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Not my fault that this all started because some Laxus Fans try to make to make him as unreasonably powerful as they think He is.


You sure? Because Lucy’s either was or isn’t because her attack swells from the ground and bursts forth, in the Labyrinth, it just shines out of the ground, that would make her not that level of power. How did Selene knew Wendy can’t? She never had any prior knowledge of her strength, when she was confident that her DDKs could since she ”supposedly“ said they could beat her, so by scaling, they could break the stones of Dog Dude, yet they couldn’t. Did Dog Dude even mention Wendy? Besides how would he know about the others when he didn’t know his balls both figuratively and literally were being crushed? LoL
It clearly showed the stones breaking when Lucy used it.
Again, Selene literally WATCHED the whole fight with Haku, she saw her power yet she still said that no one can destroy it.
Dogramag knew about what happend before he woke up, he stated that Natsu and Suzaku couldn't break his stone which means they can't harm him, so to be able to harm him you should have the power to destroy the stone like Ignia.
So Dogramag knew about the battles there and Selene watched Wendy's fight and they both said that NO ONE have the power to destroy it.
After he woke up he didn't have Elefseria's heart anymore and it seems to be what helped him to know or either he was just busy with Natsu and Suzaku but he clearly was shown to knew about what happend there before like the fight of Natsu and Suzaku or the fact Ignia never came to visif his "grave" and etc'
 

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It clearly showed the stones breaking when Lucy used it.
Again, Selene literally WATCHED the whole fight with Haku, she saw her power yet she still said that no one can destroy it.
Dogramag knew about what happend before he woke up, he stated that Natsu and Suzaku couldn't break his stone which means they can't harm him, so to be able to harm him you should have the power to destroy the stone like Ignia.
So Dogramag knew about the battles there and Selene watched Wendy's fight and they both said that NO ONE have the power to destroy it.
After he woke up he didn't have Elefseria's heart anymore and it seems to be what helped him to know or either he was just busy with Natsu and Suzaku but he clearly was shown to knew about what happend there before like the fight of Natsu and Suzaku or the fact Ignia never came to visif his "grave" and etc'
That is not how the technique works, the ground swells as it bursts form the ground, those are likely just stray stone pieces, while we see the pieces of stone being chips away with Wendy’s sky drill, and it is a precision base attack which can damage stones more. Correction, Selene said they can’t prevail over Dog Dude, nothing explicit about the stones of the labyrinth. If he knew, then why didn’t he take initiative to intervene against FT who were going after his balls? He may have accumulated knowledge but that doesn’t make him omniscient nor omnipresent so he only knows what he is shown to know, and he doesn’t even know Suzaku’s name, he only called him “this one”. And Selene as well. Again, his knowledge is only shown by what he displayed not what we guess because he doesn’t eve know who Suzaku is, nor the others activities that move around his Labyrinth, he doesn’t even know what exactly is Natsu’s species, his knowledge is limited to what Elf dude knew, and his is not even top tier knowledge as well. Again, she said to face Dog dude they didn’t have the power to, Suzaku could after Dog dude weakened and he still lost. Dog dude died a hundred years ago, it is more than likely Ignia told him about Natsu before he died.
 
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It is not about immunity, it is about taking its from it, which he went down to while Natsu could take hits from it and fight, pretty sure that Natsu backed her up on occasions like that. Ezel's attack and defense is above that of Franmalth though which says much. Levy was but not Lisanna which she only teamed up with Juvia because she liked the Juvia from Edolas. Broken? It is simple that you need abilities to overcome the powers of a God, simple as. She took hits from stronger enemies and survived even in base, don't know what you mean there, and magic power reflects the physical stats. Gildarts was surprised by Natsu's growth and was pleased, and Natsu even drew blood from Gildarts. because Franmalth had Hades' strength, again Lucy tricked Franmalth under real threats, she did not empower Natsu or anything, I am saying that with portrayals, DF wendy is around Base Level Natsu at the time of Tartaros. It does actually or else he wouldn't have mentioned his limits being there in the first place. It definitely wouldn't help Natsu that's for sure since he still needed to use magic to overcome the affects of Gravity, nothing proves that since she could still take attacks from a form way stronger than base Natsu's power. what other greater signs, it just shows how much there really isn't much to compare for the rest of the Spriggans with only an established weakest one among them simple as. Correction, he said he doesn't power creep in the sequel series so even characters from the original are still relevant even now. Considering that Natsu managed to match that of Laxus when he gets series and doesn't goof around then that would put him at relative leagues. same here with the visuals shown which shows just how powerful characters are. Again, her time stop is based on powers that can overcome god powers, even if going that route, Irene is a dragon so magic is all but ineffective on her. Say what about Brandish and God Serena? It is more or less because there is no real difference and just putting the highest and the lowest on the list just for reference. Of course she is, She said he is unworthy of their powers explicitly. son of a God Dragon doesn't mean much, same with a Dragon King, Igneel was considered the strongest bar Acnologia so titles like King don't mean anything unless they are directly or statement wise compared. Selene stated that when the two made contact, it would only be because the two are on the same team to be relative by association, it also shows that Suzaku wouldn't be considered strongest either by that logic. Fairy Nail is trash filler, but that's not important right now. We have seen visuals of Wendy knocking around Erza who was charging at the latter with the intent to harm. Again, Magic power are equal to physical stats and Haku could take attacks from potential Wendy but was oneshot by DF Wendy, Irene only gave advice, and after getting temporarily separated she could still overpower Haku.They are Alchemists, their physical stats don't match their power, she is a little girl, of course can get scared of things for the audience's need for comedy. And creating a new timeline takes power which he has the means for, just needed vast Time Magic to complete it, Based on, not traveling to it, it is like a check mark to start over when you lose all your progress. It does because it involves destroying the universe, already in base Zeref scales to planetary destruction already. Acno was humbled by Irene who was trained by Zeref and was lucky enough that he had magic immunity which he was only sent away. It is consistent, Brandish, Ajeel's nerfed Attack, Irene, Potential DF Wendy affecting Dragon God level characters. It is as I have said before with what was done in the series. WHOA, no need to be stereotypical now with the race card. If you need a reference point, it is when Irene possessed Wendy that she used her potential to overpower Erza and broke stones that not even Suzaku could break and defeated someone on the same level as him.
Since everyone else agree that Wendy rock feat is just a outlier i will focus to the main points of spriggans and Wendy vs Haku. But firstly Natsu only fought well with Gildarts before Avatar arc, he was already at his Alvarez level and his non DF peak is comparable to Laxus, so ofcourse he can fight well with Gildarts at this point, but not in Tartarus.

Magic Power don't equate to stats since Alvarez, some spriggans like Neinhart were just Hax Merchants, in 100YQ Mashima kept creating hax merchants villains like HAKU. If Dimaria hax had no restriction she would be above Irene and Larcade, only August would be safe because he can copy her, so to overcome the powers of God you just need more magic power like END who was stalemated by Gray and stopped by Erza, even if you give excuses about devil slayer advantage END didn't seemed more impressive than Gildarts, Laxus or Jellal. Serena was ranked above Laxus, Laxus>Ajeel and Brandish~Ajeel so God Serena>Laxus>Ajeel~Brandish, he is one of the spriggan exceptions, but even if you want to equalize him to Brandish, and even you don't believing in Georg portrayal it doesn't matter as even Irene is weaker than the DG by a good margin.

This is what happened when Alvarez Erza with DS Enchantment tried to harm Irene

And this is what happened when 100YQ Erza with DS Enchantment tried to harm a Dragon God



Even Mercphobia who was way more nerfed than Viernes tanked Erza with DS enchantment without any problem




The Dragon Gods scales above Irene, Brandish and Lucy feat is just a outlier just like Wendy outliers and Wendy was not just having Irene advice

This is how Irene gives advices?


Wendy took advantage of the plushies controlled by Irene holding Haku to attack him

Minimize Irene role as much as you want, she carried the fight. Wendy: Lend me some magic Irene, it's plushieless Haku we are up against. The only Wendy who was overwhelming Erza was Wendy possessed by Irene and Erza was far from her 100YQ level.

You also are reading too much VS Battles with this planetary thing
 
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That is not how the technique works, the ground swells as it bursts form the ground, those are likely just stray stone pieces, while we see the pieces of stone being chips away with Wendy’s sky drill, and it is a precision base attack which can damage stones more. Correction, Selene said they can’t prevail over Dog Dude, nothing explicit about the stones of the labyrinth. If he knew, then why didn’t he take initiative to intervene against FT who were going after his balls? He may have accumulated knowledge but that doesn’t make him omniscient nor omnipresent so he only knows what he is shown to know, and he doesn’t even know Suzaku’s name, he only called him “this one”. And Selene as well. Again, his knowledge is only shown by what he displayed not what we guess because he doesn’t eve know who Suzaku is, nor the others activities that move around his Labyrinth, he doesn’t even know what exactly is Natsu’s species, his knowledge is limited to what Elf dude knew, and his is not even top tier knowledge as well. Again, she said to face Dog dude they didn’t have the power to, Suzaku could after Dog dude weakened and he still lost. Dog dude died a hundred years ago, it is more than likely Ignia told him about Natsu before he died.
Even if it comes from the ground doesn't change the fact it was shown to break the stones
Wasn't I clear?
If you have the power to break the stones then you should have the power to harm Dogramg as he himself said that he's the "labyrinth itself" and he was durable like it.
he was shown to know about the events that happend there before he woke up like the fight of Natsu and Suzaku and the rest.
he also knew that there were more humans there so he knows the events there before he woke up, either it was by Elefseria's heart or he can do it in general but he didn't cuz he was busy with Natsu and Suzaku
him not calling Suzaku by his name doesn't means he didn't knew lol, he literally call him "this one" after Natsu already call him by his name.
no it isn't, Elefseria knew nothing about Natsu before nor knew about the fight of him with Suzaku it isn't limited to what he knows.
Both Dogramag and Selene knew about the fights there and stated that no one of them have the power to do it
 
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Since everyone else agree that Wendy rock feat is just a outlier i will focus to the main points of spriggans and Wendy vs Haku. But firstly Natsu only fought well with Gildarts before Avatar arc, he was already at his Alvarez level and his non DF peak is comparable to Laxus, so ofcourse he can fight well with Gildarts at this point, but not in Tartarus.

Magic Power don't equate to stats since Alvarez, some spriggans like Neinhart were just Hax Merchants, in 100YQ Mashima kept creating hax merchants villains like HAKU. If Dimaria hax had no restriction she would be above Irene and Larcade, only August would be safe because he can copy her, so to overcome the powers of God you just need more magic power like END who was stalemated by Gray and stopped by Erza, even if you give excuses about devil slayer advantage END didn't seemed more impressive than Gildarts, Laxus or Jellal. Serena was ranked above Laxus, Laxus>Ajeel and Brandish~Ajeel so God Serena>Laxus>Ajeel~Brandish, he is one of the spriggan exceptions, but even if you want to equalize him to Brandish, and even you don't believing in Georg portrayal it doesn't matter as even Irene is weaker than the DG by a good margin.

This is what happened when Alvarez Erza with DS Enchantment tried to harm Irene


And this is what happened when 100YQ Erza with DS Enchantment tried to harm a Dragon God



Even Mercphobia who was way more nerfed than Viernes tanked Erza with DS enchantment without any problem




The Dragon Gods scales above Irene, Brandish and Lucy feat is just a outlier just like Wendy outliers and Wendy was not just having Irene advice

This is how Irene gives advices?


Wendy took advantage of the plushies controlled by Irene holding Haku to attack him


Minimize Irene role as much as you want, she carried the fight. Wendy: Lend me some magic Irene, it's plushieless Haku we are up against. The only Wendy who was overwhelming Erza was Wendy possessed by Irene and Erza was far from her 100YQ level.

You also are reading too much VS Battles with this planetary thing
So? That doesnt discount that Natsu closed the gap since then, and Gildarts would likely have gotten stronger as he said he didn’t want to lose, where was the prove he was back then? They do otherwise, they would suffer from magic’s effects from being overwhelmed by them. Neinhart is no different, he was only accepted from that when MP flowed out of him rather than being contained. Same with Haku, he could take base potential Wendy’s power before being overwhelmed in DF form And he scales to Suzaku. Would, should, could, unless you have prove of said interactions that is guess work, Irene is a dragon so it wouldn’t likely work anyway, by your logic August wouldn’t either since his copy magic would be stopped before it could copy her magic. No, it is power to overcome the powers of a god like END power that can even kill Zeref Since his immortality is powered by a god as well. So? Weaker DS stalemated fresh Dragons, it is due to aversion advantage, no different with Ajeel and the Strauss siblings who had an advantage due to weakness exploitation. Erza’s hands were burning and breaking, not outright unaffected, besides it was friendship speech moment which made them stop. You would say that because they never interacted with one another. And if power difference does affect how time stop works then why didn’t Laxus or Wall notice that time stopped when they were fighting, or Erza or Kagura for that matter? Of course GS is ranked above because he would scale barely above Wall in their fight, just as Ajeel scaled slightly above Erza. Georg barely had any worth while portrayals as his fights were offscreen, the only thing to compare was his death to casual DG while jellal can survive something more powerful in causal by Acno, will get to Irene comparing to DG in a moment. That is your opinion on Wendy breaking the rock since I pointed out why above, You mean the same feat that has both the power of Irene’s enchantment and Wendy’s DS magic? And Wendy not giving it her best in that fight since she is not using her potential? Yeah that would do it. Irene affects a DG with her enchantments, and they only work on enemies who are weaker than they are. Yes, it was advice, as Haku mentioned. And no, it was Wendy’s power, Irene just capitalize on that for the very last potion of the fight. It was so Wendy could get a clean hit in because you know Haku can move at lightspeed. It is not about some site, it is about facts for statements and showings.
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Even if it comes from the ground doesn't change the fact it was shown to break the stones
Wasn't I clear?
If you have the power to break the stones then you should have the power to harm Dogramg as he himself said that he's the "labyrinth itself" and he was durable like it.
he was shown to know about the events that happend there before he woke up like the fight of Natsu and Suzaku and the rest.
he also knew that there were more humans there so he knows the events there before he woke up, either it was by Elefseria's heart or he can do it in general but he didn't cuz he was busy with Natsu and Suzaku
him not calling Suzaku by his name doesn't means he didn't knew lol, he literally call him "this one" after Natsu already call him by his name.
no it isn't, Elefseria knew nothing about Natsu before nor knew about the fight of him with Suzaku it isn't limited to what he knows.
Both Dogramag and Selene knew about the fights there and stated that no one of them have the power to do it
It didn’t break because it did not burst and breaking, it just appeared. Even showed stones in behind Lucy, moving, that makes it just the force of the beam of light pushing stray stones, the ground was still same structure when it happened. Natsu could harm Dog Dude when his balls were crushed yet somehow couldn’t break his stones, it would show that he is full of himself there, and makes sense since he did not realize his power dropped during the fight and he could break his own stones which would match and surpass his dura. So he claims, we only know without stating specifics that he accumulated knowledge but that is it. He is a dragon and has strong smell, which is what he used to try and guess Natsu’s species, if he didn’t know Natsu’s species stat before hand then he couldn’t just know by knowledge alone. It would actually because why would he keep guessing if he can eat or kill him without just killing him when Ignia said he didn’t care as long as he doesn’t kill Natsu? Turning that again, why would it matter since DGs see humans as insects so he wouldn’t bother even when he just heard the name then. It would actually because Elf dude still collected knowledge ever since so he would know still, and even then it wasn’t perfect. No one human had the power to beat Dog dude explicitly, that is basically it, and they should know that they are not human either as stated in Edolas.
 
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So? That doesnt discount that Natsu closed the gap since then, and Gildarts would likely have gotten stronger as he said he didn’t want to lose, where was the prove he was back then? They do otherwise, they would suffer from magic’s effects from being overwhelmed by them. Neinhart is no different, he was only accepted from that when MP flowed out of him rather than being contained. Same with Haku, he could take base potential Wendy’s power before being overwhelmed in DF form And he scales to Suzaku. Would, should, could, unless you have prove of said interactions that is guess work, Irene is a dragon so it wouldn’t likely work anyway, by your logic August wouldn’t either since his copy magic would be stopped before it could copy her magic. No, it is power to overcome the powers of a god like END power that can even kill Zeref Since his immortality is powered by a god as well. So? Weaker DS stalemated fresh Dragons, it is due to aversion advantage, no different with Ajeel and the Strauss siblings who had an advantage due to weakness exploitation. Erza’s hands were burning and breaking, not outright unaffected, besides it was friendship speech moment which made them stop. You would say that because they never interacted with one another. And if power difference does affect how time stop works then why didn’t Laxus or Wall notice that time stopped when they were fighting, or Erza or Kagura for that matter? Of course GS is ranked above because he would scale barely above Wall in their fight, just as Ajeel scaled slightly above Erza. Georg barely had any worth while portrayals as his fights were offscreen, the only thing to compare was his death to casual DG while jellal can survive something more powerful in causal by Acno, will get to Irene comparing to DG in a moment. That is your opinion on Wendy breaking the rock since I pointed out why above, You mean the same feat that has both the power of Irene’s enchantment and Wendy’s DS magic? And Wendy not giving it her best in that fight since she is not using her potential? Yeah that would do it. Irene affects a DG with her enchantments, and they only work on enemies who are weaker than they are. Yes, it was advice, as Haku mentioned. And no, it was Wendy’s power, Irene just capitalize on that for the very last potion of the fight. It was so Wendy could get a clean hit in because you know Haku can move at lightspeed. It is not about some site, it is about facts for statements and showings.
Alvarez Natsu become closer to him and surpass him with DF, but Tartarus only become close to him with DF.

All BDSK are just PEHARPS equals to Suzaku. One more reason to say Dimaria Time Stop must have be restricted on people power level. Both END and Ajeel are unimpressive for what they are supposed to be. Laxus and Jellal don't noticing time stop is just Hiro's writing, Erza and Kagura power levels were within Dimaria limit. Jura Level Gildarts survived Acnologia destroying one of his organs.

Now you are just making excuses for Irene inferiority to DGs using Wendy agenda. I already showed a team with people around God Serena and other spriggan level DRAGON SLAYERS who instead of having advantage against Selene were wrecked by her, i showed Irene objective inferiority to DGs, but you just wanna pick the outlier . You are using Irene enchantment TO HEAL a NERFED human DG who has the most questionable human form to say that IRENE IS STRONGER :twitch. And you are trying hard to make Wendy fight look good, nope, Irene overglazing her don't change the fact that it was Irene using Wendy magic, don't care if its from Wendy it was Irene who used, take Irene for her and you will get Fairy Tail's Ace running away from pervert flowers. Laxus defeated a BDSK, Erza defeated a BDSK, but Wendy is above everyone because she defeated the weakest BDSK while having Irene help :8C this is just Wendy agenda and i'm not pushing this agenda.
 

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Alvarez Natsu become closer to him and surpass him with DF, but Tartarus only become close to him with DF.

All BDSK are just PEHARPS equals to Suzaku. One more reason to say Dimaria Time Stop must have be restricted on people power level. Both END and Ajeel are unimpressive for what they are supposed to be. Laxus and Jellal don't noticing time stop is just Hiro's writing, Erza and Kagura power levels were within Dimaria limit. Jura Level Gildarts survived Acnologia destroying one of his organs.

Now you are just making excuses for Irene inferiority to DGs using Wendy agenda. I already showed a team with people around God Serena and other spriggan level DRAGON SLAYERS who instead of having advantage against Selene were wrecked by her, i showed Irene objective inferiority to DGs, but you just wanna pick the outlier . You are using Irene enchantment TO HEAL a NERFED human DG who has the most questionable human form to say that IRENE IS STRONGER :twitch. And you are trying hard to make Wendy fight look good, nope, Irene overglazing her don't change the fact that it was Irene using Wendy magic, don't care if its from Wendy it was Irene who used, take Irene for her and you will get Fairy Tail's Ace running away from pervert flowers. Laxus defeated a BDSK, Erza defeated a BDSK, but Wendy is above everyone because she defeated the weakest BDSK while having Irene help :8C this is just Wendy agenda and i'm not pushing this agenda.
Tartaros Natsu became close to Gildarts without DF but before we could get anything more out of it comedy ensues. Pretty sure they are when their own members who they spent more time with would know for certain. END is definitely impressive when Acno came around to Tartaros because of it, Ajeel was actually a breath of fresh air compared to most fights in the past for some people because of how most of Erza fights went. No, it is simple logic because everything would just stop, Jellal would be the last person to not notice. Laxus was stalemating Wall even and the latter is the weakest Spriggan, and Erza can hold her own against Irene even without Wendy’s aid, do you see the problem? Gildarts went down before he knew what happened he said including his arm and leg, while Jellal managed to remain conscious and active. No, I didn’t say inferiority, GS never fought against Selene. I showed objective superiority with statement on how her powers with, they are ineffective against those non-consentingly stronger than her. That is not to heal, that is transfer, and Selene was against which wouldn’t affect her if she was stronger, it is not picking and choosing, it is Hiro stating that he doesn’t do power creep anyway and that Irene is still relatively one of the strongest even in the sequal, that is word of god. Yes Irene is stronger, in the end it was just Irene giving her advise, nothing about her own power was added, it came down to a matter of experience difference, WENDY IS A KID! Laxus using a power that makes his attacks stronger with injuries sure plus a power that Is not his, Erza using a power that is not hers, Wendy defeating someone with her own power with only words of wisdom to guide her. No, this was originally debunking Laxus agenda against someone who I learned said that Laxus was faster than Acnologia. But in the end, Hiro continues to break the power system anyway so anyone can be as strong as anyone for the sake of plot.
 

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Hello everyone,

I would like a confirmation on articles that are currently hanging on the Internet, know if they are real interviews of Mashima or fake?

In a recent article, Mashima announces the Spriggans' Elite as Eileen/ August, then Rakheid, Dimaria and God Serena, the weakest being Walh Icht.

During this period, God Serena would be more powerful than Laxus and the author could not say who is more powerful between Natsu and Laxus.

In a last article published 9 months ago (Quest of 100 years? ), he details 3 levels of powers:
- Acnologia was at 8,000.
- Laxus will currently be at 1000.
- Natsu (excluding external boosts) would currently be at 600.

Can you confirm if it is true or fake ?
 
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Hello everyone,

I would like a confirmation on articles that are currently hanging on the Internet, know if they are real interviews of Mashima or fake?

In a recent article, Mashima announces the Spriggans' Elite as Eileen/ August, then Rakheid, Dimaria and God Serena, the weakest being Walh Icht.

During this period, God Serena would be more powerful than Laxus and the author could not say who is more powerful between Natsu and Laxus.

In a last article published 9 months ago (Quest of 100 years? ), he details 3 levels of powers:
- Acnologia was at 8,000.
- Laxus will currently be at 1000.
- Natsu (excluding external boosts) would currently be at 600.

Can you confirm if it is true or fake ?
For the other two I cannot for the link/source say but if I remember correctly they were comments from a live stream, but for the first one, here is an official article when he talked about the game.

 

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For the other two I cannot for the link/source say but if I remember correctly they were comments from a live stream, but for the first one, here is an official article when he talked about the game.

I thank you, the link you post was the article I read. So it's a real Mashima's article. Thanks fo the confirmation

For the other articles, here are the links :


Natsu = Laxus
https://preview.redd.it/discussion-...bp&s=959baed59f24e6914451b4e54c2c2fbbe048e87a

If somone can translate japanese :

laxus : 1 000
https://i.ibb.co/t3GM8RQ/20240502-031908.jpg

natsu : 600 + MCU Boosts.
https://i.ibb.co/d7XPdDL/20240502-031935.jpg

acnologia (human form) : 8 000
https://i.ibb.co/LPhgqPm/20240502-032032.jpg
 
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Hello everyone,

I would like a confirmation on articles that are currently hanging on the Internet, know if they are real interviews of Mashima or fake?

In a recent article, Mashima announces the Spriggans' Elite as Eileen/ August, then Rakheid, Dimaria and God Serena, the weakest being Walh Icht.

During this period, God Serena would be more powerful than Laxus and the author could not say who is more powerful between Natsu and Laxus.

In a last article published 9 months ago (Quest of 100 years? ), he details 3 levels of powers:
- Acnologia was at 8,000.
- Laxus will currently be at 1000.
- Natsu (excluding external boosts) would currently be at 600.

Can you confirm if it is true or fake ?
Yes it is true. Mashima-sensei said the top spriggan were August and Irene then Larcade then Dimaria then god Serena and the last is wahl.
He also ranked the dragon slayers during alvarez arc as Acnologia > drive Serena >natsu or laxus.
He also gave power levels of how strong natsu Acnologia laxus and Cobra are during alvarez arc.
 

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He also ranked the dragon slayers during alvarez arc as. Acnologia > drive Serena >natsu or laxus.
He also gave power levels of how strong natsu Acnologia laxus and Cobra are during alvarez arc.
I thank you. I posted the links I have seen about them.
Thanks for the confirmation.

Still, if Mashima puts Natsu 600 et Laxus 1000, how can't he choose one above the other ? Is it about Natsu's boosts that put him Laxus' level ? What is MCU Boosts ? Are they Lightning Fire Mode and Fire Dragon King Mode, or external help against Bosses (7 DS against Acno, END, or else) ?
 

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I thank you. I posted the links I have seen about them.
Thanks for the confirmation.

Still, if Mashima puts Natsu 600 et Laxus 1000, how can't he choose one above the other ? Is it about Natsu's boosts that put him Laxus' level ? What is MCU Boosts ? Are they Lightning Fire Mode and Fire Dragon King Mode, or external help against Bosses (7 DS against Acno, END, or else) ?
I don't know why Mashima-sensei can't choose. Mc boosts like dragon force, ignia flames natsu, flames of emotion natsu, 7 flames natsu.
He also said he doesn't know who's currently stronger between both of them.
 

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I thank you. I posted the links I have seen about them.
Thanks for the confirmation.

Still, if Mashima puts Natsu 600 et Laxus 1000, how can't he choose one above the other ?
I was the one who posted the statements at the time here in this forum, so I can confirm that the statements are true from the writer,

The ones on Reddit are all copied from here.

The numbers that Mashima used were when he was watching the Alvarez arc live on YouTube

As for the second statement, it was on his Twitter space and I remember that it was after the battle between Serena and Jellal

Which means that he doesn't know who is stronger between him and Laxus in this quest

But the problem is that Jellal defeated Serena

And the writer put Serena above Natsu and Laxus😂😂
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The writer is most likely only comparing characters under normal circumstances, not with power up.
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We have 3 statements from the writer

The first is the one where he put the numbers (alvarez arc)
laxus > natsu

The second after Serena and Jellal's fight, that statement during April (Mashima's space on Twitter...I have the audio, I will put it later)....He doesn't know who is stronger between them

The third one supports the first two statements...

I'm not the one who put this statement here...but I watched it recently on YouTube...and I used some translation app and the writer actually says that Natsu was weaker, but currently he doesn't know who is stronger between them.....Just like that comment there


Which means in Alvarez Laxus was stronger...currently the writer doesn't know
 
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As for the second statement, it was on his Twitter space and I remember that it was after the battle between Serena and Jellal

Which means that he doesn't know who is stronger between him and Laxus in this quest

But the problem is that Jellal defeated Serena

And the writer put Serena above Natsu and Laxus😂😂
It's Mashima's words so we can't oppose them, but it's just impossible. We saw how God Serena feared Enny who wanted to kill him and Signario's portrayal when God Serena spoke with Gajeel. He said he cannot hold a candle to them, putting how weak is Ishgar's level. Erza destroyed them both in two chapters without using her best shots.

How can God Serena be above Laxus who is portraye Erza's level ?
God Serena was possibly above Natsu and Laxus in Arbaless, not in the 100YQ.
 
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As for the second statement, it was on his Twitter space and I remember that it was after the battle between Serena and Jellal
The Dragon Slayer ranking was after Gold Owl but he could have been still using original series power level, and though this is an assumption, Laxus power ups restriction would be a bigger assumption

The writer is most likely only comparing characters under normal circumstances, not with power up.
Natsu is the only one we can safely assume this kind of restriction, DF Natsu is above the cast, under normal circumstances Natsu is already under Erza and equal to Gray, being Laxus level is not a normal circumstance, therefore restricting Laxus power ups too would also be a big assumption. Besides the Dragon Slayer ranking makes more sense for Alvarez because only Irene was forgotten, in 100YQ basically every BDSK, Georg, Athena and Elefseria were forgotten.

It's Mashima's words so we can't oppose them, but it's just impossible. We saw how God Serena feared Enny who wanted to kill him and Signario's portrayal when God Serena spoke with Gajeel. He said he cannot hold a candle to them, putting how weak is Ishgar's level. Erza destroyed them both in two chapters without using her best shots.

How can God Serena be above Laxus who is portraye Erza's level ?
God Serena was possibly above Natsu and Laxus in Arbaless, not in the 100YQ.
I will answer you in a far more honest way than anyone will answer. Mashima never said that Signarios were stronger and not even Serena said that. Don't hold a candle is a fan MISTRANSLATION, Serena just said that they were more frightening than him


Just take the literality of the phrase, being more frightening IS NOT EQUAL to being stronger, get the japanese version and you can also translate to words like dangerous, extreme, you know, nothing that really means strength. You can just that that they were IMPLIED to be stronger, but differently from what Signariotards think, implyments are not canonical truths. And the comparison with ishgar is not that hard to understand, he lowballed Ishgar because he thought that the Gods of Ishgar were still top dogs as you can see, since he knew that Alvarez was very powerful and now knows that Guiltina had Gold Owl who were obviously stronger than the Gods of Ishgar. Signariotards can call me delusional and say that i'm coping as much as they want, they can't change the dictionary and can't explain how someone above Serena was speedblizted by an enchantmentless Erza who just extreme diffed an Serena level character just an arc ago, Erza wasn't even using anything special to counter her hax, just speed and raw power.

About Serena supposedly being terrified by Enny, firstly this is just Gag Moment

Look at Serena face, it's just a GAG FACE, Brandish being gag diffed by Cana caused much more impact into the story, but that's not the only point, as you can see Enny asked DUKE, the one who controls him if she could get rid of him for failling in his mission. Is that odd for an alchemy doll to be worried about being discarded after failling his mission? If Duke said yes he was doomed even if he defeated Enny. You can still join Signariotards in the collective delirium they created taking implyments and gag moments as canonical truth if you want, or you can make a logical analyzis on feats, portrayal and statements

About Serena above Laxus, though i can't prove that it is just Alvarez it is what makes sense the most, just putting some statements together wouldn't make much sense, like Natsu=Gray therefore Gray=Laxus, more context is needed like Natsu without buffs and Natsu with buffs. Blindly following statements may cause some logical problems, so always make a deep analysis.
 

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I wonder what the power scale of Wed, Signario Sisters, and Bestia will be.

I believe they are all top notch, perhaps Lacarde level (Signario Sisters), August/Irene level (Wed) and above that (Bestia).
 

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I would say that the Sisters powers are primarily Hax base because being part of the Alchemist guild, with dragonize they may have magic resistance.
 

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I thank you. I posted the links I have seen about them.
Thanks for the confirmation.

Still, if Mashima puts Natsu 600 et Laxus 1000, how can't he choose one above the other ? Is it about Natsu's boosts that put him Laxus' level ? What is MCU Boosts ? Are they Lightning Fire Mode and Fire Dragon King Mode, or external help against Bosses (7 DS against Acno, END, or else) ?
Yeah. He clearly says he needs his MC boosts. I
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It's Mashima's words so we can't oppose them, but it's just impossible. We saw how God Serena feared Enny who wanted to kill him and Signario's portrayal when God Serena spoke with Gajeel. He said he cannot hold a candle to them, putting how weak is Ishgar's level. Erza destroyed them both in two chapters without using her best shots.

How can God Serena be above Laxus who is portraye Erza's level ?
God Serena was possibly above Natsu and Laxus in Arbaless, not in the 100YQ.
I mean he says 8 Drive Serena, and if we assume it's the same as every other named Dragon mode, a utilizes all 8 of his Dragon elements its a reasonable statement, since we are once again comparing Laxus to the last Gildarts we saw. An put Natsu or Laxus in Jellal's place and they would have pulled a win too. An likely walked away with a new element or two. Only issue is that it could have had way more Archmagus spell casting for me.
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Gray has no equivalent to Natsu's MC boost, neither does Gajeel. An we saw with Madmole and Skullion how them vs Laxus would go.
 

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Lol at Erza or laxus ever being as strong as DF natsu. Dragon force natsu is easily the strongest in the guild bar gildarts and that's not changing.
Look at the people who are supposedly "stronger than natsu" . Whether it's natsu being the main character or natsu being stronger than some people's favorite they just gotta hate and be butthurt over it. Imagine making stupid arguments like "well well he can't use Dragon force on his own" 😭 oh yeah?? How'd he use it against mard geer zeref and aldoron?? Natsu Never went all out with gajeel. We saw what happened when natsu fought suzaku and gajeel encountered Serena. Same arc one got neg diff'd and the other was in a stalemate

 
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