Urek Mazino vs V (Prime)

[maverickframe_19]

Here's my two cents on it.
I would say V- 101, Z-100, U-99 (power-wise)
V and Arlene were able to put up a fight against FHs because of the strong tower borns associated with them during the climb. Don't forget V also could share blue flame with his chosen companions which would protect them. Arlene was the best spell caster in the group. We all know how busty spells are in the tower. Luslec managed to put up a decent fight against Urek, now imagine what Arlene could have done with it.

This is what always stuck with me from the flashbacks. The fact that V was the first one to do the revolution and "thor" basically called him "User"
Now if this TOG story is part of the "Talse User Story" and the purpose of the tower is to create an axis, what if only "V" originally had the potential to become an axis among all the irregulars while Zahard's potential and fate were always to become king. What if Zahard closed the doors because in his jealousy he could not see V fulfilling his potential? He already took his girl, he couldn't let him surpass him. (But it's just my theory)

V's soul also said to Enkidu he was destined to climb the tower again. Now make of that what you will. I firmly believe at the end of this series Bam will become an axis by opening the closed doors and completing the climb.

 

[paulbee]

As an answer to the question posed for this discussion, It is difficult to say who would win in a fight between V and Urek. I believe that Urek was more powerful than V at a similar stage when they first entered the tower, If we are talking about sheer physical strength. Urek was also probably stronger than Zahard at the same comparable stage.

My money would go to V Prime however because he is a Strong Wave Controller while also being physically powerfull. To defeat Urek he would have to avoid Urek's blasts and blows, while unleashing Bangs on Urek. I think Urek's fight with Luslec show that he can be vulnerable to overpwering ranged attacks if those attacks can overcome his thick hide.

Also the FOD showed that Urek is at a disadvantage if someone could take over the Shinsu in an area, I suspect that V might have that ability as will Bam when he matures. Also I think V at his prime was alot smarter/intelligent than Urek, and probably had better fighting skill.

 

[Lonatian]

About the blue flame, the GOG did say it would enhance the decendants of the 13GW, and it would make them stronger than others in the Tower (I would have to reread in order to be more specific, However I do recall that V chose to share it to everyone because it was a good thing.

I see you didn't read chap 631 (ss3 ep 214, the one you gave).

Blue flames is a gift. Didn't you see the word "Gift"? GoG gave it to V and his companions.
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Where did you get "descendants" from? I see you intentionally didn't read it.
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We have to clarify a few things. V entering the Rice Pot first and chose to share the revolution with the entire tower, including the evil beings.

But the problem is that Zahard and the other GWs also entered the Rice Pot at some point. They also had their own choices. It cannot be said that V entering the Rice Pot first made him stronger, that is not certain.

Above all, up to now we have only seen a few people using Shinwonryu, not the whole tower. Obviously, as V said, everyone has "revolution" but not everyone can do it, and that does not mean that everyone's "revolution" is the same.

There is no evidence that after the revolution, V will be stronger than other GWs.
Plus, it's been thousands of years since V committed suicide, are you sure Zahard and the 10 FHs didn't get stronger during that time?

As for Urek, he might not be able to face prime Hon, but current Hon can stronger than V prime.

 

[V_TheHiddenAxis]

Urek fans mad coping

 

[Anne isn't a TT]

Here's my two cents on it.
I would say V- 101, Z-100, U-99 (power-wise)

Actually this is funny. Per alphabet, we would have U, V and then Z. Ofc, there's also J.

 

[Lonatian]

I'm a Zahard fan who is demanding justice for Urek from V fans

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Actually this is funny. Per alphabet, we would have U, V and then Z. Ofc, there's also J.

The name is strange too.
V was a nickname, but now it's like an official name. No one calls V by his real name, not even Arlene.
Zahard doesn't have a last name. Just Zahard.

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[Demonspeed]

Discussing about V's strength is always the same. He has nothing but the fandom wants to see him with rose tinted glasses because he is Baam's dad. Trying to argue that he is stronger than Zahard or was the true leader. The dude died and is supposedly in his son's body now. The only thing he got over Zahard is that he ended with Arlen. I am curious, do V fans who believe that he is stronger than Zahard think that he has more potential than Baam too? Urek's ability to match Zahard is acknowledged in-universe and the blog posts has Hon saying that he is superior to himself. All V has are ridiculous expectations from the fandom and he isn't even alive anymore. It's like what people are expecting from characters who have yet to appear like Adori and Enne. Urek has actual feats, a presence in the story and statements. It's like talking about polar opposites.

As an answer to the question posed for this discussion, It is difficult to say who would win in a fight between V and Urek. I believe that Urek was more powerful than V at a similar stage when they first entered the tower, If we are talking about sheer physical strength. Urek was also probably stronger than Zahard at the same comparable stage.

My money would go to V Prime however because he is a Strong Wave Controller while also being physically powerfull. To defeat Urek he would have to avoid Urek's blasts and blows, while unleashing Bangs on Urek. I think Urek's fight with Luslec show that he can be vulnerable to overpwering ranged attacks if those attacks can overcome his thick hide.

Also the FOD showed that Urek is at a disadvantage if someone could take over the Shinsu in an area, I suspect that V might have that ability as will Bam when he matures. Also I think V at his prime was alot smarter/intelligent than Urek, and probably had better fighting skill.

Urek was stronger than all Irregulars who entered the Tower besides Phanta and V. He was already very strong when he entered, the others had to grow while climbing and awakened their abilities.

V is not confirmed to be a Wave Controller, he was most likely a Fisherman or Scout because he has sword or needle as weapon. In theory, Fisherman is also considered to be the strongest Position. So, saying that he should be superior because he is supposedly a WC is also wrong.

Urek is most likely not stronger than Zahard physically. Physical abilities of the Zahard Princesses have been highlighted too much. They are even superior to the Ha in that department. He should definitely be the fastest though. I see Zahard and Urek as near equals with Zahard having the edge in physical strength and durability while the other is faster and has better mobility. Still, in the end, Zahard should be stronger.

 

[Ray Barracuda]

Here's my two cents on it.
I would say V- 101, Z-100, U-99 (power-wise)
V and Arlene were able to put up a fight against FHs because of the strong tower borns associated with them during the climb. Don't forget V also could share blue flame with his chosen companions which would protect them. Arlene was the best spell caster in the group. We all know how busty spells are in the tower. Luslec managed to put up a decent fight against Urek, now imagine what Arlene could have done with it.

This is what always stuck with me from the flashbacks. The fact that V was the first one to do the revolution and "thor" basically called him "User"
Now if this TOG story is part of the "Talse User Story" and the purpose of the tower is to create an axis, what if only "V" originally had the potential to become an axis among all the irregulars while Zahard's potential and fate were always to become king. What if Zahard closed the doors because in his jealousy he could not see V fulfilling his potential? He already took his girl, he couldn't let him surpass him. (But it's just my theory)

V's soul also said to Enkidu he was destined to climb the tower again. Now make of that what you will. I firmly believe at the end of this series Bam will become an axis by opening the closed doors and completing the climb.

Your theory falls massively flat from the first sentence.

The tower is one of the many stories in the Tales Uzer verse and flat out stated to be a small part of it, it's not a core story but simply one of many.


Also you don't need to be an axis to open the door as Enryu can do just that and he ain't no axis, you just need to beat Zahard and take the key from him which is what Baam is supposed to do.

Axis are actual gods with unknown origins, you don't make them by climbing the tower, how does than even connect?

Phanta for an example is an axis and a top five god within the entirety of Tales Uzer, Baam has no destiny as an axis.


He's simply gonna surpass Zahard, zero idea why people think he's gonna become the strongest in a verse full of may stories.

It's called tower of god, not tales user chronicles.



V is massively weaker than all family heads of current BTW, they haven't stopped growing and adding in power as they age.

 

[zoradante1]

Zahard stronger than Urek, sure. But V too? No reason for me to believe that as of now.

V and Arlen couldn't possibly "hold their own" in a straight battle even against three of the FHs.

i agree i think V zahard and urek are on same level but even i dont think arlene and v could hold their own againist just three FHs much less ten of them. I am not even sure if an adminstrator could beat 10 FHs and Z if he does let them control shinsuu.

Also i think ten FHs and Zahard are weaker than before, rei seems to give his power to his animas and he didnt fight for so long that he forgot he could even split spaces, their body might be stronger but i dont think they are sharp as they were back then.

 

[V_TheHiddenAxis]

Discussing about V's strength is always the same. He has nothing but the fandom wants to see him with rose tinted glasses because he is Baam's dad. Trying to argue that he is stronger than Zahard or was the true leader. The dude died and is supposedly in his son's body now. The only thing he got over Zahard is that he ended with Arlen. I am curious, do V fans who believe that he is stronger than Zahard think that he has more potential than Baam too? Urek's ability to match Zahard is acknowledged in-universe and the blog posts has Hon saying that he is superior to himself. All V has are ridiculous expectations from the fandom and he isn't even alive anymore. It's like what people are expecting from characters who have yet to appear like Adori and Enne. Urek has actual feats, a presence in the story and statements. It's like talking about polar opposites.




Urek was stronger than all Irregulars who entered the Tower besides Phanta and V. He was already very strong when he entered, the others had to grow while climbing and awakened their abilities.

V is not confirmed to be a Wave Controller, he was most likely a Fisherman or Scout because he has sword or needle as weapon. In theory, Fisherman is also considered to be the strongest Position. So, saying that he should be superior because he is supposedly a WC is also wrong.

Urek is most likely not stronger than Zahard physically. Physical abilities of the Zahard Princesses have been highlighted too much. They are even superior to the Ha in that department. He should definitely be the fastest though. I see Zahard and Urek as near equals with Zahard having the edge in physical strength and durability while the other is faster and has better mobility. Still, in the end, Zahard should be stronger.

Current Zahard = Hypothetical V had he didn't "die" and Kept on becoming stronger > current urek.

V was highlighted as leader alongside Zahard. Even data eduan highlights V. It was V who decided to share revo to zahard. V is very hyped.

 

[Anne isn't a TT]

I'm a Zahard fan who is demanding justice for Urek from V fans

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The name is strange too.
V was a nickname, but now it's like an official name. No one calls V by his real name, not even Arlene.
Zahard doesn't have a last name. Just Zahard.

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Yeah like I just reread FOD and there whenever V name is mentioned even in latest free chapters, there is always a dot like V. ,as With Mr. With how Garam said Viole comes from V., I wonder if V real name is Viole.

 

[Ray Barracuda]

As an answer to the question posed for this discussion, It is difficult to say who would win in a fight between V and Urek. I believe that Urek was more powerful than V at a similar stage when they first entered the tower, If we are talking about sheer physical strength. Urek was also probably stronger than Zahard at the same comparable stage.

My money would go to V Prime however because he is a Strong Wave Controller while also being physically powerfull. To defeat Urek he would have to avoid Urek's blasts and blows, while unleashing Bangs on Urek. I think Urek's fight with Luslec show that he can be vulnerable to overpwering ranged attacks if those attacks can overcome his thick hide.

Also the FOD showed that Urek is at a disadvantage if someone could take over the Shinsu in an area, I suspect that V might have that ability as will Bam when he matures. Also I think V at his prime was alot smarter/intelligent than Urek, and probably had better fighting skill.

Urek as a child was far greater than the guardian who gave V his strength and potential, stated not to need revolution because he was simply far too monstrous for revolution to have been of any effect.


How is V even getting compared with Urek from this point alone?


If Urek makes revolution irrelevant, the very same thing that makes Zahard and the FH's relevant today then what makes V the special exemption?


I find it very funny you talk about range even though Ureks punches aren't focused on one area, literally this chapter he showed an wide area of effect with a throw.


Urek can both focus and spread out his attack, and funny thing too again.


Urek is a fisherman, meaning he's the best at all areas if he wants to be, he can switch to whatever works best.

Zero idea once again how range is in discussion against Urek of all people, as if we didn't see him create a bang casually in FOD when Shinsoo restriction was released.


And another funny thing that you create the power of an administrator for V, fucking out of nowhere.


Yeah, V fans are simply not real ngl.


He's y'alls fanfic character that you can keep adding abilities to, very funny.

 

[Demonspeed]

Current Zahard = Hypothetical V had he didn't "die" and Kept on becoming stronger > current urek.

V was highlighted as leader alongside Zahard. Even data eduan highlights V. It was V who decided to share revo to zahard. V is very hyped.

I told this to paul already but he wasn't called leader. Zahard appointed him as co-leader for a specific moment. Both he and Zahard were acknowledged as the strongest in the flashback though. Eduan said that V was more fitting as King of the Tower, but Zahard was the leader and he wanted the old Zahard back. V was charismatic in a different way from Zahard. If Zahard was more of an adventurer, he was more of a politician. I never said V had no hype but it's exaggerated by many.

Even though they were the strongest, it's not been said that they were equals and we know that V is dead. People believe that Urek is able to defeat Zahard however. Same for Baam, and that was acknowledged by the data of both Zahard and Eduan. Considering their role in the story, there is no reason for Zahard to be inferior to V at all. Baam is supposed to do what the others couldn't.

 

[Lonatian]

Urek had an extremely strong starting point. He might weaker than Zahard because of the plot, Zahard was a more important character than him.

There was no way you could compare him to someone who died thousands of years ago.

Even if Urek lost to any family head now, it was because they were smarter than him (tricked him into some trap), not because they could win 1 vs 1.

 

[zoradante1]

V is massively weaker than all family heads of current BTW, they haven't stopped growing and adding in power as they age.

I disagree Family heads are massively weaker than before, rei gave most of his power to his anima and still didnt get back his power from leviathan, and gustang created people from his writings giving his power, both are massively weaker than before rei got a great power boost just from taking his power back(he still didnt get back from leviathan) imagine what he would do if he didnt give his power to leviathan. Zahard also probably got weaker by doing those prince of red light.

Also their body might be stronger yes but we dont know how much that affects them since their body are already at extremely high level, and even if they were physically much stronger they are not sharp as they were back then.

 

[Ray Barracuda]

Urek is most likely not stronger than Zahard physically. Physical abilities of the Zahard Princesses have been highlighted too much. They are even superior to the Ha in that department. He should definitely be the fastest though. I see Zahard and Urek as near equals with Zahard having the edge in physical strength and durability while the other is faster and has better mobility. Still, in the end, Zahard should be stronger.

I agree with the overall but this sorta fence sitting doesn't make sense ngl.

If reasoning for Urek being weaker than Zahard being because of the plot importance then what webtoon have people been reading?


Phanta is damn near irrelevant compared to Zahard in plot as is Enryu but both massively outrank him in power, same as the administrators and everything outside the tower.


Why is plot shield even relevant in the tower of god overall even though it separates itself so terribly from the generic formula of shonen.

Baam isn't gonna become the strongest, he's not even gonna get close to being so but he's the MC and the final villain is also not the strongest.



The clues are all there from day one suggesting that Urek is greater than Zahard, from his ties to Phanta of all people to other things like-


Point number one, his potential is far greater, don't event think this should be in contention in the slightest.


Point number two, revolution. Even Baam needed revolution and he's the greatest monster of potential in the series after Urek based on all criteria.


Heck, the very first person Baam gets compared to as a baseline to show he was special is Urek, both Baam and Urek were the only ones in history capable of manipulating shinsoo without an administrators contract.


Yet even he needed revolution unlike Urek, the only irregular to make revolution an irrelevant thing and even very much surpassed the guardian himself was Urek.



50 years, that is what it took Urek to surpass Arie Hon and yet somehow people wanna nerf his potential to the ground to make it seem like he absolutely didn't grow even after about 3 centuries or so.

His potential didn't slow down to a crawl, never once hinted at anywhere.


The dude with the most explosive and flat out near infinite potential in the series, how far ahead of Arie Hon do people believe Zahard to be for it to make sense.


Can't mid-diff him, he was challenged ten times for this very reason by Arie Hon even though he lost ten times too but this shows Arie comfortably knew he was within reach else dude won't waste time challenging him over and over again if he was getting low or mid-diffed.

Arie knows when to admit defeat once, did the same with Urek when he flat our admitted he was much better than him.


From the point of potential alone, Urek should so very much ahead but people keep nerfing his growth for some reason.


We have this blatant gem that exists.

 

[V_TheHiddenAxis]

I told this to paul already but he wasn't called leader. Zahard appointed him as co-leader for a specific moment. Both he and Zahard were acknowledged as the strongest in the flashback though. Eduan said that V was more fitting as King of the Tower, but Zahard was the leader and he wanted the old Zahard back. V was charismatic in a different way from Zahard. If Zahard was more of an adventurer, he was more of a politician. I never said V had no hype but it's exaggerated by many.

Even though they were the strongest, it's not been said that they were equals and we know that V is dead. People believe that Urek is able to defeat Zahard however. Same for Baam, and that was acknowledged by the data of both Zahard and Eduan. Considering their role in the story, there is no reason for Zahard to be inferior to V at all. Baam is supposed to do what the others couldn't.

Do you have urek above current Zahard? If not then my points hold true. All those things make it as V being zahard lite himself. Why do you think only V got the special treatment compared to any other FH?

 

[Ray Barracuda]

I disagree Family heads are massively weaker than before, rei gave most of his power to his anima and still didnt get back his power from leviathan, and gustang created people from his writings giving his power, both are massively weaker than before rei got a great power boost just from taking his power back(he still didnt get back from leviathan) imagine what he would do if he didnt give his power to leviathan. Zahard also probably got weaker by doing those prince of red light.

Also their body might be stronger yes but we dont know how much that affects them since their body are already at extremely high level, and even if they were physically much stronger they are not sharp as they were back then.

Nope, Arie Hon forever remains at his peak because he is always training in solitude.


Edhuan remains at his peak because he has a grudge against Urek for pushing him out of the top 5 and wants to fight him.


Ha is in isolation and most definitely at her peak too considering her greatest gift is her body, Gustang hasn't slowed down in activities.

He's always learning and adding to himself same as Zahard, the more his library expands the greater he becomes.

Traum split his power in four but still didn't stop growing, that's just how it is.

If his body grows so does Shinsoo, they're tied closely together here.


No arguments can be made really ngl, inactivity is nor grounds for stagnation.

 

[Lonatian]

Why is plot shield even relevant in the tower of god overall even though it separates itself so terribly from the generic formula of shonen.

I'll show you how the plot protected Zahard.

First, Phanta attacked the palace, but he only attacked a few "background characters", he didn't attack Zahard, and no princess was killed.

Second, Enryu attacked FoD because he didn't like what Zahard did. But he only bullied Zahard's subordinates, and left a thorn. He didn't attack Zahard either.

Third, Zahard is the only person in the story who is confirmed to be unharmed by towerborns. This is more meaningful than being killed, even wanting to hurt Zahard is impossible.

Finally, even Hockney's eyes, the power that can be called related to Enryu, can't see Zahard's future (even as a data). Meanwhile, Hockney can see Urek and Baam's future.

 

[zoradante1]

Nope, Arie Hon forever remains at his peak because he is always training in solitude.

Evidence?

Edhuan remains at his peak because he has a grudge against Urek for pushing him out of the top 5 and wants to fight him.

Evidence?