Games Mafia Game 125 - PSYCHO-PAN - End Game

[GrySun]

Now instead of my "lack of motivation" you noticed the early agreement to claim. Nice focus shift there.

Yeah one was going off of memory, and the other a proper backread.

 

[Vandred]

Okay so it's also a 50/50 for Analysts, with wojak, shinobi, Sam and Lambu.
Possibly the current most scummy-looking bunch based on playstyle alone for me lol, with shinobi and Sam slightly above wojak and Lambu. Need to reread a bit.

Sorting out the MA 50/50 is more efficient for today (turns into a 100% tomorrow even if we mislynch, whereas for Analysts it turns into a 66%), speaking from an unbiased perspective /3\

 

[GrySun]

And despite Vand at first woo-ing me with his momentum of a counter claimer, I wrote down negatives about you both that I remembered from the top of my head and went from there.

 

[Juviii]

Okay so it's also a 50/50 for Analysts, with wojak, shinobi, Sam and Lambu.
Possibly the current most scummy-looking bunch based on playstyle alone for me lol, with shinobi and Sam slightly above wojak and Lambu. Need to reread a bit.

Sorting out the MA 50/50 is more efficient for today (turns into a 100% tomorrow even if we mislynch, whereas for Analysts it turns into a 66%), speaking from an unbiased perspective /3\

Why Shino?

 

[GrySun]

So among Wojak, Sam and shino there‘s 2. If you believe super late claimer Lambu, though given he kinda started the claiming ideas that gives him some extra credit.

Wojak has his odd way of claiming(but in hindsight this isnt anything bad at all) and shino kinda stalled with the claim.

I‘d order them like this: Wojak>Lambu>shino>Sam

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Okay so it's also a 50/50 for Analysts, with wojak, shinobi, Sam and Lambu.
Possibly the current most scummy-looking bunch based on playstyle alone for me lol, with shinobi and Sam slightly above wojak and Lambu. Need to reread a bit.

Sorting out the MA 50/50 is more efficient for today (turns into a 100% tomorrow even if we mislynch, whereas for Analysts it turns into a 66%), speaking from an unbiased perspective /3\

Another point in favor of sorting out the MAs is, Analysts could confirm themselves or a mafia with their findings, and the liars among them will have to manually calculate and could screw up the points.
Enforcers cant do that, but mafia will thin out this pool of players for us.

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MAs meanwhile only have their own words, so unless hearing me or Vand speak more days would make a difference, sorting this earlier makes things simpler overall.

 

[Vandred]

Okay rereading wojak's posts there's a massive red flag, which is his voting Sam before leaving the thread despite Lambu not having appeared to claim Analyst yet, as if wojak knew their 3/3 category would become a 4/3.

Why Shino?

Felt like she was just stalling the reveal without knowing what to do, only deciding after seeing everyone was going to do it. Rereading it doesn't look as bad as wojak, I put her in the same bag as Sam at the moment.

 

[GrySun]

Okay rereading wojak's posts there's a massive red flag, which is his voting Sam before leaving the thread despite Lambu not having appeared to claim Analyst yet, as if wojak knew their 3/3 category would become a 4/3.

Analyst cap is 2 not 3.

 

[Vandred]

Analyst cap is 2 not 3.

...Right @3@
Back to reassessing again.

 

[Lambu]

So Bran is confirmed asymptomatic and Erin and DD confirmed Inspectors, not accounting for potential secondary roles in the mix, there could be a traitor in this game if Pan saw this reveal train coming, if not then they are clear, something to keep in mind as we go.

3/2 Analyst: First Wojak(kinda), second shinobi, third Sam
4/3 Enforcer: First Evil, second Farf, third Holt, fourth Tatsumaki
3/2 Ministry Agents: First Gry, second Juviii, third Vandred

I dont like any of the Analysts, but if I had to pick one right off the bat it would be Sam despite the justified inactivity. Shino seems avoidant on purpose until the trend exploded and wojak did give a straightforward hint, yet did not confirm till later, lots of filler input except a quick analysis on Gry aka fake activity.

For Enforcers I would let the idea of Evil being the mole to rest, but not discard it, he's proven to be a fast thinker so claiming early could have been a winner play. Farf seems serious but advocating for cooperation. Holt and Tatsu are the odd ones for sure and for similar reasons, could be any of the two.

For the Vanillas, I like how both Van and Gry assumed Juvi is good after quick fact check, which Im not even sure I get lol (please explain). Both are remarkable at pulling the heartstrings of this birb so its hard to level the balance. Van feels like acting in good faith through most of his interactions compared to Gry, but Gry also presented the main case for reveals and adamantly defended its benefits, just not right off the bat, he's extremely active and sowing interactions too, just looking a tad bit (mis)leading into trains of thought and suspicions.

 

[Tatsumaki]

I am inclined to trust all the ones that claimed first their role, so Brand, Evil, Erin, Wojak, and well, myself, but Juviii was quite close by

I'm not sure this is something reliable on the contrary since everyone has the full role list. Placing yourself first on a currently unclaimed role is the best course of action for trust purpose.

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The 4 analyst claim is so weird, why would two mafo claim that ??? Of course one is the red analyst but why would his colleague also claim analyst and put both of them in even more trouble ?
Kinda tends to make me think that wojak or shino could be a latent criminal or asymptomatic boss that wrongly decided to claim analyst and put late claimer Sam or lambu red analyst in trouble ? Idk

Edit : "?"

 

[Evil3ye]

Ok, full list with time of claim established:

1/1 Asymptomatic Agent - Brandish (#32) < - uncontested
2/2 Inspector, - Erin (#42), digital (#69) < - uncontested
4/2 Analyst, - wojak (#70), shinobu (#82), Sam (#143), Lambu (#154) <- 2 mafias
4/3 Enforcer, - Evil (#19), Farf (#48), Holt (#100), Tatsu (#118) <- 1 mafia
3/2 Ministry Agent, - Gry (#33), Juvii (#40), Van (#83) < - 1 mafia

Definitely the worst looking group is the anal one. The most trust I have into Lambu, the other three look equally bad for me right now. wojak claim confusing i cannot really share, as he pretty early let me know that he already hinted (his third post) and it was easy to figure out he ment his second post.

Agent group seems to be between Gry and Van, but why not juvi? I didn't really understand the conversation about their PM content and why her hint would exclude the mafia alignment. I would need to double check the Van motivation posts, but Gry I can also see being a quick witted mafia who tries to early claim and show his team to do the same in the situation. big shrug so far, but also a mislynch in this group is fairly manageable due to role-relevance.

I would like to be a little bit selfish and also argue to post-pone the Enforcer battle. We will be pretty ealy on the mafia hit list and the % of the right kill will keep rising naturally. But from the other three, I would put Farfalla into the more trusted and Holt and Tatsu into less trusted list so far.

 

[Tatsumaki]

That reasoning makes me want to vote wojak. But he isn't here to defend himself anymore it seems.

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Votekill wojak
I also find his posts too detached.
+ I want to move from Farfalla cause even if she's candidate for fake enforcer I don't have a great read on her yet and we kind of agreed the enforcer case could wait for D2 or something.

 

[Evil3ye]

even if she's candidate for fake enforcer

So, did you make a sense of how to use the Enforcer role yet?

 

[Farfalla]

With 2 scums among the Analysts, I guess they'll kill among those or the confirmed ones (Bran, DD, Erin) initially cause if they kill an Enforcer the card house will come down (that's considering the D1 lynch as a vanilla). And I guess they'll resort to Janitors in general cause it has become a mind chess now and any source doubt will be needed on their side.
Through luck they put themselves in that position with the Enforcer fake claim lmao, now instead of just easily offing any of us with the Escort, they gotta think twice while we attempt for kill blocks. Quite sweet, I'd say.
Idk who I trust less among Tatsu and Holt - tho Tatsu looks solid so far, but I'm fine with Evil and his early claim + how he's playing.

Among the Analysts, I don't rly trust Wojak. That sequence was bizarre. Sure, to some it might look like "I like anal" = Anaylist for sure, but he saw there were doubts and people directly connecting him to Enforcer and he said nothing to correct it. When I specifically asked him to confirm the claim, he said "it's confirmed". I got frustrated I didn't word it more objectively but uh... It looks weird to me that it took so many attempts and misconnections for him to finally say it's Analysts (and that happened once we had "5" Enforcers and before we had a clash among the Analysts).

And I'm setting myself up for a miserable end of day, but I think I trust Van over Gry. Gry's initial post indeed can be seen as an attempt to set direction to other members and even comments like the one that we shouldn't have fake Inspectors cause they can't falsely day claim could be a care signal. Some other comments like how thx to Juvs his battle with Van got cut down (when it should have intensified cause now it's just the two of them?) and that he couldn't focus on other things because of his situation just didn't look very throughout/townish to me. And it took me a lot to write those down cause I don't wanna make the same mistake again, but idk what to do if not say what I think now when I do agree we should pick one of the 2 to lynch. A pity you guys are in this situation and so soon as well.

 

[Lambu]

Definitely the worst looking group is the anal one. The most trust I have into Lambu, the other three look equally bad for me right now. wojak claim confusing i cannot really share, as he pretty early let me know that he already hinted (his third post) and it was easy to figure out he ment his second post.

I agree lynching one of the eggplant enjoyers is a good path to take, but the thing about wojak is not the hint itself, his second post was obviously it, what was confusing was the reluctance to confirm it since he could have also turned towards enforcer, yet did not openly confirm the analyst status till both Holt and Tatsu were out in the open as claimed enforcers.

As for the Van and Gry agreement on Juvi being town it appears to come from this

I kinda left an easter egg in my previous answer to you so you can understand i'm town in my previous answer. A real ministry agent would be able to get the hint once is stated. But maybe i'm being too Crescent Jinx here.

I'm fairly sure I understand what you mean but we really shouldn't go into that territory...

Then Gry doubles down and agrees that just proves its either him or Van, which is pretty damn sketchy ngl

 

[Farfalla]

(please explain)

Nah, let that rest so we don't end up with hostkills.

 

[GrySun]

To Lambu/Farf, I‘m the real MA and not Vand, but its 2am and I‘m not sure what else I can say to improve my standing. My posts as mafia are more slowly crafted, I dont blurt out posts like I did this game with things like when Vand first claimed etc. Thoughts too sloppy.

Some other comments like how thx to Juvs his battle with Van got cut down (when it should have intensified cause now it's just the two of them?)

No, what ruined it is knowing 100% Vand is mafia, rather than us having logical arguing over which of us 3 is scum it becomes an automatic „its Vand“ and at that point any mystery is gone.

 

[Farfalla]

3/2 Ministry Agent, - Gry (#33), Juvii (#40), Van (#83) < - 1 mafia

Ain't it safe to remove Juvs as sus (not counting secondaries as well) since both Van and Gry acknowledged she's clean?

 

[Lambu]

Nah, let that rest so we don't end up with hostkills.

Yeah I didnt get to see it till I read the convo a second time

 

[Evil3ye]

A pity you guys are in this situation and so soon as well.

So you also lean towards agent lynch instead of analyst?

Gry had a point though in saying that fake anals will have to guess some results in the following night and might mess up, allbeit there is really only one fake, as the other is M.anal and gets real results, so mess-up margin is quite low as the fake once would also know who is a night role and can generate points and who is not. However, the fact that he also argues to lynch an agent today, puts himself more at risk, a little bit speaks for him being at the very least selfless and a team mafia player