Current Baam runs a gauntlet

[V_TheHiddenAxis]

His opponents --

--Evankhell
--Full power White
--Po Bidau Lyborick
--Kallavan
--Yama
--Kirin

No heals. Where does Baam stops?

 

[Shadowlord123]

Taking the strongest form shown with Leviathan, pretty good chance he doesn't get past Kirin.

Granted, I think the LPB counterpart of Dumas is Robadon, with Kirin being significantly weaker (shown in his fight against Robadon), so Baam might make it more competitive. I still wouldn't give him the benefit of the doubt against any Regent Tier though.

If by some chance he were to get past Kirin, he's way too injured to survive Current Yama.

 

[maverickframe_19]

His durability is insane. But it's to be expected from an irregular, isn't it?
I still don't know why people say Leviathan form Bam is the strongest. Not for me. His strongest form is always when he releases his black shinshoo. Do you guys remember that black shinshoo orb eating away at all the shinshoo on the floor? But for some reason, extreme rage or resentment triggers it. Que the "V" music.

Bam is serious when he ignites his thorn and pierces himself. That's when he goes all out. His fight against data Zahard is his true potential self.
In the future, he just needs to incorporate that with his other power-ups.
Besides Leviathan is Traumerei's power. He lends it to Baam. Baam power is more destructive and just like Data Eduan, Data Zahard said. He has the power of an administrator.
People really forget what he was doing in season 2.
I put the blame on SIU for portraying him like that this season.
I am starting to understand @King Dryst frustration.

 

[V_TheHiddenAxis]

His durability is insane. But it's to be expected from an irregular, isn't it?
I still don't know why people say Leviathan form Bam is the strongest. Not for me. His strongest form is always when he releases his black shinshoo. Do you guys remember that black shinshoo orb eating away at all the shinshoo on the floor? But for some reason, extreme rage or resentment triggers it. Que the "V" music.

Bam is serious when he ignites his thorn and pierces himself. That's when he goes all out. His fight against data Zahard is his true potential self.
In the future, he just needs to incorporate that with his other power-ups.
Besides Leviathan is Traumerei's power. He lends it to Baam. Baam power is more destructive and just like Data Eduan, Data Zahard said. He has the power of an administrator.
People really forget what he was doing in season 2.
I put the blame on SIU for portraying him like that this season.
I am starting to understand @King Dryst frustration.

I think it will make baam too OP and hence he keeps it under wraps. So you think he clears if he uses his all?

 

[zoradante1]

Taking the strongest form shown with Leviathan, pretty good chance he doesn't get past Kirin.

Granted, I think the LPB counterpart of Dumas is Robadon, with Kirin being significantly weaker (shown in his fight against Robadon), so Baam might make it more competitive. I still wouldn't give him the benefit of the doubt against any Regent Tier though.

If by some chance he were to get past Kirin, he's way too injured to survive Current Yama.

dark change is stronger than leviathan form though, his true power is greater leviathan's, he was manhandling a White who was stronger than when he faced kallavan, also even without raw power, baam is significantly more OP just due to hax, i dont see even dumas with his armor beating dark change baam much less kirin who is most likely weaker than dumas. guy was blocking white's strongest sword his body and didnt even suffer a stratch, even if dumas can beat JJ and 3 others at the same time i dont see him beating baam, since the longer fight goes the weaker dumas will get.

Also i would put yama ahead of kirin, kirin is most likely not at a regent level just between CC-Regent tier, robadon seems much stronger even without going all-out

 

[maverickframe_19]

I think it will make baam too OP and hence he keeps it under wraps. So you think he clears if he uses his all?

100% yes. Bro that transcendental stardust move was shaking the whole hidden floor. The shinshoo was trembling. Proper Hell Joe shit.

 

[zoradante1]

100% yes. Bro that transcendental stardust move was shaking the whole hidden floor. The shinshoo was trembling. Proper Hell Joe shit.

the skill we didnt even see once since s3, even king Z was using golden needle from the time when he was just D-rank regular but baam is not using star dust...

 

[Demonspeed]

He loses to Kirin and Yama for sure. Feats-wise he is above Kallavan as of now and I don't see how he'd lose to Lyborick.

He probably beats White? But Evankhell's full power has yet to be seen(although she was kinda intimidated by White). By full power I mean when she is fully decompressed.

 

[maverickframe_19]

the skill we didnt even see once since s3, even king Z was using golden needle from the time when he was just D-rank regular but baam is not using star dust...

Even I don't know why he didn't use that this season. That triple-orb transcendental move with thorn piercing was fucking clean man. Maybe SIU forgot, or he might be saving it for a bigger fight.
I would encourage everyone to read that Data Zahard vs Baam fight again. Some perspectives might be changed. To be honest for me to say this, it means that the author is doing a bad job regarding Baam and we as a fanbase have to rationalise his work.

Triple Orb - First Thorn Fragment Transcendental Skill: Remnants of Stars - Stardust Post Revolution

At first usable only after fully igniting the first Thorn fragment, Baam creates three Shinwonryu Orbs which unleashes a massive explosive wave. When used against the data of young Zahard, it not only blocked Zahard's ignition weapon's third form, but also knocked both Zahard and Baam unconscious for several minutes. It also managed to damage Kallavan even if only slightly, making the wound he received from Jinsung worse. By Part III, Baam was able to make use of this technique while only in his Post Revolution form and it's power in this form alone has already increased enough to where it managed to break through Kallavan's defenses and damage him.

Just for context.

 

[Shadowlord123]

dark change is stronger than leviathan form though, his true power is greater leviathan's, he was manhandling a White who was stronger than when he faced kallavan, also even without raw power, baam is significantly more OP just due to hax, i dont see even dumas with his armor beating dark change baam much less kirin who is most likely weaker than dumas. guy was blocking white's strongest sword his body and didnt even suffer a stratch, even if dumas can beat JJ and 3 others at the same time i dont see him beating baam, since the longer fight goes the weaker dumas will get.

Also i would put yama ahead of kirin, kirin is most likely not at a regent level just between CC-Regent tier, robadon seems much stronger even without going all-out

I don't think Dark Change is stronger than Leviathan form. Dumas is leagues above CC Tiers. More specifically, the all-out version of the real Dumas would turn any CC Tier into fodder.

Leviathan Baam, while not comparable, could still somewhat damage and annoy him, which is already more than what Jinsung, Karaka, and Yama put together accomplished against an immensely weaker version of him.

Dark Change is strong, don't get me wrong. But as strong or stronger than Dumas? I don't see it. Not by a long shot. His best feat is being stronger than White, but only to a point where White can still keep up and somewhat hold on. Dumas' armored self already looks more impressive, nevermind the real Dumas who's much stronger than that.

 

[Demonspeed]

Hmmm, Dark Change is probably stronger than anything Baam has been showing recently. If it is then he loses to everyone but Lyborick and Kallavan. Maybe he beats Evankhell as well.

 

[zoradante1]

Even I don't know why he didn't use that this season. That triple-orb transcendental move with thorn piercing was fucking clean man. Maybe SIU forgot, or he might be saving it for a bigger fight.
I would encourage everyone to read that Data Zahard vs Baam fight again. Some perspectives might be changed. To be honest for me to say this, it means that the author is doing a bad job regarding Baam and we as a fanbase have to rationalise his work.

Triple Orb - First Thorn Fragment Transcendental Skill: Remnants of Stars - Stardust Post Revolution

At first usable only after fully igniting the first Thorn fragment, Baam creates three Shinwonryu Orbs which unleashes a massive explosive wave. When used against the data of young Zahard, it not only blocked Zahard's ignition weapon's third form, but also knocked both Zahard and Baam unconscious for several minutes. It also managed to damage Kallavan even if only slightly, making the wound he received from Jinsung worse. By Part III, Baam was able to make use of this technique while only in his Post Revolution form and it's power in this form alone has already increased enough to where it managed to break through Kallavan's defenses and damage him.

Just for context.

what i am wondering is SIU says baam cant use freely but he used it againist rachel as well as rankers at last station when he woke up afer hidden floor though, thorn piercing was also something that was forgotten. i mean i would rather have him just in base form at CC tier with no external powers ever than going close to FH level with countless external powers he forgets to use.

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I don't think Dark Change is stronger than Leviathan form. Dumas is leagues above CC Tiers. More specifically, the all-out version of the real Dumas would turn any CC Tier into fodder.

Leviathan Baam, while not comparable, could still somewhat damage and annoy him, which is already more than what Jinsung, Karaka, and Yama put together accomplished against an immensely weaker version of him.

Dark Change is strong, don't get me wrong. But as strong or stronger than Dumas? I don't see it. Not by a long shot. His best feat is being stronger than White, but only to a point where White can still keep up and somewhat hold on. Dumas' armored self already looks more impressive, nevermind the real Dumas who's much stronger than that.

Karaka is barely BH tier and yama at that time was barely CC tier, JJ is also barely CC tier, i doubt yasratcha would get defeated that easily like JJ i mean he would still get manhandled, but definitely not in the way JJ got manhandled, also remember that baam at dark change form is physically way above CC tier(he wont get damaged easily), white's strongest sword that was even able to significantly injure kallavan was not even able to stratch baam, i mean even the shinsu whiters away, he is basically opening a domain around him i dont see dumas beating dark change baam, leviathan baam both power-wise and hax-wise seems inferior to dark change baam. thats just his true nature and his power, leviathan does not have anything that compares to an irregular especially with a god's power inside him, he might be stronger than current baam but he is not giving power greater than baam's true power.

 

[maverickframe_19]

Look all in all my point is, No matter what form Baam takes in his fight, it's not serious for him unless I see black shinsoo pouring out. We are building up to that moment again, the way SIU keeps showcasing "the line".

Dark change Bam was God-like. He was like FHs. That black orb is probably his shinwonryu. It's just like all creatures, slightly smaller.

 

[V_TheHiddenAxis]

Look all in all my point is, No matter what form Baam takes in his fight, it's not serious for him unless I see black shinsoo pouring out. We are building up to that moment again, the way SIU keeps showcasing "the line".

Dark change Bam was God-like. He was like FHs. That black orb is probably his shinwonryu. It's just like all creatures, slightly smaller.

Do you think dark change baam can beat Dumas?

 

[maverickframe_19]

Do you think dark change baam can beat Dumas?

I think he could have some win conditions but I'll say a draw would be fair for now. If he ignites the thorn, then maybe he can.

 

[Anne isn't a TT]

I am surprised how overhyped dark charge night is among fandoms.

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the skill we didnt even see once since s3, even king Z was using golden needle from the time when he was just D-rank regular but baam is not using star dust...

Night has used stardust twice in S3 lol

 

[maverickframe_19]

I am surprised how overhyped dark charge night is among fandoms.

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Night has used stardust twice in S3 lol

The discussion was about igniting the thorn and then using that move in conjunction with his other power-set.
It's not overhyped if anything people shit on it because it looked like in the end it needed Khun+rak to achieve the desired outcome but in reality, Bam was mad condescending in the entire fight against white just like an actual Irregular.

 

[Anne isn't a TT]

The discussion was about igniting the thorn and then using that move in conjunction with his other power-set.
It's not overhyped if anything people shit on it because it looked like in the end it needed Khun+rak to achieve the desired outcome but in reality, Bam was mad condescending in the entire fight against white just like an actual Irregular.

I get that but it's overhyped imo. Like U said that transcendental move, stardust shaked the whole hidden floor, provided night used with thorn pierced. And Ur correct but that's a virtual floor without an admin. If my memory serves right, night used same attack while in pierced thorn condition in Last station but kallavan and others didn't get that feeling, it only slightly hurt kallavan that's it which is also mainly due to SBHS.

What I think is dark charge will be stronger in the future but right now levi form has the upper hand. And I believe levi isn't used 100 percent. He is still sealed. I even doubt night would have felt how strong Dumas is like in levi form. His strongest arsenal will always be thorn bc it has Enryu power.

 

[maverickframe_19]

I get that but it's overhyped imo. Like U said that transcendental move, stardust shaked the whole hidden floor, provided night used with thorn pierced. And Ur correct but that's a virtual floor without an admin. If my memory serves right, night used same attack while in pierced thorn condition in Last station but kallavan and others didn't get that feeling, it only slightly hurt kallavan that's it which is also mainly due to SBHS.

What I think is dark charge will be stronger in the future but right now levi form has the upper hand. And I believe levi isn't used 100 percent. He is still sealed. I even doubt night would have felt how strong Dumas is like in levi form. His strongest arsenal will always be thorn bc it has Enryu power.

Hmmm ok, but context is important here, right? You're comparing apples and oranges here. What would a deadly AK47 do against a freakin tank? Bam was a baby freshly out of hell train. The present is different. Let's say he has now received several Zenkai boosts + training + various powerups. We have seen what potential dark change Baam looks like with the thorn not ignited. What will it look like ignited? What will Leviathan mimesis look like with black shinshoo pouring out?
And that attack gave Kallavan PTSD for a lifetime, enough to pursue him to the end. He said after Evankhell's monologue what a great mistake it was to let that boy go because of what he could become and what potential danger he could pose to Zahard's kingdom.
Think about the panels during that entire dark change arc. He covered the sky black. He was on some Enryu shit. His face showed no emotions. He only wanted to get the job done.
Think about the character of white. What would make him take in his pride and downright admit it at the moment - "That guy is stronger than me"
This is what an irregular is. When they step into a room, their energy is different.
Levi mimesis was good, strong but it didn't give the same feeling to me like dark change. Dark change + thorn-ignited baam could control the shinshoo in the area he's around. I am positive that potentially he could shake the floor, if not tremble the shinshoo around the floor. Because that is the power he has, like an administrator.

 

[Anne isn't a TT]

Hmmm ok, but context is important here, right? You're comparing apples and oranges here. What would a deadly AK47 do against a freakin tank? Bam was a baby freshly out of hell train. The present is different. Let's say he has now received several Zenkai boosts + training + various powerups. We have seen what potential dark change Baam looks like with the thorn not ignited. What will it look like ignited? What will Leviathan mimesis look like with black shinshoo pouring out?
And that attack gave Kallavan PTSD for a lifetime, enough to pursue him to the end. He said after Evankhell's monologue what a great mistake it was to let that boy go because of what he could become and what potential danger he could pose to Zahard's kingdom.
Think about the panels during that entire dark change arc. He covered the sky black. He was on some Enryu shit. His face showed no emotions. He only wanted to get the job done.
Think about the character of white. What would make him take in his pride and downright admit it at the moment - "That guy is stronger than me"
This is what an irregular is. When they step into a room, their energy is different.
Levi mimesis was good, strong but it didn't give the same feeling to me like dark change. Dark change + thorn-ignited baam could control the shinshoo in the area he's around. I am positive that potentially he could shake the floor, if not tremble the shinshoo around the floor. Because that is the power he has, like an administrator.

Ok but do remember Night used both thorns throughout that fight with white. And in levi form he only used one thorn at the last moment which managed to break through the attack of Dumas and managed to hurt him when dumas was going all out. What I get the vibes is even if dark charge is stronger, just pure offensive wise, levi form is stronger. If Night used blue dragon claws on white which he used on holan in 537, that would have almost ended the game.

SIU gave night levi so he could contend with regent level characters like Dumas and all. Idk but I get this feeling he is protecting dark charge for sth big maybe we will see in this war. But again be it levi which has Ray's powers or dark charge which has V's powers, the most powerful arsenal will always remain thorn which has Enryu power.