Urek runs FH gauntlet

[Ray Barracuda]

It's very hard to say if that rule applies to Irregulars. ToG wiki says irregulars can use shinsoo freely, but story doesn't really state it out clearly. I still think all irregulars are same in that regard that they can use shinsoo without contract. Bam and Urek could be exceptions just based on the fact that they are more talented than family frauds, but then again I find that hard to believe.

The TOG wiki definitely generalized, the one thing stated special about irregulars was that they could open the door without an invite, that was literally what made them special.

But even this doesn't mean much for potential or shinsoo affinity cause for example, SIU stated there's currently an unknown number of irregulars within the tower.

Meaning being an irregular doesn't mean you're automatically strong or gifted cause a lotta irrelevant fodder ones are in the tower right now, what we see are the exceptional ones, aka the great warriors.

So the wiki used Baam as basis to freely gift all irregulars an ability they do not posses, it's false.

 

[zoradante1]

Literal child because of the flashback scene, he was the same height as Zahard or Baam and short as fuck standing before the mirror.

Current Urek dwarfs the mirror in size.

Also joking about Urek being a monster to mean he was an adult, can't be serious man

thats what i hate about you my guy, why are you insisting that was data of urek? Thats his SWORN ENEMY'S data not his data, If not even FUG could mess with him at first floor then that means he was already close to FH level if not FH level.

 

[Pro Factor]

thats what i hate about you my guy, why are you insisting that was data of urek? Thats his SWORN ENEMY'S data not his data, If not even FUG could mess with him at first floor then that means he was already close to FH level if not FH level.

I mean it was stated by Yuri that Urek was monster right from the start. Was he FH level? Hard to know, but he was definitely very powerful already.

 

[Ray Barracuda]

thats what i hate about you my guy, why are you insisting that was data of urek? Thats his SWORN ENEMY'S data not his data, If not even FUG could mess with him at first floor then that means he was already close to FH level if not FH level.

Was Baam's sworn enemy an inverse currently to what he was?

Was he not a child?

Hell, who's sworn enemy that we know of was much older or younger than the person being copied.

Also, I didn't even use his sworn enemy, I talked about the real Urek we see in the flashback standing before the mirror.

He was the same height as Zahard and Baam at the time, a literal short stack.

 

[zoradante1]

I mean it was stated by Yuri that Urek was monster right from the start. Was he FH level? Hard to know, but he was definitely very powerful already.
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considering he was someone not even FUG could mess with it i think he is at least at regent tier and most likely above, that guy passed all the tests with lightning speed, he cleared all the tests in 50 years, and he challenged hon at 100th floor, since tests take more time as you go up he fought hon more than like 30-40 years later which is not a big time for ToG, the only person that can become so strong in a short period of time is baam, if urek had talent like baam then he would have surpassed the adminstrator currently but he is not. we are not saying he is not talented or something, its a given that only people like V,Z and baam can match his talent but he was already chasing down a axis not parakewl dude, everybody was scared out of their wits when urek entered the tower, It only makes sense if Urek already reached almost all of his potential(physically) when he entered the tower

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Was Baam's sworn enemy an inverse currently to what he was?

Was he not a child?

Hell, who's sworn enemy that we know of was much older or younger than the person being copied.

Also, I didn't even use his sworn enemy, I talked about the real Urek we see in the flashback standing before the mirror.

He was the same height as Zahard and Baam at the time, a literal short stack.

Baam's sworn enemys was when he was at FUG, barely 2-3 years passed you cant expect a huge height difference between(since even endorsi is 500+ years old but still growing) hidden floor baam and his sworn enemy, everybody's sworn enemy is different, considering Urek's personality its not far-fetched to think that he hated his younger-weak-imperfect version of himself.

 

[Pro Factor]

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considering he was someone not even FUG could mess with it i think he is at least at regent tier and most likely above, that guy passed all the tests with lightning speed, he cleared all the tests in 50 years, and he challenged hon at 100th floor, since tests take more time as you go up he fought hon more than like 30-40 years later which is not a big time for ToG, the only person that can become so strong in a short period of time is baam, if urek had talent like baam then he would have surpassed the adminstrator currently but he is not. we are not saying he is not talented or something, its a given that only people like V,Z and baam can match his talent but he was already chasing down a axis not parakewl dude, everybody was scared out of their wits when urek entered the tower, It only makes sense if Urek already reached almost all of his potential(physically) when he entered the tower

Keep in mind that Urek chasing Axis doesn't mean much as SIU himself said that Urek is a bluff addict (blogpost S2 Ch33). He is just that confident doesn't mean much tbh. I just think Urek was extremely strong from the moment he entered the tower. Even God of Guardians said he was already stronger than him which was in Hell Train, that is crazy.

 

[Ray Barracuda]

Nah man, this is the funniest fanbase of all time.


Imagine your literal downplay attempt being "because he was too strong from the start that means he was an adult and could not grow further".


Wallahi I've never seen stuff like this, lots of shonen protagonists and antagonists might need to report for fraudulent behavior by this logic.

Naruto was a fraud, Gojo was a fraud, Yujiro Hanma was a fraud and Sung Jin woo's child is also a fraud, Itachi Uchiha and Madara were fraudulent as fuck since both were monsters as children.

Literal adults cosplaying as children the lot of em

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considering Urek's personality its not far-fetched to think that he hated his younger-weak-imperfect version of himself.

That is an insane twist at Ureks personality.

Urek has no hatred for himself physically, only pure love, can even call him narcissistic cause of this.

He's always seen himself as strong or perfect no matter what so when the mirror actually not only makes him far weaker than what he was but also physically scarred???

Yes, there we have Ureks sworn enemy, the imperfection and his sworn enemy.

 

[zoradante1]

Nah man, this is the funniest fanbase of all time.


Imagine your literal downplay attempt being "because he was too strong from the start that means he was an adult and could not grow further".


Wallahi I've never seen stuff like this, lots of shonen protagonists and antagonists might need to report for fraudulent behavior by this logic.

Naruto was a fraud, Gojo was a fraud, Yujiro Hanma was a fraud and Sung Jin woo's child is also a fraud, Itachi Uchiha and Madara were fraudulent as fuck since both were monsters as children.

Literal adults cosplaying as children the lot of em

nobody said he could not grow further but the logical explanation for urek being shown as monster even at first floor means his physical abilities was already nearing his peak, thats the only thing that makes sense since he did not even know what the hell shinsu is.

 

[Pro Factor]

Nah man, this is the funniest fanbase of all time.


Imagine your literal downplay attempt being "because he was too strong from the start that means he was an adult and could not grow further".


Wallahi I've never seen stuff like this, lots of shonen protagonists and antagonists might need to report for fraudulent behavior by this logic.

Naruto was a fraud, Gojo was a fraud, Yujiro Hanma was a fraud and Sung Jin woo's child is also a fraud, Itachi Uchiha and Madara were fraudulent as fuck since both were monsters as children.

Literal adults cosplaying as children the lot of em

I also think he was adult when he got into tower, but not based on his power but based on the time he climbed. Once you're ranker you stop aging and as regular your aging is slowed down heavily. 50 years climbing period was not enough for him to become adult (look wise) considering how much slower aging is (We are for 12 years no in the tower and Endorsi,Khun,Anak,Shibisu,Hatz... nobody looks a day older than in first episode beside maybe Bam and even that is more because he dresses better now and has different hairstyle and is shredded). Meaning he had to grow up from a kid on hell train to adult in his climbing days which took probably like 40 years from the point he finished hell train. Because once he became ranker he wouldn't get older.

 

[Ray Barracuda]

I also think he was adult when he got into tower, but not based on his power but based on the time he climbed. Once you're ranker you stop aging and as regular your aging is slowed down heavily. 50 years climbing period was not enough for him to become adult (look wise) considering how much slower aging is (We are for 12 years no in the tower and Endorsi,Khun,Anak,Shibisu,Hatz... nobody looks a day older than in first episode beside maybe Bam and even that is more because he dresses better now and has different hairstyle and is shredded). Meaning he had to grow up from a kid on hell train to adult in his climbing days which took probably like 40 years from the point he finished hell train. Because once he became ranker he wouldn't get older.

While yes, I definitely see where you're coming from but there's a small hick.

Aging is not consistent or equal in the tower.

Baam, endrosi, Khun and the rest are physically much taller than what they were before in season 1 and 2 yes.

Androsssi too who was even much shorter should be taller, also genetics play a role here.

There are races in the tower who are much taller than even the top 10% of humans naturally, white too is the same, tall as heck but literal children.


Aging is seemingly statued when you're not climbing sure, ditto for Khun, Endrossi and the rest but the moment you gain the authority to climb and gain access to higher and higher shinsoo the body physically evolves.

I think this much we know.


Kallavan physically dwarfs Jinsung and is stronger but much younger, an example of genetics even in the human race side of the tower.

 

[VON]

Literal child because of the flashback scene, he was the same height as Zahard or Baam and short as fuck standing before the mirror.

Current Urek dwarfs the mirror in size.

Also joking about Urek being a monster to mean he was an adult, can't be serious man.




No they can't, flat out stated that it had never been done before by anyone who climbed the tower except for Urek.

Dreaming is free I guess.

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Zero, absolutely zero idea how them being around for longer is a point against him not being the same considering he literally flat out surpassed them in 50 fucking years.

Them being around for longer isn't a point against Urek, it's a point against them considering how fast he grew.

Baam is the only one who's verbatim stated to be the most comparable to Urek in potential, yet somehow he's now conveniently the one to have stagnated after floor 100.

Why not floor 70, maybe even Hidden floor even.

Baam is also growing much faster than them also, is it going to be a point for them also that they were around for longer?

Thats his sworn enemies. It does NOT reflect himself at that point in time.

Current Urek is no giant. Dude is relatively human sized.

That panel literally goes against what you said. It’s a feat accomplished by irregulars. Zahard and ALL the 10 FHs are iiregulars.

I guess you’re just being dense or purposely missing my point. Better read what I said carefully.

 

[Ray Barracuda]

Thats his sworn enemies. It does NOT reflect himself at that point in time.

I really wanna know who's sworn enemy we've seen being much younger or older than the person being copied.

Quite an insanely made up thing ngl that conveniently applies only to Urek, not Baam or anyone else has this problem.

Also the flashback showed the real Urek standing before the mirror and smashing it.

He was the same height as Baam and Zahard at the time.

Current Urek is no giant. Dude is relatively human sized.

Urek is buff and quite tall beyond the average, the mirror is maybe the same size as an adult human in size based on panel shots, maybe actually smaller even since baby Urek wasn't looking that much smaller same as flashback Urek.

That panel literally goes against what you said. It’s a feat accomplished by irregulars. Zahard and ALL the 10 FHs are iiregulars.

Can you please point me to where Zahard or the ten FHs was stated or shown to have manipulated shinsoo without a contact?

Cause the panel flat out states that he knows of only one person who's done so before.

I guess you’re just being dense or purposely missing my point. Better read what I said carefully.

You said there's no difference between floor hundred Urek and current Urek in strength, I understood you quite clearly

That's why I said it's convenient he's the only person in history to stop growing after floor 100, why not 70 or the hidden floor.

We even have some saying since day 1 here.

 

[VON]

I really wanna know who's sworn enemy we've seen being much younger or older than the person being copied.

Quite an insanely made up thing ngl that conveniently applies only to Urek, not Baam or anyone else has this problem.

Also the flashback showed the real Urek standing before the mirror and smashing it.

He was the same height as Baam and Zahard at the time.

what do you mean? Sworn enemy could literally be anything.

Bam just so happened to his FUG self. Endorsi’s a damned snake. Rak’s a sea eel. There’s even a candy sworn enemy for that fatso companion.

That’s sworn enemy Urek. We’ve never seen the flashback data Urek. He couldn’t be copied in the first place, leaving his imperfect sworn enemy behind that feels disgusted by his weakness (which is still ~data Z and Eduan).

Can you please point me to where Zahard or the ten FHs was stated or shown to have manipulated shinsoo without a contact?

Cause the panel flat out states that he knows of only one person who's done so before.

1) the exact panel you’re referencing refers to the irregulars’ ability to manipulate shinsoo without contract. Zahard and the 10FH automatically falls under this category.
2) even then YHS is not the word of god.

You said there's no difference between floor hundred Urek and current Urek in strength, I understood you quite clearly

That's why I said it's convenient he's the only person in history to stop growing after floor 100, why not 70 or the hidden floor.

We even have some saying since day 1 here.

Nah. I said he entered the tower at that level already and I’m getting increasingly more confident in it. The dude has to be a damned monster to be chasing Phantanium BEFORE he even entered the tower. Like another user said, Urek might have even been nerfed inside the tower instead.

 

[Ray Barracuda]

1) the exact panel you’re referencing refers to the irregulars’ ability to manipulate shinsoo without contract. Zahard and the 10FH automatically falls under this category.
2) even then YHS is not the word of god.

Nah, it didn't, it even added the base of someone who doesn't have an administrator with a contract able to manipulate shinsoo.

Yet it stated that was impossible, there's absolutely nowhere in this story that it's stated all irregulars can automatically manipulate shinsoo without a contract.

The only thing stated about them is the ability to enter and climb the tower without an invitation unlike the towerborn.

They're not gods by default else the unknown number of fodder irregulars in the tower wouldn't exist.

Baam manipulating shinsoo without a contract was special, even the administrator noted him as so.

Only person stated before him to do so was Urek, it's not universal.

Nah. I said he entered the tower at that level already and I’m getting increasingly more confident in it. The dude has to be a damned monster to be chasing Phantanium BEFORE he even entered the tower. Like another user said, Urek might have even been nerfed inside the tower instead.

He was a damned monster, that's literally the reason why his potential exists and Baam is stated to be the closest one to be the closest thing comparable with Urek within the tower after so long and yet even he falls super short.

What made Urek special was the potential and explosive growth, highest of anyone in the tower.

Whatever his relationship with Phanta was and how he knew him doesn't change the fact he had zero power, only a super strong body from the start but nothing to upgrade with.

Even if he was somehow stronger on the outside, the very fact he would have to be starting from rock bottom relatively speaking of course meant his potential was simply just that good.

It's not just simply hopping from one power to another like some game, he had to learn it and manipulate it, be skilled in it else Urek might be completely limited to fighting like a schizo even till date.

First time we see him throw a proper punch in the entire time we've known him from day one, wouldn't be possible if he was a schizo and lax.

 

[zoradante1]

Urek is buff and quite tall beyond the average, the mirror is maybe the same size as an adult human in size based on panel shots, maybe actually smaller even since baby Urek wasn't looking that much smaller same as flashback Urek.

Yuri is 183 cm yet appears to be normal sized compared to people in tower, Urek is likely to be 195 cm he is still normal although a little bit tall compared to people in tower, the only giant we saw among irregulars is zahard who is 240 cm++.

People on tower on average are much taller even the woman are easily 180 cm++ on average so Urek is not really a giant.

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He was a damned monster, that's literally the reason why his potential exists and Baam is stated to be the closest one to be the closest thing comparable with Urek within the tower after so long and yet even he falls super short.

i wont even bother to give response to you mate

 

[Ray Barracuda]

Yuri is 183 cm yet appears to be normal sized compared to people in tower, Urek is likely to be 195 cm he is still normal although a little bit tall compared to people in tower, the only giant we saw among irregulars is zahard who is 240 cm++.

People on tower on average are much taller even the woman are easily 180 cm++ on average so Urek is not really a giant.

Yes, so in the end he's taller than the average, there's little difference here.

Average is 150-160 cm, 170 is cope height.

180-190 are in the top of human genetics.

i wont even bother to give response to you mate

I mean what did I say wrong ?

Was Baam not compared to Urek?

 

[zoradante1]

Was Baam not compared to Urek?

baam is the most talented person we saw so far, nobody else came even close to replicating that, nobody goes from fodder for data Z to equaling him within a month. Urek talent wise similiar to Z and V, and both Z and V are way inferior compared to Baam in terms of talent, saying baam is less talented than urek is just plain wrong mate.

 

[Ray Barracuda]

baam is the most talented person we saw so far, nobody else came even close to replicating that, nobody goes from fodder for data Z to equaling him within a month. Urek talent wise similiar to Z and V, and both Z and V are way inferior compared to Baam in terms of talent, saying baam is less talented than urek is just plain wrong mate.

Nope, that remains Urek and that's why he's compared to him, not the other way around.

Equalling Data Z within a month isn't a feat, both were fodder by far, Urek surpassed it all at this point including the guardian.

Baam has been training for literal years, heck he even trained so much, prayed so much just to fucking scratch Kallavan and couldn't match Dumas with all that he has.

Your example for his talent sucks, when the gap he's trying to reach is a top ranker he falls short.

Him reaching Data Z so much easier meant he was fodder, Baam was simply more so and the gap wasn't that big in the first place.


Baam still needed revolution and his growth rate even after getting so many items plus two thorns is simply marginally faster than Z and rest of the great warriors.

So Baam is a talented wave controller and possibly will be the most talented wave controller EOS but he's nowhere close to being the most talented in the tower especially when his power relies on so many external factors not of his own.

Baek Ryun for now is also more talented than Baam, he's the most talented wave controller after all.

 

[zoradante1]

Nope, that remains Urek and that's why he's compared to him, not the other way around.

Equalling Data Z within a month isn't a feat, both were fodder by far, Urek surpassed it all at this point including the guardian.

Baam has been training for literal years, heck he even trained so much, prayed so much just to fucking scratch Kallavan and couldn't match Dumas with all that he has.

Your example for his talent sucks, when the gap he's trying to reach is a top ranker he falls short.

Him reaching Data Z so much easier meant he was fodder, Baam was simply more so and the gap wasn't that big in the first place.


Baam still needed revolution and his growth rate even after getting so many items plus two thorns is simply marginally faster than Z and rest of the great warriors.

So Baam is a talented wave controller and possibly will be the most talented wave controller EOS but he's nowhere close to being the most talented in the tower especially when his power relies on so many external factors not of his own.

Baek Ryun for now is also more talented than Baam, he's the most talented wave controller after all.

ok

 

[VON]

Nah, it didn't, it even added the base of someone who doesn't have an administrator with a contract able to manipulate shinsoo.

Yet it stated that was impossible, there's absolutely nowhere in this story that it's stated all irregulars can automatically manipulate shinsoo without a contract.

The only thing stated about them is the ability to enter and climb the tower without an invitation unlike the towerborn.

They're not gods by default else the unknown number of fodder irregulars in the tower wouldn't exist.

Baam manipulating shinsoo without a contract was special, even the administrator noted him as so.

Only person stated before him to do so was Urek, it's not universal.






He was a damned monster, that's literally the reason why his potential exists and Baam is stated to be the closest one to be the closest thing comparable with Urek within the tower after so long and yet even he falls super short.

What made Urek special was the potential and explosive growth, highest of anyone in the tower.

Whatever his relationship with Phanta was and how he knew him doesn't change the fact he had zero power, only a super strong body from the start but nothing to upgrade with.

Even if he was somehow stronger on the outside, the very fact he would have to be starting from rock bottom relatively speaking of course meant his potential was simply just that good.

It's not just simply hopping from one power to another like some game, he had to learn it and manipulate it, be skilled in it else Urek might be completely limited to fighting like a schizo even till date.

First time we see him throw a proper punch in the entire time we've known him from day one, wouldn't be possible if he was a schizo and lax.

The first half, I’m not even going to bother or deign answering. You skipped a good portion of the lore reveals.

What explosive talents or growth? The guy is so strong to the point he NEVER bothered to learn any advanced shinsoo technique or even shinwonryu. Urek was that powerful to begin with.

I feel like you’re taking offense at the fact that Urek came in super strong.