Discussion Slayer VS Corps Commander

[Lonatian]

If we don't consider Luslec (Slayer no.1) and Adori (Commander-in-Chief), which side has better quality members? Which side will be stronger?

Slayer:
- Yama
- White
- Karaka

Corps Commander:
- Kallavan
- Yasratcha
- Lyborick

Karaka seems to be the weakest here, while Yama is the most buffed character.

In my opinion, Corps Commander > Slayer.
(Yama > Kallavan > Yasratcha > White > Lyborick > Karaka).

However, we know that there are 11 seats for the slayers, so some of the higher slayers have not appeared yet. In addition, FUG also has an unknown number of elders.

On the Zahard's army side, although the corps commanders are strong, there are very few corps compared to the entire tower. Currently, there are only 5 confirmed corps and the 4th and 5th corps have been destroyed.
It is possible that the main force of the army is in the 1st (and 2nd??) Corps. Or Adori and the other princesses are also considered an army force. But I'm not sure, because even Yuri, a princess who possesses weapons in the 13-month series, acts quite independently and does not follow military orders.

 

[Demonspeed]

Slayers win. Maybe Yama can win by himself even.

A certain level of strength is required to be CC but for Slayers there is no such thing.

 

[arrowofsky]

Lyborick can keep healing Kallavan, and I don't see any other help from him against them
Ordering them is hard, Yasratcha is gone, White's power is too dynamic, and even though he was humbled a lot, Karaka has an immortal armor. Still, though, if we are taking the most up-to-date states, slayers will slay Kallavan and the rest will be heavily impacted in the splash damage to begin with.

 

[Lonatian]

Slayers win. Maybe Yama can win by himself even.

A certain level of strength is required to be CC but for Slayers there is no such thing.

Right now, yes, Yama is the strongest. But it was after Yama received Doom's fang and Yasratcha's lighthouse that his power increased. At first, Yama lost miserably to Yasratcha.

Also, it's unknown if the slayer selection criteria is based on strength, but it's clear that their target is Zahard and 10 FHs. While in reality, they can't even defeat a CC easily.

 

[arrowofsky]

Right now, yes, Yama is the strongest. But it was after Yama received Doom's fang and Yasratcha's lighthouse that his power increased. At first, Yama lost miserably to Yasratcha.

Also, it's unknown if the slayer selection criteria is based on strength, but it's clear that their target is Zahard and 10 FHs. While in reality, they can't even defeat a CC easily.

I believe subsequent chapters will reveal more about FUG, as Vaam/Baam is there, and also more info on slayers and elders.

My prediction is that slayer selection is mostly target-based (targeting Traum etc.), and there should also be potential but yeah, especially the three slayers we talk about can do nothing against FH, even without the immortality and stuff. Remained to be seen, maybe some retcons here and there.

 

[Lonatian]

Lyborick can keep healing Kallavan, and I don't see any other help from him against them
Ordering them is hard, Yasratcha is gone, White's power is too dynamic, and even though he was humbled a lot, Karaka has an immortal armor. Still, though, if we are taking the most up-to-date states, slayers will slay Kallavan and the rest will be heavily impacted in the splash damage to begin with.

Karaka's armor is more for keeping him alive than for enhancing his power. He can survive but he can lose easily.
White is a variable but needs mana regeneration and Hoaqin doesn't control his body constantly.
Yama is still the strongest but somehow SIU makes him lose quite a lot.

Lyborick is a strange case, he is weaker than Kallavan but he is still a spear master. He became the commander of the 4th corps and now the 3rd corps , he should have at least some traits.
Kallavan is a character who is buffed beyond his limits (but not like Yama, he wins a lot ) even though he is an antagonist.
Yasratcha is the same, he completely overwhelms Yama in terms of strength, skills and intelligence. Even after receiving the fang, Yama still can't surpass Yasratcha.

Slayers are not superior to CC but if there was a real fight, their survival rate is definitely higher, they are on Baam's side anyway

--- Double Post Merged, Mar 3, 2025, Original Post Date: Mar 3, 2025 ---

My prediction is that slayer selection is mostly target-based (targeting Traum etc.),

I'm pretty sure Yama has never even met Traumerei, let alone chosen Traumerei as his target. Yama's situation is more like being forced into FUG than being willing.

 

[Shadowlord123]

Current Yama and Kallavan are well above the standard CC Tier. If I had to say, current Yama is the stronger of the two.

Prime White, Yasratcha and Lyborick are all around the CC Tier. Fights between them depend more on compatibility than anything else.

Karaka was stated to be above the level of Division Commanders, but the margin shouldn't be big at all considering the many skirmishes he had with them. He's by far the weakest here. Practically fodder.

Right now, I'd generally bet more on the Corps Commander team. Karaka is a very weak link. An annoying fly that's a bit difficult to put down; that's about it. Lyborick can also recharge and boost Kallavan with his power; that's a very good synergy right there.

Obviously, Slayers will end up being stronger from a plot perspective. That's a no brainer. Even if none of them ends up having what it takes to approach a FH, their potentials are hyped to be extremely high.

 

[arrowofsky]

Current Yama and Kallavan are well above the standard CC Tier. If I had to say, current Yama is the stronger of the two.

Prime White, Yasratcha and Lyborick are all around the CC Tier. Fights between them depend more on compatibility than anything else.

Karaka was stated to be above the level of Division Commanders, but the margin shouldn't be big at all considering the many skirmishes he had with them. He's by far the weakest here. Practically fodder.

Right now, I'd generally bet more on the Corps Commander team. Karaka is a very weak link. An annoying fly that's a bit difficult to put down; that's about it. Lyborick can also recharge and boost Kallavan with his power; that's a very good synergy right there.

Obviously, Slayers will end up being stronger from a plot perspective. That's a no brainer. Even if none of them ends up having what it takes to approach a FH, their potentials are hyped to be extremely high.

At the very very least, there needs to be some temporary items, or anything of the sort, that will briefly allow them to bypass FH-immortality contract, and with some plots powering them up like nothing. In what we know up to now, it is ridiculous that slayers actually target FHs. If they can kill a FH in this way, then, things can seriously change.
After that, they need to set out to kill admins. I would LOVE that! (it is just too impossible though )

 

[Lonatian]

Current Yama and Kallavan are well above the standard CC Tier. If I had to say, current Yama is the stronger of the two.

Prime White, Yasratcha and Lyborick are all around the CC Tier. Fights between them depend more on compatibility than anything else.

Karaka was stated to be above the level of Division Commanders, but the margin shouldn't be big at all considering the many skirmishes he had with them. He's by far the weakest here. Practically fodder.

Right now, I'd generally bet more on the Corps Commander team. Karaka is a very weak link. An annoying fly that's a bit difficult to put down; that's about it. Lyborick can also recharge and boost Kallavan with his power; that's a very good synergy right there.

Obviously, Slayers will end up being stronger from a plot perspective. That's a no brainer. Even if none of them ends up having what it takes to approach a FH, their potentials are hyped to be extremely high.

I feel like slayer's importance is decreasing with the appearance of the red dump team.
They have the same goal of defeating FHs, but at least the red dump team has an actual strategy.

 

[Jackjohsnon]

I think CCs take It due to Kallavan being the strongest IMO, and Karaka being so weak compared to everyone else.

 

[Demonspeed]

I think CCs take It due to Kallavan being the strongest IMO, and Karaka being so weak compared to everyone else.

No way Kallavan is stronger than Yama.

--- Double Post Merged, Mar 4, 2025, Original Post Date: Mar 4, 2025 ---

Current Yama and Kallavan are well above the standard CC Tier. If I had to say, current Yama is the stronger of the two.

Prime White, Yasratcha and Lyborick are all around the CC Tier. Fights between them depend more on compatibility than anything else.

Karaka was stated to be above the level of Division Commanders, but the margin shouldn't be big at all considering the many skirmishes he had with them. He's by far the weakest here. Practically fodder.

Right now, I'd generally bet more on the Corps Commander team. Karaka is a very weak link. An annoying fly that's a bit difficult to put down; that's about it. Lyborick can also recharge and boost Kallavan with his power; that's a very good synergy right there.

Obviously, Slayers will end up being stronger from a plot perspective. That's a no brainer. Even if none of them ends up having what it takes to approach a FH, their potentials are hyped to be extremely high.

SIU can make Kallavan as strong as he wants because of that buff he got against Lyborick but we don't know enough to put him far above CC. We have seen so many powerful High Rankers. I have no reason to think that he doesn't get no diffed by Dumas as of now.

Right now, yes, Yama is the strongest. But it was after Yama received Doom's fang and Yasratcha's lighthouse that his power increased. At first, Yama lost miserably to Yasratcha.

Also, it's unknown if the slayer selection criteria is based on strength, but it's clear that their target is Zahard and 10 FHs. While in reality, they can't even defeat a CC easily.

They need certain qualities, goals and also great potential, but the level of strength between them varies. White is CC tier at his peak, Yama is at Dumas's level now and Karaka is much weaker than both. Yama lost to Yasratcha but the fang mattered there. He would have done much better against another CC.

 

[Jackjohsnon]

No way Kallavan is stronger than Yama.

Never doubt the man himself. He is about to beat Robadon.

 

[Shadowlord123]

SIU can make Kallavan as strong as he wants because of that buff he got against Lyborick but we don't know enough to put him far above CC. We have seen so many powerful High Rankers. I have no reason to think that he doesn't get no diffed by Dumas as of now.

He was smacking Lyborick around using only basic attacks. Imagine if he used top-tier skills like Big Bomber or, even worse, Atomic Explosion. Boosted Kallavan vs a normal CC Tier doesn't run past low diff unless Kallavan has a really shitty match-up. He's much stronger than them now.

I do agree that Dumas still beats him quite easily (although I don't think it's a no diff), but Dumas is most likely fucking everyone here. Don't see what's the point of bringing him up.