Vaam vs Luslec

[V_TheHiddenAxis]

--This is current V in baam's body vs Luslec

--Vaam showed he can beat a weakened Family head and his AP being lethal to them.

--Luslec was able to hold urek who was not going all out but it is still urek who is debatably strongest character in TOG bar admins , enryu and phanta.

Thoughts?

 

[arrowofsky]

 

[V_TheHiddenAxis]

Can't see the pic

 

[Demonspeed]

I said that he beats Adori so of course he beats Luslec.

 

[Jackjohsnon]

Vaam. I doubt Luslec can do a fatality to Traumerei like Vaam did.

 

[arrowofsky]

Can't see the pic

Then you have to guess from my profile picture

What Luslec showed us yet were mostly attrition, hit and run tactics with some old school fist fight. Mind you, someone punching Urek can very well punch Traumerei or Vaam, too, with obviously more damage. And he has many more things up his sleeve. Moreover, he was a follower of V, then, with an unknown mechanism he powered up and become someone quite formidable. Luslec probably knows everything V can do, while the vice versa is not the case. Penultimate thing, Vaam was about to get caught to Urek had it not been the Luslec, which also shows Vaam is not really prepared to fare well in current time, if he can even. Last thing, Luslec may be an irregular or part of an irregular, too, we are not in a position to canonically rule it out. The way he let others laugh at him or acting lazy fools many people and make them so vulnerable for a Luslec surprise attack in the upcoming chapters

 

[Shadowlord123]

I don't think they're far from each other, but facing off against one of the Great Warriors using spells almost screams suicide considering how suited their arsenal to counter them is. And if that Great Warrior also happens to be your master, then it's probably even worse.

I would bet on Vaam with the info we have right now.

 

[Ray Barracuda]

Mind you, someone punching Urek can very well punch Traumerei or Vaam, too, with obviously more damage.

Not possible.

15% shinsoo reinforcement Urek which is the peak of what Luslec fought with in CQC is not comparable to a Family head's body.

Don't need to be a physical beast like Urek for we to know that the shinsoo around Traum and Gustang is far greater than Urek's 15% body, meaning Luslec can't touch Vaam just the same nor hurt him physically with strength.


They're not glass cannons just because they're not Urek, that logic is flawed speak.

 

[arrowofsky]

Not possible.

15% shinsoo reinforcement Urek which is the peak of what Luslec fought with in CQC is not comparable to a Family head's body.

Don't need to be a physical beast like Urek for we to know that the shinsoo around Traum and Gustang is far greater than Urek's 15% body, meaning Luslec can't touch Vaam just the same nor hurt him physically with strength.


They're not glass cannons just because they're not Urek, that logic is flawed speak.

Peak of what Luslec fought was not 15%, man. And it is reinforcement, not fraction as you know. I doubt about the incomparability, too, hope we will see some FH vs Luslec later with much better zooms than we had in Season 3 Generally, I would like to see many more fights than some peculiar games and tests.

As for FHs, I agree they are not glass cannons, but even not-yet-grace Mirchea Luslec could get near Arie Hon, he was not suffocating or anything, but grinning. Yeah, he was getting humiliated but not in the way you described there. Still more, we are not talking about V, but Vaam. Hence, I am giving the benefit of doubt to Luslec, and I would rather like him to win, otherwise his presence is not really worth thinking if he is to just got beaten by everyone important. We'll see.

 

[Ray Barracuda]

Peak of what Luslec fought was not 15%, man. And it is reinforcement, not fraction as you know. I doubt about the incomparability, too, hope we will see some FH vs Luslec later with much better zooms than we had in Season 3 Generally, I would like to see many more fights than some peculiar games and tests.

You've misunderstood me.


In close quarters the highest Luslec was able to trade blows with was 15%, that's what i meant.


Everything after was too much, 25% blitzed him to oblivion and showed Urek coulda ended the fight much faster if he wanted but chose not to.


But as far as trading blows go, 15% was the best he could match physically.


Also it is fractions is it not?


I mean, Urek split narural fullbody reinforcement into sublevels, the shinsoo he possesses at 15-30% onwards is incomparable to the reinforcement around a family head.


For one their shinsoo is much stronger than his at 15%.

As for FHs, I agree they are not glass cannons, but even not-yet-grace Mirchea Luslec could get near Arie Hon, he was not suffocating or anything, but grinning.

Standing before a FH and not getting squashed instantly, don't think that counts as a feat ehen considering they're not intendingto crush you withsaid pressure.


I mean look at Urek, he literally lives amongst regulars and everyone is weaker than him yet he exudes zero pressure.

Do you see what I mean?

 

[arrowofsky]

You've misunderstood me.


In close quarters the highest Luslec was able to trade blows with was 15%, that's what i meant.


Everything after was too much, 25% blitzed him to oblivion and showed Urek coulda ended the fight much faster if he wanted but chose not to.


But as far as trading blows go, 15% was the best he could match physically.


Also it is fractions is it not?


I mean, Urek split narural fullbody reinforcement into sublevels, the shinsoo he possesses at 15-30% onwards is incomparable to the reinforcement around a family head.


For one their shinsoo is much stronger than his at 15%.







Standing before a FH and not getting squashed instantly, don't think that counts as a feat ehen considering they're not intendingto crush you withsaid pressure.


I mean look at Urek, he literally lives amongst regulars and everyone is weaker than him yet he exudes zero pressure.

Do you see what I mean?

"Natural full body reinforcement" is not a thing. It is always over its natural physical body. Moreover, Urek could not end the fight with 25%, that was just not the case man. Both of them were not in their full power, but you only see it for Urek, assuming Luslec was at his best.
For family heads, we did not see much of their perspective against Luslec, only one panel where Gustang complained to Urek that he brought an unwanted guest. You can't conjecture from this that Gustang could just suffocate Luslec with "pressure", if it were the case he would not care if Luslec was there or not to begin with. A FH, even without the immortality contract, can beat Luslec, but I disagree with "so incomparable power levels and stuff". I did not see anything like that, he was probably too reckless back then when he was humbled by odd-eyed snake, but currently, he seems different. Luslec can definitely be useful in fights against FH, and at least his dark charge is not to "completely disappear with a finger of an irregular", and vaam is not that powerful. And he should not be that powerful anyway, we are still in the middle, maybe even back of the things in this manhwa.

 

[Ray Barracuda]

"Natural full body reinforcement" is not a thing. It is always over its natural physical body. Moreover, Urek could not end the fight with 25%, that was just not the case man. Both of them were not in their full power, but you only see it for Urek, assuming Luslec was at his best.

Fullbody reinforcement at 100% is the default setting of TOG as base, it's the first rookie skill we learn after harnessing shinsoo.


So Urek did in fact break it down to sub-levels, throughout this arc we never actually saw him in base.


The best that can be argued is maybe he went 100% reinforcement gainst two family heads and V at the same time of which would make massive sense considering it's three FH level beings he's facing here and not Luslec.


Also come on man, you can't even argue for Luslec here, 25% Urek factually blitzed him and coulda killed him if not for Urek literally not wanting to kill Luslec, we both saw that fight man.


We saw the limit of Luslecs physicality and reaction time, all he has left is spells that factually depend on Urek not blitzing him beforehand for him to look good.

For family heads, we did not see much of their perspective against Luslec, only one panel where Gustang complained to Urek that he brought an unwanted guest. You can't conjecture from this that Gustang could just suffocate Luslec with "pressure", if it were the case he would not care if Luslec was there or not to begin with. A FH, even without the immortality contract, can beat Luslec, but I disagree with "so incomparable power levels and stuff". I did not see anything like that, he was probably too reckless back then when he was humbled by odd-eyed snake, but currently, he seems different. Luslec can definitely be useful in fights against FH, and at least his dark charge is not to "completely disappear with a finger of an irregular", and vaam is not that powerful. And he should not be that powerful anyway, we are still in the middle, maybe even back of the things in this manhwa.

Gustang did not even give Luslec the honor of calling him by name, that's not the treatment given tp someone relevant to you.

But if Gustang though acknowledging his presence is used in the favour of Luslec what does it say about Traum blatantly flat out ignoring Luslec from beginning till the end.

I mean Traum didn't even spare him one side glace, what does this say about Luslec?



Urek acknowledging enemies far below his level always does this sorta thing, happened with Hell joe and Karaka, even Baek too.

I mean he listens to and is "scared" of Yuri for example cause she's "strong".


I guess this is my one problem with TOG, Urek making people seem much stronger or better than they are because he likes to play around leading to weird powerscaling discussions.