Discussion Fairy Tail Power Ranking Thread

[Jhonatas Fernandes]

There isn't many evidence that he is below Larcade, let alone Dimaria, Larcade was just said to be above regular spriggans like August and Irene, but he is explicitly said to be below them and no direct comparison with Fairy Tail S-Class mages was made, as they also are above regular spriggans, i mean, he can affect them, but a direct matchup could be a complete different story, you basically just need pain to resist his magic. Enchanted Neinhart can overcome Brandish magic, Natsu one shotted him, do you really think that Gildarts can't overcame her? Because this is precisely what i think, i also think that about Laxus and Jellal, all BDSK, Natsu depening on his emotions, DF Gajeel, peak Gray and 100YQ Erza. Natsu was only affected by Brandish because he let his guard down and lost his emotion amp that put him at S-Class level.

And it's not clear that it was a strength order, if he had put ''August, Irene, Larcade, Dimaria, God Serena'' fine, you would have a point and there were no way to run from the strength order, but the problem is precisely the greater than sign (>), it was put only after August and Irene and never used again, which created a doubt for even Larcade position.

For me, there is no point in keeping a discussion with someone who denies every manga statement to sustain his "own logic".

 

[Sevently]

Mashima not knowing who would win between Laxus and Suzaku doesn’t prove that Suzaku is stronger than Kirin. It simply confirms that they are on the same level. However, it shows that it’s not always the strongest who wins in a fight, but the one with the best abilities (like Haku, Brandish, Dimaria, etc.)

 

[GodSlayer666]

. And you're the best? You're new here. I've been debating here since 2022. I don't take most of this debate seriously anymore because people like you have blockheads and information doesn't pass through it. Hell I haven't even read this manga since faris appeared.

This is the kind of thing i'm pointing, i never said i'm the best debater, just that you are the weakest, but you simply turned my phrase in other thing just like some people here do with some statements. Not even discussing current manga stuff now lol.

It doesn't change the fact that historia Serena is still a small fry. You try to sound like you're some kinda expert in power scaling or whatever but you're not. You just yap and yap and yap. You and your arguments have been debunked but you still yap

I'm just saying that the fact that you rely on Ad Hominem and haughtiness is what makes you the weakest debater. Now turn my phrase in other thing like you do with statements in the series.

For me, there is no point in keeping a discussion with someone who denies every manga statement to sustain his "own logic".

Show the statement i'm ignoring. According to Cambridge Dictionary- Ignore: to not listen or to not give attention to something or someone.
I'm giving attention to the spriggan ranking, i'm just not seeing that ''Larcade, Dimaria, God Serena'' as the same of ''Larcade>Dimaria>God Serena'' because it simply isn't.

Mashima not knowing who would win between Laxus and Suzaku doesn’t prove that Suzaku is stronger than Kirin. It simply confirms that they are on the same level. However, it shows that it’s not always the strongest who wins in a fight, but the one with the best abilities (like Haku, Brandish, Dimaria, etc.)

And people need to stop this mental gymnastics about Suzaku not being above Kirin, he always had the superior feats and the mere doubt about who would win between Suzaku and the guy who defeated Suzaku just confirmed the obvious. If Suzaku is around the same level of Kirin then he is stronger than Kirin, end of case.

 

[Jhonatas Fernandes]

Show the statement i'm ignoring. According to Cambridge Dictionary- Ignore: to not listen or to not give attention to something or someone.
I'm giving attention to the spriggan ranking, i'm just not seeing that ''Larcade, Dimaria, God Serena'' as the same of ''Larcade>Dimaria>God Serena'' because it simply isn't.



And people need to stop this mental gymnastics about Suzaku not being above Kirin, he always had the superior feats and the mere doubt about who would win between Suzaku and the guy who defeated Suzaku just confirmed the obvious. If Suzaku is around the same level of Kirin then he is stronger than Kirin, end of case.

You are ignoring a question asked directly to the author about the Spriggan 12 power order list. Is it not funny how Mashima said first the name of the two described by the strongest duo then Larcade, who was put by himself and by reach of his "magic" as the third strongest, then Dimaria, who, in the same interview, Mashima said that was a character difficult to deal because her power is so strong that the author himself had trouble to create ways to defeat her, and then God Serena, the one you're trying to put by your own reason as the third strongest?

Let me remind you that Gray, someone who has known Gildarts since always, described Brandish's magic power as "It's like nothing I've sensed before."

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Thus, what makes you think that Gildart's magic power is above Brandish to be enough to nullify her Command T? Neinhart is also a Spriggan (so obviously he is at Spriggan level) and only after he was enhanced by Irene's Enchantments he could nullify Bradish's mass manipulation on him. The fact that Brandish was shocked about it and that she stated that Neinhart was immune to her magic NOW already proved it. She also stated that Irene made him far stronger because of this feat.

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In the end, it doesn't matter if Gildarts can beat Neinhart or Larcade, because the first opponent has an obvious weakness: he can't fight in the front line, because his endurance is low, however, if he fought hiding himself he has the kind of power to give Gildarts a really hard time; in Larcade's case, he is a more complete fighter than Neinhart, but we don't know how much time would take to Gildarts fall for his 3 magics that works on human sensations (pleasure, hunger, and sleep), even so, Larcade's magic worked on Gildarts, Irene, and Zeref said that could work even on Acnologia, which obviously put his magic beyond Gildart's magic level reach and also beyond the regular Spriggan level magic reach.
Not necessarily the expression "If A defeats B and B can defeat C, A also would defeat C" needs to be true.
By portrayal, Gildarts stayed on the floor rendered by Larcade's AOE pleasure spell, so there is the hint that Gildarts wouldn't even be able to put up a fight against him, even though Gildarts is stronger than the wizard who defeated Larcade.

The fact that God Serena isn't the third strongest Spriggan and that he isn't stronger than Dimaria (because of her main magic) is too obvious, so stop denying it.

 

[Dimitri1220]

Or that’s what Mirajane thinks happened. I’ll say this, END being able to walk in time stop as an ability he has is just dumb narrative wise. Might as well make him immune to all magic.

It’s not, Zeref created END with the intention to kill him, so why not give him abilities/resistances that’ll help in a fight? Fire magic to burn his black magic, time stop resistance against the best time magic user in the verse, and Natsu’s scarf which absorbs death magic.

 

[WoWfan]

wait you're right. that makes sense. we need to see through other pov. Wall is surely the weakest, but Laxus is capable of oneshotting Ajeel, who is above Wall. ooohhh

We honestly do not know that, he was not like totally freaking out, example like Flare was with Lucy's attempted attack. Also, there is more than one way to hurt someone with resistance besides just their element, and it is strength too, and Laxus' strength alone would not be enough, Laxus could still perform normally when the bane particles are not harming him as he stated and Wall stated he operates the top of Fairy Tail's tier.

 

[Jhonatas Fernandes]

Why are you discussing if END has some natural ability to nullify time spell or not when Dimaria already indicated that anyone who surpasses her power level can nullify it? We just don't know the extent of superiority that it needs to do that. I guess that is similar to Brandish's case since both mages stated that their magic hax was nullified because the enemy had more power/was far stronger than them.

 

[Yunkers]

It’s not, Zeref created END with the intention to kill him, so why not give him abilities/resistances that’ll help in a fight? Fire magic to burn his black magic, time stop resistance against the best time magic user in the verse, and Natsu’s scarf which absorbs death magic.

END couldn't have any time-resisting abilities for one simple reason. If he have them, then Natsu will be also immune to any Time Magic as END Core was always there, working. Natsu fought Ultear normally, he was not immune to Eclipse Gate, so time-magic immunity is not something he natually has.
Also, why would he be gifted with Time-Magic immunity? It has nothing to do with killing Zeref, especially if you remember that Natsu was created before Zeref even met Mavis, so the whole "destroying time" was not an option.

 

[WoWfan]

END couldn't have any time-resisting abilities for one simple reason. If he have them, then Natsu will be also immune to any Time Magic as END Core was always there, working. Natsu fought Ultear normally, he was not immune to Eclipse Gate, so time-magic immunity is not something he natually has.
Also, why would he be gifted with Time-Magic immunity? It has nothing to do with killing Zeref, especially if you remember that Natsu was created before Zeref even met Mavis, so the whole "destroying time" was not an option.

Not really, Natsu wasn’t a demon until he actually started becoming one, like with Galuna Island wher the temple rejects demons and Natsu was not one at the time, same can be said when he touches Erza’s spear when it can repel evil too.

Eclipse Gate absorbed his magic, not manipulating Natsu’s time or what not, same with Ultear when she Can’t manipulate living being’s time.

it is not that END is immune to time, he is just stronger than the powers of Gods which is nec to defeat Zeref since his immortality is god based power.

 

[Yunkers]

Eclipse Gate absorbed his magic, not manipulating Natsu’s time or what not, same with Ultear when she Can’t manipulate living being’s time.

Eclipse Gate does use Time Magic, if Zeref added some Time Magic restistance to END he would not allow to use it on Natsu.
Arc of Time does allow to manipulate living being's magic to some degree - that's exactly how 2nd and 3rd Orgin Release work.

it is not that END is immune to time, he is just stronger than the powers of Gods which is nec to defeat Zeref since his immortality is god based power.

My post was a reponse to another post suggesting that Zeref could have added time magic resistance to END. He could, but he most certainly didn't.

 

[Ronin31]

For the Suzaku vs Laxus threat, yes, for me, that's only means that the Black Dragons are all relative but with differents ways to fight.

Remember that Laxus only beated Kirin after pulling out his own lacrima and after eating Elexion's soul :
* It revealed that the lacrima helds his own Magic Power but we currently don't know by how percent.
* Remember, when a Slayer eat an element to take a new mode for the first time, he is this moment at his peak. Eating an element boosts a slayer's capacity by far. Then, after that, this boost is reduced to a fragment of this power up when the slayer uses it by his own will.
exemple :
* See when Natsu used his Thunder against Hades, then vs Max : he said he can't produce the same strength.
* See when Natsu used FDK mode vs Zeleph and then the one he produced with his own will.

So the Laxus who destroyed Kirin this moment was stronger than the one he is today. Laxus' power is currently between the one who fought Erza and the one who destroyed Kirin. For me, Laxus is currently Kirin's level, more or less, as Kirin was stronger by some mergin. And it's already a level up for Laxus as Kirin was compared to Gildarts. And as Mashima put them like "Natsu and Grey" in the end of the arc is a good exemple, as Laxus never was like that before with any characters.

 

[WoWfan]

Eclipse Gate does use Time Magic, if Zeref added some Time Magic restistance to END he would not allow to use it on Natsu.
Arc of Time does allow to manipulate living being's magic to some degree - that's exactly how 2nd and 3rd Orgin Release work.

My post was a reponse to another post suggesting that Zeref could have added time magic resistance to END. He could, but he most certainly didn't.

Only when it actually connects to different points in time, it is just absorbing magic otherwise. Sure but Natsu was not END at the time. It is not really about time resistance, more about god power resistance as END.

 

[Yunkers]

Sure but Natsu was not END at the time.

He had Demon Seed the whole time. He also isn't a Dragon, but he can use some Dragon-only abilities, like better smell or bigger lungs. So Seed is enough to show some of another race's abilities.
So since Demon Seed was inside him the whole time, "passive" abilities should show to some degree. But they didn't. Therefore it's clear that END doensn't have any hidden abilities.

I mean, the most true answer is that END came too late, and Hiro didn't have time to establish correctly any his abilities. But from what we saw, it's clear that END is just a demonic power-boost. And nothing more.

 

[WoWfan]

He had Demon Seed the whole time. He also isn't a Dragon, but he can use some Dragon-only abilities, like better smell or bigger lungs. So Seed is enough to show some of another race's abilities.
So since Demon Seed was inside him the whole time, "passive" abilities should show to some degree. But they didn't. Therefore it's clear that END doensn't have any hidden abilities.

I mean, the most true answer is that END came too late, and Hiro didn't have time to establish correctly any his abilities. But from what we saw, it's clear that END is just a demonic power-boost. And nothing more.

It did not exist until Zeref shot that whole in the book which is what let the Demon Seed to be planted. He wasn’t human either as stated in Edolas, just as he wasn’t a dragon. You can use dragon powers without a seed inside you as proven after Natsu choosing to be human. As END he can used cursed flames, and can overcome the powers of a god. Sure END is a late and messy concept, but originally Hiro did plan to have Natsu be non-human in concept at least.

 

[Yunkers]

It did not exist until Zeref shot that whole in the book which is what let the Demon Seed to be planted

Zeref's shot created a tumour, not Demon Seed. Natsu was able to use END's power the whole time, and he did it in non-canon movie (but the storyboard to the movie was created by Mashima and its events were incorporated into the anime).

 

[WoWfan]

Zeref's shot created a tumour, not Demon Seed. Natsu was able to use END's power the whole time, and he did it in non-canon movie (but the storyboard to the movie was created by Mashima and its events were incorporated into the anime).

The tumor is the demon seed, Porkyusica confirmed that. It is a canon movie and it is stated to be dragonized.

 

[Yunkers]

The tumor is the demon seed, Porkyusica confirmed that. It is a canon movie and it is stated to be dragonized.

No, Animus clearly recognized that Natsu's form as END.

 

[WoWfan]

No, Animus clearly recognized that Natsu's form as END.

Others have called Natsu out as END even without his dragon form because his demon form differs from his dragon one. If anything it is more demeanor than appearance.

 

[GL_Nova]

I'm not assuming anything. It what he said and everyone read the same thing.
August Irene>larcade dimaria and god Serena and last place is little tiny Mr Wahl . Laxus's performance ain't impressive. See how you're struggling to believe Wahl is the weakest s12. https://www.famitsu.com/article/202411/24613
Maybe laxus should have fought another top s12 like his equal Erza did. Nah he ghosted as usual when the big boys show up


So you can leech feats for your boy laxus?


If mashima says so. Can't argue with the author right

I mean yeah, his clone was enough to the Spriggan of an entirely seperate squad. That being said. Laxus is literally dying. Wahl absorbs electricity. Impressive as fuck, but you're welcome to be nonplussed, or to try and convince yourself this is a loss of some kind. Do you.

Ok, so who should have missed out? Also, at this point in the story, Erza ain't his equal. Hence why she needed assistance and saving in each Spriggan encounter she had...

I don't gotta leech anything. I'm really confused why your in the power scaling thread, if the mechanics of power scaling leave you so obviously butthurt. Walk me through it.

My bad, could run that quote back. The Dimaria is stronger than Gildarts one. Cause it seems less like I'm arguing with the author, and more like your personal interpretation of his words.

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There isn't many evidence that he is below Larcade, let alone Dimaria, Larcade was just said to be above regular spriggans like August and Irene, but he is explicitly said to be below them and no direct comparison with Fairy Tail S-Class mages was made, as they also are above regular spriggans, i mean, he can affect them, but a direct matchup could be a complete different story, you basically just need pain to resist his magic. Enchanted Neinhart can overcome Brandish magic, Natsu one shotted him, do you really think that Gildarts can't overcame her? Because this is precisely what i think, i also think that about Laxus and Jellal, all BDSK, Natsu depening on his emotions, DF Gajeel, peak Gray and 100YQ Erza. Natsu was only affected by Brandish because he let his guard down and lost his emotion amp that put him at S-Class level.

And it's not clear that it was a strength order, if he had put ''August, Irene, Larcade, Dimaria, God Serena'' fine, you would have a point and there were no way to run from the strength order, but the problem is precisely the greater than sign (>), it was put only after August and Irene and never used again, which created a doubt for even Larcade position.



Dude you are the weakest debater here, you mostly relies on Ad Hominem and now is being even dishonest, Gildarts called HISTORIA Serena a ''fly'' (small fry) and even then he was scratched by this ''fly'', but he praised his ALIVE VERSION.

Formidable mage=Fly according to mister AdHominemLord#10. Some accused me of spreading misinformation, but they never debunked me like i'm debunking this OBJECTIVE DISHONESTY



Suzaku was never beaten by Kirin, this is just headcanon, and Suzaku stomping Laxus is also a option. Bu what i'm pointing is that, the mere fact that Mashima HAS YET TO THINK about who would win between Suzaku and the GUY WHO DEFEATED KIRIN, is enough to put Suzaku above Kirin. Abilities details are just details that he needs to think to not answer arbitrarily, but the the pure doubt already puts Suzaku above Kirin.

If he said anything about how strong they are, you'd have an argument. He mentioned their types. Do you wanna do this whole circle again, or was their something else?

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We honestly do not know that, he was not like totally freaking out, example like Flare was with Lucy's attempted attack. Also, there is more than one way to hurt someone with resistance besides just their element, and it is strength too, and Laxus' strength alone would not be enough, Laxus could still perform normally when the bane particles are not harming him as he stated and Wall stated he operates the top of Fairy Tail's tier.

You know what you never answer @WoWfan, and ima ask for like the 100th or so time. Why the fuck, should I believe the IDIOT who thought he could take on ALL OF ISHGAR ALONE, then got packed the fuck up by Lisanna and Elfman instead of the King of Magic. Why?

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For the Suzaku vs Laxus threat, yes, for me, that's only means that the Black Dragons are all relative but with differents ways to fight.

Remember that Laxus only beated Kirin after pulling out his own lacrima and after eating Elexion's soul :
* It revealed that the lacrima helds his own Magic Power but we currently don't know by how percent.
* Remember, when a Slayer eat an element to take a new mode for the first time, he is this moment at his peak. Eating an element boosts a slayer's capacity by far. Then, after that, this boost is reduced to a fragment of this power up when the slayer uses it by his own will.
exemple :
* See when Natsu used his Thunder against Hades, then vs Max : he said he can't produce the same strength.
* See when Natsu used FDK mode vs Zeleph and then the one he produced with his own will.

So the Laxus who destroyed Kirin this moment was stronger than the one he is today. Laxus' power is currently between the one who fought Erza and the one who destroyed Kirin. For me, Laxus is currently Kirin's level, more or less, as Kirin was stronger by some mergin. And it's already a level up for Laxus as Kirin was compared to Gildarts. And as Mashima put them like "Natsu and Grey" in the end of the arc is a good exemple, as Laxus never was like that before with any characters.

My bad, can you elaborate on the last part? What did he say?

 

[WoWfan]

I mean yeah, his clone was enough to the Spriggan of an entirely seperate squad. That being said. Laxus is literally dying. Wahl absorbs electricity. Impressive as fuck, but you're welcome to be nonplussed, or to try and convince yourself this is a loss of some kind. Do you.

Ok, so who should have missed out? Also, at this point in the story, Erza ain't his equal. Hence why she needed assistance and saving in each Spriggan encounter she had...

I don't gotta leech anything. I'm really confused why your in the power scaling thread, if the mechanics of power scaling leave you so obviously butthurt. Walk me through it.

My bad, could run that quote back. The Dimaria is stronger than Gildarts one. Cause it seems less like I'm arguing with the author, and more like your personal interpretation of his words.

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If he said anything about how strong they are, you'd have an argument. He mentioned their types. Do you wanna do this whole circle again, or was their something else?

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You know what you never answer @WoWfan, and ima ask for like the 100th or so time. Why the fuck, should I believe the IDIOT who thought he could take on ALL OF ISHGAR ALONE, then got packed the fuck up by Lisanna and Elfman instead of the King of Magic. Why?

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My bad, can you elaborate on the last part? What did he say?

Never said he could take on ALL of Ishgar, but for his later fight as iffy as it was, Elfman managed to work against Ajeel because he can resist sand magic, and Lisanna compensates for Elfman’s weaknesses too. Much like how END is stronger than majority if not all of the Spriggans but Gray with IDS magic can counter hard.