Is Urek Mazino the Strongest?

[sho87]

When it comes to raw power and talent urek is probably top 1. Zahard probably has better abilities, weapons and arsenal which makes him stronger.

isn't that Enryu and Zahard?

 

[V_TheHiddenAxis]

isn't that Enryu and Zahard?

Phanta , Enryu and Baam are obvious ones. I don't think zahard has more potential but it is debatable.

 

[Demonspeed]

Urek being physically stronger and more durable than Zahard is very unlikely. If the last chapter hasn't made it clear already, Urek is the fastest Irregular. He also has the lightspeed Shinsoo etc. Zahard is the reason why Zahard Princesses's physical stats. I am convinced that in terms of physical strength and durability, there is no one above him. Even Has are inferior to Zahard Princesses physically.

Their fighting styles are similar(aggro Fishermen with insane stats) but I see more emphasis on some hax that Zahard is supposed to have. We now know that Urek's fists can ignore hax anyway.

 

[Ray Barracuda]

Urek being physically stronger and more durable than Zahard is very unlikely. If the last chapter hasn't made it clear already, Urek is the fastest Irregular. He also has the lightspeed Shinsoo etc. Zahard is the reason why Zahard Princesses's physical stats. I am convinced that in terms of physical strength and durability, there is no one above him. Even Has are inferior to Zahard Princesses physically.

Their fighting styles are similar(aggro Fishermen with insane stats) but I see more emphasis on some hax that Zahard is supposed to have. We now know that Urek's fists can ignore hax anyway.

Yeah so looking at all the crazy things Urek has done with below full body reinforcement based on visuals then it's Zahard that has to prove that he can shatter concepts even when below base.

But seeing as he's always in full body reinforcement all the time when we see him then that's very unlikely cause he can't split in into fractions like Urek so automatic disqualification.

Ureks body is repeatedly emphasized on being the most abnormal thing, the logic you bring for Zahard is thin and super flimsy.

If the best reasoning for your being is that some of the princesses surpass some of the Ha family due to Zahards blood not even all of them then that's quite redundant.

I fail to see how Yuri Zahard surpasses Jinsung, how Endrossi surpasses Yuri, how Maschenny surpasses Jinsung physically also.

And Jinsung isn't even high in the family scale in terms of physical strength.

 

[Pro Factor]

I would be very surprised if Zahard is stronger than Urek in a battle. I can see them being equal,but Urek dec

Yeah so looking at all the crazy things Urek has done with below full body reinforcement based on visuals then it's Zahard that has to prove that he can shatter concepts even when below base.

But seeing as he's always in full body reinforcement all the time when we see him then that's very unlikely cause he can't split in into fractions like Urek so automatic disqualification.

Ureks body is repeatedly emphasized on being the most abnormal thing, the logic you bring for Zahard is thin and super flimsy.

If the best reasoning for your being is that some of the princesses surpass some of the Ha family due to Zahards blood not even all of them then that's quite redundant.

I fail to see how Yuri Zahard surpasses Jinsung, how Endrossi surpasses Yuri, how Maschenny surpasses Jinsung physically also.

And Jinsung isn't even high in the family scale in terms of physical strength.

Jinsung is pretty high on the scale. He is grandson of Yurin Ha.

 

[Ray Barracuda]

Jinsung is pretty high on the scale. He is grandson of Yurin Ha.

Sure, but in terms of strength he's not stated to be in the strongest of the Ha Rankers.

They call him an old monster sure, but that's that

Yuri is one generation removed and she too is the same, she's not up there at all even though physically looking the same as He Yurin herself so one can even infer some strong blood links.

 

[Demonspeed]

Yeah so looking at all the crazy things Urek has done with below full body reinforcement based on visuals then it's Zahard that has to prove that he can shatter concepts even when below base.

But seeing as he's always in full body reinforcement all the time when we see him then that's very unlikely cause he can't split in into fractions like Urek so automatic disqualification.

Ureks body is repeatedly emphasized on being the most abnormal thing, the logic you bring for Zahard is thin and super flimsy.

If the best reasoning for your being is that some of the princesses surpass some of the Ha family due to Zahards blood not even all of them then that's quite redundant.

I fail to see how Yuri Zahard surpasses Jinsung, how Endrossi surpasses Yuri, how Maschenny surpasses Jinsung physically also.

And Jinsung isn't even high in the family scale in terms of physical strength.

I don't think Zahard can counter hax like Urek does. It's definitely specific to Urek.

You are comparing people who aren't at the same level at all. Yuri is much younger compared to Jinsung and she is not only a Zahard Princess, she is a Ha. At her peak she'll definitely be superior to Jinsung physically. Androssi is a Regular. Maschenny has pretty much no feats. Zahard Princesses are always stated to be the best physically.

Jinsung himself is a jobber now but his physical abilities are the real deal.

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I would be very surprised if Zahard is stronger than Urek in a battle. I can see them being equal,but Urek dec


Jinsung is pretty high on the scale. He is grandson of Yurin Ha.

He is barely CC tier. Definitely not that big of a deal among the Has.

 

[Pro Factor]

Sure, but in terms of strength he's not stated to be in the strongest of the Ha Rankers.

They call him an old monster sure, but that's that

Yuri is one generation removed and she too is the same, she's not up there at all even though physically looking the same as He Yurin herself so one can even infer some strong blood links.

I think Jinsung is really high on the scale tbh. He said himself even among Ha people he is a very special one and implied how others from Ha family ruin image of them by basically being trash. Mascheny commented how freaking durable he is. Surely there are stronger Ha members than him, but I start to wonder how many top 100 spots is left unused considering on the amount of people in top 100 that we met in last 2 years, I would guess there are only few more spots for each family to have ranked above Jinsung Ha.

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I don't think Zahard can counter hax like Urek does. It's definitely specific to Urek.

You are comparing people who aren't at the same level at all. Yuri is much younger compared to Jinsung and she is not only a Zahard Princess, she is a Ha. At her peak she'll definitely be superior to Jinsung physically. Androssi is a Regular. Maschenny has pretty much no feats. Zahard Princesses are always stated to be the best physically.

Jinsung himself is a jobber now but his physical abilities are the real deal.

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He is barely CC tier. Definitely not that big of a deal among the Has.

Yeah, but I feel like CC tier is pretty strong, we just got spoiled a lot lately by some of the strongest people in the tower. If I had to guess I would say there can be maybe only 5-6 people ranked higher than him from Ha family and maybe 1-2 more people who are ranked lower (due to their ranking dropping from being innactive or something similar) but are still stronger than him. So even by some worst estimation I would say he should be top 10 Ha at worst and top 6-8 at best which honestly is not that bad.

 

[Ray Barracuda]

I think Jinsung is really high on the scale tbh. He said himself even among Ha people he is a very special one and implied how others from Ha family ruin image of them by basically being trash. Mascheny commented how freaking durable he is. Surely there are stronger Ha members than him, but I start to wonder how many top 100 spots is left unused considering on the amount of people in top 100 that we met in last 2 years, I would guess there are only few more spots for each family to have ranked above Jinsung Ha.

There a Lotta unranked people in the families, not everyone is chosen to climb so Jinsungs statement only applies to the unnamed fodders who have climbed before.

But as he's someone weaker than pre-amp Kallavan, there's absolutely no way he's amongst the top tier in that family.

Ain't no way that there are no monsters equal to Dumas and also those who wash him in there else the Ha family and Po Bidau family might be super close in strength of which we know is wrong.

 

[XXGenesis]

I gonna vote Yes. As of current chapter, my mind was settled with Gustang’s inner dialogue, explaining his fist. I can’t believe a TOG YouTuber predicted as much, in was thinking nah, his abilities aren’t so str8 fowardly OP…lol I was wrong


Now I have my original interpretation on Urek again. He’s the only person able to kill Jahad besides Baam. Urek & Jahad are on another lv from the FH’s. He’s more than likely stronger than Jahad as an individual.

Urek’s hands & feet defy the laws & rules of the tower. That’s just absurd even for an Irregular.

 

[Pro Factor]

There a Lotta unranked people in the families, not everyone is chosen to climb so Jinsungs statement only applies to the unnamed fodders who have climbed before.

But as he's someone weaker than pre-amp Kallavan, there's absolutely no way he's amongst the top tier in that family.

Ain't no way that there are no monsters equal to Dumas and also those who wash him in there else the Ha family and Po Bidau family might be super close in strength of which we know is wrong.

When in doubt - use math.

Jinsung is top 100 (Wiki confirms it as well as what we know about him)

We know at least 25 places are being filled in top 100 and that’s literally on top of my head.

15 is probably taken also by some people I forgot from these newer arcs, but even if it‘s 70 and if Jinsung is ranked exactly 100th you would still only have around 7 people from each family to fill out top 100 list. Let’s assume Ha family has a bit more spots than weaker families and he is still in top 10 Ha family members. As I said being CC level is extremely impressive, people just forgot how strong CC level is because those characters were relevant like 2-3 years ago.

Also keep in mind it’s not logical to have a lot of people stronger than Jinsung in Ha family because Yuri said that princesses would be enough to beat combined forces of 10 Great Families. If 10 Great families had a lot of people stronger than a person like Jinsung Ha that statement would not be true. That‘s how I feel at least.

 

[Ray Barracuda]

Also keep in mind it’s not logical to have a lot of people stronger than Jinsung in Ha family because Yuri said that princesses would be enough to beat combined forces of 10 Great Families. If 10 Great families had a lot of people stronger than a person like Jinsung Ha that statement would not be true. That‘s how I feel at least.

Yuri said the princesses can destroy the ten great families?

Da hell, how'd I miss that.

 

[Demonspeed]

Also keep in mind it’s not logical to have a lot of people stronger than Jinsung in Ha family because Yuri said that princesses would be enough to beat combined forces of 10 Great Families. If 10 Great families had a lot of people stronger than a person like Jinsung Ha that statement would not be true. That‘s how I feel at least.

Don't tell me you believe this?

 

[Pro Factor]

Yuri said the princesses can destroy the ten great families?

Da hell, how'd I miss that.

Well she said princesses can defeat combined army of all the 10 great families (exclusing FHs duuuuh)

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Don't tell me you believe this?

I do but purely because of the fact that they have Adori and Hegi who are like 80-90% of their firepower. Also obviously without FHs.

 

[Demonspeed]

Of course it's without the FHs. It still makes absolutely no sense. Yuri is 100% replying like this because she felt provoked and wanted to defend herself.

Zahard Princesses alone can't possibly defeat the combined army of the 10 GF. It's simply ridiculous. Zahard Princesses aren't that many to begin with and some aren't even Rankers. Hagi is also not at the same level as Adori.

 

[Ray Barracuda]

Well she said princesses can defeat combined army of all the 10 great families (exclusing FHs duuuuh)

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I do but purely because of the fact that they have Adori and Hegi who are like 80-90% of their firepower. Also obviously without FHs.

That's quite bullshit, even Adori the best she's been hyped capable of doing was wiping out the Po Bidau family.

Zahard princesses are full of fodders, if Zahard alone held that much power to wipe out the ten families then there's absolutely no way the FH's would have stood for it and not instead wiped him and his army off the map or splintered it to high extremes so as to keep an equilibrium.

There's a balance here that can't be breached, Yuri was 100% saving face right there.

 

[Pro Factor]

Of course it's without the FHs. It still makes absolutely no sense. Yuri is 100% replying like this because she felt provoked and wanted to defend herself.

Zahard Princesses alone can't possibly defeat the combined army of the 10 GF. It's simply ridiculous. Zahard Princesses aren't that many to begin with and some aren't even Rankers. Hagi is also not at the same level as Adori.

I don’t suggest she is on same level,but she is still much higher level than almost anyone from FHs army would be. I do wonder if in that hypothetical scenario people ranked bellow top 300 would even matter thought. We saw in last station how regular rankers die to Evankhell attack like it’s nothing. And if it were only top 200-300 that fight I guess they would have a chance. Also answer might differ if Enne is counted towards princesses or no. I know she is against Zahard and all, but we saw that Zahard has some sort of way to freeze princesses when they see him, maybe he can control them also, just a guess.

 

[maverickframe_19]

I would be very surprised if Zahard is stronger than Urek in a battle. I can see them being equal,but Urek dec


Jinsung is pretty high on the scale. He is grandson of Yurin Ha.

Guys, I look at this from this perspective. There is nothing wrong with Urek being the strongest. The problem is if he is the strongest and can beat Zahard then that for me would be a bad narrative choice especially when Urek doesn't want this status quo to change. What will it take for Urek to change his views on the current system of FHs and the Zahard empire? How will the story progress if he keeps intervening in every FH death battle? Something has to give right? Zahard has all this build-up of being the top bully of the tower. For me, it would be very fair enough on SIU's part for Zahard to be the strongest entity after the Admins in the tower. Because in some way or another Urek has to be stopped or his mindset needs to change regarding the current status quo.

Otherwise how would you progress the story?

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I think Jinsung is really high on the scale tbh. He said himself even among Ha people he is a very special one and implied how others from Ha family ruin image of them by basically being trash. Mascheny commented how freaking durable he is. Surely there are stronger Ha members than him, but I start to wonder how many top 100 spots is left unused considering on the amount of people in top 100 that we met in last 2 years, I would guess there are only few more spots for each family to have ranked above Jinsung Ha.

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Yeah, but I feel like CC tier is pretty strong, we just got spoiled a lot lately by some of the strongest people in the tower. If I had to guess I would say there can be maybe only 5-6 people ranked higher than him from Ha family and maybe 1-2 more people who are ranked lower (due to their ranking dropping from being innactive or something similar) but are still stronger than him. So even by some worst estimation I would say he should be top 10 Ha at worst and top 6-8 at best which honestly is not that bad.

Jinsung needs to get back in the gym or dojo and start training his body and techniques again. I think there is such a potential in this character and with war around the corner, FUG needs their allies to be the strongest they have ever been.

 

[Ray Barracuda]

Guys, I look at this from this perspective. There is nothing wrong with Urek being the strongest. The problem is if he is the strongest and can beat Zahard then that for me would be a bad narrative choice especially when Urek doesn't want this status quo to change. What will it take for Urek to change his views on the current system of FHs and the Zahard empire? How will the story progress if he keeps intervening in every FH death battle? Something has to give right? Zahard has all this build-up of being the top bully of the tower. For me, it would be very fair enough on SIU's part for Zahard to be the strongest entity after the Admins in the tower. Because in some way or another Urek has to be stopped or his mindset needs to change regarding the current status quo.

Otherwise how would you progress the story?

You didn't listen at all, Urek doesn't wanna protect the status quo, he's not in support of the FH's or Zahard flat out stated to us in the FOD.

Him not having an interest in becoming king does not equal he doesn't wanna change the status quo, first appearance we were made aware of this straight up.


If Urek wasn't in support of change he would have told Baam to halt his goal of eventually killing Zahard which he didn't, don't make stuff up man.


Baek Ryun for some reason right now says it's not time for any FH's to die yet, not that he's in support of their actions but I guess some things are happening under the radar and maybe he needs them for something.

The ultimate goal for Baek is to get out eventually and I guess he somehow needs the FH's for that, why would he or Urek wanna protect the status quo?

 

[Pro Factor]

You didn't listen at all, Urek doesn't wanna protect the status quo, he's not in support of the FH's or Zahard flat out stated to us in the FOD.

Him not having an interest in becoming king does not equal he doesn't wanna change the status quo, first appearance we were made aware of this straight up.


If Urek wasn't in support of change he would have told Baam to halt his goal of eventually killing Zahard which he didn't, don't make stuff up man.


Baek Ryun for some reason right now says it's not time for any FH's to die yet, not that he's in support of their actions but I guess some things are happening under the radar and maybe he needs them for something.

The ultimate goal for Baek is to get out eventually and I guess he somehow needs the FH's for that, why would he or Urek wanna protect the status quo?

A bit off topic but do we know how many wings on his back Baek Ryun has? Well he probably doesn‘t have a tattoo like Urek but a badge, but that’s not the point.