Discussion Fairy Tail Power Ranking Thread

[GodSlayer666]

Would not when Mystogen made her a contender for strongest using anime which Hiro oversaw. Would not say that considering Natsu Could put up a fight against one of wizard Saints even without DF, even Erza mentions Natsu possibly being stronger than her. All this would stem from his potential considering his power fluxes based on emotional state. Again, hope is not the same thing as might nor even maybe as hope is a desire for something that has not happened while might is something that can possibly happen based in the realm of certainty. Erza could take hits from Laxus before and survive Without her staggering, the only time she felt pain is when Laxus took advantage of her distress, you have to look at current performances too such as how Laxus breaking Erza’s thunder armor yet still extreme diff won to tie, yet before he couldn’t, that speaks volumes for any other rankings. Wendy with DF is stronger than Jura since he could not destroy a Face structure and she could, and Laxus struggled against Jura. And yet Zeref said he could go which he has more experience, power and authority over August. Spriggans of Brandish tier can still hold their own against peak DGs, that is because Hiro stated he doesn’t do power creeping in this series. Bixlow was beaten by Lucy too, not sure what you mean there, and that weakest was nerfed, it speaks to the level of power that S-Tiers in FT or similar have, you are talking current when Natsu can potentially reach that level, just like he can potentially be strongest with emotions. I never said he can solo all at once, but he still puts up a fight against Laxus that makes him tired and injured like Wall did, you keep saying Elfman and Lisanna when they were playing on Ajeel’s weakness and was acknowledged to be strong by Natsu’s standards, he was even a contender for the S-Class exams too, yet August and Invel did not speak up which they would do anything to protect Zeref’s honor even when Ajeel called Zeref crazy, he said that in context of strength comparing directly to GS, Zeref didn’t say he couldn’t based on strength. So you are saying that Natsu actually used actual effort against Neinhart because he had emotional boost? Orion was not enough to beat him and had to actually add other attacks too, but that was a robot at the time so we do not know if it was actual GS strength since he could injure and draw blood from Gildarts himself. Not a big deal when comparing to splitting the atmosphere open until you see space and firing faster than light spells at your enemies, he did not, there is a difference between just adding two more projectiles to the same attack and firing projectiles that hit with the kinetic energy from FTL speeds. Acno was an exception because of his powers and tier In the entire verse. sleeping was a slow process for all of them, trying to inflict pain on oneself did not halt that, if he had any resistance it was because it was White Magic, when he was hit by the tendrils that makes him feel happy he just scarfed that down because he never had sex before. Natsu was not resisting, otherwise Zeref would not have intervened. Irene was affected because she had sex before and her powers were even weakened to a significant degree. Ajeel can react to Erza even at close range, same with Jacob to Natsu, and they could react to Laxus’ attacks, how can’t GS not be faster than Jacob or Brandish despite relative tiering? Acno is the only exception for comparison considering he is the strongest in the Verse, and even nerfed GS could match Gildarts in speed.

I'm taking manga Mystogan opinion over anime Mystogan opinion. The whole point of Erza being a sacrifice in Tower of Heaven is beause she was Wizard Saint level and emotion amped Natsu was close to her at that time, Jura was wizard saint but admitted that he was no match for Makarov and should be even weaker than non full power Jellal. Possibility is not something absolute. Erza current feats is a completely different thing because in 100YQ she was portrayed to be Laxus level, while my point is that before she never was and specifically in Alvarez the gap between them seemed to be the biggest in the entire franchise.

DF Wendy basically admitted that she was weaker than Natsu

Don't take outliers like Jura and Dragon Gods jobbing so seriously

Dude i will not take Zeref opinion seriously, Ajeel would not solo Ishgar and this is a fact, besides he never said Ajeel would succeed anyway, so August opinion still superior even because he formed a opinion while Zeref never said if he could or not solo Ishgar. A spriggan was literally speedblizted by HUMAN Acno, no buddy, spriggans cannot TRULY hold their own against a DG level, anything else is the DG holding back or a outlier or the DGs are literal frauds. Laxus can one shot him so he can't really put a fight unless do you think Skullion and Madmole put a fight, or that Kyria with hypnosis not working put a fight. Being defeated by Strauss duo is still an anti-feat for a spriggan. Why should anyone should care about August and Invel lack of repreehension? Ajeel would not just fail to solo Ishgar he would fail miserably. Zeref not saying he couldn't is not the same of saying he can, he didn't make any direct statement and you wanna take what he said seriously? I'm saying that Natsu casually used the power of his emotional amp, if it was not a casual attack it would have been a named attack. Jellal just had to use Acnologia finishing blow and the doll was already losing skin with Orion, pretty bad harm if you ask me, and only Historia Serena was said to be weaker than the original, without a direct statement don't think we could assume he is weaker even because beating Serena helps Jellal portrayal as Laxus rival as both defeated Gildarts level opponents. It was a closed place, how he would change the atmosphere, and this is like asking for every Dragon Ball fight to show every single impact of the blows around the world since Goku vs Vegeta in saiyan saga. Both Natsu and Sting could die without intervention, but RIP don't have a immediate effect and it seems that pain could buy enough time for a counterattack depending on the opponent status. I actually think he is faster, but just the fact that he would need to speedblitz them would put him at huge disadvantage against people who just need to make gestures that his ''supposed place'' in the ranking would not make sense, he needs a higher magical power to grant him immunity to them for him to be ranked higher and this higher magical power is justified by Gildarts level portrayal and above Laxus rank. Even Acnologia being the strongest in the verse the DGs should be at least comparable to him in stats, so again or the DGs are holding back, or we take it as outlier or DGs are frauds.

 

[Ratrace]

Dude i will not take Zeref opinion seriously, Ajeel would not solo Ishgar and this is a fact, besides he never said Ajeel would succeed anyway, so August opinion still superior even because he formed a opinion while Zeref never said if he could or not solo Ishgar. A spriggan was literally speedblizted by HUMAN Acno, no buddy, spriggans cannot TRULY hold their own against a DG level, anything else is the DG holding back or an outlier or the DGs are literal frauds. Laxus can one shot him so he can't really put a fight unless do you think Skullion and Madmole put a fight, or that Kyria with hypnosis not working put a fight. Being defeated by Strauss duo is still an anti-feat for a spriggan. Why should anyone should care about August and Invel lack of repreehension? Ajeel would not just fail to solo Ishgar he would fail miserably. Zeref not saying he couldn't is not the same of saying he can, he didn't make any direct statement and you wanna take what he said seriously? I'm saying that Natsu casually used the power of his emotional amp, if it was not a casual attack it would have been a named attack. Jellal just had to use Acnologia finishing blow and the doll was already losing skin with Orion, pretty bad harm if you ask me, and only Historia Serena was said to be weaker than the original, without a direct statement don't think we could assume he is weaker even because beating Serena helps Jellal portrayal as Laxus rival as both defeated Gildarts level opponents. It was a closed place, how he would change the atmosphere, and this is like asking for every Dragon Ball fight to show every single impact of the blows around the world since Goku vs Vegeta in saiyan saga. Both Natsu and Sting could die without intervention, but RIP don't have a immediate effect and it seems that pain could buy enough time for a counterattack depending on the opponent status. I actually think he is faster, but just the fact that he would need to speedblitz them would put him at huge disadvantage against people who just need to make gestures that his ''supposed place'' in the ranking would not make sense, he needs a higher magical power to grant him immunity to them for him to be ranked higher and this higher magical power is justified by Gildarts level portrayal and above Laxus rank. Even Acnologia being the strongest in the verse the DGs should be at least comparable to him in stats, so again or the DGs are holding back, or we take it as outlier or DGs are frauds.

To be fair to Ajeel thinking it’s somewhat based on the information he had at that time (plus he’s arrogant as well) because he doesn’t know that some characters trained for one year and he thinks GS is the strongest human mage on the continent.

 

[WoWfan]

I'm taking manga Mystogan opinion over anime Mystogan opinion. The whole point of Erza being a sacrifice in Tower of Heaven is beause she was Wizard Saint level and emotion amped Natsu was close to her at that time, Jura was wizard saint but admitted that he was no match for Makarov and should be even weaker than non full power Jellal. Possibility is not something absolute. Erza current feats is a completely different thing because in 100YQ she was portrayed to be Laxus level, while my point is that before she never was and specifically in Alvarez the gap between them seemed to be the biggest in the entire franchise.

DF Wendy basically admitted that she was weaker than Natsu

Don't take outliers like Jura and Dragon Gods jobbing so seriously

Dude i will not take Zeref opinion seriously, Ajeel would not solo Ishgar and this is a fact, besides he never said Ajeel would succeed anyway, so August opinion still superior even because he formed a opinion while Zeref never said if he could or not solo Ishgar. A spriggan was literally speedblizted by HUMAN Acno, no buddy, spriggans cannot TRULY hold their own against a DG level, anything else is the DG holding back or a outlier or the DGs are literal frauds. Laxus can one shot him so he can't really put a fight unless do you think Skullion and Madmole put a fight, or that Kyria with hypnosis not working put a fight. Being defeated by Strauss duo is still an anti-feat for a spriggan. Why should anyone should care about August and Invel lack of repreehension? Ajeel would not just fail to solo Ishgar he would fail miserably. Zeref not saying he couldn't is not the same of saying he can, he didn't make any direct statement and you wanna take what he said seriously? I'm saying that Natsu casually used the power of his emotional amp, if it was not a casual attack it would have been a named attack. Jellal just had to use Acnologia finishing blow and the doll was already losing skin with Orion, pretty bad harm if you ask me, and only Historia Serena was said to be weaker than the original, without a direct statement don't think we could assume he is weaker even because beating Serena helps Jellal portrayal as Laxus rival as both defeated Gildarts level opponents. It was a closed place, how he would change the atmosphere, and this is like asking for every Dragon Ball fight to show every single impact of the blows around the world since Goku vs Vegeta in saiyan saga. Both Natsu and Sting could die without intervention, but RIP don't have a immediate effect and it seems that pain could buy enough time for a counterattack depending on the opponent status. I actually think he is faster, but just the fact that he would need to speedblitz them would put him at huge disadvantage against people who just need to make gestures that his ''supposed place'' in the ranking would not make sense, he needs a higher magical power to grant him immunity to them for him to be ranked higher and this higher magical power is justified by Gildarts level portrayal and above Laxus rank. Even Acnologia being the strongest in the verse the DGs should be at least comparable to him in stats, so again or the DGs are holding back, or we take it as outlier or DGs are frauds.

Since Hiro was involved it would still be close to the case, plus how Laxus thinks Erza is weak while Mystogen who contends with Laxus said he was foolish. Plus Natsu could beat an opponent that . Sure but that doesn’t stop Jura even while wounded from showing off against characters who were about to flatten someone like Natsu. But Possibility is far more quantifiable than hopeful or maybe which are based on bias or uncertain factors. Even before she could hold her own against Laxus too, her power was able to tolerate Laxus’ power. Wendy asked for Natsu to grant her strength which would be power of feelings, Natsu is much stronger than Hades at that point and can hold his own against Mard Geer, that would put him above most characters besides Dragons and Alvarez debut during Tararos. Not really outliers when you have a weaker Spriggan spell defeating at least 1 fifth the power of a Dragon God In dragon form And Jura could match Laxus power at the time so that is pretty solid right there. I never he said he could solo, but that doesn’t make him one shot material to Laxus either, He never said he would fail either, August never spoke up either so his opinion is second to Zeref’s. Besides, August did not say he will certainly lose either, he only said he would grieve, would means something at is an imaginary situation happening Based on feeling, nothing about anything based on possibility either. Acno is on a tier on his own, while Jellal is stomped by August, and the former could react to him as well. Anti-feat is based on there being no circumstances while there is one where the Strauss duo played on his weakness and are strong as Natsu stated when they fought each other, much like how Batman could play on Superman’s weakness, that ain’t no anti-feat. DGs are frauds, they have been defeated on after another, Spriggans powers could hinder DGs in dragon forms like I mentioned before, a random demon melted a large Dragon God, nerfed Zeref could damaged a Dragon God, etc.. You mean the fraud DEs? They have been irrelevant since the beginning, they are like cockroaches, no matter how many times you wash them down the drain, they crawl backup. lack of reprehension? They would call out such a thing first thing since they worship Zeref like a god. Yet his display against Erza proved otherwise and she could survive against Irene who is far stronger than Laxus. He would if it came to messing with his plans like with Irene Changing the country. Flames of emotion is still an ability which is applicable to his magic. So? Natsu was losing his skin with his Savage Flames and with a little rest he could get back into the fight. No confirmation that GS doll was as strong either, plus the historia could draw blood from Gildarts anyway so regardless it is still strong. You don’t need to beat a Spriggan to solidify Laxus’ rival when he can survive a physical attack from Acno and DE master dude could not against someone who is “Supposedly” Acno’s level. It is basic math, adding two more projectiles to a standard spell is not going to make it stronger than the astronomical power he summoned in Alvarez which delivered more energy, otherwise, sucks to be him in that situation then. that didn’t allow them to fight back without intervention either, it didn’t really do anything as Larcade mentioned, and this was powered up Sting and he is sleeping at the same time as weakened characters. MP amount one has makes them applicable to their physical stats which solidify how they fair against other characters unless circumstances called. I could safely say that DGs are frauds with the portrayals that are listed above, because Acno could perform feats that the DGs could not.

 

[Jhonatas Fernandes]

In that way the ranking where you insist that God Serena is 5th would be wrong as both Jacob and Brandish could beat him and then the one contradicting ''what Hiro supposedly said'' would be you. And you even call me biased and say that i do mental gymanstics for seeking for a logic that with contradictions

Regular spriggans hax can't affect people with higher magic power and this includes people around Gildarts level, end of case. Spriggans are way too wanked these days

Dude, I already explained how God Serena could be seen as stronger than Jacob in my post earlier: God Serena could be fast enough to blitz him and attack him continuously until his defeat before Jacob could cast his hax. Regarding Brandish, her personality could be what makes her less strong: she never aims to kill anybody; the opposite occurs with Dimaria, who tends to murder.
Your last paragraph is a lie. The overall Spriggan 12 was put in the God Serena's level, who Gildarts defined as his equal, so the base for Spriggan is to be able to cast hax spells on Gildarts.
Source: manga.

 

[GodSlayer666]

Since Hiro was involved it would still be close to the case, plus how Laxus thinks Erza is weak while Mystogen who contends with Laxus said he was foolish. Plus Natsu could beat an opponent that . Sure but that doesn’t stop Jura even while wounded from showing off against characters who were about to flatten someone like Natsu. But Possibility is far more quantifiable than hopeful or maybe which are based on bias or uncertain factors. Even before she could hold her own against Laxus too, her power was able to tolerate Laxus’ power. Wendy asked for Natsu to grant her strength which would be power of feelings, Natsu is much stronger than Hades at that point and can hold his own against Mard Geer, that would put him above most characters besides Dragons and Alvarez debut during Tararos. Not really outliers when you have a weaker Spriggan spell defeating at least 1 fifth the power of a Dragon God In dragon form And Jura could match Laxus power at the time so that is pretty solid right there. I never he said he could solo, but that doesn’t make him one shot material to Laxus either, He never said he would fail either, August never spoke up either so his opinion is second to Zeref’s. Besides, August did not say he will certainly lose either, he only said he would grieve, would means something at is an imaginary situation happening Based on feeling, nothing about anything based on possibility either. Acno is on a tier on his own, while Jellal is stomped by August, and the former could react to him as well. Anti-feat is based on there being no circumstances while there is one where the Strauss duo played on his weakness and are strong as Natsu stated when they fought each other, much like how Batman could play on Superman’s weakness, that ain’t no anti-feat. DGs are frauds, they have been defeated on after another, Spriggans powers could hinder DGs in dragon forms like I mentioned before, a random demon melted a large Dragon God, nerfed Zeref could damaged a Dragon God, etc.. You mean the fraud DEs? They have been irrelevant since the beginning, they are like cockroaches, no matter how many times you wash them down the drain, they crawl backup. lack of reprehension? They would call out such a thing first thing since they worship Zeref like a god. Yet his display against Erza proved otherwise and she could survive against Irene who is far stronger than Laxus. He would if it came to messing with his plans like with Irene Changing the country. Flames of emotion is still an ability which is applicable to his magic. So? Natsu was losing his skin with his Savage Flames and with a little rest he could get back into the fight. No confirmation that GS doll was as strong either, plus the historia could draw blood from Gildarts anyway so regardless it is still strong. You don’t need to beat a Spriggan to solidify Laxus’ rival when he can survive a physical attack from Acno and DE master dude could not against someone who is “Supposedly” Acno’s level. It is basic math, adding two more projectiles to a standard spell is not going to make it stronger than the astronomical power he summoned in Alvarez which delivered more energy, otherwise, sucks to be him in that situation then. that didn’t allow them to fight back without intervention either, it didn’t really do anything as Larcade mentioned, and this was powered up Sting and he is sleeping at the same time as weakened characters. MP amount one has makes them applicable to their physical stats which solidify how they fair against other characters unless circumstances called. I could safely say that DGs are frauds with the portrayals that are listed above, because Acno could perform feats that the DGs could not.

I'm not questioning Erza being able of holding her own with Laxus at this point in the story, i'm putting the poits that portrayals Laxus above her.

Natsu tried to say the same thing, but Franmalth debunked him saying he couldn't beat Hades alone

Neither Franmalth should as strong as Hades due to lack of skills, actually Natsu was never stronger than Hades, LFDM just temporarily put Hades down but he woke up and should have soloed in 1v1 even without Devil Heart, with Devil Heart he was the foe the highest magical power before spriggans. And both Wendy and Lucy feats are outliers because the story still portrayed Jura and Dragon Gods as top dogs in their respective periods, Wendy was never shown to be stronger than Jura, she had full mastery of DF during Alvarez so if she was stronger than Jura she could have soloed Bluenote, but that's not what happened, neither Ezel was portrayed to be one of the stronger demon gates. Jura was still one of the strongest wizards saints, Mavis even called him and the Gods of Ishgar as the Firore strongest force, which is a mistake but because Fairy Tail S Class mages, not because of Wendy.

The Dragon Gods case are even more extreme, they should be the strongest characters in the series by a huge margin, in Brandish case she boosting a dragon slayer to hold his own against a dragon god may be reasonable but Lucy injuring a dragon god smells just outlier or fraudulence on Merc's part. Spriggans are below Zeref level who is below even human acno level, this what the series portrayals and says directly, if Spriggans inferiority to Zeref and Zeref iferiority to Acno were just implyments you woud have a point but there are direct statements making this scaling.

And the whole point is nothing proves that Ajeel is not a one shot material for Laxus. August basically considered that Ajeel could have died. If Acno is holding back and not trying to blitz even Makarov can react, his dragon form is still more powerful than his human form. Dragon Gods being frauds starts a new discussion about how much weaker they are than Acnologia, if they are stronger FH Zeref, things like that, but whole PLOT puts them above the rest of the cast and the gap should be huge, i mean Selene stomped Georg, is Brandish stronger than Georg just because she boosted Lucy so she could do an outlier feat with him? Aldoron trolled the demons though, and Aldoron still copied all of Zeref powers with his mere underling. Yes the Diabolos Trio always smelled Ajeel level to me. Erza was mostly carried by Wendy enchnatments in the Irene fight, Wendy countered Irene enchantments and give Erza a DS sword for Erza to one shot Dragon Irene, nothing of this she could do without Wendy, maybe now she could but at the time she was a below Ajeel mage who was carried by an support enchanter the whole fight, and Irene madness also helped. His display against Erza was a against a 100YQ Erza who could already do enchantments alone. The savage flames were specifically used against FH Zeref, even if he culd use again he only reached this level of power later with DF. Historia Serena drawing blood from Gildarts is just to confirm alive Serena being Gildarts level and debunk negationists like AdHominemLord, and also to show that he should be superior to other spriggans, just compare him with Neinhart, Wall or Ajeel, just his historia can already match them by feats. Even Jura level Gildarts survived an Acnologia attack. Hiro don't care about maths lol. Ok where you place Dragon Gods compared to FH Zeref then?

Dude, I already explained how God Serena could be seen as stronger than Jacob in my post earlier: God Serena could be fast enough to blitz him and attack him continuously until his defeat before Jacob could cast his hax. Regarding Brandish, her personality could be what makes her less strong: she never aims to kill anybody; the opposite occurs with Dimaria, who tends to murder.
Your last paragraph is a lie. The overall Spriggan 12 was put in the God Serena's level, who Gildarts defined as his equal, so the base for Spriggan is to be able to cast hax spells on Gildarts.
Source: manga.

And i explained that if Serena only way to win is via speedblizt then his rank above them could be questioned as they need far less movements, and Brandish personality excuse is specially questionable for God Serena rank.
Explain how Ajeel and Wall aka one shot materials for Laxus and Neinhart aka one shot material for Jellal and Natsu are equals to God Serena and Gildarts then sweet heart. And let's not forget Invel aka Gray victim and Bloodman aka Gajeel victim.

 

[WoWfan]

I'm not questioning Erza being able of holding her own with Laxus at this point in the story, i'm putting the poits that portrayals Laxus above her.

Natsu tried to say the same thing, but Franmalth debunked him saying he couldn't beat Hades alone

Neither Franmalth should as strong as Hades due to lack of skills, actually Natsu was never stronger than Hades, LFDM just temporarily put Hades down but he woke up and should have soloed in 1v1 even without Devil Heart, with Devil Heart he was the foe the highest magical power before spriggans. And both Wendy and Lucy feats are outliers because the story still portrayed Jura and Dragon Gods as top dogs in their respective periods, Wendy was never shown to be stronger than Jura, she had full mastery of DF during Alvarez so if she was stronger than Jura she could have soloed Bluenote, but that's not what happened, neither Ezel was portrayed to be one of the stronger demon gates. Jura was still one of the strongest wizards saints, Mavis even called him and the Gods of Ishgar as the Firore strongest force, which is a mistake but because Fairy Tail S Class mages, not because of Wendy.

The Dragon Gods case are even more extreme, they should be the strongest characters in the series by a huge margin, in Brandish case she boosting a dragon slayer to hold his own against a dragon god may be reasonable but Lucy injuring a dragon god smells just outlier or fraudulence on Merc's part. Spriggans are below Zeref level who is below even human acno level, this what the series portrayals and says directly, if Spriggans inferiority to Zeref and Zeref iferiority to Acno were just implyments you woud have a point but there are direct statements making this scaling.

And the whole point is nothing proves that Ajeel is not a one shot material for Laxus. August basically considered that Ajeel could have died. If Acno is holding back and not trying to blitz even Makarov can react, his dragon form is still more powerful than his human form. Dragon Gods being frauds starts a new discussion about how much weaker they are than Acnologia, if they are stronger FH Zeref, things like that, but whole PLOT puts them above the rest of the cast and the gap should be huge, i mean Selene stomped Georg, is Brandish stronger than Georg just because she boosted Lucy so she could do an outlier feat with him? Aldoron trolled the demons though, and Aldoron still copied all of Zeref powers with his mere underling. Yes the Diabolos Trio always smelled Ajeel level to me. Erza was mostly carried by Wendy enchnatments in the Irene fight, Wendy countered Irene enchantments and give Erza a DS sword for Erza to one shot Dragon Irene, nothing of this she could do without Wendy, maybe now she could but at the time she was a below Ajeel mage who was carried by an support enchanter the whole fight, and Irene madness also helped. His display against Erza was a against a 100YQ Erza who could already do enchantments alone. The savage flames were specifically used against FH Zeref, even if he culd use again he only reached this level of power later with DF. Historia Serena drawing blood from Gildarts is just to confirm alive Serena being Gildarts level and debunk negationists like AdHominemLord, and also to show that he should be superior to other spriggans, just compare him with Neinhart, Wall or Ajeel, just his historia can already match them by feats. Even Jura level Gildarts survived an Acnologia attack. Hiro don't care about maths lol. Ok where you place Dragon Gods compared to FH Zeref then?



And i explained that if Serena only way to win is via speedblizt then his rank above them could be questioned as they need far less movements, and Brandish personality excuse is specially questionable for God Serena rank.
Explain how Ajeel and Wall aka one shot materials for Laxus and Neinhart aka one shot material for Jellal and Natsu are equals to God Serena and Gildarts then sweet heart. And let's not forget Invel aka Gray victim and Bloodman aka Gajeel victim.

Laxus didn’t really have that many portrayals where at Erza has and even interactions in their past fight. In the end Natsu could since he got stronger, Lucy only helped by tricking Franmalth. considering by his design that he is using the Devil’s Eye form and that he is touching the depths of magic, it would make sense he should be at that level, Hades on the otherhand could only maintain that power with the Devil’s heart because his body was old and frail. They got powerups so it would make sense. Wendy could break the Face stature when Jura could not. Considering that Bluenote could still affect Natsu with his gravity when he got serious Bluenote is more close to Natsu’s base level, considering that Jura is fourth strongest WS. 7 years went by and Tartaros have gotten stronger since, even Grimoire Heart members became stronger and still are weaker than Tartaros. Wendy is still stronger than Jura anyway as she could survive Spriggan attacks. Well Gajeel was tired after his battles so he wouldn’t be at full strength, not the first time even since another Spriggan overpower at least 1/5 a DGs power. Zeref could damage a dragon form DG, and even Acno said Zeref had enough power to conquer the world too just as Zeref commented that Acno could that as well, they complimented each other’s power, and Acno later comments how he was surprised Natsu only lost an arm when fighting Zeref. Irene managed to push back and react to Acno so, that would more accurate to say it is referring to Acno’s peak power at the time. Could have, should have, would have, it is all still speculation based on imagination without any proof of possibility. Back then, it was stated that Acno was holding back, in Alvarez it was stated he was stronger than so he was using more effort since then. By portrayal, Brandish would be stronger, and that would go for OS too since they were fighting the demons which one could damage, it only survived because of it’s nature powers. Jellal is definitely stronger than Georg since he survived worse than a palm strike. Zeref was in his nerfed state and yet could damaged Dragon form DG, enough so that it required that seed to kill himself, that shows the difference in power right there, Natsu did not even remember their names, he was not even using any fire in his combat with Wraith and said that was Natsu at Madmole’s level, and even Makarov who was amplified by Wraith, Natsu said normal Makarov is much stronger than he his amplified state (confusing lol) and still used FDK technique to win. Not all the time by Wendy, Erza still survived her attacks until she got a major boost from Wendy while in Irene’s body, and Wendy with her full potential was able to overpower Erza as well. That was just enchantments, not strength in other areas. Savage Flames are Natsu’s peak which would make hims stronger than DGs since Zeref with FH could restart the universe. Not really as Dimaria is stronger than GS according to the scaling, and they are still in the same tier listing. Wall could match even Laxus, and Neinhart could knock out Jellal in base if he hadn’t taken his attack. DG are well below Zeref with FH since the latter could destroy the universe, even in Base scales to the Phoenix who can destroy the world.

 

[GodSlayer666]

Laxus didn’t really have that many portrayals where at Erza has and even interactions in their past fight. In the end Natsu could since he got stronger, Lucy only helped by tricking Franmalth. considering by his design that he is using the Devil’s Eye form and that he is touching the depths of magic, it would make sense he should be at that level, Hades on the otherhand could only maintain that power with the Devil’s heart because his body was old and frail. They got powerups so it would make sense. Wendy could break the Face stature when Jura could not. Considering that Bluenote could still affect Natsu with his gravity when he got serious Bluenote is more close to Natsu’s base level, considering that Jura is fourth strongest WS. 7 years went by and Tartaros have gotten stronger since, even Grimoire Heart members became stronger and still are weaker than Tartaros. Wendy is still stronger than Jura anyway as she could survive Spriggan attacks. Well Gajeel was tired after his battles so he wouldn’t be at full strength, not the first time even since another Spriggan overpower at least 1/5 a DGs power. Zeref could damage a dragon form DG, and even Acno said Zeref had enough power to conquer the world too just as Zeref commented that Acno could that as well, they complimented each other’s power, and Acno later comments how he was surprised Natsu only lost an arm when fighting Zeref. Irene managed to push back and react to Acno so, that would more accurate to say it is referring to Acno’s peak power at the time. Could have, should have, would have, it is all still speculation based on imagination without any proof of possibility. Back then, it was stated that Acno was holding back, in Alvarez it was stated he was stronger than so he was using more effort since then. By portrayal, Brandish would be stronger, and that would go for OS too since they were fighting the demons which one could damage, it only survived because of it’s nature powers. Jellal is definitely stronger than Georg since he survived worse than a palm strike. Zeref was in his nerfed state and yet could damaged Dragon form DG, enough so that it required that seed to kill himself, that shows the difference in power right there, Natsu did not even remember their names, he was not even using any fire in his combat with Wraith and said that was Natsu at Madmole’s level, and even Makarov who was amplified by Wraith, Natsu said normal Makarov is much stronger than he his amplified state (confusing lol) and still used FDK technique to win. Not all the time by Wendy, Erza still survived her attacks until she got a major boost from Wendy while in Irene’s body, and Wendy with her full potential was able to overpower Erza as well. That was just enchantments, not strength in other areas. Savage Flames are Natsu’s peak which would make hims stronger than DGs since Zeref with FH could restart the universe. Not really as Dimaria is stronger than GS according to the scaling, and they are still in the same tier listing. Wall could match even Laxus, and Neinhart could knock out Jellal in base if he hadn’t taken his attack. DG are well below Zeref with FH since the latter could destroy the universe, even in Base scales to the Phoenix who can destroy the world.

Respected Mystogan more than Erza, Arc Boss, far better performance against Hades, Gray statement, all of this is portrayal. He didn't got stronger to beat Franmalth, like you said Lucy tricked him who had a clown personality which means lower battle iq. Storytelling wise Hades was portrayed to be above the likes of Gildarts in Tenrou and Laxus who just reached that level was taken from the tartarus arc to not make this arc easy, so don't think Franmalth being this strong makes much sense storytelling wise, Hades was probably highly nerfed by Franmalth low iq and lack of skills.

Tartarus DF Wendy is stronger than Jura just because of damn Face destroyed man if this is true this feels like bad writing from Hiro's part, but i think this is just inadequate scaling occasioned by taking outliers too seriously. If you say that DF Wendy is stronger than Jura than she is MUCH stronger than Mirajane. Mira herself said a team up with her and Erza would not beat Jura, even if you say something about Secon Origin Erza this is only valid for Erza, Mirajane is still much weaker than Jura

So Tartarus Wendy just surpassed Mira, and actually you could say Laxus too as he only won against Jura in extreme diff, and Gildarts is actually around them, so the dragon loli just became Fairy Tail's ACE by destroying a Face? Do you really buy it? Again this feels like bad writing or inadequate scaling, let's face it it's probably the later and Tartarus Natsu (no DF) was stronger than DF Wendy.

Zeref could potentially kill a DG but so can Larcade, and this is because of the nature of their hax, not because they are relative to them. Makarov grabbed Acno on Tenrou, reacting to holding back Acno is not that hard and was in DRAGON FORM, no time difference should be relevant for the gap between human Acno and Dragon Acno taking the DGs as reference.

Man you really are overestiamting Brandish

Brandish struggled against Natsu one shot material, was said to be just Ajeel level while Georg slayed a Dragon King, a son of DG and is satted to be stronger than Gildarts level Kirin (Even Serena is just Gildarts level at most) and Suzaku who is even stronger, you wanna say that the guy portaryed to be stronger than the BDSK have less portaryal than this

Yes i'm using a gag moment because like it or not it produced a REAL IMPACT in the story, Brandish was imprisioned because of this gag moment, besides people also a gag moment which didn't produced any impact to defend a misinterpreation. Not saying to take Brandish durability as casual Cana level, or take it that seriously, just to show to not rank her that high cause she don't deserves. I'm a Jellal fan but taking him that high because feats against Acnologia? Before Orion he was still overwhelmed by someone who was speedblitzed by human Acno, he objectively isn't relative to Acnologia by any means, don't take holding back Acnologia feats this seriously, Jellal case is objectively wrong for example.

Which difference in power it showed? The seed could not control Zeref powers but was still perfectly able of coping it, and this thing of nerfed Zeref is just about the control over the curse. Wraith is below Makarov level in raw power which means fodder by current standards and Natsu said that real Makarov was stronger than possessed Makarov, not stronger than himself. But Erza still needed help against base Irene who chose to steal Wendy's body instead of keep fighting normally due to personal reasons, she wanted a new body. The Enchantments made her fight equally Laxus and beat Gildarts level Misaki.

You are reading too much VS Battles, UNIVERSE LEVEL? Zeref was just going to time travel and modify the timeline which will basically destroy the original one just that, no universe buster attack, Acnologia the STRONGEST CHARACTER according to Hiro don't have this scaling

 

[GL_Nova]

Laxus knocked that girl every which way but loose

 

[WoWfan]

Respected Mystogan more than Erza, Arc Boss, far better performance against Hades, Gray statement, all of this is portrayal. He didn't got stronger to beat Franmalth, like you said Lucy tricked him who had a clown personality which means lower battle iq. Storytelling wise Hades was portrayed to be above the likes of Gildarts in Tenrou and Laxus who just reached that level was taken from the tartarus arc to not make this arc easy, so don't think Franmalth being this strong makes much sense storytelling wise, Hades was probably highly nerfed by Franmalth low iq and lack of skills.

Tartarus DF Wendy is stronger than Jura just because of damn Face destroyed man if this is true this feels like bad writing from Hiro's part, but i think this is just inadequate scaling occasioned by taking outliers too seriously. If you say that DF Wendy is stronger than Jura than she is MUCH stronger than Mirajane. Mira herself said a team up with her and Erza would not beat Jura, even if you say something about Secon Origin Erza this is only valid for Erza, Mirajane is still much weaker than Jura

So Tartarus Wendy just surpassed Mira, and actually you could say Laxus too as he only won against Jura in extreme diff, and Gildarts is actually around them, so the dragon loli just became Fairy Tail's ACE by destroying a Face? Do you really buy it? Again this feels like bad writing or inadequate scaling, let's face it it's probably the later and Tartarus Natsu (no DF) was stronger than DF Wendy.

Zeref could potentially kill a DG but so can Larcade, and this is because of the nature of their hax, not because they are relative to them. Makarov grabbed Acno on Tenrou, reacting to holding back Acno is not that hard and was in DRAGON FORM, no time difference should be relevant for the gap between human Acno and Dragon Acno taking the DGs as reference.

Man you really are overestiamting Brandish

Brandish struggled against Natsu one shot material, was said to be just Ajeel level while Georg slayed a Dragon King, a son of DG and is satted to be stronger than Gildarts level Kirin (Even Serena is just Gildarts level at most) and Suzaku who is even stronger, you wanna say that the guy portaryed to be stronger than the BDSK have less portaryal than this

Yes i'm using a gag moment because like it or not it produced a REAL IMPACT in the story, Brandish was imprisioned because of this gag moment, besides people also a gag moment which didn't produced any impact to defend a misinterpreation. Not saying to take Brandish durability as casual Cana level, or take it that seriously, just to show to not rank her that high cause she don't deserves. I'm a Jellal fan but taking him that high because feats against Acnologia? Before Orion he was still overwhelmed by someone who was speedblitzed by human Acno, he objectively isn't relative to Acnologia by any means, don't take holding back Acnologia feats this seriously, Jellal case is objectively wrong for example.

Which difference in power it showed? The seed could not control Zeref powers but was still perfectly able of coping it, and this thing of nerfed Zeref is just about the control over the curse. Wraith is below Makarov level in raw power which means fodder by current standards and Natsu said that real Makarov was stronger than possessed Makarov, not stronger than himself. But Erza still needed help against base Irene who chose to steal Wendy's body instead of keep fighting normally due to personal reasons, she wanted a new body. The Enchantments made her fight equally Laxus and beat Gildarts level Misaki.

You are reading too much VS Battles, UNIVERSE LEVEL? Zeref was just going to time travel and modify the timeline which will basically destroy the original one just that, no universe buster attack, Acnologia the STRONGEST CHARACTER according to Hiro don't have this scaling

Laxus being arrogant, Mystogan got shot down by Dragon robot while Natsu could fight it, Better doesn’t mean massively, Natsu got stronger from the seven year gap which made hims strong enough to fight someone with Hades’ power, tricked doesn’t add to stats, Franmalth had his soul so he has more knowledge about Hades than either of the two. So? That doesn’t make him able able to clear. It does as it tells the story of individual growths of characters. Franmalth did not have knowledge on FT so Lucy took advantage of Franmalth not wanting to be torn apart by the forced closed gates Of her spirits. Not really when you take scaling between Franmalth and Ezel it does make sense, it shows that Tartaros got stronger overtime as well. Not really as Laxus also praised her being strong as the “one” girl to not mess with as well that even he could be intimidated, this would put her still close to Erza’s level. It would as this power Wendy achieved is form a portion of a weapon comparable to a portion of Etherion. Base Natsu would scale to DF Wendy based on their fights. With Larcade it is more hax. for Zeref it is definitely power since it is stated to be damage base magic and created a crater from it and can push enemies back. Back then it was explicitly stated to be playing with them, while in Alvarez he is much stronger since then. It would with the amount of effort put in. You are taking Brandish’s hey fever which nerfed her? Brandish later showed she could block Lucy’s Taurus kick with one hand normally. Neinhart had more magic power, not higher stats at that point, and NAtsu was still injured by that compared to being affected by Bluenote’s gravity Which he overpowered later. Brandish could still affect him because her magic is greater. Yet Jellal could take said damage as well during Alvarez and was fine against Acno who had every reason to try when it came to killing DSs. Even a DG said that DE master was fodder compared to the DDKs. Again, she had hay fever which weakened her, magic is dependent on one’s condition afterall. It is a matter of scaling there, It is about how Jellal could intercept and dodge attacks from Acno both in human and dragon form even after a grueling battle with August. Zeref could not control his power yes but that doesn’t mean he could release his full power since he lost to Ultear. Wraith possessed Makarov which made his raw power his own including a major boost in strength, and Natsu still said that regular Makarov was stronger. Didn’t really matter which Erza still survived as such and full potential Wendy was overpowering Erza as well. Even full potential Wendy could break the stones of Dog Dude. No, He said he was doing a reset which is the same as deleting everything in time with what happened and causes the world to be destroyed. Destroying a timeline is the same thing as destroying the universe. Yes he does as he can eat an entire dimension of magic that was going to help perform the Time Reset. If we are going to say things like strength, Acno was dodging regular bullets for dear life when chasing the Christina ship instead of tanking them.

 

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Laxus being arrogant, Mystogan got shot down by Dragon robot while Natsu could fight it, Better doesn’t mean massively, Natsu got stronger from the seven year gap which made hims strong enough to fight someone with Hades’ power, tricked doesn’t add to stats, Franmalth had his soul so he has more knowledge about Hades than either of the two. So? That doesn’t make him able able to clear. It does as it tells the story of individual growths of characters. Franmalth did not have knowledge on FT so Lucy took advantage of Franmalth not wanting to be torn apart by the forced closed gates Of her spirits. Not really when you take scaling between Franmalth and Ezel it does make sense, it shows that Tartaros got stronger overtime as well. Not really as Laxus also praised her being strong as the “one” girl to not mess with as well that even he could be intimidated, this would put her still close to Erza’s level. It would as this power Wendy achieved is form a portion of a weapon comparable to a portion of Etherion. Base Natsu would scale to DF Wendy based on their fights. With Larcade it is more hax. for Zeref it is definitely power since it is stated to be damage base magic and created a crater from it and can push enemies back. Back then it was explicitly stated to be playing with them, while in Alvarez he is much stronger since then. It would with the amount of effort put in. You are taking Brandish’s hey fever which nerfed her? Brandish later showed she could block Lucy’s Taurus kick with one hand normally. Neinhart had more magic power, not higher stats at that point, and NAtsu was still injured by that compared to being affected by Bluenote’s gravity Which he overpowered later. Brandish could still affect him because her magic is greater. Yet Jellal could take said damage as well during Alvarez and was fine against Acno who had every reason to try when it came to killing DSs. Even a DG said that DE master was fodder compared to the DDKs. Again, she had hay fever which weakened her, magic is dependent on one’s condition afterall. It is a matter of scaling there, It is about how Jellal could intercept and dodge attacks from Acno both in human and dragon form even after a grueling battle with August. Zeref could not control his power yes but that doesn’t mean he could release his full power since he lost to Ultear. Wraith possessed Makarov which made his raw power his own including a major boost in strength, and Natsu still said that regular Makarov was stronger. Didn’t really matter which Erza still survived as such and full potential Wendy was overpowering Erza as well. Even full potential Wendy could break the stones of Dog Dude. No, He said he was doing a reset which is the same as deleting everything in time with what happened and causes the world to be destroyed. Destroying a timeline is the same thing as destroying the universe. Yes he does as he can eat an entire dimension of magic that was going to help perform the Time Reset. If we are going to say things like strength, Acno was dodging regular bullets for dear life when chasing the Christina ship instead of tanking them.

Laxus arrogance don't made him underrate Mystogan, Makarov and Gildarts and it's not the only point for him to be stronger than Erza. Haes trained for years, Frabmalth wouldn't master his abilities with his cownish personality and low iq. Even with no addition to stats the trick costed Franmalth advantage over Natsu. There is no statement equalizing the demon gates. Nah, nah, nah, by putting DF Wendy above Jura she wouldn't just be Erza level, it would be DF Wendy>Jura, Laxus and even Gildarts, and Ezel would be the strongest of the 9 demon gates Laxus overglazing her won't make me buy it, i read the manga, she was never protrayed to be this strong, i doubt anyone here buy it. Death magic is hax, power is only when Zeref uses magical blasts and fists.Brandish was just had a allergic crisis,a nd not saying to take that to real scaling but to show taht Brandish is not that high. Neinhart boost didn't stopped Natsu from one shotting him, the injuries weren't even great.

Neither Brandish or Jellal can be relative to Acnologia and this is objective. Brandish and other spriggans were equalized to Serena by the Gods of Ishgar, later they were even surprised by his power and dragon slayer abilities meaning he should be stronger than what they thought, besides even Hiro ranked him above Laxus so it's like Acnologia>DG>Georg>Kirin~God Serena>Alvarez Laxus>Ajeel~Brandish. And in Jellal case when human Acno tried to blitz Serena he wa done, when Jellal tried to blitz Serena he tanked, no matter how much you want talk about Jellal vs Acnologia feats they CAN'T BE USED, because Acnologia wasn't serious, end, anything else is just plot.

This was never stated and Suzaku said the opposite

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Zeref was almost killing a dragon god but it wasnt his full release Dude couldn't even stop Alvarez DF Natsu which wasn't nearly as broken as current DF Natsu.

Here is yours full potential Wendy

By TIME TRAVEL, he was just going to time travel and reset the timeline, he was not destroying a universe like he was a universe buster. Precisely because of that you can't take feats like Acnologia jobbing to Christina ship, or Wendy destroying faces and dogramag rocks for scaling.

 

[WoWfan]

Laxus arrogance don't made him underrate Mystogan, Makarov and Gildarts and it's not the only point for him to be stronger than Erza. Haes trained for years, Frabmalth wouldn't master his abilities with his cownish personality and low iq. Even with no addition to stats the trick costed Franmalth advantage over Natsu. There is no statement equalizing the demon gates. Nah, nah, nah, by putting DF Wendy above Jura she wouldn't just be Erza level, it would be DF Wendy>Jura, Laxus and even Gildarts, and Ezel would be the strongest of the 9 demon gates Laxus overglazing her won't make me buy it, i read the manga, she was never protrayed to be this strong, i doubt anyone here buy it. Death magic is hax, power is only when Zeref uses magical blasts and fists.Brandish was just had a allergic crisis,a nd not saying to take that to real scaling but to show taht Brandish is not that high. Neinhart boost didn't stopped Natsu from one shotting him, the injuries weren't even great.

Neither Brandish or Jellal can be relative to Acnologia and this is objective. Brandish and other spriggans were equalized to Serena by the Gods of Ishgar, later they were even surprised by his power and dragon slayer abilities meaning he should be stronger than what they thought, besides even Hiro ranked him above Laxus so it's like Acnologia>DG>Georg>Kirin~God Serena>Alvarez Laxus>Ajeel~Brandish. And in Jellal case when human Acno tried to blitz Serena he wa done, when Jellal tried to blitz Serena he tanked, no matter how much you want talk about Jellal vs Acnologia feats they CAN'T BE USED, because Acnologia wasn't serious, end, anything else is just plot.

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Zeref was almost killing a dragon god but it wasnt his full release Dude couldn't even stop Alvarez DF Natsu which wasn't nearly as broken as current DF Natsu.

Here is yours full potential Wendy

By TIME TRAVEL, he was just going to time travel and reset the timeline, he was not destroying a universe like he was a universe buster. Precisely because of that you can't take feats like Acnologia jobbing to Christina ship, or Wendy destroying faces and dogramag rocks for scaling.

It is his arrogance that Mystogan called him out on which made him unreliable in his claim, and his failure to oneshot Erza showed. And yet needed an item to sustain his body. Franmalth has greater intelligence stats than that of Silver and he was working behind the backs of Tartaros, and is the same level of intelligence stats as Sayla who planned FT’s destruction and almost Succeeded. His advantage was only slight anyway since Natsu has visual proof of resistance to soul steal. Maybe but Ezel has better stats in offense and defense than that of Franmalth anyway and Natsu struggled even when the former is in base, DF would be Laxus level at best, and Natsu even closed the gap between him and Gildarts at the time. You are forgetting the anime too which Hiro has influence over too. Death is abstract, but it showed to have actual force like that of an blast so it has power behind it. It does when she is under normal conditions, any factor can tip how stats work, even medical conditions. That is literally because Neinhart only had Magic power increase, not physical stats, still made Natsu bleed those while gravity affecting Natsu did no damage, that is what Bersekers are for and they can take hits from Gildarts, and they were considered weaker than Makarov and Spriggans. That is because Acno is the strongest in the series, nothing of the sorts as the good of the series Hiro said that even Dimaria is stronger than he was, even Jacob was not even sweating or surprised by GS’s power as though it was normal Because it is expected of someone of their caliber. They can be when there are so many things that can counter said points, yes it was by Selene how Georg was a scrub. And Selene stated that they were a disappointment later. And your post only proves that she did plan to lose. Yeah, that shows that showed Zeref while nerfed was damaging a DG, and DF Natsu with Savage Flames was Natsu’s peak which is stronger than anything he showed by himself. So? That is a gag, no different than that of Brandish having hay fever which lowers her stats, Wendy is a kid so she would be scared of a perverted flower. He literally stated that he is not time traveling, he is not going to the past or future but remaking it, reseting it, yes you can, because it shows that Acno is weaker than what he appears to be if going by low ball claims.

 

[GodSlayer666]

It is his arrogance that Mystogan called him out on which made him unreliable in his claim, and his failure to oneshot Erza showed. And yet needed an item to sustain his body. Franmalth has greater intelligence stats than that of Silver and he was working behind the backs of Tartaros, and is the same level of intelligence stats as Sayla who planned FT’s destruction and almost Succeeded. His advantage was only slight anyway since Natsu has visual proof of resistance to soul steal. Maybe but Ezel has better stats in offense and defense than that of Franmalth anyway and Natsu struggled even when the former is in base, DF would be Laxus level at best, and Natsu even closed the gap between him and Gildarts at the time. You are forgetting the anime too which Hiro has influence over too. Death is abstract, but it showed to have actual force like that of an blast so it has power behind it. It does when she is under normal conditions, any factor can tip how stats work, even medical conditions. That is literally because Neinhart only had Magic power increase, not physical stats, still made Natsu bleed those while gravity affecting Natsu did no damage, that is what Bersekers are for and they can take hits from Gildarts, and they were considered weaker than Makarov and Spriggans. That is because Acno is the strongest in the series, nothing of the sorts as the good of the series Hiro said that even Dimaria is stronger than he was, even Jacob was not even sweating or surprised by GS’s power as though it was normal Because it is expected of someone of their caliber. They can be when there are so many things that can counter said points, yes it was by Selene how Georg was a scrub. And Selene stated that they were a disappointment later. And your post only proves that she did plan to lose. Yeah, that shows that showed Zeref while nerfed was damaging a DG, and DF Natsu with Savage Flames was Natsu’s peak which is stronger than anything he showed by himself. So? That is a gag, no different than that of Brandish having hay fever which lowers her stats, Wendy is a kid so she would be scared of a perverted flower. He literally stated that he is not time traveling, he is not going to the past or future but remaking it, reseting it, yes you can, because it shows that Acno is weaker than what he appears to be if going by low ball claims.

His arrogance make Erza weak claim unreliable, but not make Mystogan above Erza rank unreliable. He knows how to activate abomb but is fooled by Lucy, great level of intelligence. Most people ranks Ezel as one of the weakest demon gates, but then Wendy became Fairy Tail's Ace and upscaled him the girl became stronger than Gildarts and no one bat a eye

Avatar arc DF Wendy beat some avatar fodders instead of avatar main members, God of Ishgar level portrayal for real

''But, but, she kicked Dimaria'' she kicked Base Dimaria without Aged Seal, and without it she wasnt nearly as impressive as Blueonete. Tartarus DF Natsu being Laxus and Gidarts level just make Wendy DF beinga bove Jura less reliable, and it wasn't any reliable at all. Manga canon>Anime canon.

There is nowhere saying that Neinhart didn't had a physical stat boost and even if it's just magical boost he is still superior than before and was still smashed like a fly, while Natsu ahd just minor injuries, and ofcourse his peformance should be better than Bluenote otherwise he would be a fraud.

Hiro didn't directly said that Diamria was stronger, only August and Irene were directly stated as stronger, no matter how people want to interpret this way if Dimaria hax was that broken she would be above Irene and Larcade too, and if God Serena magic power was really their level then Brandish and Jacob would be above him, but even equalizing all of them to Serena they still are below Georg. August stopped Jacob because he was just being delusional and was going to die if he faced Acno. Selene was roasting Georg, but she never said he wasn't stronger than the BDSK, being a disappoiment does not equate to weaker than Suzaku, she faked her defeat against Suzaku that's all.

Natsu can reach his ultimate peak with emotions alone everyone here will say that his original series peak was the Seven DS Flames when he beat the series final boss.

If Wendy is that powerful to destroy dogra rocks she would be above Suzaku, Natsu, Laxus and Gildarts, Fairy Tail's Ace agin, she became Fairy Tail's Ace twice with no one noticing. And since she lost Irene support she have been captured by Duke aka the most fraudulent villain group leader and been terrified by pervert flowers, Fairy Tail's Ace for real. Allergic crisis=fever now, dude she was just sneezing.

Not Time Travel

Same way people use outliers to lowball Acno you are using outliers to highball spriggans and Wendy

 

[WoWfan]

His arrogance make Erza weak claim unreliable, but not make Mystogan above Erza rank unreliable. He knows how to activate abomb but is fooled by Lucy, great level of intelligence. Most people ranks Ezel as one of the weakest demon gates, but then Wendy became Fairy Tail's Ace and upscaled him the girl became stronger than Gildarts and no one bat a eye

Avatar arc DF Wendy beat some avatar fodders instead of avatar main members, God of Ishgar level portrayal for real

''But, but, she kicked Dimaria'' she kicked Base Dimaria without Aged Seal, and without it she wasnt nearly as impressive as Blueonete. Tartarus DF Natsu being Laxus and Gidarts level just make Wendy DF beinga bove Jura less reliable, and it wasn't any reliable at all. Manga canon>Anime canon.

There is nowhere saying that Neinhart didn't had a physical stat boost and even if it's just magical boost he is still superior than before and was still smashed like a fly, while Natsu ahd just minor injuries, and ofcourse his peformance should be better than Bluenote otherwise he would be a fraud.

Hiro didn't directly said that Diamria was stronger, only August and Irene were directly stated as stronger, no matter how people want to interpret this way if Dimaria hax was that broken she would be above Irene and Larcade too, and if God Serena magic power was really their level then Brandish and Jacob would be above him, but even equalizing all of them to Serena they still are below Georg. August stopped Jacob because he was just being delusional and was going to die if he faced Acno. Selene was roasting Georg, but she never said he wasn't stronger than the BDSK, being a disappoiment does not equate to weaker than Suzaku, she faked her defeat against Suzaku that's all.

Natsu can reach his ultimate peak with emotions alone everyone here will say that his original series peak was the Seven DS Flames when he beat the series final boss.

If Wendy is that powerful to destroy dogra rocks she would be above Suzaku, Natsu, Laxus and Gildarts, Fairy Tail's Ace agin, she became Fairy Tail's Ace twice with no one noticing. And since she lost Irene support she have been captured by Duke aka the most fraudulent villain group leader and been terrified by pervert flowers, Fairy Tail's Ace for real. Allergic crisis=fever now, dude she was just sneezing.

Not Time Travel

Same way people use outliers to lowball Acno you are using outliers to highball spriggans and Wendy

Kind of does when Mystogen was taken down by an enemy that Natsu could fight against, no, it is a matter of deduction based on past experience with how his body was being ripped apart from the forced gate closure so he had to eject and let go which is Lucy taking advantage of that fear. Actually Silver stated Keyes to be the weakest, and Juvia was a candidate for S-Class in FT. Avatar main members were fodder themselves and Wendy arrived late which most were already taken. Dimaria is different as she is above GoI level and Wendy sneak attacked her, after that she couldn't land a proper hit since. no, DF Natsu was above that, even base Natsu could close the gap to Gildarts as he progressed since, Hiro had a hand so anime canon is usable. It literally stated that his Magic Power outstripped his limits, meaning that his physical limits were still there, nothing touched on that at all, Neinhart was better by default of injuries given compared to Natsu being affected by Gravity of Bluenote. in the article stating that Dimaria is stronger than GS and hax is based on strength of one's magic power so August and Irene and Larcade are stronger, which makes sense since those three are exceptionally stronger and Dimaria had to be able to affect others with her power. Of course he stopped Jacob because Acno is the Honored One of the series. Selene said that he was unworthy of their powers, that it is undeserving of attention, respect or value, which makes Georg unreliable for power scaling here, even Diabolos immediately sidelined him afterward, it actually does since Diabolos continuously stated they are of the same strength with only Kirin being stronger, which showed Suzaku's victory wasn't earned. That was a combined effort and involving a massive Nerf to Acno which made him vulnerable to magic. Yes she would, even peak Wendy was besting Erza who defeated Mizaki. Wendy had her magic stolen so Hax. Physical aliments affect how your stats are, same with hunger as it equates to magic power even, same with Jacob closing his eyes reduced his strength. Yes, not time travel. and yet it is consistent with Spriggans and Wendy.

 

[GodSlayer666]

Kind of does when Mystogen was taken down by an enemy that Natsu could fight against, no, it is a matter of deduction based on past experience with how his body was being ripped apart from the forced gate closure so he had to eject and let go which is Lucy taking advantage of that fear. Actually Silver stated Keyes to be the weakest, and Juvia was a candidate for S-Class in FT. Avatar main members were fodder themselves and Wendy arrived late which most were already taken. Dimaria is different as she is above GoI level and Wendy sneak attacked her, after that she couldn't land a proper hit since. no, DF Natsu was above that, even base Natsu could close the gap to Gildarts as he progressed since, Hiro had a hand so anime canon is usable. It literally stated that his Magic Power outstripped his limits, meaning that his physical limits were still there, nothing touched on that at all, Neinhart was better by default of injuries given compared to Natsu being affected by Gravity of Bluenote. in the article stating that Dimaria is stronger than GS and hax is based on strength of one's magic power so August and Irene and Larcade are stronger, which makes sense since those three are exceptionally stronger and Dimaria had to be able to affect others with her power. Of course he stopped Jacob because Acno is the Honored One of the series. Selene said that he was unworthy of their powers, that it is undeserving of attention, respect or value, which makes Georg unreliable for power scaling here, even Diabolos immediately sidelined him afterward, it actually does since Diabolos continuously stated they are of the same strength with only Kirin being stronger, which showed Suzaku's victory wasn't earned. That was a combined effort and involving a massive Nerf to Acno which made him vulnerable to magic. Yes she would, even peak Wendy was besting Erza who defeated Mizaki. Wendy had her magic stolen so Hax. Physical aliments affect how your stats are, same with hunger as it equates to magic power even, same with Jacob closing his eyes reduced his strength. Yes, not time travel. and yet it is consistent with Spriggans and Wendy.

Droma Animu was immune to magic outside of dragon slayer magic so even Wendy could fight him, but go ahead and rank pre-timeskip Wendy above Mystogan too, i know it's what you want, besides Laxus ranking is not the only portrayal i mentioned. Keyes is the weakest, but nothing about Ezel being a top tier, Lisanna and Levy were S-Class candidates too, what's your point? Dimaria is a spriggan level with the most broken ability, she could have been a spriggan purely on time stop alone and her base form could be basically a fodder without it. Tartarus Natsu has no Gildarts level portrayal, he was even overwhelmed by Franmalth even with wanting to give him the W it was still due to Lucy's help, and you are suggesting an Wendy even stronger than that level. The absence of physical boost statement don't necessarily means it didn't happened, and the comparison with Blueonete who should be weaker than any GoI don't help, i compared Base Dimaria to Blueoneto to say she is weak without Time Stop.

The article says August/Irene> Larcade, Dimaria, God Serena and Wall as the weakest, the absence of other greater signs creates doubt. He could have put August/Irene>Larcade>Dimaria>God Serena or put August and Irene then Larcade, then Dimaria then Serena, or put numbers 1-August/Irene, 2-Larcade, 3-Dimaria, 4-God Serena to make the ranking UNQUESTIONABLE. But we are talking about Mashima, the same guy who admits that don't powerscale his own manga and the same Mashima who sometimes says Natsu is equal to 100YQ Gray and sometimes say he don't know who is stronger between Natsu and Laxus, if blindly followed his statements i would have 100YQ Gray=Laxus, instead i look for more context than just one single statement. Taking into account the logic that Dimaria could only be ranked above him if her hax was broken enough to affect Larcade and Irene too which would make her the second strongest spriggan only to August, and that if God Serena magic power was low enough to be affected by Brandish and Jacob he also couldn't be ranked higher than them i cannot take the questionable part of the ranking, just that August and Irene are above the rest and that Wall is the weakest because it was very direct.

Selene is salty with the guy who killed her son, but again she never said that Georg was weaker than Suzaku, and the old geezer literally killed a Dragon King and the son of a Dragon God, so it's hard to ignore it when Suzaku admitted that he is weaker than the old geezer. Kirin was never stated to be stronger this is fake news from Kirintards, only Kirin himself said he is stronger, and even Hiro himself don't know who is stronger between Suzaku and the guy who one shotted Kirin, no mental gymnastics put Kirin above Suzaku after that. BESTING ERZA? Are you reading Fairy Nail? Is it even possible to best miss plot armor encarnated? Wendy bested a HAX MERCHANT with Irene supporting her all the time to counter the only thing a hax merchant is good at, HAX, and since she lost this support she has been captured by fraudulent villains who get two shotted by lightning only Natsu and terrified by pervert flowers, and you wanna say that peak Wendy is besting Erza just because she defeated the least impressive BDSK while having Irene support?

He is still going to create a new timeline based on past period, before he became immortal, name it the way you want but it does not apply to power level, he would still be smashed by Acnologia if he faced him, and the strongest character in the series don't have a universe level feat but Zeref is universal. No it's not consistent with their portrayal, jut read the manga, some spriggans were one shotted while others were curbstomped by the protagonists, God Serena who is one of the most impressive spriggans don't scales higher than the BDSK who were all overwhelmed by a single DG

This is a consistent feat, Lucy and Brandish INJURY but NOT beating Merc is not consistent, it's a outlier that comes from possibly the worst chapter in the series. Saying that the feat is consistent is the same of saying that Silver Surfer is mexican level

And Wendy was never portrayed to be a top tier, was never portrayed to be Erza level, in 100YQ never defeated a single opponent alone, so no, just outliers being highballed.

 

[WoWfan]

Droma Animu was immune to magic outside of dragon slayer magic so even Wendy could fight him, but go ahead and rank pre-timeskip Wendy above Mystogan too, i know it's what you want, besides Laxus ranking is not the only portrayal i mentioned. Keyes is the weakest, but nothing about Ezel being a top tier, Lisanna and Levy were S-Class candidates too, what's your point? Dimaria is a spriggan level with the most broken ability, she could have been a spriggan purely on time stop alone and her base form could be basically a fodder without it. Tartarus Natsu has no Gildarts level portrayal, he was even overwhelmed by Franmalth even with wanting to give him the W it was still due to Lucy's help, and you are suggesting an Wendy even stronger than that level. The absence of physical boost statement don't necessarily means it didn't happened, and the comparison with Blueonete who should be weaker than any GoI don't help, i compared Base Dimaria to Blueoneto to say she is weak without Time Stop.

The article says August/Irene> Larcade, Dimaria, God Serena and Wall as the weakest, the absence of other greater signs creates doubt. He could have put August/Irene>Larcade>Dimaria>God Serena or put August and Irene then Larcade, then Dimaria then Serena, or put numbers 1-August/Irene, 2-Larcade, 3-Dimaria, 4-God Serena to make the ranking UNQUESTIONABLE. But we are talking about Mashima, the same guy who admits that don't powerscale his own manga and the same Mashima who sometimes says Natsu is equal to 100YQ Gray and sometimes say he don't know who is stronger between Natsu and Laxus, if blindly followed his statements i would have 100YQ Gray=Laxus, instead i look for more context than just one single statement. Taking into account the logic that Dimaria could only be ranked above him if her hax was broken enough to affect Larcade and Irene too which would make her the second strongest spriggan only to August, and that if God Serena magic power was low enough to be affected by Brandish and Jacob he also couldn't be ranked higher than them i cannot take the questionable part of the ranking, just that August and Irene are above the rest and that Wall is the weakest because it was very direct.

Selene is salty with the guy who killed her son, but again she never said that Georg was weaker than Suzaku, and the old geezer literally killed a Dragon King and the son of a Dragon God, so it's hard to ignore it when Suzaku admitted that he is weaker than the old geezer. Kirin was never stated to be stronger this is fake news from Kirintards, only Kirin himself said he is stronger, and even Hiro himself don't know who is stronger between Suzaku and the guy who one shotted Kirin, no mental gymnastics put Kirin above Suzaku after that. BESTING ERZA? Are you reading Fairy Nail? Is it even possible to best miss plot armor encarnated? Wendy bested a HAX MERCHANT with Irene supporting her all the time to counter the only thing a hax merchant is good at, HAX, and since she lost this support she has been captured by fraudulent villains who get two shotted by lightning only Natsu and terrified by pervert flowers, and you wanna say that peak Wendy is besting Erza just because she defeated the least impressive BDSK while having Irene support?

He is still going to create a new timeline based on past period, before he became immortal, name it the way you want but it does not apply to power level, he would still be smashed by Acnologia if he faced him, and the strongest character in the series don't have a universe level feat but Zeref is universal. No it's not consistent with their portrayal, jut read the manga, some spriggans were one shotted while others were curbstomped by the protagonists, God Serena who is one of the most impressive spriggans don't scales higher than the BDSK who were all overwhelmed by a single DG

This is a consistent feat, Lucy and Brandish INJURY but NOT beating Merc is not consistent, it's a outlier that comes from possibly the worst chapter in the series. Saying that the feat is consistent is the same of saying that Silver Surfer is mexican level

And Wendy was never portrayed to be a top tier, was never portrayed to be Erza level, in 100YQ never defeated a single opponent alone, so no, just outliers being highballed.

It is not about immunity, it is about taking its from it, which he went down to while Natsu could take hits from it and fight, pretty sure that Natsu backed her up on occasions like that. Ezel's attack and defense is above that of Franmalth though which says much. Levy was but not Lisanna which she only teamed up with Juvia because she liked the Juvia from Edolas. Broken? It is simple that you need abilities to overcome the powers of a God, simple as. She took hits from stronger enemies and survived even in base, don't know what you mean there, and magic power reflects the physical stats. Gildarts was surprised by Natsu's growth and was pleased, and Natsu even drew blood from Gildarts. because Franmalth had Hades' strength, again Lucy tricked Franmalth under real threats, she did not empower Natsu or anything, I am saying that with portrayals, DF wendy is around Base Level Natsu at the time of Tartaros. It does actually or else he wouldn't have mentioned his limits being there in the first place. It definitely wouldn't help Natsu that's for sure since he still needed to use magic to overcome the affects of Gravity, nothing proves that since she could still take attacks from a form way stronger than base Natsu's power. what other greater signs, it just shows how much there really isn't much to compare for the rest of the Spriggans with only an established weakest one among them simple as. Correction, he said he doesn't power creep in the sequel series so even characters from the original are still relevant even now. Considering that Natsu managed to match that of Laxus when he gets series and doesn't goof around then that would put him at relative leagues. same here with the visuals shown which shows just how powerful characters are. Again, her time stop is based on powers that can overcome god powers, even if going that route, Irene is a dragon so magic is all but ineffective on her. Say what about Brandish and God Serena? It is more or less because there is no real difference and just putting the highest and the lowest on the list just for reference. Of course she is, She said he is unworthy of their powers explicitly. son of a God Dragon doesn't mean much, same with a Dragon King, Igneel was considered the strongest bar Acnologia so titles like King don't mean anything unless they are directly or statement wise compared. Selene stated that when the two made contact, it would only be because the two are on the same team to be relative by association, it also shows that Suzaku wouldn't be considered strongest either by that logic. Fairy Nail is trash filler, but that's not important right now. We have seen visuals of Wendy knocking around Erza who was charging at the latter with the intent to harm. Again, Magic power are equal to physical stats and Haku could take attacks from potential Wendy but was oneshot by DF Wendy, Irene only gave advice, and after getting temporarily separated she could still overpower Haku.They are Alchemists, their physical stats don't match their power, she is a little girl, of course can get scared of things for the audience's need for comedy. And creating a new timeline takes power which he has the means for, just needed vast Time Magic to complete it, Based on, not traveling to it, it is like a check mark to start over when you lose all your progress. It does because it involves destroying the universe, already in base Zeref scales to planetary destruction already. Acno was humbled by Irene who was trained by Zeref and was lucky enough that he had magic immunity which he was only sent away. It is consistent, Brandish, Ajeel's nerfed Attack, Irene, Potential DF Wendy affecting Dragon God level characters. It is as I have said before with what was done in the series. WHOA, no need to be stereotypical now with the race card. If you need a reference point, it is when Irene possessed Wendy that she used her potential to overpower Erza and broke stones that not even Suzaku could break and defeated someone on the same level as him.

 

[Goku solos]

No way ppl are still using the "Wendy broke the Labyrinth" shit

 

[WoWfan]

No way ppl are still using the "Wendy broke the Labyrinth" shit

fragmented rocks would like make a case complain for subject of neglect. LOL

 

[Goku solos]

fragmented rocks would like make a case complain for subject of neglect. LOL

It's just art mistaken, the same thing happened when Lucy use her mix star dress against Kiria lol.
I guess Lucy>>>>All Diabolos + FT now, she also could damage Dogramag if she fought.
anyway Selene literally watched the fight and knew Wendy CAN'T break it, Dogramag also knew about what happend before and he said no one of them can do it

 

[Darklord#10]

Stop taking wowfan seriously. He has no idea what he's talking about

 

[WoWfan]

Not my fault that this all started because some Laxus Fans try to make to make him as unreasonably powerful as they think He is.

It's just art mistaken, the same thing happened when Lucy use her mix star dress against Kiria lol.
I guess Lucy>>>>All Diabolos + FT now, she also could damage Dogramag if she fought.
anyway Selene literally watched the fight and knew Wendy CAN'T break it, Dogramag also knew about what happend before and he said no one of them can do it

You sure? Because Lucy’s either was or isn’t because her attack swells from the ground and bursts forth, in the Labyrinth, it just shines out of the ground, that would make her not that level of power. How did Selene knew Wendy can’t? She never had any prior knowledge of her strength, when she was confident that her DDKs could since she ”supposedly“ said they could beat her, so by scaling, they could break the stones of Dog Dude, yet they couldn’t. Did Dog Dude even mention Wendy? Besides how would he know about the others when he didn’t know his balls both figuratively and literally were being crushed? LoL