU's blogs was there something to indicate V was some sorta monster or one of a kind, he ended up far weaker than Zahard and paid the ultimate price for it with his life so I'd like to know what logic anyone would use in scaling V above the family heads let alone Urek in universe.


For now, Edhuan and Arie Hon absolutely wash him, maybe he's on par with Traum and Gustang?

Maybe I guess.


Gustang doesn't seem to recall V as someone strong, only the worst person he ever knew which is saying something considering Zahard of now.

 

[Pro Factor]

Addressing the fact that V died it meant he had no immortality contract and if he had none at the time it means the group hadn't asked for one from the administrator at the time which meant a time where neither Z nor the FH's we're at their absolute peak of current.


So I don't even see the slightest logical grounds to put V above Edhuan or Arie Hon let alone Urek who ranks above them.

His potential? Not noted to be exceptional.

His growth? Very much just on par with the family heads at the time until revolution where everyone flew.


Dude has no noted special attributes or something he was the best at in any way regarding Shinsoo or smarts, no "monster" connotations.


Not even in SIU's blogs was there something to indicate V was some sorta monster or one of a kind, he ended up far weaker than Zahard and paid the ultimate price for it with his life so I'd like to know what logic anyone would use in scaling V above the family heads let alone Urek in universe.


For now, Edhuan and Arie Hon absolutely wash him, maybe he's on par with Traum and Gustang?

Maybe I guess.


Gustang doesn't seem to recall V as someone strong, only the worst person he ever knew which is saying something considering Zahard of now.

I think he just didn’t accept the contract,since Arlene did try to kill herself but was unable to. If the contract was made after his death she would also refuse contact and just off herself.

V was always portrayed as someone who wanted to be closer to other people from the tower and it would make sense that refusing immortality would make him feel closer to towerborns.

 

[Ray Barracuda]

I think he just didn’t accept the contract,since Arlene did try to kill herself but was unable to. If the contract was made after his death she would also refuse contact and just off herself.

V was always portrayed as someone who wanted to be closer to other people from the tower and it would make sense that refusing immortality would make him feel closer to towerborns.

Nah, don't think that's it.

For example now, V as we know and have seen bits if him upon reaching the end of his climb isn't some benevolent god after a certain point.

Gustang proclaimed V the worst person he ever knew and current Zahard still exists plus Gustang doesn't use empty words to exaggerate so much, from the little we experienced some chapters ago it seems that V definitely had a strong god complex.


So can't even trust for a day that it was his love for the people forcing him not to accept a contract, he changed the most after Zahard during their climb it seems.


Seems to have been a component that hadn't popped up as an choice for him before.

 

[Demonspeed]

Zahard stronger than Urek, sure. But V too? No reason for me to believe that as of now.

V and Arlen couldn't possibly "hold their own" in a straight battle even against three of the FHs.

 

[Lonatian]

I always thought that Zahard and the 10 family heads would get stronger over time. Whether they split up or sealed or whatever, each part of their power would still increase. Then, if they combined all their power, they would be in a stronger state than before.

So even if that was V (prime), that could only be considered strong in the past.

Meanwhile, Urek was compared to the family heads in the present. Obviously, he should be much stronger than V.

 

[Anne isn't a TT]

I would say V. Just an item from him made such an impact on the current battle between FLs even tho he is supposedly dead. I also believe he is the fastest to do revs. And then there is another theory going on that BT originally belonged to V. If that's true, V possesses power of an admin.

 

[Ray Barracuda]

V possesses power of an admin.

No offence really but.....he suffered an overwhelming loss against Zahards forces and couldn't stop him from personally killing Baam long ago even before he and the other family heads became as powerful as they were at present.

That's no power of an admin to speak of.


The thryssa both blue and red have also lost relevance from Kallavan onwards so no wank can be given to him even if he possessed it before allegedly, they're trash compared to the thorn in relevance and power which was a personal gift from Enryu to the future king slayer.


His items didn't achieve anything against a sandbagging family head with most of his power split into four creatures and was practically an empty vessel, there's really no impact to be granted here.


Other items he may have allegedly possessed too couldn't accomplish anything against any family head of note, none of them are dead nor have they lost something, everyone one is in perfect health and wealth and power.


Dude practically has zero wins to personally claim from his war with the FH's as a baseline means to scale him against Urek the slightest bit.


He lost Baam, Arlene and himself to death, that's three devastating ultimate losses with no wins of sorts.

Arlene is the one who saved Baam and most probably his soul too from vanishing before she herself also died.


How do we even comfortably proclaim him equal to the FH's let alone surpassing Urek?


He did not rival or surpass him in potential or growth speed, the growth of V was also behind Zahard who also falls short massively in comparison to Urek in potential.


I really cannot see how to wank him here.

 

[Anne isn't a TT]

How do we even comfortably proclaim him equal to the FH's let alone surpassing Urek?
I really cannot see how to wank him here.

I don't think V and Arlene could have defeat 10 GFLs and J. Even now if UM and Gussy were to side against 10 GFLs and J, they would lose, provided that the remaining GWs are united as they were against V and Arlene.

I believe he is above J from the flashbacks we have seen. His family regent, Mirchea is almost on the same level or close to FLs.

 

[Demonspeed]

So many headcanons about V it's crazy...

I don't think V and Arlene could have defeat 10 GFLs and J. Even now if UM and Gussy were to side against 10 GFLs and J, they would lose, provided that the remaining GWs are united as they were against V and Arlene.

I believe he is above J from the flashbacks we have seen. His family regent, Mirchea is almost on the same level or close to FLs.

No!!! We don't even know much about the structure of their org/group back then. Arlen's name is more prominent so far.

 

[Anne isn't a TT]

So many headcanons about V it's crazy...



No!!! We don't even know much about the structure of their org/group back then. Arlen's name is more prominent so far.

Yeah but even if we don't know, the difference is too vast for 2 to win against 11. Do U believe if Gussy didn't want the rupture, night would have made this huge waves in the tower or even if night reaches his peak and teams up with UM, would he be able to defeat all 10 GFLs and J?

 

[V_TheHiddenAxis]

I don't think V and Arlene could have defeat 10 GFLs and J. Even now if UM and Gussy were to side against 10 GFLs and J, they would lose, provided that the remaining GWs are united as they were against V and Arlene.

I believe he is above J from the flashbacks we have seen. His family regent, Mirchea is almost on the same level or close to FLs.

Yeah. And Luslec may not even be strongest reagent working under V.

 

[paulbee]

Nah, don't think that's it.

For example now, V as we know and have seen bits if him upon reaching the end of his climb isn't some benevolent god after a certain point.

Gustang proclaimed V the worst person he ever knew and current Zahard still exists plus Gustang doesn't use empty words to exaggerate so much, from the little we experienced some chapters ago it seems that V definitely had a strong god complex.


So can't even trust for a day that it was his love for the people forcing him not to accept a contract, he changed the most after Zahard during their climb it seems.


Seems to have been a component that hadn't popped up as an choice for him before.

The Story literily states that V declined to accept immortality for whatever reason. It also said V and Jahad were the leaders of the group. I don't think they were power rated since leadership does not always rely on power.

Consider this , that After his revolution in the Rice Pot, V was given some Blue Flame, he decided to share this blue flame with the others, and as a reult The God of Guardians said that the Blue Flame will enhance the all FHs and their decendants making them atronger than everyone else in the Tower. Why would V share such a great thing? His Benevolence...maybe?

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[Demonspeed]

Yeah. And Luslec may not even be strongest reagent working under V.

???

The Story literily states that V declined to accept immortality for whatever reason. It also said V and Jahad were the leaders of the group. I don't think they were power rated since leadership does not always rely on power.

Consider this , that After his revolution in the Rice Pot, V was given some Blue Flame, he decided to shared this blue flame with the others, and as a reult The God of Guardians said that the Blue Flame will enhance the all FHs and their decendants making them atronger than everyone else in the Tower. Why would V share such a great thing? His Benevolence...maybe?

Tower of God - [Season 3] Ep. 214

What do you desire? Money and wealth? Honor and pride? Authority and power? Revenge? Or something that transcends them all? Whatever you desire—it's here.

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Zahard was the leader. He "appointed" him as co-leader during that one disagreement between Eduan and Rang because he didn't want to deal with it.

 

[paulbee]

???



Zahard was the leader. He "appointed" him as co-leader during that one disagreement between Eduan and Rang because he didn't want to deal with it.

Yep, I stand corrected.


Is it my imagination, but in the story about the climb for the 13GWs we don't see or read much about Zahard himself or the things he did?

 

[Ray Barracuda]

The Story literily states that V declined to accept immortality for whatever reason. It also said V and Jahad were the leaders of the group. I don't think they were power rated since leadership does not always rely on power.

Consider this , that After his revolution in the Rice Pot, V was given some Blue Flame, he decided to share this blue flame with the others, and as a reult The God of Guardians said that the Blue Flame will enhance the all FHs and their decendants making them atronger than everyone else in the Tower. Why would V share such a great thing? His Benevolence...maybe?

Tower of God - [Season 3] Ep. 214

What do you desire? Money and wealth? Honor and pride? Authority and power? Revenge? Or something that transcends them all? Whatever you desire—it's here.

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You speak of a time very early in their quest for a climb, has nothing to do with many years later when they all truly changed and became monsters.


Like i said, everybody was stated to have changed at the end of their climb and V is not exempt from this.

Also even in his benevolence for sharing the freedom of revolution with everyone else his stated reason was because he could not climb this tower by himself.

An admission which both acknowledges his limitations and also part of his benevolence that remained in this early stage.

 

[Lonatian]

Consider this , that After his revolution in the Rice Pot, V was given some Blue Flame, he decided to share this blue flame with the others, and as a reult The God of Guardians said that the Blue Flame will enhance the all FHs and their decendants making them atronger than everyone else in the Tower. Why

You are mistaken, blue flame is not a good thing. GoG said it will burn you if you are not careful. And that flame was given to V and his companions by GoG, it was not V's sharing.

What V shared was "evolution", which was clearly his personal wish, not the group's wish. His choice affected the whole tower, not just GWs, but it also made the evil beings stronger.

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Is it my imagination, but in the story about the climb for the 13GWs we don't see or read much about Zahard himself or the things he did?

So what do you want Zahard to show? The story doesn't tell much about Zahard, but his influence is undeniable.

From the beginning to the end, I have never seen a stage where they did not consider Zahard as their leader. Even if they became "God beings", Zahard was still their leader.
What do you think GWs are? They are clearly the most superior and arrogant individuals, but they have never changed their leader.

Which "God being" can lead "God beings"?

In fact, Zahard became a very important character in the plot of SIU. In each chapter, Zahard's symbol always appears in the chapter name from season 2. Clearly SIU want to show Zahard's influence in ToG story.

 

[paulbee]

You are mistaken, blue flame is not a good thing. GoG said it will burn you if you are not careful. And that flame was given to V and his companions by GoG, it was not V's sharing.

What V shared was "evolution", which was clearly his personal wish, not the group's wish. His choice affected the whole tower, not just GWs, but it also made the evil beings stronger.

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So what do you want Zahard to show? The story doesn't tell much about Zahard, but his influence is undeniable.

From the beginning to the end, I have never seen a stage where they did not consider Zahard as their leader. Even if they became "God beings", Zahard was still their leader.
What do you think GWs are? They are clearly the most superior and arrogant individuals, but they have never changed their leader.

Which "God being" can lead "God beings"?

In fact, Zahard became a very important character in the plot of SIU. In each chapter, Zahard's symbol always appears in the chapter name from season 2. Clearly SIU want to show Zahard's influence in ToG story.

About the blue flame, the GOG did say it would enhance the decendants of the 13GW, and it would make them stronger than others in the Tower (I would have to reread in order to be more specific, However I do recall that V chose to share it to everyone because it was a good thing.

***** I do want to know more about Zahard BECAUSE, Besides Bam Jahad is the most crucial/important character in the story. We know a lot about Bam, we know how he thinks, we understand why he acts the way he does, but we can only guess about Zahard. Yes SIU has made some general statements about him but I don't think we understand Zahard well at all.

It could be that SIU wants to keep us in the dark so as not to tip his hand about how the story will unfold, however I find myself curious as to who he is. Has Zahard ever had a girlfriend, is he gentle with women or is he a bully through and through? Does he behave respectfully to his comrades, what are the unusual feats he has performed that set him apart from the others. Was he always a bully? Did he have some encounters in his past that turned him into a dictator?

I would also like a Glimpse of what life was /is like outside the tower. Does Shinsu exist outside it? We know that Bam was able to use shisu as soon as he entered the tower, but he could be special having been born inside the tower to Shinsu users.

We are told how Enryu appeared and decimated the FOD with Shinsu spears, How does Enryu use Shinsu if it doesn't exist outside the Tower, or has Enryu been living in the Tower long before the 13 GW showed up? There are many plot fillers that we could be enlightened by.