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So, to my fellow Enforcers, while I am burning to know what we all did at night, somehow there was no kill, so great job, but maybe let's just agree sharing what we did if it is relevant to other interactions (for now)?

Like say, the Analyst block claims.

Or anyone has a different take? @Farfalla @Tatsumaki @Holt

At some point we will die and there will be info gabs though, so what do you think?
Well as of now all the enforcers denied being the source of the block. Mafia can only use escort twice. Would they use it on wojak ? Only to frame him ? Doesn't seem like a big reward to me.
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I don't mind revealing what I did at night.

Tho should we wait to see what the last analyst has to say ?
 

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So none of the enforcers claims to have blocked wojak, but he says he got no result, which could picture two scenarios:

- He's scum, and safe claimed having no result
- He's legit and one of the enforcers is lying

Honestly, as much as I find him sketchy, why would mafia not coordinate results so they dont frame each other? Even if wojak turned out to be a scum that was outed by a fellow scum/enforcer claimer, that would just mean delaying the inevitable witch hunt that follows on that group with Evil-Farf-Holt-Tatsu.

On the other hand, why would scum try to block an analyst of all people with literally claimed docs and hoes going around? If they had a nightpad to discuss I would expect them to ask the hosts how analyst works and get that it isn't really that harmful for them on the first night.
 

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- He's scum, and safe claimed having no result
- He's legit and one of the enforcers is lying
How is that your two options?

We already discussed that he could have been blocked by the mafia to be frame. I don't see a point in it, as he we pretty suspicious from the get go, but fishing for a mislynch in this group is also beneficiary for the m. team.

Enforcers lying is a new theory, which is bit of a tin foil scenario. wojak could have been semi-confirmed with that action. Care to explain why you choose violence and throw shade?
 

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How is that your two options?

We already discussed that he could have been blocked by the mafia to be frame. I don't see a point in it, as he we pretty suspicious from the get go, but fishing for a mislynch in this group is also beneficiary for the m. team.

Enforcers lying is a new theory, which is bit of a tin foil scenario. wojak could have been semi-confirmed with that action. Care to explain why you choose violence and throw shade?
Because they are the two realistically possible options, if you have any other please share :lambirb
Enforcers lying and him being legit blocked is the exact same thing, one of you 4 is 100% a scum.

Perhaps you would prefer me to stay quiet and not say anything? I think being inquisitive is pretty much a given since we have to find something and not wait for it to appear.
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Besides, this dayphase is going to be brutal for me, cause this is the only realistic timeframe in which I can play, which means I will barely have time to make a decision
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For instance, I doubt I will be around for the end of the phase or to see Sam's claim, so this stalling on the enforcers side is not making me any favours. Whatever you guys decide to do it will have to be without me if it takes too long.
 

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Sam did throw up some posts in NBA discord a few minutes ago but hasn't shown up here. Bit of a shame.
 

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Because they are the two realistically possible options, if you have any other please share :lambirb
Enforcers lying and him being legit blocked is the exact same thing, one of you 4 is 100% a scum.

Perhaps you would prefer me to stay quiet and not say anything? I think being inquisitive is pretty much a given since we have to find something and not wait for it to appear.
One of us 4 is 100% mafia, that makes your anal group that you decided to join two of 4, which is like double, so 200% scum ratio, lmao
I also won't be very active in 12h, but Sam is clearly stalling, which for me is whatever, today it will be Vandead anways.

What makes no sense to me is that you would be accuse a townie to lie. All three townies and one mafia said they didn't target wojak for block, yet you spread doubt. What for?

Sam did throw up some posts in NBA discord a few minutes ago but hasn't shown up here. Bit of a shame.
He's in the 50:50 gang so really who can blame that low motivation. After Van we're thinning them out next day
 

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Or anyone has a different take? @Farfalla @Tatsumaki @Holt
I don’t mind but we’re in a much more comfortable position since we prevented the kill (barring recruitment). No need to make things any clearer for them
 

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One of us 4 is 100% mafia, that makes your anal group that you decided to join two of 4, which is like double, so 200% scum ratio, lmao
I also won't be very active in 12h, but Sam is clearly stalling, which for me is whatever, today it will be Vandead anways.

What makes no sense to me is that you would be accuse a townie to lie. All three townies and one mafia said they didn't target wojak for block, yet you spread doubt. What for?
First: At no point did I suggest going for a lynch of anyone from the enforcer group, only wrote my thoughts on how one of the four enforcer claimers could or could not be lying
Second: At no point did I accuse the townie enforcers of lying, when I mean the four enforcers Im including the mafia one/mole, which is where the whole lie theory comes into play. I think it was pretty clear what I meant.

You seem rather defensive on me for simply navigating that spectrum of the dilemma, which is a fair discussion point when we are waiting for people to reveal.
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Where do you suggest we direct the discussion, since you clearly dont like this topic? More on the Van-dead case? More on shinobi's or my result of how we got zero points on targets? More on how much time will Sam to take to arrive here?

I dont know, you tell me.
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I don’t mind but we’re in a much more comfortable position since we prevented the kill (barring recruitment). No need to make things any clearer for them
I dont see this position as something too comfortable tbh, assuming Van is indeed the fake agent i guess its an alright situation, but its not so good as to throw discussions and reads on all groups to the trashcan, specially if there was a recruitment last night.
 

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@SirSamuel016 @Lambu what did you do tonight ?
I targeted Shinobi and they had a score of 100, would be interesting to hear what they have to say about that.

Votekill Shinobi

Ik he says he's busy but Sam's activity in this game is really far from his latest ones.
I'm under significant duress atm with my University deadlines; lots of writing, meetings and practice that are taking up a lot of time. There's other complications too but those are the significant contributors to my inability to play
 

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So, to my fellow Enforcers, while I am burning to know what we all did at night, somehow there was no kill, so great job, but maybe let's just agree sharing what we did if it is relevant to other interactions (for now)?

Like say, the Analyst block claims.

Or anyone has a different take? @Farfalla @Tatsumaki @Holt

At some point we will die and there will be info gabs though, so what do you think?
Hmmm sharing what I did won't be rly relevant for today and I'm afraid that if we all reveal what things we can't use anymore, we might expose our vulnerabilities for the mafia to exploit (what I just said already reveals a bit). So I think that, say, if I die and you guys don't know what I did then that's less harmful than mafia knowing what I cannot do next? Just using myself as an example here.
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Never said it doesn't, but for what? If I were mafia wouldn't I already have achieved my goal with removing both Gry and Juvs before me, and wouldn't it be unfair to leave town without a way to confirm my role other than via lynch?
You sound like if there was a chance you wouldn't get lynched today you'd vouch against that, quite noble.
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Ugh Analysts basically can't help us with their roles until D3... This lag looked odd to me, why I thought that a result based on the day score wouldn't be the case.
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Honestly, as much as I find him sketchy, why would mafia not coordinate results so they dont frame each other? Even if wojak turned out to be a scum that was outed by a fellow scum/enforcer claimer, that would just mean delaying the inevitable witch hunt that follows on that group with Evil-Farf-Holt-Tatsu.

On the other hand, why would scum try to block an analyst of all people with literally claimed docs and hoes going around? If they had a nightpad to discuss I would expect them to ask the hosts how analyst works and get that it isn't really that harmful for them on the first night.
Cause if they work together to make wojak look legit and one of them falls, the other one will follow. Matching their fake actions carries high risks.

But you do have an interesting point that the mafia team - which has 2 fake Analysts - prolly checked on how it works and found out he could have claimed 0 points on anyone that didn't lynch Gry and 100 on the ones that did (except for Evil).
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Lambs, that post of yours made me check my screen zoom multiple times until I noticed you just changed your font size there for some reason ç.ç
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Almost certainly a traitor among us
I feel that a mafia team of 5 in a game with 14 people looks broken... unless they thought the mech favored town and decided to boost mafia a bit by numbers, but that can be so damaging that Idk if I'd believe in that. 4 mafias for 10 townies is alrdy rather powerful, why I'm not that worried about a traitor currently.
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I'm under significant duress atm with my University deadlines; lots of writing, meetings and practice that are taking up a lot of time. There's other complications too but those are the significant contributors to my inability to play
Welp, but as Bran remarked, not enough to keep you away from discussing basketball.
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I targeted Shinobi and they had a score of 100, would be interesting to hear what they have to say about that.

Votekill Shinobi
Shinobi voted Evil, not Gry, so you're claim is impossible according to the hosts themselves.
I guess we have our D3 lynch lol.
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Waiiiit Sam could be legit and Shino could be the lying asymptomatic boss, interesting
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Ok, I feel like I'm being baited again, now by Sam... well, gonna see what the rest thinks
 

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Whole thing with analysts is a mess. There are people among us who don’t actually like anal but fake claiming it
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The have to be found and taken care of
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Shino the asymptotic boss if Sam is legit?
A big if though
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Fairly sure that's not how Analysts work, but okay. I take it the scum are Sam and Lambu for you, then?
Probably. I was trusting Shino. Now Sam finding Shino at 100 makes it complicated.
 

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Shino the asymptotic boss if Sam is legit?
And if there's a liar between Shino and Sam, then the other is between you and Lambs.
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God I'm tired. It took me this time to notice my comment on Analysts having nothing to do in N1 to be a brainfart.


Since Van's getting lynched today, another Analyst should check Shino tonight to see if they get 100 as well and then confirm or challenge Sam. The thing is, with a second mole between Lambs and wojak, it's hard to fully trust wtv comes from that.
 

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Since Van's getting lynched today, another Analyst should check Shino tonight to see if they get 100 as well and then confirm or challenge Sam. The thing is, with a second mole between Lambs and wojak, it's hard to fully trust wtv comes from that.
The thing is Shino could be a legit analyst and still have a score of 100 when checked tonight.
 

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I targeted Shinobi and they had a score of 100, would be interesting to hear what they have to say about that.

Votekill Shinobi
I was wondering what you guys were up to, and here it is!! Me the boss, ha? :kappa

so the mafia team is Sam, Vandred, Lambu/Wojak?, and Holt/Tatsu? my guess is Lambu and Holt. I'll want to block these guys if I were the enforcer.

If anything this means Vandred who's up for the lynch now isn't the boss, and I think the M.Analyst is one of our Analysts gang, so I'd like to think Vandred is one of the det/escort/Janitor guys. If this is correct there will be no Escort block this night.

btw who are your suspects? Me (boss!), Vandred ofc, and?
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The thing is Shino could be a legit analyst and still have a score of 100 when checked tonight.
Not really, Marma said that the scores are tallied by the end of the day phase, which means if you check me N2 my score should still be 50 points, assuming Vandred is scum. In the off chance he's townie, which I don't see tbh, my score should be 200 .
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If this is correct there will be no Escort block this night.
nvm, they can still use escort and kill with the boss
 

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GrySun did a post about the order of events, and he pointed out the importance of 'first claimers' and the general vibe people had to mass-claiming. We will only know the truth at the end of the game, however, the general gist of that type of thinking should produce more beneficial town results over time imo. D1 is usually informative later in game - and our D1 is that on steroids. Just saying that if there's confusion these days due to mafia input plus the usual reactions to uncertainty, going back to the start and looking at how people reacted to the mechanic and revealing might clear your view.
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It is hard to imagine how mafia would scheme today after a delating D1. The GrySun lynch would have provided some hope for sure. Today I am not feeling scheme, the ones I imagine are dumb.
 

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I dont see this position as something too comfortable tbh, assuming Van is indeed the fake agent i guess its an alright situation, but its not so good as to throw discussions and reads on all groups to the trashcan, specially if there was a recruitment last night.
I’m talking about enforcers in particular
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The thing is Shino could be a legit analyst and still have a score of 100 when checked tonight.
Where would the 100 come from? If I’m not mistaken, 50 would’ve already come from using her night action N1, everything else should put her over 100?
 

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Welp, but as Bran remarked, not enough to keep you away from discussing basketball.
A couple of short and fleeting responses to your mans isn't what I'd label as much of a discussion. I took a few seconds outside of tasks to respond to a question I was asked, so it's a bit of malicious shading from Bran imo

Shinobi voted Evil, not Gry, so you're claim is impossible according to the hosts themselves.
I guess we have our D3 lynch lol.
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Waiiiit Sam could be legit and Shino could be the lying asymptomatic boss, interesting
Yes, her being the asymptomatic boss is the conclusion I arrived at due to that score.

I was wondering what you guys were up to, and here it is!! Me the boss, ha? :kappa

so the mafia team is Sam, Vandred, Lambu/Wojak?, and Holt/Tatsu? my guess is Lambu and Holt. I'll want to block these guys if I were the enforcer.

If anything this means Vandred who's up for the lynch now isn't the boss, and I think the M.Analyst is one of our Analysts gang, so I'd like to think Vandred is one of the det/escort/Janitor guys. If this is correct there will be no Escort block this night.

btw who are your suspects? Me (boss!), Vandred ofc, and?
I believe you're the boss, and your teammates are presumably Van, one of Wojak/Lambu, and then one more amongst the rest.
 

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Second: At no point did I accuse the townie enforcers of lying, when I mean the four enforcers Im including the mafia one/mole, which is where the whole lie theory comes into play. I think it was pretty clear what I meant.
Apparently not as clear as you think, as in my little world there are only 3 Enforcers and a mole, which is why I was double checking what exactly you mean and what the benefit of one of the 3 doing a block and then lying about it there would be.

Ok, so, we have all analyst n1 claims then. And not everything is useless.

We have following contradicting scenarios:
And if there's a liar between Shino and Sam, then the other is between you and Lambs.
I'm wondering though, while the analyst now split into two groups, if it's really town v mafia each. Very doubtful about the benefits of a second analysis of shinos points as I don't trust a single one of them tbh
 
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