Urek vs Eduan and Arie hon

[V_TheHiddenAxis]

--From recent developments its seems SIU is creating a big disparity between Family head's power levels given even a small spark of blossom's flames was dominating traumerie.

--Urek doesn't seem to have any problems going 2v1 against traumerei and gustang. He also got the accolade of "the strongest" in recent chapters and that no one can beat him in a fight.

--He is also ranked higher than any FHs. So can he beat arguably the two strongest FH in 2v1?

Thoughts?

 

[maverickframe_19]

No, he cannot.
He should not. Because if he could do that, then it would make no sense for him not to challenge Zahard, beat him, open the next floor after 135, and leave the tower (which is his original goal)
Now still I would wait to see how he does 2v1 against Traumerei and Gustang, if he mid diffs them, then we would be absolutely sure that there is a power discrepancy among FHs (on a good scale relatively)
Hope you understand my point.

 

[Anne isn't a TT]

Even as a UM bro, I wouldn't think that far

 

[Ray Barracuda]

Because if he could do that, then it would make no sense for him not to challenge Zahard, beat him, open the next floor after 135, and leave the tower (which is his original goal)

It seems you did not read the fine print.

First introduction to Urek Mazino in this webtoon he stated he had no interest in beating Zahard, that would mean becoming king of the tower and he has no interest in that seat because it would mean he's stuck permanently.

In his own words, "Zahard can keep his little seat".

This is very same reason why he refuses Garams wish even though he loves her a lot.

Jesus man.

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Eitherway, we'll know eventually when we get to that point if it arrives that is.


If SIU keeps on track with his Urek wank like these past few chapters then maybe, if he doesn't then maybe not.

Seems he's intent on creating power chasms between the top though, will know eventually where that ends up with Urek in scale.

For now it's sure he wouldn't run away from them both if even they attacked him no matter the conclusion.

 

[V_TheHiddenAxis]

No, he cannot.
He should not. Because if he could do that, then it would make no sense for him not to challenge Zahard, beat him, open the next floor after 135, and leave the tower (which is his original goal)
Now still I would wait to see how he does 2v1 against Traumerei and Gustang, if he mid diffs them, then we would be absolutely sure that there is a power discrepancy among FHs (on a good scale relatively)
Hope you understand my point.

I mean it can be zahard >= Urek > Eduan + Hon. Plus zahard has much stronger army in general most likely.

 

[maverickframe_19]

I mean it can be zahard >= Urek > Eduan + Hon. Plus zahard has much stronger army in general most likely.

Zahard being that strong (Eduan + Hon) I just don't see it.
They were pretty equivalent to each other on the data floor.
Zahard is stronger, Yes. But that much stronger, Certainly no.

 

[Demonspeed]

If Urek can beat both Gustang and Traumerei at the same time, then he can beat these two as well.

 

[V_TheHiddenAxis]

If Urek can beat both Gustang and Traumerei at the same time, then he can beat these two as well.

You don't think there will be a gap in power between eduan/hon and traum/gustang?

 

[Demonspeed]

You don't think there will be a gap in power between eduan/hon and traum/gustang?

Yes, but not enough to make a difference. If Urek can beat 2 FHs, he can beat them regardless of the combinations excepted maybe if they have some incredible synergy like maybe against Eduan and Bloodmadder.

 

[VON]

If Urek can beat both Gustang and Traumerei at the same time, then he can beat these two as well.

that would imply Urek could probably take on two Zahard at the same time as well.

 

[Demonspeed]

that would imply Urek could probably take on two Zahard at the same time as well.

Obviously not. I am not including Zahard there.

 

[VON]

Obviously not. I am not including Zahard there.

If Urek could beat Hon and Eduan together, he can probably take on two Zahard as well. We know Eduan can at least be competitive to Zahard and Hon is even stronger than Eduan.

 

[zoradante1]

Yes, but not enough to make a difference. If Urek can beat 2 FHs, he can beat them regardless of the combinations excepted maybe if they have some incredible synergy like maybe against Eduan and Bloodmadder.

Nobody except for adminstrators,Enryuu and Phanta can defeat two Zahard level fighters, Hon and Eduan are quite equal to zahard with a slight superiority for zahard, zahard cant even beat eduan or hon without losing an arm at least from the the way i see it. Eduan pretty much withstood his attacks and even pushed him back when he was trying to kill baam, There is only slight difference between Zahard,V,Urek,Hon and Eduan, we know hon and eduan are slightly weaker but so much weaker to a point Urek could take two of them at once? Nah, If that was the case Hon would never challenge Zahard ten times, that means he was relatively close to beating him but ultimately he was not able to do. Unless enryuu comes nobody is beating two of them together.

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Also both Rei and Gustang are not at their peak currently, Rei didnt get his biggest power-up from Levi, and Gustang is most likely shared his power with his writings as well, i doubt Urek would be able to beat both of them at their peak so casually.

 

[Demonspeed]

If Urek could beat Hon and Eduan together, he can probably take on two Zahard as well. We know Eduan can at least be competitive to Zahard and Hon is even stronger than Eduan.

I don't understand that logic. Hon and Eduan aren't paired with Zahard when it comes to talent and/or strength. Zahard is with Baam, Urek and V.

Zahard beat Hon 10 times in a row before. Data Eduan admitted that only Baam had the potential to defeat Zahard. Hon said that Urek was superior to him.

If you believe that Urek is able to defeat 2 FHs(Traumerei and Gustang), then Zahard should be able to do so as well. It'll simply mean that they became that much stronger now.

Zahard and Urek>>>> Hon, Eduan and Yurin> the rest makes much more sense than >Zahard and Urek>Hon, Eduan and Yurin>>>>>> the rest.

Nobody except for adminstrators,Enryuu and Phanta can defeat two Zahard level fighters, Hon and Eduan are quite equal to zahard with a slight superiority for zahard, zahard cant even beat eduan or hon without losing an arm at least from the the way i see it. Eduan pretty much withstood his attacks and even pushed him back when he was trying to kill baam, There is only slight difference between Zahard,V,Urek,Hon and Eduan, we know hon and eduan are slightly weaker but so much weaker to a point Urek could take two of them at once? Nah, If that was the case Hon would never challenge Zahard ten times, that means he was relatively close to beating him but ultimately he was not able to do. Unless enryuu comes nobody is beating two of them together.

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Also both Rei and Gustang are not at their peak currently, Rei didnt get his biggest power-up from Levi, and Gustang is most likely shared his power with his writings as well, i doubt Urek would be able to beat both of them at their peak so casually.

What is Zahard level fighter though? FH tier, right? But then if Urek can beat two FHs, how could Zahard, their leader and the obvious final boss, not be able to do the same? Eduan and Hon can't be so strong that they would push Zahard to an extreme level of difficulty.

Nothing was said about the gap between Zahard and Hon. Losing 10 times in a row means that Zahard is definitely superior. Traumerei said he is at full power and he has a WD to replace Leviathan. He'll never get him again. He decided to use Leviathan as hard drive eons ago. Gustang doesn't share his powers, some of his writings have inferior version of his abilities.

 

[VON]

I don't understand that logic. Hon and Eduan aren't paired with Zahard when it comes to talent and/or strength. Zahard is with Baam, Urek and V.

Zahard beat Hon 10 times in a row before. Data Eduan admitted that only Baam had the potential to defeat Zahard. Hon said that Urek was superior to him.

If you believe that Urek is able to defeat 2 FHs(Traumerei and Gustang), then Zahard should be able to do so as well. It'll simply mean that they became that much stronger now.

Zahard and Urek>>>> Hon, Eduan and Yurin> the rest makes much more sense than >Zahard and Urek>Hon, Eduan and Yurin>>>>>> the rest.




What is Zahard level fighter though? FH tier, right? But then if Urek can beat two FHs, how could Zahard, their leader and the obvious final boss, not be able to do the same? Eduan and Hon can't be so strong that they would push Zahard to an extreme level of difficulty.

Nothing was said about the gap between Zahard and Hon. Losing 10 times in a row means that Zahard is definitely superior. Traumerei said he is at full power and he has a WD to replace Leviathan. He'll never get him again. He decided to use Leviathan as hard drive eons ago. Gustang doesn't share his powers, some of his writings have inferior version of his abilities.

I also don’t understand your logic of the plausibility of Urek beating Hon and Eduan together if he could beat Traumerei and Gustang together. It doesn’t add up.

Zahard is definitively stronger, yes but not to the extent it would be anything less than very high difficulty for individual fights with either Hon or Eduan.

If Urek could truly beat two FHs together, he’s unique. That would simply solidify his standing to be beyond Zahard altogether. The evidences are already pretty damning that Urek is beyond the original 13 as per the data world and his background lore.

 

[zoradante1]

I don't understand that logic. Hon and Eduan aren't paired with Zahard when it comes to talent and/or strength. Zahard is with Baam, Urek and V.

Zahard beat Hon 10 times in a row before. Data Eduan admitted that only Baam had the potential to defeat Zahard. Hon said that Urek was superior to him.

If you believe that Urek is able to defeat 2 FHs(Traumerei and Gustang), then Zahard should be able to do so as well. It'll simply mean that they became that much stronger now.

Zahard and Urek>>>> Hon, Eduan and Yurin> the rest makes much more sense than >Zahard and Urek>Hon, Eduan and Yurin>>>>>> the rest.

you dont challenge a guy whom you lost ten times againist unless you were extremely close to him

Then explain how Eduan fought Z at equal grounds if he is much weaker to a point he could lose even if he paired up with strongest FH. Data Eduan was already pushing him back, add Hon to combo, there you go no-diff for hon and eduan.

We already know there is a big difference in power among FHs that is mainly because of positions(gustang is support and rei is anima) as well a talent, blossom's a tiny spark of flame made gustang go from below Rei to above Rei, Eduan and Hon are pretty equal to Blossom if not stronger, then explain how can urek beat both hon and eduan at the same time?

From my understanding due to difference in positions and power, Blossom,Yurin,Eduan,Hon,Z,V,Urek should be able to beat Rei and Gustang at the same time.

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If zahard can defeat both of his strongest Companion at the same time, they are not equal, yet zahard acknowledges FH's as his equal

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Gustang and Blossom combo would likely beat all of them except for enryuu and phanta as ell as adminstrators though, one is best support WW other is best offensive WW,i dont see Z,V and urek beating both of them.

 

[maverickframe_19]

I agree with the rest of the members except @Demonspeed
I guess he's willing to die on this hill until proven otherwise in the story. Fair enough. But we'll know for sure when Urek takes on both of them.
I am pretty sure Urek will mid-diff both of them, But everything depends on SIU's pen.
However, from recent showings, I am willing to gamble that SIU is definitely introducing a hierarchy among FHs.

 

[Demonspeed]

I also don’t understand your logic of the plausibility of Urek beating Hon and Eduan together if he could beat Traumerei and Gustang together. It doesn’t add up.

Zahard is definitively stronger, yes but not to the extent it would be anything less than very high difficulty for individual fights with either Hon or Eduan.

If Urek could truly beat two FHs together, he’s unique. That would simply solidify his standing to be beyond Zahard altogether. The evidences are already pretty damning that Urek is beyond the original 13 as per the data world and his background lore.

When Urek VS Zahard will happen(it definitely will) do you really think he is going to stomp Zahard?

When Urek entered the HF he wasn't a young boy. He was strong already.

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you dont challenge a guy whom you lost ten times againist unless you were extremely close to him

Then explain how Eduan fought Z at equal grounds if he is much weaker to a point he could lose even if he paired up with strongest FH. Data Eduan was already pushing him back, add Hon to combo, there you go no-diff for hon and eduan.

We already know there is a big difference in power among FHs that is mainly because of positions(gustang is support and rei is anima) as well a talent, blossom's a tiny spark of flame made gustang go from below Rei to above Rei, Eduan and Hon are pretty equal to Blossom if not stronger, then explain how can urek beat both hon and eduan at the same time?

From my understanding due to difference in positions and power, Blossom,Yurin,Eduan,Hon,Z,V,Urek should be able to beat Rei and Gustang at the same time.

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If zahard can defeat both of his strongest Companion at the same time, they are not equal, yet zahard acknowledges FH's as his equal

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Gustang and Blossom combo would likely beat all of them except for enryuu and phanta as ell as adminstrators though, one is best support WW other is best offensive WW,i dont see Z,V and urek beating both of them.

Did you ever play or watch competitive games or tournaments? Using FGC as example, if two players at a similar skill level have a FT10, there is no way Player 1 will win 10-0 if their skill level is similar. It's way too one sided.

Zahard and Eduan were "equally matched" but they only fought for a brief amount of time. Who said that only Baam can be him outside? It's Data Eduan himself. Who knows how strong they became after this? Only SIU.

I never thought there was a big power gap between FHs before. All I was certain of was that Zahard was comfortably above the others, but not enough to beat one with ease. If, and only if Urek is able to beat two however, then it means that Zahard can too. Not the others however. The idea that Hon could defeat any FH with ease is ridiculous to me.

 

[VON]

When Urek VS Zahard will happen(it definitely will) do you really think he is going to stomp Zahard?

When Urek entered the HF he wasn't a young boy. He was strong already.

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Did you ever play or watch competitive games or tournaments? Using FGC as example, if two players at a similar skill level have a FT10, there is no way Player 1 will win 10-0 if their skill level is similar. It's way too one sided.

Zahard and Eduan were "equally matched" but they only fought for a brief amount of time. Who said that only Baam can be him outside? It's Data Eduan himself. Who knows how strong they became after this? Only SIU.

I never thought there was a big power gap between FHs before. All I was certain of was that Zahard was comfortably above the others, but not enough to beat one with ease. If, and only if Urek is able to beat two however, then it means that Zahard can too. Not the others however. The idea that Hon could defeat any FH with ease is ridiculous to me.

I'm been saying that would come to happen if you believe Urek could beat Hon and Eduan at the same time.

I obviously don't believe it.

 

[zoradante1]

Did you ever play or watch competitive games or tournaments? Using FGC as example, if two players at a similar skill level have a FT10, there is no way Player 1 will win 10-0 if their skill level is similar. It's way too one sided.

Zahard and Eduan were "equally matched" but they only fought for a brief amount of time. Who said that only Baam can be him outside? It's Data Eduan himself. Who knows how strong they became after this? Only SIU.

I never thought there was a big power gap between FHs before. All I was certain of was that Zahard was comfortably above the others, but not enough to beat one with ease. If, and only if Urek is able to beat two however, then it means that Zahard can too. Not the others however. The idea that Hon could defeat any FH with ease is ridiculous to me.

Your words does not matter. Only feats does matter. Data Eduan was pretty confident on making baam and rest of the team reach his place even while fighting data Z, there is absolutely nothing indicates that Zahard grew much more than Eduan did if that was the case then Zahard would grow to a point where he could take on 10 FHs at once if enough time passed which is not true. Hon lost to Z ten times, do you think you would challenge a guy that can beat two professional fighter at once assuming you are roughly same level as them? No. Simple as that, hon challenged Z because he thought he grew stronger than him only to be get defeated by Z again and again.

Nobody outside of Enryuu and phanta is taking on Hon and Eduan at the same time. Not Z, not V, not Urek we are talking about fighters who are pretty much on their league with a slight difference.

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I'm been saying that would come to happen if you believe Urek could beat Hon and Eduan at the same time.

I obviously don't believe it.

If Urek can defeat Hon and Eduan at the same time, Eduan would not wanted to fight Urek in the first place, i think demonspeed has gone insane.