Urek Mazino vs V (Prime)

[Demonspeed]

Do you have urek above current Zahard? If not then my points hold true. All those things make it as V being zahard lite himself. Why do you think only V got the special treatment compared to any other FH?

No, I don't. If you call V Zahard lite yourself then he is clearly inferior. V was confirmed stronger than everyone but Zahard. Zahard is also confirmed to be the leader. You will not find a single statement in the story where V is considered superior to Zahard excepted at Tension(where he was the best) and as potential "King of the Tower".

He has his role in the story, he is Baam's dad after all.

Between V and Zahard, who do you think is more important in the story? The answer is obvious.

I don't think Urek is stronger than Zahard but even people who know the strength of FHs think he has a shot. That's more than V ever got. Whatever he tried, he failed anyway.

 

[Ray Barracuda]

I'll show you how the plot protected Zahard.

First, Phanta attacked the palace, but he only attacked a few "background characters", he didn't attack Zahard, and no princess was killed.

Second, Enryu attacked FoD because he didn't like what Zahard did. But he only bullied Zahard's subordinates, and left a thorn. He didn't attack Zahard either.

Third, Zahard is the only person in the story who is confirmed to be unharmed by towerborns. This is more meaningful than being killed, even wanting to hurt Zahard is impossible.

Finally, even Hockney's eyes, the power that can be called related to Enryu, can't see Zahard's future (even as a data). Meanwhile, Hockney can see Urek and Baam's future.

Sure and sure, but zero idea how this connotes to his strength?

He was spared twice we all know that sure, but he wasn't spared because they didn't wanna kill him but simply because another person had already been appointed to kill him from the start.

That is why we have Baam, Zahards fate hax or ability to blind fate can't help him in battle cause it's not like Baam will be needing that.


Hockney seeing Baams fate isn't supposed to make him lesser than Zahard in the future is it?


Also pretty sure he didn't see Ureks future, he saw an interaction through Garams future conversion with Urek in the future, a loophole if you will.


He doesn't know Urek's fate.

Evidence?

From freaking White, Arie is always alone training and his sword can't be touched by anyone bar him.


And the fact Arie Hon challenged Zahard to a fight ten times throughout the centuries, will he have slowed down in his training if he wants to challenge Zahard again?

Evidence?

Jesus Christ man.


The blogs stated Edhuan was mad at Urek for pushing him outta the top five and looks to fight him in the future.

 

[Lonatian]

For those who say that V prime is stronger than the current family heads, I can confirm that V has never seen Traumerei's "3-dimensional disconnection" in his entire life.

There's no way to say that Zahard and the 10 FHs won't get stronger over time.

 

[maverickframe_19]

I am not arguing with anyone. It's my theory. I'm sticking with it. I didn't say it as a fact. You guys are free to believe whatever you want to believe.

When I attached a power set to the three irregulars mentioned above, I mean it's just isn't much between them is there? 101,100,99

A match-up is based on many things and the outcomes are not always foregone. It changes based on the conditions. All 3 are well capable of beating each other. Win/lose/draw any outcome wouldn't surprise me, to be honest.

 

[Lonatian]

Also pretty sure he didn't see Ureks future, he saw an interaction through Garams future conversion with Urek in the future, a loophole if you will.


He doesn't know Urek's fate.

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[Anne isn't a TT]

For those who say that V prime is stronger than the current family heads, I can confirm that V has never seen Traumerei's "3-dimensional disconnection" in his entire life.

There's no way to say that Zahard and the 10 FHs won't get stronger over time.

Isn't that bc he himself doesn't know that?

 

[Lonatian]

Isn't that bc he himself doesn't know that?

Even Traumerei didn't know he could do it. Of course, Traumerei has never used it before. This means that Traumerei is now stronger than his previous prime.

 

[Anne isn't a TT]

Even Traumerei didn't know he could do it. Of course, Traumerei has never used it before. This means that Traumerei is now stronger than his previous prime.

Yeah but I wonder if Night will kill Ray. I don't see Gussy nor UM killing Ray, if he is meant to die. Like they have their powers in check while Night don't. There's also the fact that we have never seen a GW killing GW for real in the past excluding Ray killing Gussy in 629. No matter how big dispute was. Even Ray himself didn't kill Amizu.

If only Gussy kills Ray and survives I don't think other FLs will forgive him. Tho that's not the case for Ray since Gussy started this war. There's also the promise they made never to hurt each other. I believe even V and Arlene were included in this. That's why J only killed baby night when Arlene was there too. And V didn't take revenge bc he was a man who hold onto his promises.

 

[V_TheHiddenAxis]

We may get V vs Urek soon. Hope it happens.

 

[VON]

Urek would make V a bozo

mark my words.

 

[V_TheHiddenAxis]

Urek would make V a bozo

mark my words.

I hope we see V going up against urek in near future though the chance of happening is very small.

 

[sho87]

Well V doesn't think he's got much a chance

 

[V_TheHiddenAxis]

V is not sure if he can win or not. I will say Urek definitely has higher chance of winning now.

 

[Demonspeed]

Well V doesn't think he's got much a chance

That's not what he said. But I am pretty sure that Urek is stronger than V at his prime. Here is what is annoying though.

If V stays in Baam's body and recovers his power. He'll reach a new level of power and surpass his prime self because of everything that Baam looted. We are in a Hell Joe situation where Urek can't go all out against him because he is being a parasite and where V can get access to new power ups(Red and Blue Thryssas, tons of souls, Leviathan, Mimesis) So, V believers should actually want him to leave Baam's body if they want him to look good. Urek is certainly not going to abandon Baam like this and I am pretty sure that if they end up fighting, Urek will be superior.

 

[maverickframe_19]

That's not what he said. But I am pretty sure that Urek is stronger than V at his prime. Here is what is annoying though.

If V stays in Baam's body and recovers his power. He'll reach a new level of power and surpass his prime self because of everything that Baam looted. We are in a Hell Joe situation where Urek can't go all out against him because he is being a parasite and where V can get access to new power ups(Red and Blue Thryssas, tons of souls, Leviathan, Mimesis) So, V believers should actually want him to leave Baam's body if they want him to look good. Urek is certainly not going to abandon Baam like this and I am pretty sure that if they end up fighting, Urek will be superior.

Well what do you know sometimes you can speak sense

Bam will definitely get control of his body. The question is when and under what conditions?

 

[Demonspeed]

Well what do you know sometimes you can speak sense

Bam will definitely get control of his body. The question is when and under what conditions?

My sometimes is certainly more than most people here. I am easily one of the most rational posters on this forum.

Urek and Gustang will cooperate to find a way to separate them.

 

[maverickframe_19]

My sometimes is certainly more than most people here. I am easily one of the most rational posters on this forum.

Urek and Gustang will cooperate to find a way to separate them.

Weird flex but OK.

 

[Pro Factor]

My sometimes is certainly more than most people here. I am easily one of the most rational posters on this forum.

Urek and Gustang will cooperate to find a way to separate them.

I'm not sure about that. Gustang goals and Ureks are not aligning here, they want opposite things (one wants death of FHs other wants them to stay alive).

They might work together, but this simple difference in their goals might also make them go separate ways about separating Bam from V. They also want Bam for different reasons. Urek wants Bam since he genuinely likes the guy and Gustang wants him to fulfil the prophecy that Arlene spoke of.

 

[Demonspeed]

I'm not sure about that. Gustang goals and Ureks are not aligning here, they want opposite things (one wants death of FHs other wants them to stay alive).

They might work together, but this simple difference in their goals might also make them go separate ways about separating Bam from V. They also want Bam for different reasons. Urek wants Bam since he genuinely likes the guy and Gustang wants him to fulfil the prophecy that Arlene spoke of.

They have different goals but saving Baam should be the priority. And I don't think Urek would be against killing V. He was asleep all this time so he wasn't leading anyone. Most don't know he is alive.

 

[Pro Factor]

They have different goals but saving Baam should be the priority. And I don't think Urek would be against killing V. He was asleep all this time so he wasn't leading anyone. Most don't know he is alive.

It's hard to guess what Urek would want, he is a loose cannon. Based on everything we know so far V is not worse than any other FH. In a perfect world they would all be sentenced to death. Traum and Blossom killed countless of people. If V deserves death so do they. Yet he chose to save Traum, honestly I do not buy "It would create chaos if he dies" excuse. One possible excuse that I would be ok with is if wolhaiksong is very close to finding exit from the tower and Urek doesn't want all the chaos that death of FH brings before he leaves the tower. Otherwise killing FH would create chaos for some period of time, but it would mean better life later on. Allowing him to live means shitty life for as long as he is alive, which is an eternity. If Gustang were to bring Urek to his side to help him (which again - he might), it would set a problematic precedent. Urek is the strongest character, and his involvement could feel like a cheap way out, using him this often to solve problems is not really ideal way for the story.

Bam devouring V on his own would be my desired way for this to get resolved and I think Bam ability to devour things that was so heavily emphasized so far should come into play here. Problem is how to do it so it makes sense? Gustang doing it is fine also to a certain extent, but Urek...