Theory Loki has the Lie Lie Fruit

[Core D. Roy]

I'm basing this off his initial introduction and namesake. There's no reason to believe anything about his backstory so far is entirely the truth, or even remotely the truth. I think he has a paramecia that's on the same level as Sugar and he's been manipulating this kingdom for some reason that seems nefarious but is ultimately for the greater good. It'd be funny if "Loki" actually sucks at lying but has a devil fruit that makes him supernaturally good at it.

I keep seeing Gum Gum... that'd be lame imo. Lie Lie making him capable of stretching would be interesting though, based on a similar principle to Bonney's fruit- also he could lie and say it's the Gum Gum for maximum comedic effect. It'd be a similar-but-unrelated ability that's like Yomi Yomi/Soul Soul/Shadow Shadow. There's so much "sun god" this and "sun god" that already that I feel like it has to be a misdirection. A lie. Like the arc started out, with a big ol' lie.

The Lie Lie fruit being owned by Loki and having center stage in an arc based on Ussop would also be massive.

(though now I wonder if Sugar was seastoned up, would her ability cancel out or does her curse persist? if Luffy frees Loki, does the Lie Lie curse reactivate?) Speaking of Sugar, I can see this as being an inverse of Dressrosa in some way- a great lie has to stay in place until some sun god blah blah blah prophecy

prediction: Loki at the Lie Lie fruit when he was very young and had to skillfully hide it (Robin appears in the arc). The reader is going to know this through dramatic irony while Elbaf is going to have to be convinced of it at some point

special bonus prediction: There'll be a tontatta in this arc that's immune to the Lie Lie fruit in the same way Ussop is immune to the Horo Horo fruit

{Going to be updated as the arc continues}

 

[TitaniumOxide]

I'm basing this off his initial introduction and namesake. There's no reason to believe anything about his backstory so far is entirely the truth, or even remotely the truth. I think he has a paramecia that's on the same level as Sugar and he's been manipulating this kingdom for some reason that seems nefarious but is ultimately for the greater good. It'd be funny if "Loki" actually sucks at lying but has a devil fruit that makes him supernaturally good at it.

I keep seeing Gum Gum... that'd be lame imo. Lie Lie making him capable of stretching would be interesting though, based on a similar principle to Bonney's fruit- also he could lie and say it's the Gum Gum for maximum comedic effect. It'd be a similar-but-unrelated ability that's like Yomi Yomi/Soul Soul/Shadow Shadow. There's so much "sun god" this and "sun god" that already that I feel like it has to be a misdirection. A lie. Like the arc started out, with a big ol' lie.

The Lie Lie fruit being owned by Loki and having center stage in an arc based on Ussop would also be massive.

(though now I wonder if Sugar was seastoned up, would her ability cancel out or does her curse persist? if Luffy frees Loki, does the Lie Lie curse reactivate?) Speaking of Sugar, I can see this as being an inverse of Dressrosa in some way- a great lie has to stay in place until some sun god blah blah blah prophecy

prediction: Loki at the Lie Lie fruit when he was very young and had to skillfully hide it (Robin appears in the arc). The reader is going to know this through dramatic irony while Elbaf is going to have to be convinced of it at some point

{Going to be updated as the arc continues}

I also think the gum gum fruit theory just sounds so convenient and doesn't give off any Loki/mischievous vibes. Just... Irony that kinds of falls flat to me. At first reading this I was thinking wow Usopp should have this fruit but a lie lie fruit would definitely fit Loki more. But yes you're on point when you say that so far lying is a huge theme in this arc. If the theory is true then I'd wager that the "lies" break if Loki gets knocked out, but not because of seastone. Seastone prevents further lies from being believed but the dishonesty only unravels if he is knocked out. Saying this because I am hoping to give the df an uneven oomph.

 

[wing_gundam]

I don't think either everything is a lie or everyone believes him no matter what works. Either he'd have no followers (no trust) or he could talk himself out of getting chained up.

My guess is it has something to do with his eyes the way they're covered up instead of say his mouth.

 

[Core D. Roy]

I don't think either everything is a lie or everyone believes him no matter what works. Either he'd have no followers (no trust) or he could talk himself out of getting chained up.

My guess is it has something to do with his eyes the way they're covered up instead of say his mouth.

If he's chained up with seastone, he can't use a DF power like that regardless. I think his eyes being covered up is just for dramatic effect and/or as a reference to Odin plucking out an eye to gain wisdom from a place near the roots of Yggdrasil

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I also think the gum gum fruit theory just sounds so convenient and doesn't give off any Loki/mischievous vibes. Just... Irony that kinds of falls flat to me. At first reading this I was thinking wow Usopp should have this fruit but a lie lie fruit would definitely fit Loki more. But yes you're on point when you say that so far lying is a huge theme in this arc. If the theory is true then I'd wager that the "lies" break if Loki gets knocked out, but not because of seastone. Seastone prevents further lies from being believed but the dishonesty only unravels if he is knocked out. Saying this because I am hoping to give the df an uneven oomph.

You say an uneven oomph, but that's pretty much what I'd imagine for Sugar's fruit as well. I doubt seastone would un-toy the population, she had to be knocked out. But yeah being on the level of Sugar's fruit is itself an uneven oomph lol

 

[DeadlyBeast]

Hm interesting if the fruits powers are metaphysical that could be pretty cool. I could imagine him having the power to make his lies a reality but they are limited to his and others belief in the lie. So to be skilled user he'd have to be such a good liar that he and others belief it to be true. The truer he and others believe the lies the more he can warp reality. That would be a pretty cool power to go up against Nika's reality warping and maybe even a good way for Luffy to test the bounds of his "rhythm/drums" ability to change the world around him.

 

[SanaNeOlm]

I also think he is a real trouble maker and probably has a fruit that fits his mythology.

About the question of Seastone nullifying past effects of the DF; would the wax disappear if Mr 3 gets chained up? I don't think so. Unless it is a special quirk of the fruit (like sugar fainting nullifies its past and present effects) I think what was created/manipulated would remain, even when chained. Big Mom fainted and was chained up and her homies didn't disappear. Though what about what Giolla creates? Would a seastone nullify her art?

 

[Kuroiyaiba]

I'm basing this off his initial introduction and namesake. There's no reason to believe anything about his backstory so far is entirely the truth, or even remotely the truth. I think he has a paramecia that's on the same level as Sugar and he's been manipulating this kingdom for some reason that seems nefarious but is ultimately for the greater good. It'd be funny if "Loki" actually sucks at lying but has a devil fruit that makes him supernaturally good at it.

I keep seeing Gum Gum... that'd be lame imo. Lie Lie making him capable of stretching would be interesting though, based on a similar principle to Bonney's fruit- also he could lie and say it's the Gum Gum for maximum comedic effect. It'd be a similar-but-unrelated ability that's like Yomi Yomi/Soul Soul/Shadow Shadow. There's so much "sun god" this and "sun god" that already that I feel like it has to be a misdirection. A lie. Like the arc started out, with a big ol' lie.

The Lie Lie fruit being owned by Loki and having center stage in an arc based on Ussop would also be massive.

(though now I wonder if Sugar was seastoned up, would her ability cancel out or does her curse persist? if Luffy frees Loki, does the Lie Lie curse reactivate?) Speaking of Sugar, I can see this as being an inverse of Dressrosa in some way- a great lie has to stay in place until some sun god blah blah blah prophecy

prediction: Loki at the Lie Lie fruit when he was very young and had to skillfully hide it (Robin appears in the arc). The reader is going to know this through dramatic irony while Elbaf is going to have to be convinced of it at some point

special bonus prediction: There'll be a tontatta in this arc that's immune to the Lie Lie fruit in the same way Ussop is immune to the Horo Horo fruit

{Going to be updated as the arc continues}

Solid and fun theory. One tiny detail I‘d like to add /change. The one immune to the fruit should be Lola, then you‘d even have an explanation for why she rejected Loki.

 

[Core D. Roy]

Solid and fun theory. One tiny detail I‘d like to add /change. The one immune to the fruit should be Lola, then you‘d even have an explanation for why she rejected Loki.

"I have good taste in men, sorry" *DF ability completely broken* *Big Mom loses her shit*

 

[Bradhimself]

So does this Lie Lie fruit afford the user's lies to be true?

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Also, would he be able to lie with the seastone chains? Or would that just block it from being true?

Very interesting!

 

[TitaniumOxide]

So does this Lie Lie fruit afford the user's lies to be true?

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Also, would he be able to lie with the seastone chains? Or would that just block it from being true?

Very interesting!

He should still be able to lie but without the powers of the fruit due to seastone, even if people believed him it wouldn't do anything regardless of whatever it is the fruit actually does. Seems fair since it's done through "normal" means as in anyone already possess an inherent ability to lie as long as they can communicate. This is a great theory, would be pretty cool if it comes true but for some reason my guts tells me that Oda has something else in store for us regarding his fruit. There're just too many directions that he can go with Loki.

 

[Bradhimself]

Even if this ends up not being true for Loki, I want this fruit to exist in One Piece and for Usopp to defeat it's user.

 

[TitaniumOxide]

Even if this ends up not being true for Loki, I want this fruit to exist in One Piece and for Usopp to defeat it's user.

Now we're really getting somewhere. It is almost a shame for Usopp to not meet this fruit. Or it's user.

 

[Core D. Roy]

Now we're really getting somewhere. It is almost a shame for Usopp to not meet this fruit. Or it's user.

And who better than the greatest warrior of Elbaf, the guy named "Loki"?

 

[baditz]

I dont really understand ur concept lie lie power work,,
But its not more simple if his power make an illusion?

 

[costicla]

I hope he has a Logia, maybe something actually Sun related. All the fruits we have had the past few arcs were either Zoan of Paramecia, except Aramaki's and Karasu's fruits. Though I don't know how a Sun related Logia would actually work, and not be some combination of the Pika Pika no mi and Mera Mera no mi.

His fruit might actually be related to some kind of sensory power though, maybe hypnotism, he does have his eyes blindfolded and I don't think it's because of some injury.

 

[DeadlyBeast]

His fruit might actually be related to some kind of sensory power though, maybe hypnotism, he does have his eyes blindfolded and I don't think it's because of some injury.

Could be his fruit is like a dojutsu from Naruto and he can cast genjutsu with his eyes

 

[costicla]

Could be his fruit is like a dojutsu from Naruto and he can cast genjutsu with his eyes

People kept joking that Zoro will open his eye and reveal his Sharingan, but it was actually Loki who had it all along!